Historic Preservation Commission Meeting
Regular MeetingEscondido, CA · August 5, 2014
Minutes
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CITY OF ESCONDIDO
MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE
ESCONDIDO HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
August 5, 2014
The meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission was called to order at
3:07 p.m. by Vice-chair Rea, in the City Council Chambers, 201 North Broadway,
Escondido, California.
Commissioners present: Commissioner Lee, Commissioner Rea, Commissioner
Breitenfeld, Commissioner O'Boyle, and Commissioner Spann.
Commissioners absent: Commissioner Danskin.
Staff present: Rozanne Cherry, Principal Planner; Paul Bingham, Assistant
Planner; and Ty Paulson, Minutes Clerk.
MINUTES:
Moved by Commissioner Spann, seconded by Commissioner Brietenfeld, to
approve the minutes of the June 3, 2014 meeting. Motion carried 4-0-1,
Commissioner Lee abstaining.
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS: Received.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS: None.
PUBLIC HEARINGS:
1. LOCAL REGISTER/MILLS ACT — CASE NO. HP 14-0002
REQUEST: Local Register Listing & Mills Act contract for Ralph Haver house
(built in 1978) in the OEN
LOCATION: 831 S. Broadway
Recommendation: Approval
Paul Bingham, Assistant Planner II, referenced the staff report and noted staff
recommended the Commission forward recommendations of approval to City
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Council for the Local Register listing, Mills Act contract request, and CEQA
exemption for the property located at 831 South Broadway.
ACTION:
Moved by Commissioner Spann, seconded by Commissioner Lee, to approve
staffs recommendation. Motion carried unanimously. (5-0)
2. MILLS ACT — CASE NO. HP 14-0001:
REQUEST: Mills Act contract for Local Register property in the OEN
LOCATION: 538 East 9 th Avenue
Recommendation: Approval
Paul Bingham, Assistant Planner II, referenced the staff report and noted staff
recommended the Commission forward recommendations of approval to City
Council for the Mills Act contract request, and CEQA exemption for the property
located at 538 East Ninth Avenue.
ACTION:
Moved by Commissioner Spann, seconded by Commissioner Lee, to approve
staffs recommendation. Motion carried unanimously. (5-0)
CURRENT BUSINESS:
1. DESIGN REVIEW — CASE NO. ADM 14-0126:
REQUEST: Approval of enclosed patio in the OEN built many years ago without
permits.
LOCATION: 119 West 7 th Avenue.
Recommendation: Conditional Approval
Paul Bingham, Assistant Planner II, referenced the staff report and provided a
brief background history for the subject property. He noted that this was not a
code enforcement case, noting that the applicant came to the City asking what
the approval process would consist of. Mr. Bingham indicated that the enclosed
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room was used as a family room and that it was not visible from the street. Staff
recommended approval with the condition that the wall of the family room be
modified to meet the sideyard setback.
Commissioner Spann asked if the posts depicted in the picture were made out of
block.
Carlos Bishop, Designer, replied in the affirmative and noted that there were
wood frames between the pillars.
Commissioner O'Boyle stated that she was impressed that the owners came to
the City to legalize this instead of being forced by Code Enforcement action.
ACTION:
Moved by Commissioner O'Boyle, seconded by Vice-chair Rea, to approve staffs
recommendation. Motion carried unanimously. (5-0)
2. DESIGN REVIEW — CASE NO. ADM 14-0048:
REQUEST: Consideration of revised design for replacement home in the OEN.
LOCATION: 220 West 10 th Avenue.
Recommendation: Approval.
Paul Bingham, Associated Planner, referenced the revised design and noted that
staff recommended approval of the revised design.
Vice-chair Rea expressed concern with the proposed gate being excessive for
the lot. She also felt the proposed residence should be located in the middle of
the lot, which would be similar to the previous residence.
Commissioner Spann questioned whether the gate would fit on the lot as
proposed. He asked if approving the subject request included approving the
details outlined in the drawing. Mrs. Cherry noted that staff would ensure that the
detail was included in the final plans.
