City Commission Workshop Meeting
Regular MeetingEustis, FL · July 6, 2021
Minutes
APPROVED 11/3/2022
MINUTES
City Commission Workshop
4:00 PM - Tuesday, July 6, 2021 - Community Building
CALL TO ORDER: 4:00 P.M.
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF QUORUM AND PROPER NOTICE
PRESENT: Commissioner Nan Cobb, Commissioner Willie Hawkins, Vice Mayor
Emily Lee, Commissioner Karen LeHeup-Smith and Mayor Michael
Holland
1. WORKSHOP ITEM WITH COMMISSION DISCUSSION, PUBLIC INPUT AND
COMMISSION DIRECTION
1.1 Continuation of review of draft FY2021-2022 budget
Mayor Holland announced that Commissioner LeHeup-Smith would be late and
that Vice Mayor Lee would not be attending due to her granddaughter being in
a bad traffic accident.
Library
Ann Ivey, Director, provided an overview of the library, its collections and
services provided to the community. She commented on the benefits to the
library from joining the Lake County Library System. She noted that the five-
year capital plan includes repainting the outside of the building. She added
that a future plan is to enlarge the community room.
The Commission asked about issues with the air conditioning with Ms. Ivey
reporting on repairs that have already occurred. She noted that the system
was originally very expensive with Rick Gierok, Public Works Director, stating it
is in the FY23-24 fiscal year for repair. She commented on the savings to the
library since joining the county system .
Ms. Ivey reported that Personal Services are 80% of the library's budget. She
then reviewed the operating expenses noting that they are increasing the
number of pressure washings to the outside of the building. She explained
Communication Services has increased due to their being part of the County's
e-rate. She indicated that the City pays $18,000 of the free WIFI per year but
they are reimbursed $14,000 by the federal government through the County.
Discussion was held regarding the increase in the Utilities line item.
Ms. Ivey noted the reduction in the Repairs and Maintenance due to joining the
county system. She indicated the Promotional Activities is primarily for
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giveaways during National Library Week. She then reviewed the increase in
Office Supplies and elimination of Operating Supplies due to items being
recategorized. She explained the Library had been using the Garrett Trust to
purchase the large print materials; however, it is down to only $2,000 and the
large print materials represents 12% of their circulation. She further explained
the Library has three or four trusts that have to be used for specific purposes.
Mike Sheppard, Finance Director, explained two trusts are only allowed to
expend the interest; however, the other two have been drawn down.
Ms. Ivey then explained that the County is looking at changing the formula for
how their distributions are awarded and how the County currently provides
funding based on circulation. She stated they are thinking about changing the
formula to being either population-based or budget-based. She indicated that if
she is able to keep her budget close to where it is then they may get higher
funding.
Ron Neibert, City Manager, complimented Ms. Ivey on her efforts to get the
County to meet all of their obligations to the City with Ms. Ivey commenting on
her feeling that it was good for the City to join with the County.
The Commission asked about the Utilities with Ms. Ivey explaining it was
bumped up due to how high the utility bills were in the past year.
The Commission asked if the library building would be a good candidate for
solar panels with Mr. Neibert indicating that is something staff can evaluate for
the future.
Ms. Ivey noted that the water bill also went up due to improved landscaping.
Mr. Neibert explained that the City's bond agreement requires the City to
charge all City departments for water.
The Commission complimented Ms. Ivey on the library's programming.
Mr. Neibert announced that the City has no immediate plans to activate
emergency operations in response to Tropical Storm Elsa.
Fire Department
Fire Chief Mike Swanson explained the Fire Department is divided into three
divisions - Administration, Prevention and Suppression. He stated that the
overall total is $3.2 million with 26 employees. He noted Administration has
$3,000 included for the replacement of security cameras. He added that Small
Equipment includes costs for maintenance and repair of equipment such as fire
hose and nozzles. He indicated he tries to spread out costs over a five-year
period. He noted that $2.5 million is for Personal Services for staff. He
explained Professional Services includes $15,000 for Lifescan which is the
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department's required annual fitness program. He explained they come to the
department and check all of the personnel for cancer and run baselines.
The Commission asked why it almost doubled from 2020 to 2021 with Chief
Swanson explaining that includes some services the department has to fund
for the Fire Pension Fund. He explained the benefit of utilizing Lifescan over
having to send staff to four different places to complete all of their annual
physicals and vaccinations. He then reviewed what is included under Other
Contractual Services including computer firewall, annual maintenance for
radios, Visio control, and warranties for heart monitors. He stated the increase
is primarily due to improving their computer firewalls and CAD program. He
then explained the increase in Travel & Per Diem noting that in the past no one
in fire service attended extra training and he has tried to change that. He
announced plans for staff to attend the Indianapolis Fire Department
Instructors Conference and the National Fire Academy. He stated that
Transportation & Postage includes shipping for monitoring devices to be
maintained.
