Planning Board Agendas and Minutes
Regular MeetingCohoes, NY · September 10, 2012
Minutes
MINUTES OF THE COHOES PLANNING BOARD MEETING HELD ON SEPTEMBER
10, 2012 AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COMMON COUNCIL CHAMBERS OF CITY HALL
MEMBERS PRESENT: Vice-Chairman Clarence Badgley
Mr. Edward Carboni
Chairman Joseph Moloughney
Mr. Mark DeFruscio
Ms. Sharon Gariepy
ABSENT: Mr. Jake Dumesnil
CONSIDERATION OF THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 27th, 2012 MEETING
Member Carboni moved to approve the minutes. Vice Chairman Badgley seconded the motion
which passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Leo Badgley X
Edward Carboni X
Jake Dumesnil Non-Voting
Sharon Gariepy X
Mark DeFruscio X
CONSIDERATION OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AT 480 COLUMBIA STREET
Chuck Marshall represented Stewarts’ request for site plan approval of a new building and a
neighboring carwash operated by Mike Alonzo. Mr. Marshall explained that the existing store
would remain open during construction of the new facility. After completion Stewarts would
demolish the existing store and construct a larger gas bay. At the same time, Mr. Alonzo would
construct a three bay carwash with a standalone vacuum.
The proposal rectifies several issues with the site. First, the curb cut will match the CVS entrance
across Columbia Street. Second, Stewarts will install a sidewalk along Columbia Street in
deference to the City’s long term plans for the Western Gateway corridor. Third, Stormwater will
be treated underground, eliminating the need for a detention pond on site. Finally, the contiguous
buildings and landscaping will share not only exterior finishes, but the same lighting, exterior
fencing and flowers, trees and shrubs. Elevations were provided in the packets showing the same
beige stone with white columns and wainscoting along the bottom of the exterior walls.
Member Carboni asked if Stewarts would install a sidewalk on Monroe Street. Mr. Marshall
indicated that would be possible if required by the Board and neighbors. He pointed out that the
Columbia Street sidewalk would be the only one at this time; however it serves those interested in
walking to the store or catching the bus.
Mr. Marshall also explained the new traffic configuration created to facilitate deliveries to the
store. Most store deliveries last 45 minutes. Separate deliveries are made by companies such as
Pepsi, Frito Lay and other name brands. The new layout permits trucks to pull in to the rear of the
store, continue to drive around the building to exit rather than backing up. This is safer and more
efficient than the current configuration.
Mr. Marshall also showed the Board a diagram of the sounds created by the proposed carwash with
the vacuum on and the bay doors open. After review the proposal was amended to place the
vacuum on the west end of the property rather than the south end. As a result the vacuum will
sound like a regular conversation to neighbors adjacent to the project.
Member Carboni asked about the style of lighting. Mr. Marshall described the lights as six
freestanding poles with downcast LED lights shown on sheet 2 of the plans. Stewarts replaced the
rear light with a similar product in response to a neighbor’s complaint that the light shone into his
home.
Member Carboni asked about the display prices on the canopy. He wanted to see a sign plan with
the proposal. Mr. Marshall thought the sign information was included on the site details, but
agreed to ensure that the submission reflects a clear sign plan. Stewarts would place gas prices on
the canopy just like the existing signage. The carwash would have a non-illuminated monument
sign which would also be submitted for next month’s meeting.
Chairman Moloughney had several comments and requests concerning the project. First he
appreciated that the applicant shortened the St Agnes Highway entrance by 14’ to prevent vehicles
from traveling against traffic in crossing St Agnes Highway to enter the south bound lane. Second,
he pointed out that the Cohoes Code provides specific decibel limitations. He asked that the
applicant address these limitations and provide some certification that the proposal will meet the
code. If the project cannot meet the decibel levels he would like to know how the applicant
proposes mitigating the noise level. Third he is looking for a subdivision approval and use
variance on the project as well. Finally he questioned the consequence of selling off the businesses
separately in the future.