Vice-chair Rea moved to approve staff's recommendation as presented with a
modification that the residence be located more in the center of the property.
Commissioner Lee was in favor of the proposed location for the residence due to
feeling it would provide for more useable yard.
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Commissioner O'Boyle suggested revising the motion to approve staff's
recommendation with direction to narrow the gate so as not to accommodate a
vehicle.
Commissioner Spann suggested approving staffs recommendation and letting
staff work with the applicant to incorporate the Commission's recommendations.
ACTION:
Moved by Vice-chair Rea, seconded by Commissioner Spann, to revise the
previous motion by approving staffs recommendation with the intent being for staff
to work with the applicant regarding the gate and ensuring the detail was
incorporated into the residence. Motion carried unanimously. (5-0)
3. DESIGN REVIEW — CASE NO. PHG 14-0020:
REQUEST: Receive input regarding proposal to demolish some adobe
structures on the Weir Brothers site and incorporate others into a 64-unit
affordable apartment complex.
LOCATION: 1556 South Escondido Boulevard
Jay Paul, Associated Planner, referenced the staff report and noted that staff
recommended the Commission review the proposal and provide
comment/recommendations regarding the appropriateness of the proposed
demolition of the existing adobe structures on the site and preservation and
integration of the adobe office into the project design.
Kent Trimble, representing Veterans Village of San Diego, provided the
background history for the subject property. He noted that the property was being
used as a drug and alcoholic treatment center for honorably discharged
Veterans. He stated that proposed project would transition the 44 units of
transitional housing into 64 permanent supportive housing 1-to 3- bedroom units.
He then provided an overview of the site plans.
Commissioner O'Boyle asked Mr. Trimble if they owned the two adjacent lots to
the south. Mr. Trimble replied in the negative.
Commissioner O'Boyle referenced the property on Escondido Boulevard
whereby a garage with a bronze statue was situated, feeling this might be a more
appropriate location for this project.
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local and the Weir brothers were local, and adobe was good for the environment.
She expressed her concern with the consultant's reports stating that due
diligence was preformed, noting her view that the property would probably meet
the criteria for local, State, and National registers. She stated that she supported
providing for the homeless and the Veterans but was opposed to impacting the
historical significance this property.
Commissioner Spann noted that subject adobe units were significantly unique
and should be retained. Commissioner Lee concurred.
Commissioner Brietenfeld was opposed to impacting the historical significance of
the subject adobe structures.
Vice-chairman Rea asked Mr. Trimble if any historic research had occurred
regarding the subject property. Mr. Trimble stated that approximately six years
ago they had approached the City to improve the adobe units behind the front
unit and were told the units were not historic. He noted that this was the first time
they had conducted a cultural resource study. He also explained that they were a
non-profit social service provider who had contracts with the VA.
Commissioner Brietenfeld asked Mr. Trimble if they were able to sell the subject
property. Mr. Trimble explained that the funds used to purchase the property
came from the VA and HUD, and as such, upon sale of the property 70% of the
funds would have to be returned to the VA and HUD.
Commissioner O'Boyle asked if the subject facility would provide for families,
noting her view that it did not have enough space for a tot lot. Mr. Trimble replied
in the affirmative.
Vice-Chair Rea stated that the subject property was a culturally significant unique
adobe complex, noting she was unaware of any others like it. She was opposed
to proposed design. She stated that she was in favor of providing for the
Veterans but also respected the City's cultural heritage, which the subject
property was a significant part of.
Vice-chair Rea and Mr. Trimble discussed the funding mechanisms for the
proposed project.
Commissioner Spann stated that the subject property was the most unique
adobe complex in the City and demolishing it was unacceptable.
Mr. Trimble questioned whether constructing on the community garden and only
removing Units 7-10 would be acceptable, thereby retaining the circular
apartments and front office.
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Vice-chair Rea stated that this would be more acceptable. She suggested
incorporating the adobe aspect into the new design.
Mr. Trimble stated that studies conducted by the VA had indicated that a new,
modern, clean design was the best therapeutic situation for homeless or low-
income veterans.
