Planning Board Agendas and Minutes
Regular MeetingCohoes, NY · October 15, 2012
Minutes
MINUTES OF THE COHOES PLANNING BOARD MEETING HELD ON OCTOBER 15,
2012 AT 6:30 P.M. IN THE COMMON COUNCIL CHAMBERS OF CITY HALL
MEMBERS PRESENT: Vice-Chairman Clarence Badgley
Mr. Edward Carboni
Chairman Joseph Moloughney
Mr. Mark DeFruscio
Ms. Sharon Gariepy
ABSENT: Mr. Jake Dumesnil
CONSIDERATION OF THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 10th, 2012 MEETING
Member Gariepy pointed out Moloughney and Dianne (Nolin) were misspelled in the September
10th 2012 meeting minutes. Given those corrections, Member Carboni moved to approve the
minutes. Vice Chairman Badgley seconded the motion which passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Leo Badgley X
Edward Carboni X
Jake Dumesnil Non-Voting
Sharon Gariepy X
Mark DeFruscio X
CONSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A POOL AT 51 BAKER AVE
Mark Basile proposed installing a 33’ inground pool in the backyard of his home at 51 Baker
Avenue. The pool would exceed the required setbacks. Mr. Basile would install a gated fence the
same week. Member DeFruscio asked if the pool would have stairs at the end in addition to the
33’. Mr. Basile explained it’s a one piece structure that includes stairs. Member DeFruscio asked
where water would flow in the event of a leak and what is behind the applicant’s property. Mr.
Basile explained that the pool never exceeds 6’ deep as it isn’t a diving pool. Nine feet of the pool
remains at 3.5’ depth and the total water volume equals 11,000 gallons. However, behind the
home is an old garage converted from a barn.
Member DeFruscio moved to approve the special use permit. Member Gariepy seconded the
motion which passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Leo Badgley X
Edward Carboni X
Jake Dumesnil Non-Voting
Sharon Gariepy X
Mark DeFruscio X
CONSIDERATION OF A SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR 42 BEDFORD STREET
John Porcello of Venetto Services would like to purchase 42 Bedford Street and repurpose the
existing garages as a showroom for the bath fixtures the business installs. Member Carboni
clarified the location as south of Babe’s Diner, which Mr. Porcello confirmed.
Member Carboni also questioned parking requirements for the proposed use. Chairman
Moloughney asked the applicant for details on the business uses proposed. Mr. Porcello explained
that only 40-50% of sales derive from the showroom. The remaining sales are made in the field.
At least fifty percent of the use is as storage for goods. The other two bays would continue as
rental to the current tenants. The Code requires only one parking space per 2,000 sq ft for storage
or warehouse uses. As a result, Chairman Moloughney and the rest of the board determined the
project does not significantly change the property use as the existing tenants are commercial
entities using the premises for storage, retail and business purposes. In addition, the showroom
will have a low volume of retail traffic. The existing site has twelve parking spaces that should
accommodate the instant proposal.
Vice Chairman Badgley asked about the wooden shed behind the garages and what the applicant
proposes for the portion of property behind the garages. Mr. Porcello explained that the wooden
shed is in poor condition and the current owner has to remove it. If the sale proceeds Mr. Porcello
would clean and maintain the back slope. However he has no plans to use the land for the
business.
Chairman Moloughney asked if the applicant plans to replace the existing tenants of the two bay
garage. Mr. Porcello does not have any immediate plan to replace the tenants. However, he
agreed to revisit the board for a site plan approval if the tenants or use of that structure changes.
Member DeFruscio asked about external lighting and hours of operation. Mr. Porcello would open
from 10am to 4pm six days a week. Therefore, lighting is unnecessary. Member DeFruscio asked
if the applicant would pave the parking lot, which Mr. Porcello confirmed. Member Carboni
questioned signage for the business on the property. Chairman Moloughney added that the
applicant would need to comply with the City’s Local Code on permitted signage.
Member Carboni moved to approve the application. Member Gariepy seconded the motion which
passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Leo Badgley X
Edward Carboni X
Jake Dumesnil Non-Voting
Sharon Gariepy X
Mark DeFruscio X
CONSIDERATION OF INTENT TO ACT AS SEQR LEAD AGENCY FOR 240 NORTH
MOHAWK STREET
Gerald Abdelnour owns property at 240 North Mohawk Street. Currently the property contains a
large brick principal structure and two garages along the southernmost portion of the parking lot.