Mr. Marshall agreed to provide more detailed decibel information. He used operating specs to
determine decibels for this meeting. However, he wasn’t certain what “certification” is required
by the code. Chairman Molougney conceded that the code is vague; he asked that the applicant
certify either that the decibel levels will meet the code or that specific mitigation efforts will
reduce the impact on neighboring properties.
Mr. Marshall also indicated that the project will include stormwater easements that will preserve
the cooperative nature of the project even if the parcels are sold off. Chairman Moloughney added
that the stormwater maintenance agreement should also be filed.
Member Carboni asked the proposed hours of operation for the carwash. Mr. Marshall replied that
the carwash would be open from 6am to 12midnight. Stewarts operates from 4:30am to midnight.
Chairman Moloughneu explained that the Planning Board can only declare an intent to act as lead
agency due to SEQR regulations. However, he opened the floor to public comment in order to
facilitate dialogue and feedback. Next meeting the Planning Board can declare lead agency and
take a hard look at the SEQR issues. Then the Board can make a determination of significance.
Once SEQR closes the Boards can take action on the use variance, subdivision and site plan
review.
Joella Timberland of 6 Wilson Lane threatened to sell her home and move out of Cohoes if the
carwash is approved. She is not appeased by the new vacuum placement as it is still near her
property. She also asked about the noise nuisance of the carwash bays.
Mr. Marshall explained that the vacuum is 15’ to the closest decibel reading, making the noise
equivalent to that of a conversation to backyard neighbors. Mr. Marshall avers that the vacuums
are the noisiest part of the project. The garage bays with the doors open are 40’ to closest decibel
reading.
Mrs. Timberland countered that the applicant has not considered the noise made by a queue of cars
with radios blasting. Mr. Marshall explained that trucks passing on Columbia Street make more
noise. The carwash and vacuum last approximately 2-5 minutes maximum. He also argues that
the buildings will make a nicer gateway than the existing vacant lot which is adjacent to mostly
commercial uses.
Chairman Moloughney added that no development has zero impact. The Planning Board works at
reducing the impact. However, the property in this instance is most likely going to contain a
commercial use. The expense of managing the property and its location make it undesirable for a
residential home.
Charles Alonge appreciates Stewart’s responsiveness, but still does not approve of the carwash
plan. He wants more greenery along the back to buffer neighbors. Mr. Alonge asked that the
applicant provide a buffer of trees along the rear of the property. He also asked what fence is
proposed along the rear property line.
Mr. Marshall described a continuation of the existing 6’ wood stockade current buffering Stewarts.
Mr. Alonge recalled that a previous approved project at that site promised an 8’ privacy fence
which would be preferable. Chairman Moloughney added that doing so would require a variance,
but would be wise if it assuages neighbors’ concerns.
Mr. Alonge also pointed out that the delivery trucks are the largest contributor to noise nuisance at
this time. He questioned whether the garage doors on the carwash would make the same noise as a
delivery truck closing its back door. Mr. Alonzo described the carwash doors as vinyl and plastic
that rolls up and shuts quietly.
Common Council Representative Diane Nolin commented that the Stewarts redevelopment is a
definite improvement to the St Agnes Highway entrance and the aesthetics of that corridor.
However, at the applicant’s suggestion she visited the Waterford carwash and was shocked by the
conditions. The building is in disrepair and the property is strewn with litter. As a result, she sees
the carwash proposal as a detriment to the neighborhood.
Mr. Carboni asked if the Waterford facility has a gas station, which Mr. Alonzo confirmed.
Member DeFruscio asked when that facility was built. Mr. Alonzo replied that it was built in 1980
and is due for a siding replacement which is scheduled for next year. Member Carboni asked
about the presence of property maintenance staff on the site. Mr. Alonzo explained that he
employs two property managers. Each site is visited twice a day for property maintenance.
Member Gariepy moved to approve the Planning Board’s intent to act as lead agency. Member
Carboni seconded the motion which passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Leo Badgley X
Edward Carboni X
Jake Dumesnil Non-Voting
Sharon Gariepy X
Mark DeFruscio X
Member DeFruscio moved to adjourn at 7:30pm. Member Carboni seconded the motion which
passed unanimously.
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