Historic District Commission
Regular MeetingChapel Hill, NC · July 13, 2021
Minutes
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Minutes
Chair David Schwartz Josh Gurlitz
Vice-Chair Duncan Lascelles Nancy McCormick
Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy Anne Perl De Pal
Chris Berndt Polly Van de Velde
Brian Daniels
Tuesday, July 13, 2021 5:30 PM Virtual Meeting
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Items may be continued to the Historic District Commission -
Special Meeting on July 20, 2021
Opening
Roll Call
Staff present: Anya Grahn, Staff Liaison to the Commission, Brian Ferrell,
Counsel to the Commission
Present 9 - Chair David Schwartz, Vice-Chair Duncan Lascelles,
Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Christine Berndt, Brian
Daniels , Josh Gurlitz, Nancy McCormick, Anne Perl De
Pal , and Polly Van de Velde
Commission Chair reads public charge
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Approval of Agenda
A motion was made by McCormick, seconded by Perl de Pal, to approve the
agenda. The motion carried with a unanimous vote.
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Administrative Approvals
1. Administrative Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) Approvals [21-0615]
Grahn explained recent administrative approvals of minor work at 203 Battle
Lane.
Announcements
Council Member Amy Ryan
Council person Ryan thanked the Commission for their time and expertise. She
spoke to the Commission about her experience serving as chair of the Planning
Commission and encouraged commissioners to serve as officers.
New Commissioners Berndt and Daniels introduced themselves.
Petitions
Approval of Minutes
2. June 10, 2021 Meeting Minutes [21-0616]
Commissioners Berndt and Daniels requested to be recused as they had not
attended the prior meeting. The Commission approved their recusal.
A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by Perl de Pal, to approve the June
10, 2021 Meeting Minutes. The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
Aye: 6 - Chair David Schwartz, Vice-Chair Duncan Lascelles, Deputy
Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Josh Gurlitz, Nancy McCormick,
and Anne Perl De Pal
Excused: 1 - Polly Van de Velde
Recused: 2 - Christine Berndt, and Brian Daniels
Continue to July 20, 2021
3. Historic District Design Principles & Standards - Photo [21-0493]
Replacement
referred.to the Historic District Commission due back on 7/20/2021
4. Revisions to Historic District Commission Rules of Procedure [21-0373]
referred.to the Historic District Commission due back on 7/20/2021
Consent Agenda
5. 514 E. Rosemary Street [21-0617]
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Commissioner Perl de Pal requested that this item be removed from the
consent agenda. She was interested in learning more about the noise volume
of generators and ensuring that the landscape buffer is sufficient. She
encouraged the applicant to stake the property prior to installing the fence to
ensure the fence is on the property line. Chair Schwartz was interested in
learning more from the applicant about how the fence and its dimensions are
congruous with the historic district.
A motion was made by Schwartz, seconded by Gurlitz, to move the project to
the New Business section of the agenda. The motion carried by a unanimous
vote.
Aye: 8 - Chair David Schwartz, Vice-Chair Duncan Lascelles, Deputy
Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Christine Berndt, Brian Daniels ,
Josh Gurlitz, Nancy McCormick, and Anne Perl De Pal
Excused: 1 - Polly Van de Velde
Old Business
6. 510 Hooper Lane [21-0495]
Commissioners Berndt and Daniels requested to be recused as they had not
attended the prior meeting. The Commission confirmed.
Grahn explained the application had been reviewed by the Commission at its
May and June meetings. Commissioner McCormick disclosed she had
received an email from Susan Smith after the last meeting, and the email did
not influence her decision. Murphy explained he had emailed preservation
consultant Heather Slane about red brick; however, their email conversation
did not impact his decision. Commissioners Murphy, McCormick, and Perl de
Pal disclosed they had visited the site and discussed their observations.
Commissioner Van de Velde joined the meeting at 6:00pm.
LeAnn Nease Brown, counsel to the applicant, summarized the evidence
provided in the application. She explained the property owners were
interested in restoring the six-inch fieldstone wall in its original location. She
clarified that the applicant had withdrawn their requests for covering the brick
house with a limestone wash and installing a metal railing. The applicant had
heard the Commission's concerns for the use of Chapel Hill grit across the
front of the property, and they proposed shielding the new retaining wall with
vegetation.
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She described the need for the retaining wall to provide support along Hooper
Lane and address drainage. The owners had capped the wall with brick and
the property owner was willing to use landscaping to minimize the view of the
wall from Hooper Lane. They proposed planting boxwoods for this purpose.