Mr. Abdelnour proposes removing the two garages and placing a new metal structure for housing
his business offices on the same footprint. The tenant occupies most of the existing building and
has the capacity to expand. Mr. Abdelnour’s business is also expanding. Although he does not
have a customer base in Cohoes his nine local employees work out of offices in the principal
structure at this time. The remaining 30 employees are spread out around the country and work
out of Alaska, Pittsburgh, Anapolis, Boston, Bronx, etc.
Chairman Moloughney described the procedural requirements for the proposal. Mr. Abdelnour
seeks SEQR and site plan approval through the Planning Board and will require Historic Board
approval for the structure. Mr. Abdelnour will seek Historic Board approval. However, he added
that some confusion about required approvals stems from an Historic Board determination that his
property was out of the Historic District in November of 2006 when he sought approval for a
fence. Chairman Moloughney explained that the property is within the district boundaries shown
on the City’s zoning map.
Member Carboni asked about the building proposed. Mr. Abdelnour described it as the same
product used for the City’s new fire house. He proposes radiant heat in the flooring.
Common Council Ward Representative April Kennedy sought confirmation that the proposal will
preclude the use of Church Street for truck deliveries. Mr. Abdelnour explained that the slope of
land behind the proposed structure is such that he could not install a parking or loading area. He is
proposing installation of a wall as part of the project which would preclude ever filling in the rear
portion of the property to construct additional parking. He altered the proposal to include these
items in deference to the Councilwoman’s concerns as expressed a year ago when he brought a
conceptual plan to the City. He added that the road shown on the plans is his parking lot. Church
Street is on the other side of the alley.
Councilwoman Kennedy asked about the building’s appearance as several renditions were
submitted. Mr. Abdelnour explained that each rendering shows some different aspect of the
proposal. However, the visual rendering has landscaping against a brown building with a stone
base. Councilwoman Kennedy asked if there would be a second floor. Mr. Abdelnour described
the structure as 9’ ceilings for the first floor and dead space above. The structure is not sized
adequately for two stories.
Member DeFruscio moved to approve the intent to act as lead agency. Member Carboni seconded
the motion which passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Leo Badgley X
Edward Carboni X
Jake Dumesnil Non-Voting
Sharon Gariepy X
Mark DeFruscio X
CONSIDERATION OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AT 480 COLUMBIA STREET
Chuck Marshall represented Stewarts’ request for site plan approval of a new building and a
neighboring carwash operated by Mike Alonzo. In response to neighbor’s concerns, Stewart’s and
the Alonzos made several changes to buffer the residential properties from any noise nuisances.
The site plan shows an 8’ fence alongside a tree lined berm along the entire rear property line. A
row of trees also buffers neighbors from the commercial uses proposed. Stewarts intends to
preserve any existing trees on the vacant lot that aren’t in the line of construction.
In response to traffic concerns Stewarts lengthened the curb on the intersection by 15’ to prevent
cars from entering from Columbia Street across St Agnes Highway. Stewarts also agreed to install
a “No Left Turn” sign at the St Agnes Highway exit to discourage exiting the north bound lane of
St Agnes Highway. Vehicles will not be able to enter the facility from Monroe Street.
Furthermore, the Columbia Street entrance is directly across from the CVS entrance in response to
a Traffic Commission recommendation.
Stewarts is willing to reconfirm the permitted hours of operation as 5am to 11pm. In addition, all
deliveries will take place during those regular business hours. At this time tankers deliver in the
middle of the night due to space constraints in the parking lot. The new site plan can
accommodate tanker deliveries during regular business hours.
Member Gariepy questioned the Wever monument sign proposed. Member Carboni asked if it
will have internal lighting. Mike Alonzo intends to install exterior lighting for the sign. Mr.
Marshall added that the Cohoes City sign will remain on the property as well.
Member Carboni asked about installing a sidewalk on Monroe Street. Mr. Marshall expressed
concerns about the expense as the sidewalk on Columbia Street costs $35,000. Chairman
Moloughney added that the project does not impair pedestrian safety since the only entrances are
on Columbia Street and St Agnes Highway.
Chairman Moloughney covered procedural issues. The Planning Board needs to close SEQR
before addressing site plan review. Mr. Marshall seeks a preliminary approval since Stewarts
continues to work out stormwater system details with the review engineer.