Commissioner O'Boyle expressed her sympathy for the veterans, noting her view
that the adobe units should be preserved. Vice-chairman Rea concurred.
Wendy Barker, Escondido, History Center Director, felt the property should
be preserved.
Commissioner Spann stated that his preference would be to preserve the
property, as it existed or at least to retain the front office and the adobe
structures in the round circle, which should be placed on the Local Register.
Vice-Chair Rea referenced two written communications from individuals who
were opposed to demolishing the adobe structures.
Commissioner Lee stated he could accept removing units 7-10 and incorporating
a new design into the community garden but retaining the front office and circle
apartments.
4. DISCUSS HPC GOALS AND WORK GROUPS:
Rozanne Cherry, Principal Planner, referenced the staff report and requested
input.
Vice-chair Rea asked if ad hoc meetings would have to be noticed. Mrs. Cherry
replied in the negative.
Discussion ensued regarding a clarification of the protocol for creating ad hoc
workgroups.
Mills Act Discussion:
Vice-chair Rea asked if Mills Act visits could occur without going inside.
Mrs. Cherry noted staff could research this further and report back to the
Commission.
Commissioner O'Boyle stated that she was unaware of any jurisdiction that
required going inside a Mills Act property.
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Discussion ensued regarding the protocol for Mills Act inspections.
Mr. Bingham noted that Item 3 in the Mills Act contract had language whereby
the owners agree to periodic examinations for both the interior and exterior of
their structures. Commissioner O'Boyle asked for staff to provide the Secretary of
Interior Standards language for local and State designations. Mrs. Cherry noted
that anything requiring a building permit would provide for inspecting the work.
Vice-chair Rea suggested creating a Mills Act ad hoc workgroup with the goal of
the group being to create the protocol for Mills Act visits and to have a list of
homes to inspect. The workgroup was comprised of Commissioners Rea,
O'Boyle, and Spann.
Staff was to arrange a meeting with Code Enforcement for the Mills Act
Workgroup.
Grants & Funding:
Commissioner O'Boyle noted that she could not begin working on this until the
new guidelines were available. The workgroup was comprised of Commissioners
Lee, and O'Boyle.
Promote Cultural Assets:
Discussion ensued regarding writing articles for local magazines and promoting
HPC awards in May. This item was deferred until fall or as opportunities came
about. The workgroup was comprised of Vice-chair Rea.
Identify Emerging Historic Districts:
Commissioner Brietenfeld suggested this category be used as identifying
different historic periods for structures within the City. The workgroup was
comprised of Commissioners Brietenfeld and O'Boyle.
5. DISCUSSION OF FEES RELATED TO HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND
PROPERTIES
Vice-chair Rea provided the update and noted that City Council had not
responded to the letter from the Commission regarding fees. She asked if the
Commission wanted to write another letter to City Council.
Mrs. Cherry suggested the Commission establish a workgroup to gather
information on fees that could be presented to City Council.
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Vice-chair Rae felt that the Old Escondido Neighborhood was doing a good job
spreading the word about items where a Certificate of Appropriateness was
needed.
Vice-chair Rea asked how long a Certificate of Appropriateness was good for.
Mr. Bingham noted that there was no expiration date for a Certificate of
Appropriateness.
Vice-chair Rea asked staff to research whether incentive funds were available.
She also expressed her concern with the fees being charged for the Certificate of
Appropriateness.
Commissioner Spann asked if staff could check into the status of the façade
improvement program.
The Commission established a future workgroup to look at fees. The workgroup
was comprised of Vice-chair Rea and Commissioner Spann.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS: None.
COMMISSIONER COMMENTS:
Vice-Chair Rea stated that she would like to be able to contact entities dealing
with historic items in Escondido, which could be forwarded to the Commission.
Mrs. Cherry noted that this part of the agenda was where commissioners could
provide comments, noting no action could be taken on the comments.
ADJOURNMENT:
The meeting was adjourned at 5:13 pm. The next regular meeting was
scheduled for October 7, 2014, at 3:30 p.m.
Rozann Cherry, Principal Ptanner T aulson, Minutes Clerk
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