She explained that the materials of the retaining wall, with the exception of the
brick cap, were not typical for the historic district.
Brown discussed that the property owners had selected the brick material to
coordinate with the brick edging along the driveway. She stressed that in the
absence of evidence that an item had been approved by a former
Commission, the Commission should assume that items in existence for a
number of years have been approved. She pointed out that staff had found
permits that the work had received a Certificate of Appropriateness. Brown
explained that 'red brick' was not specifically defined in the standards or
ordinance and the Commission needed to clarify whether the intent was the
color or material of the brick. She described the physical components,
including the amount of magnesium in the clay and its baking time, that gave
red brick its appearance. She stated that the brick replaced a previous slate
sidewalk that was in poor condition and did not have a historical relationship
to the house.
The Commission discussed the relationship of the low retaining wall, Chapel
Hill grit, and low stone wall at the front of the property. Brown explained that
the applicant was willing to reconstruct the six-inch-tall fieldstone wall three
feet six inches from the retaining wall to allow for vegetation. There was
interest in ensuring that the stone and brick walls were not built in the
right-of-way. They considered whether dogwood or lirope was more
appropriate to shield the appearance of the retaining wall from Hooper Lane.
The Commission considered the color of the brick. They considered whether
a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) had been approved for the brick
edging on the driveway. Brown pointed out that in the absence of evidence
that work was completed without a COA, the Commission should assume a
COA had been approved. She stated that Bruno Carvalheiro had presented
Google Maps and GIS images at the last meeting showing the timing of the
brick edging, which corresponded with the COA documents staff had shared
with the applicant. Grahn clarified that the documents provided were from the
Town's electronic files and she had not found evidence of a signed copy of
the COA placard in the electronic files. Brown reiterated that the property
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owner had chosen a brick that was the closest match she could find to the
brick driveway edging.
Brown and the Commission discussed the proposed landscaping. The
applicant committed to the plans provided and consented to a condition of
approval that landscaping would be used to screen the retaining wall. The
Commission discussed whether Chapel Hill grit along the roadway was
congruous with the historic district. They considered whether the work
complied with the Design Standards and discussed the standards' language
around thirty-inch-tall walls, the stucco finish of the retaining wall, and red
brick. Commissioners spoke to the materiality and color of red brick and how
the Commission could ensure proposed red brick materials were consistent
with the Standards and congruous with the historic districts. Some expressed
concern about the color and thick mortar joints of the brick used to construct
the landscape steps. Brown clarified that the stone wall along the street
would be rebuilt using salvaged stones.
A motion was made by Schwartz, seconded by Van de Velde, to approve the
COA for the reconstruction of the fieldstone wall using a dry stack method and
mortar joints, the removal of Chapel Hill grit between the street and retaining
wall, and the planting of boxwoods between the stone wall and the retaining
wall. The motion carried with a unanimous vote.
A motion was made by Lascelles, seconded by Van de Velde, to approve the
COA for the construction of the retaining wall and its materials as outlined in
the application. The motion passed with a vote of 4 to 3.
Aye: 4 - Vice-Chair Duncan Lascelles, Josh Gurlitz, Nancy
McCormick, and Polly Van de Velde
Nay: 3 - Chair David Schwartz, Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, and
Anne Perl De Pal
Recused: 2 - Christine Berndt, and Brian Daniels
7. 609 North Street [21-0496]
Grahn explained the applicant proposed to renovate the historic Dr. Coker
House. As part of the work, the applicant will construct a rear addition on the
northeast corner of the house, reconstruct a carriage house, and make site
improvements.
Commissioner Berndt disclosed she visited the site from the public
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right-of-way and expressed concerns about the maintenance of the public
park, "The Rocks." Schwartz disclosed that he did not visit the site but had
been to the property on numerous occasions, and Perl de Pal stated she was
also familiar with the property and public park.
Susan Allison stated she had the property under contract to purchase. She
introduced members of her design team and expressed her interest in being a
steward of the property.
Fred Belledin, architect, presented illustrated site plans and discussed the
design approach to locate improvements in areas that were previously
disturbed. He pointed out that driveway improvements would be made in an
area of a previous farm driveway and the addition would be constructed in a
service area. Belledin presented historic photographs of the site and spoke to
reconstructing an arbor within its original footprint. He also described how
Preservation North Carolina's easement on the property had informed design
decisions, and he requested the Commission to amend the Findings of Fact to
clarify the scope of work. He explained that the design team had not finalized
driveway materials, and he requested the Commission consider a condition of
approval allowing staff to administratively approve the final material selection.