Chief Swanson noted that the Utility Services has stayed constant except when
fuel costs fluctuate. He explained the funding under Repair & Maintenance
noting that he encourages personnel to wash their uniforms at the station so as
not to expose their families to contaminants.
The Commission asked about the Employee Study Expense with Chief
Swanson explaining the Books and Subscriptions is for manuals they are
required to have for classes they teach. He stated Employee Study Expense
covers personnel that are currently in school and the CEU's that are required to
maintain their certifications. He added the department also has four people in
college programs and three in paramedic school. He noted they have some
classes that can be completed online but others have to be face-to-face. He
explained that, while the City pays for the classes, they are not paid for the
time in class.
Chief Swanson then reviewed the Prevention division noting that neither of
those staff members are part of the Fire Pension Fund but participate in the
City's 401 k program. He reviewed specific line items and what is included in
each. He noted the expense for purchasing giveaways for children during Fire
Prevention Week and smoke detectors.
Commissioner LeHeup-Smith joined the meeting at 4:36 p.m.
Chief Swanson stated there is no recommended capital outlay for Prevention.
He explained that funds for fire inspections go into the General Fund. He
indicated they do not raise a lot of money from false fire alarms as those are
strictly assessed to get property owners to get their systems repaired.
Chief Swanson then reviewed the Suppression budget by line item. He
explained these employees are part of the Fire Pension Fund. He noted the
Overtime line item totaling $210,200. He explained that if someone is out sick,
he has to bring someone in on overtime.
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The Commission questioned whether or not it would reduce the Overtime if
they hired more manpower. Discussion was held regarding the benefit of
adding more staff, how it might benefit health and morale and the cost to only
add one more person per shift.
Discussion was held regarding how they could hire more people with Chief
Swanson indicating it would cost $85 ,000 per year for a paramedic including
uniforms, PPE , insurance and pension. It was noted that it would require
another six employees in order to put the rescue truck back on the road.
Chief Swanson indicated that if they hired three more individuals so they had
eight man shifts it would mean that, sometimes, they would be able to have the
rescue truck on the road when all employees are on-shift.
Commissioner LeHeup-Smith noted that, even if the City was able to "find"
$300,000 it has to be sustainable year to year, not just one time only.
The Commission questioned the detail under Salaries & Wages with Chief
Swanson explaining that some of the titles are incorrect; however, the
individual salaries are correct.
Chief Swanson then reviewed Other Contractual Services and explained it was
being increased primarily due to an overdue increase to the ESQ, patient care
reporting system , as well as equipment testing and Emergency Report, the fire
reporting system . He then explained Operating Supplies and Vehicle Repair &
Maintenance noting that was previously lumped together but it was separated
to provide better information regarding the cost of operating the trucks.
Chief Swanson reviewed the planned capital expenditure to replace the
department's boat and the Fire Chiefs vehicle. He explained one of the
department trucks is being retired .
Discussion was held regarding the Fire Department's problems with its fire
rescue boat and what type of boat they plan on obtaining . Discussion was also
held regarding going ahead with preparing specifications so they can move
quickly after October 1st.
Mr. Sheppard announced that 40% of the Prevention division is paid for out of
the Building Services Fund .
RECESS : 5:03 p.m. RECONVENE: 5:10 p.m .
Public Works
Rick Gierok, Public Works Director, reviewed the Public Works division budget
noting that it includes $35,000 for demolition of the American Legion building.
He reviewed the Maintenance Garage budget citing the increase in Operating
Supplies due to the increase in diesel costs.
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The Commission questioned the reduction in Personal Services with Mr.
Sheppard explaining that the previous year there were some accruals that
were included and should not have been included in that line item.
Mr. Gierok explained the Employee Study Expense is for CPR and other job
specific training that is required. He cited the increase in Vehicle Repair &
Maintenance due to needed repairs on one of the department vehicles.
The Commission asked about the $12 ,000 in Overtime with Mr. Gierok
explaining they are seven months into the current budget and the department
is only at $4,800 so they have reduced next year's request to $10,000. He
explained that staff is called out for events and hurricanes.
Mr. Gierok then reviewed the Building Maintenance budget including the
American Legion demolition .
The Commission asked where the maintenance is located for all the City's
buildings with Mr. Gierok noting line item 30-46 - Repairs & Maintenance for
most of the smaller costs. He stated larger repairs may be budgeted under
Capital Outlay. He explained how he projects out major costs over a ten-year
period for costs such as air conditioning units and roofs. He commented on
how the various roofs were patched in the past and the need for replacement.
The Commission asked about the $1,440 under Communication Services with
Mr. Gierok indicating that is for cell phones and replacement insurance.