Member Carboni asked whether the decibel levels meet the local code limitations. Councilwoman
Dianne Nolin averred that the minimum levels can’t be met at the lot lines. Chairman Moloughney
explained that the nuisance of a decibel level varies based on the frequency band of the noise
presented. In other words, a higher frequency band creates more of a nuisance than that of a lower
frequency band of the same number of decibels. Stewarts has presented the decibel levels on the
site plan. The instrument used to measure these decibels incorporates the frequency bands. In
addition, Stewarts’ efforts to attenuate the decibel levels can and should be taken into account. For
example, the berm, trees and fencing will mitigate the noise nuisance. Taken as a whole, these
measures seem to meet the local code. To further ensure compliance the Planning Board can
condition any final site plan approval on the guarantee that the project will not exceed the decibel
levels outlined in the City’s code.
Councilwoman Nolin also mentioned the Waterford car wash owned and operated by applicant
Wever Petroleum is in deplorable condition. Trash litters the property and the siding is rotting.
She has also visited several car washes in the area and did not find any in close proximity to an
upscale neighborhood such as Bristol Estates. Mr. Marshall pointed out that the Waterford
building has wood siding whereas the proposed carwash will have vinyl and stone facing instead of
wood. He also offered that any neighbors can contact him at Stewarts for any property
maintenance issues. He would call Mr. Alonzo personally. Mr. Alonzo explained that the
Waterford car wash has two self-serve bays whereas the instant proposal does not offer that type of
car wash. Instead it is two hands-free service areas. Customers remain in the car.
Chairman Moloughney revisited Mr. Alonzo’s statement from last meeting: Wever Petroleum has
two property maintenance workers who visit each site twice a day. He also pointed out that code
enforcement is responsible for ensuring compliance with the state’s property maintenance
standards. Furthermore, proximity to a residential neighborhood would likely increase notification
of any property maintenance issues.
Councilwoman Nolin then questioned the proximity of the driveway/parking area to the residential
neighborhood. However, Chairman Moloughney explained that the code does not delineate
proximity of parking to neighboring properties. Councilwoman Nolin pointed out that deliveries
are currently made as early as 4am. Mr. Marshall agreed that tankers have to deliver during the
night because the tanker truck cannot fit in the current parking lot configuration when customers
are also parked in the lot. However, he assured the Board that once the site plan changes are made
all deliveries will take place during regular business hours.
Board members questioned the number of deliveries made to the site. Stewarts makes a delivery
every three days. Specialty products – Pepsi, Coke, Frito Lay – make their own deliveries once a
week. The tanker truck would also deliver once a week.
Caroline Gurusz of 14 Stratford Court is more concerned with traffic patterns where Stewart’s exit
meets St Agnes Highway and Columbia Street. She has had several near misses from people
traveling that intersection. Mr. Marshall explained that the new plan extends the curb 15’. As a
result cars cannot cross Columbia Street AND St Agnes Highway to enter Stewarts.
Member Carboni moved to approve the Planning Board’s intent to act as lead agency. Member
DeFruscio seconded the motion which passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Leo Badgley X
Edward Carboni X
Jake Dumesnil Non-Voting
Sharon Gariepy X
Mark DeFruscio X
Member DeFruscio moved for a negative declaration finding for SEQR purposes. Vice Chairman
Badgley seconded the motion which passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Leo Badgley X
Edward Carboni X
Jake Dumesnil Non-Voting
Sharon Gariepy X
Mark DeFruscio X
Member Gariepy moved to approve the site plan preliminarily, conditioned on the following items:
1. Noise mitigation;
2. Site maintenance;
3. Hours of operation restricted to 6am-10pm for the car wash and 5am-11pm for Stewarts;
and
4. Deliveries restricted to regular business hours.
Member Carboni seconded the motion which passed unanimously.
YES NO
Joseph Moloughney X
Leo Badgley X
Edward Carboni X
Jake Dumesnil Non-Voting
Sharon Gariepy X
Mark DeFruscio X
Member DeFruscio moved to adjourn at 8:10pm. Member Carboni seconded the motion which
passed unanimously.
Please note the next meeting will take place November 19, 2012 due to a City holiday on the
regularly scheduled Planning Board meeting date.
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