Historic District Commission
Regular MeetingChapel Hill, NC · May 9, 2023
Minutes
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Minutes
Chair Sean Murphy Josh Gurlitz
Vice-Chair Duncan Lascelles Nancy McCormick
Deputy Vice-Chair Polly van de Velde Anne Perl De Pal
Michael Booth David Schwartz
Brian Daniels
Tuesday, May 9, 2023 6:30 PM RM 110 | Council Chamber
Language Access Statement
Opening
Roll Call
Anya Grahn-Federmack, Staff Liaison, Katherine Shore, Planning Staff, and
Kevin Hornik, Counsel to the Commission
Present 9 - Chair Sean Murphy, Vice-Chair Duncan Lascelles,
Deputy Vice-Chair Polly van de Velde, Michael Booth,
Chair Brian Daniels , Josh Gurlitz, Deputy Vice-Chair
Nancy McCormick, Anne Perl De Pal , and David
Schwartz
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Commission Chair Reads the Public Charge
Approval of Agenda
A motion was made by Lascelles, seconded by Daniels, to hear item #9-306
Ransom before #8-Housing Choices Text Amendments and remove the closed
session from the agenda. The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
Announcements
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McCormick asked the Commission to determine whether they would take the month
of July or August off. The commission agreed to make that determination via email.
McCormick also informed the Commission that the Council had adopted the
proclamation declaring May as Historic Preservation Month. The Commission was
working with Town Staff to promote different history- and preservation-related
events. Grahn-Federmack committed to sharing links to these when they were
made available to her.
Petitions
Approval of Minutes
1. March 23, 2023 Action Minutes [23-0364]
A motion was made by van de Velde, seconded by Gurltiz, to approve the
March 23, 2023 and April 11, 2023 meeting minutes. The motion carried by a
unanimous vote.
2. April 11, 2023 Action Minutes [23-0365]
A motion was made by van de Velde, seconded by Gurltiz, to approve the
March 23, 2023 and April 11, 2023 meeting minutes. The motion carried by a
unanimous vote.
Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews
3. Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews [23-0366]
There were no questions or discussion about Commissioners van de Velde
and Gurlitz that had applied to continue to serve on the Historic District
Commission (HDC).
The Commission interviewed Rebecca Rogers. Rogers spoke of recently
graduating from the People's Academy and her interest in serving on an
advisory board. She described her experience working to preserve a national
heritage area and historic church in Augusta, Georgia. She discussed
returning to her hometown of Chapel Hill after retiring and the changes she
has noticed since her childhood. She considered the challenges faced by the
Commission, including modern developments along Rosemary Street adjacent
to the historic district. She was interested in preserving the character of the
districts to the extent that its reasonable.
The Commission continued their discussion of applicants to the end of the
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meeting.
Information
4. Administrative Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) Approvals & [23-0367]
Maintenance Memos
Continuations
5. 223 E. Rosemary Street [23-0368]
A motion was made by van de Velde, seconded by Perl de Pal, to continue
the item to the June 13, 2023 meeting. The motion passed with a unanimous
vote.
Consent
6. 304 E. Franklin Street [23-0369]
approved.
7. 403 McCauley Street [23-0370]
A motion was made by Gurlitz, seconded by van de Velde, that the
applications on the consent agenda were not incongruous with the special
character of the district and to grant the Certificate of Appropriateness (COA).
The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
Text Amendments
8. Housing Choices for a Complete Community Land Use [23-0371]
Management Ordinance (LUMO) Text Amendments
Hornik explained that the Commission did not have a formal role in the text
amendment process. He stated that the staff was providing this as an
informational presentation at the request of the Commission. The state
statutes require that the Planning Commission make a formal recommendation
to the Council; however, the Historic District Commission does not have the
same requirements.