He also spoke to repairs that needed to be made, including spot pointing
fieldstone walls, repairing and restoring wood trim and eaves, and patching
damaged cementitious stucco.
Belledin discussed the need to rebuild the carriage house due to its poor
structural condition. He stated that the carriage house would be expanded
slightly as part of the reconstruction to allow for contemporary vehicles.
Windows and doors on the carriage house would be designed to complement
the historic house.
The architect also described the location and design of the addition to match
the scale of the historic house. He pointed out the hyphen connector
proposed to help differentiate the addition from the original structure.
Myrick Howard, President of Preservation North Carolina, explained that his
organization held a preservation easement on the Coker House that
encumbers the interior and exterior of the house, as well as significant
landscape elements. He spoke of his review of the plans and of working with
the team to ensure that the proposed work was consistent with the easement.
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The Commission discussed changes to the site plan. There were concerns
that the expanded parking area would impact the oak tree, and the applicant
described the need to realign the parking as the driveway would no longer be
a loop. The Commission and applicant discussed the stone walkways and
patios, window design of the garage doors, the driveway materials and
proposed stone edging, as well as the realignment of the driveway. The
applicant described the history of the carriage house, which they found was
constructed after the 1920s.
The applicant presented elevation drawings of the proposed addition and
hyphen. They discussed the roof form, materials, and asymmetrical
fenestration pattern of the master bedroom.
The Commission and Howard clarified that the preservation easement was
more restrictive than the Design Standards.
Commissioners expressed concern for the front entrance and expanding the
parking in the front. Some found reducing the parking area would better
protect the tree. Commissioner Perl De Pal asked for greater clarity in the
preservation techniques proposed and construction documentation verifying
the accurate reconstruction of wood windows. Howard explained Preservation
North Carolina's role in ensuring accurate reconstructions and stated that the
Commission was limited to finding that the proposed changes were not
incongruous with the district.
A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by Daniels, to approve the
Certificate of Appropriateness application with a condition of approval that the
applicant return to town staff for review of the driveway materials. The motion
carried by a unanimous vote.
Commissioner Berndt asked that the Commission request information from
UNC Botanical Gardens about maintaining and upgrading the public park
easement for The Rocks.
8. 6 Cobb Terrace [21-0497]
Grahn explained that the applicant proposed to install a custom metal fence
with decorative posts featuring Arts and Crafts-style finials. The fence would
be secured to the fieldstone wall.
Commissioners Berndt, Van de Velde, and Daniels disclosed they had each
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driven the Cobb Terrace Loop and noted their observations.
Melissa McCullough, property owner, presented historic photos of the
property and described its history. She shared aerial photographs of the
property and pointed out its property lines, sensitive planting areas, and a
historic walking path. She discussed how she found the project to comply
with the Design Standards, and she presented photos of fences within the
historic district and in the neighborhood.
The Commission discussed the height of the proposed fence and how it
would intersect with the house. They spoke to the uniqueness of the site in
that the house sat above the street and did not have a backyard as Cobb
Terrace wrapped around the east and west sides of the property. They
considered the Design Standards state that fences should generally be no
more than 30 inches in height, and Commissioner Gurlitz summarized how the
Design Standards committee had determined this as an appropriate fence
height to maintain the sense of transparency in the historic district. Some
commissioners found that the proposed fence design was very transparent.
There were concerns that approving the fence would set a precedent of
allowing fences driven by personal circumstances rather than the Design
Standards. Others found there should be some flexibility to consider practical
and functional solutions.
Some commissioners requested that the applicant consider relocating the
fence to the side yard due to the prominence of a front yard fence, its required
height, and its relationship to the house. Some expressed concern about the
proposed height of the gate and its need for a variance.
The Commission continued the item to the July 20, 2021 meeting.
New Business
9. 104 N. Boundary Street [21-0624]
The Commission continued this item to the July 20, 2021 meeting.
10. 214 Glenburnie Street [21-0625]
The Commission continued this item to the July 20, 2021 meeting.
11. 715 Gimghoul Road [21-0626]
Grahn explained that applicant proposed to modify an existing driveway,
construct a bluestone patio, and repair the existing brick retaining wall and
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steps.