Grahn-Federmack presented an overview of the Housing Choices text
amendments. She explained that the project was in response to a Council
petition requesting a range of housing types while they waited for the Land
Use Management Ordinance (LUMO) rewrite project to be completed. The
Projected Housing Needs study and Complete Communities Strategy further
supported the need for a range of housing types. She presented the project
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timeline and shared dates for upcoming Planning Commission and Town
Council meetings. She described how the initial proposal presented to the
Town Council in January 2023 had evolved based on staff research and
public feedback. Grahn-Federmack explained how zoning could not address
concerns related to student renters, deter out-of-town investors, or ensure
units met certain price points. She presented the housing types included in
the current proposal and pointed out key changes to those uses that exist in
the current LUMO. She shared ways Commissioners and the public could
share their feedback with Council.
Grahn-Federmack and Tas Lagoo, Planning staff, responded to
Commissioner questions. Staff reiterated which housing types would be
allowed in those zoning districts within the historic district overlays and that
Missing Middle referred to the types of units, not the costs of housing units.
Commissioners asked about strategies to protect the historic districts, and
staff explained that uses within the historic districts are established by the
underlying zoning. There was interest in receiving more data and ensuring
that the proposal did not incentivize the demolition of historic buildings. Staff
and the commission discussed the challenges of restrictive covenants,
whether other municipalities had implemented similar reforms in their historic
districts, and potential outcomes of the text amendments.
The Chair asked for public input.
Evan Rodewald, Laurel Hill Neighborhood Association, appreciated the
excellent points and discussion that he found had been lacking from the
debate. He pointed out that the Future Land Use Map (FLUM) had stated
special consideration is needed for local and National Register historic
districts. He believed the proposed text amendments would incentivize
demolitions. He requested that the local and National Register historic
districts be exempted from the proposal.
Linda Brown, Franklin-Rosemary resident, strongly opposed changes to the
R-1 and R-2 zoning districts. She understood the need for affordable
housing, but recognized that the text amendments could not guarantee
affordable units. She described the developmental pressures on the historic
districts and the demands for student housing close to campus. She felt the
plan was dismissive to homeowners who had invested in preserving their
historic properties for future generations. She pointed out that her
neighborhood had a variety of house sizes, lot sizes, and renters and property
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owners. She feared the demolition of historic homes and incompatible infill
that would destroy the historic neighborhoods around UNC.
Tom Heffner, President of Preservation Chapel Hill, explained his
organization's concerns about the text amendments and urged that the local
and National Register districts be exempted. He found that multi-family
developments and increased density in the historic districts would alter the
character and compromise the historic integrity of the districts. He pointed out
that the LUMO established the historic districts and the importance of the
districts in preserving the special character of historic areas. He also stated
that the FLUM intentionally recommended allowing density near multi-modal
corridors to protect neighborhoods. He felt the proposal would negatively
impact property values and make it difficult to sell homes. He believed the
proposal needed careful consideration of alternatives and long-term impacts.
Christie Osborn, Westwood resident, wanted to see more tree protections.
She felt the proposal needed to be thought through further to prevent
tear-downs and she urged the town to do more to inform residents of this
proposal. She emphasized that historic houses could not be rebuilt.
Ronni Booth believed the problem should be solved methodically in phases to
identify unintended consequences. She advocated for a pilot program in
certain places and protection of those areas where there were unknowns.
She did not believe it was appropriate to experiment in the historic districts
and expressed her concerns about unintended consequences. She believed
the community should work together to find a better answer and slow down
the current approach.
The Chair requested comments from the Commissioners.
Van de Velde agreed with Ms. Booth's suggestions of a pilot program and
phased approach. She thought it would be helpful to introduce these
changes in an optimal neighborhood and exclude the historic districts.
Lascelles believed the historic districts define what Chapel Hill is, serving as
the gateway to town. The historic districts define what Chapel Hill is and its
attractiveness. He did not see how the text amendment would be compatible
with the beauty and objective of maintaining the historic districts. He was
disappointed that it took so long for the item to come before the Commission
when the historic districts would be significantly and adversely impacted. He
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was unsure that the Council cared about the historic districts. He did not
believe Missing Middle housing would be affordable. He reminded the
Commissioners that once a historic structure is lost, it could not be replaced.
He supported Mrs. Brown's comments that the neighborhoods already
allowed diverse housing types of offerings. He found that the text amendment
would incentivize developers and would not meet its goals of creating more
opportunities.
Booth stated that old houses and old trees could not be replaced and they
should be cherished. He feared destroying something that could not be
replaced.
Gurlitz expressed concern about not knowing the impacts and outcomes of
the proposal. He felt that there needed to be a review of the Historic District
Design Standards against the proposal to see how the Commission's
interpretation of the Historic District Design Standards would apply to new
housing types. He stated that the Commission may not have a role in LUMO
text amendments, but they do have a role in applying the congruity standards
in the districts before changes are made.
Daniels also recommended exempting the historic districts. He felt that some
solutions could likely apply to Chapel Hill more broadly; however, the
challenge is that the historic districts are adjacent to campus and diverse
housing in those neighborhoods is not an economic reality. He recognized
the demands of student housing development.
Van de Velde found that the Town should not be providing student housing.
She felt that parking requirements for accessory apartments incentivized
student housing with one parking space per bedroom.
McCormick shared the others' concerns and discussed the disparities
between the neighborhood conservation districts (NCDs) and National
Register and local historic districts.
Schwartz found the premise of these efforts questionable. He felt that the
Town already has a diverse mix of housing types in areas like Southern
Village and Meadowmont. He found it concerning that the Town did not take
steps to rezone areas in the past that would encourage a range of housing
types and now asked existing neighborhoods to bear the burden of more
density. He pointed out that the FLUM's focus areas were intended to allow
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density in specific locations in order to protect established neighborhoods.
He believed special consideration of historic districts was necessary to
guarantee the continued preservation of local and National Register districts.
He had not heard from staff that there was a plan for achieving the goal of
preserving neighborhoods. He found the text amendments were premature
and would undermine the character of the historic districts. He also thought
that the Commission should recommend to Council that the historic districts
be exempted until there is a set of tools to ensure the text amendments would
not incentivize demolition of historic structures.
Perl de Pal agreed with the others. She believed Design Standards should
be established prior to adopting the text amendments. She found that Chapel
Hill is defined by its history and that history could not be recreated. She
expressed concerns about parking, tree canopy, impervious surface, and
storm water. She thought the Town needed to determine what is needed to
be inclusive and diverse. She stated that the predominate reason for the
housing crisis was the cost of land, and land expenses led to greater number
of units. She believed core data was needed and encouraged the Council to
be at the forefront of the issue by working with local groups to develop a new
initiative. She wanted more time and data.
Van de Velde stated that the Blue Hill district had been rushed with very few
limitations on development.
Murphy found there needed to be more information demonstrating the text
amendment would not lead to significant teardowns and impacts to the historic
districts. He felt special considerations were needed for the historic districts.
He pointed out that where Missing Middle housing reforms had been
implemented, there were lawsuits and articles about unintended
consequences. He recommended the Town pause, do more research, and
determine what other municipalities' unintended consequences are so they
could be avoided in Chapel Hill. He stated that Northside had seen
demolitions because of unintended consequences that could have been
prevented.
Schwartz made a motion to authorize the chair to craft a statement on behalf
of the Commission requesting that Council exempt the historic districts from
the proposed text amendments and that the Chair or his designee deliver the
statement at the May 24, 2023 meeting. Murphy requested that a committee
help him write such as statement, and the motion failed for lack of second.
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The Commission discussed the process for crafting a statement and its
content.
A motion was made by Schwartz, seconded by van de Velde, for the
Commission to authorize the chair to form a committee to prepare a statement
recommending to the Council that the proposed text amendments not be
applied to the historic districts at this time and that the Chair arrange for the
statement to be presented to the Town Council at the May 24, 2023,
meeting.The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
Schwartz, Daniels, and Lascelles volunteered to form a committee to aid
Murphy.