Commissioner Perl de Pal stated she had visited the site and spoken to the
owner about the driveway. Commissioner Murphy disclosed he was familiar
with the property and had visited the house in the past. Commissioner Burndt
had also visited the site.
David Swanson, landscape architect, presented a site plan and described the
existing conditions. He explained the proposed driveway improvements would
allow parking for a second car. He clarified that the driveway was not shared
with the neighbor, but that the two driveways did share an apron at the street.
He spoke of design challenges with replacing the brick driveway and tying it
into the neighbor's concrete paver driveway.
The Commission and Swanson discussed the use of red brick. Swanson
explained the brick-making process, including how the color of clay and
baking period determined the appearance of baked bricks. He stated that
flashed bricks were commonly used in Chapel Hill, at the UNC campus, and
throughout the historic district.
The Commission discussed whether the neighbor would allow for replacement
of the concrete apron connecting the two driveways. Swanson described the
edging treatment where the brick and concrete pavers intersected. They
considered the relocation of the brick retaining wall at the front of the
driveway and whether the proposed herringbone pattern was consistent with
other brick driveways in the historic district. Some commissioners found that it
was more important to restore the red brick driveway than replace it with
contemporary materials relating to the neighbor's concrete paver driveway.
Swanson stressed that they were separate driveways that shared an apron.
A motion was made Lascelles, seconded by Gurlitz, to approve the Certificate
of Appropriateness application. The motion carried by a vote of 8 to 1.
Commissioner Burndt explained her concerns for the about the connection
where the two driveways connected along the road would no longer match
due to the changes in the material.
Aye: 8 - Chair David Schwartz, Vice-Chair Duncan Lascelles, Deputy
Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Brian Daniels , Josh Gurlitz, Nancy
McCormick, Anne Perl De Pal , and Polly Van de Velde
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Nay: 1 - Christine Berndt
Adjournment
Next Meeting - July 20, 2021
Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
Public Charge: The Advisory Body pledges its respect to the public. The
Body asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous
manner, both with the Body and with fellow members of the public.
Should any member of the Body or any member of the public fail to
observe this charge at any time, the Chair will ask the offending
person to leave the meeting until that individual regains personal
control. Should decorum fail to be restored, the Chair will recess the
meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on
the above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards
for background information on this Board.
Note
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Agenda
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Agenda
Chair David Schwartz Josh Gurlitz
Vice-Chair Duncan Lascelles Nancy McCormick
Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy Anne Perl De Pal
Chris Berndt Polly Van de Velde
Brian Daniels
Tuesday, July 13, 2021 5:30 PM Virtual Meeting
Virtual Meeting Notification
Items may be continued to the Historic District Commission -
Special Meeting on July 20, 2021
Opening
Roll Call
Commission Chair reads public charge
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Approval of Agenda
Administrative Approvals
1. Administrative Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) [21-0615]
Approvals
Attachments: COA Approval Report
Announcements
Council Member Amy Ryan
Petitions
Approval of Minutes
2. June 10, 2021 Meeting Minutes [21-0616]
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Attachments: June 10, 2021 - Draft Meeting Minutes
Continue to July 20, 2021
3. Historic District Design Principles & Standards - Photo [21-0493]
Replacement
Attachments: Staff Memo
Commissioner Josh Gurlitz Edits
Commissioner Nancy McCormick Edits
Chair Schwartz Edits
4. Revisions to Historic District Commission Rules of [21-0373]
Procedure
Attachments: Staff Memo
Draft Rules of Procedure
Consent Agenda
5. 514 E. Rosemary Street [21-0617]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials
Old Business
6. 510 Hooper Lane [21-0495]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Revised Application Materials
Property Owner's Presentation - 6.10.2021
Applicant Presentation - 6.10.2021
Supplemental Materials
7. 609 North Street [21-0496]
Attachments: Staff Memo
COA Application
Application Materials
8. 6 Cobb Terrace [21-0497]
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Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials
New Business
9. 104 N. Boundary Street [21-0624]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials
10. 214 Glenburnie Street [21-0625]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials - Part I
Application Materials - Part II
11. 715 Gimghoul Road [21-0626]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials
Adjournment
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Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
Public Charge: The Advisory Body pledges its respect to the public. The Body
asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous manner, both
with the Body and with fellow members of the public. Should any member of the
Body or any member of the public fail to observe this charge at any time, the
Chair will ask the offending person to leave the meeting until that individual
regains personal control. Should decorum fail to be restored, the Chair will
recess the meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on the
above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards for
background information on this Board.
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