New Business
9. 306 Ransom Street [23-0372]
Noah Kilmer, landscape designer, presented historic photographs of the
house. He explained that the house had a major interior and exterior
renovation and the property owners were now focusing on landscape
improvements. He shared site plans and explained they planned to replace
existing concrete paths with Chapel Hill grit. New bluestone stepping stone
pathways would be added to the front and back yard. They also proposed
resurfacing the existing wood decks with a modified oak material and
changing the orientation of deck steps.
Commissioners expressed appreciation for the proposed work and
landscaping solutions.
A motion was made by Daniels, seconded by Perl de Pal, that the application
was not incongruous with the special character of the district and to grant the
Certificate of Appropriateness (COA). The motion carried by a unanimous
vote.
Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews [23-0366]
A motion was made by Daniels, seconded by Perl de Pal to recommend
Council to reappoint van de Velde and Gurlitz to the Commission. The motion
passed by a unanimous vote.
Aye: 7 - Chair Sean Murphy, Vice-Chair Duncan Lascelles, Michael
Booth, Chair Brian Daniels , Deputy Vice-Chair Nancy
McCormick, Anne Perl De Pal , and David Schwartz
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Recused: 2 - Deputy Vice-Chair Polly van de Velde, and Josh Gurlitz
A motion was made by Schwartz, seconded by van de Velde, to forward a
positive recommendation to Council for the appointment of Rebecca Rogers.
The motion passed with a unanimous vote.
The Commission chose not to take action on Nikkima Santos's application as
she was not in attendance.
Closed Session
Adjournment
Next Meeting - June 13, 2023
Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
Public Charge: The Advisory Body pledges its respect to the public. The
Body asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous
manner, both with the Body and with fellow members of the public.
Should any member of the Body or any member of the public fail to
observe this charge at any time, the Chair will ask the offending
person to leave the meeting until that individual regains personal
control. Should decorum fail to be restored, the Chair will recess the
meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on
the above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards
for background information on this Board.
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Agenda
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Agenda
Chair Sean Murphy Josh Gurlitz
Vice-Chair Duncan Lascelles Nancy McCormick
Deputy Vice-Chair Polly van de Velde Anne Perl De Pal
Michael Booth David Schwartz
Brian Daniels
Tuesday, May 9, 2023 6:30 PM RM 110 | Council Chamber
Language Access Statement
Opening
Roll Call
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Commission Chair Reads the Public Charge
Approval of Agenda
Announcements
Petitions
Approval of Minutes
1. March 23, 2023 Action Minutes [23-0364]
Attachments: 3.23.2023 HDC Minutes
http://www.townofchapelhill.org Page 1 of 3 Printed on 5/2/2023
Historic District Commission Meeting Agenda May 9, 2023
2. April 11, 2023 Action Minutes [23-0365]
Attachments: April 11, 2023 Action Minutes
Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews
3. Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews [23-0366]
Attachments: Staff Memo and Candidate Applications
Information
4. Administrative Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) [23-0367]
Approvals & Maintenance Memos
Attachments: COA Approval Report and Maintenance
Memos - 5.9.2023
Continuations
5. 223 E. Rosemary Street [23-0368]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Consent
6. 304 E. Franklin Street [23-0369]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials
7. 403 McCauley Street [23-0370]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials
Text Amendments
8. Housing Choices for a Complete Community Land Use [23-0371]
Management Ordinance (LUMO) Text Amendments
Attachments: Staff Memo
Draft Staff Presentation
http://www.townofchapelhill.org Page 2 of 3 Printed on 5/2/2023
Historic District Commission Meeting Agenda May 9, 2023
New Business
9. 306 Ransom Street [23-0372]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Application Materials
Closed Session
Adjournment
Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
Public Charge: The Advisory Body pledges its respect to the public. The Body
asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous manner, both
with the Body and with fellow members of the public. Should any member of the
Body or any member of the public fail to observe this charge at any time, the
Chair will ask the offending person to leave the meeting until that individual
regains personal control. Should decorum fail to be restored, the Chair will
recess the meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on the
above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards for
background information on this Board.
http://www.townofchapelhill.org Page 3 of 3 Printed on 5/2/2023
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