Mr. Gierok then reviewed the Cemetery budget noting that Dean Strickland has
retired with Wyatt Lewis filling in temporarily as Sexton but he will also be
retiring at the end of the year. He indicated they have moved a Public Works
employee temporarily into the cemetery. He expressed concern regarding the
City's ability to find someone with sexton experience or the need to provide the
City's employee with appropriate training. He cited the reduction in Utilities
down to $2,500 . He explained the increase in Operating Supplies is due to
increased cost in fuel. He reviewed what is included in the Employee Study
Expense due to trying to get the new personnel fully trained .
Mr. Gierok cited the $10 ,000 budgeted under Road Materials to resurface the
cemetery road. He then reviewed the Park Maintenance budget noting there
are no personnel changes only the increases for insurance and salary
increase. He then reviewed what is included in Other Contractual Services
noting the outsourcing of tree maintenance due to the inherent danger to the
employees. He added that $60,000 is for the landscape maintenance
outsourcing . He cited the various port-a-lets included. He then explained the
increases to Utility Services and Repair and Maintenance. He noted the high
cost for playground mulch and explained they have a contract for regular
maintenance of the boardwalk.
The Commission asked about the seawall repair with Mr. Gierok indicating staff
is monitoring it to make sure it is not getting significantly worse. He stated a
ballpark estimate was $600 ,000 to $700,000. He then explained the $125,000
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included for the Lakewalk floating dock repair which has been moved to the
CRA budget. He then reviewed the detail under Operating Supplies noting the
12x16 shed can be removed due to it already being purchased. He cited the
increased amount for pressure washing of buildings.
Custodial Services
Mr. Gierok reviewed the Custodial Services budget. He explained they were
able to purchase sanitizing equipment through the CARES Act monies and
were able to reduce the disinfecting costs for Covid by being able to use a
different disinfectant.
Mayor Holland thanked Mr. Gierok and his crew for all they do.
Parks & Recreation
Mr. Neibert explained the increase in the overall Parks & Recreation budget to
$1.4 million due to requests by the Commission for additional services.
Craig Dolan, Parks & Recreation Director, explained they are requesting
additional personnel bringing total staff to 19. He cited requests for
landscaping for the community center, new recreation software that will allow
residents to make online payments and reservations; two new part-time and
one new full-time position for the pool; and $1500 to replace the lobby window
to make it more secure.
The Commission asked about the increase in Promotional Activities with Mr.
Dolan explaining his desire to purchase items such as banners and giveaway
items to improve their branding and marketing.
Mr. Dolan then reviewed the Facility Rental budget noting their request for
additional personnel due to the number of facility rentals. He cited the $20,000
under Professional Services for new landscaping for the Community Building.
He explained the increase in Communication Services due to increased costs
in WIFI which is available in all of their buildings.
Discussion was held regarding the future of the Community Building and how
to promote rental of the buildings during the week. Mr. Dolan commented on
the existing rental fees and noted the City's fees are the lowest for what they
offer. He indicated they are working on a new fee schedule to include charging
for overtime.
Mr. Dolan reviewed the Repair & Maintenance line item noting the cost
reduction . He stated some of the bathrooms now have automatic locks so staff
doesn't have to go around locking them and they are planning to add more. He
cited the increase in Operating Supplies and provided a breakdown. He
reviewed Vehicle Repair & Maintenance noting the age of most of their
vehicles. He stated the Capital Outlay line item includes new equipment for the
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fitness center, restroom automation and 400 new chairs for the community
building.
Discussion was held regarding possibly renting various fields and parks, those
that are available first come first serve and fees that could be charged.
Mr. Dolan reviewed the Program budget citing the increase in Other Salary &
Wages due to the need for additional staff. He reviewed the anticipated
additional staff positions both part-time and temporary. He indicated that the
sports officials would be recouped from the league fees . He then reviewed
Other Contractual Services noting that for any special instructors there is a
70/30 split with the City receiving 30% of the fees to reimburse the City for the
cost of hosting the class. He commented on plans to add more races and
other programming .
Mr. Dolan then reviewed the increase to Repair & Maintenance and Operating
Supplies. He commented on the plan to host an Adult and Seniors Prom. He
stated they are also adding funding for movie licensing so they can show
movies in the park and for bounce house rentals. He stated funding is under
Machinery & Equipment for air conditioning units for Carver Park and in the
Capital Improvement Plan for playground equipment for Selleen Park.
Mr. Dolan then reviewed the Aquatics budget citing the increase in staff for an
Aquatics Program Coordinator. He stated that would only be needed if they go
year-round .
Mr. Neibert reported it would cost approximately $160,000 to go year-round
with the heater and the cover to be purchased out of the capital fund . He said
the increase to the Parks & Recreation budget is for operating supplies for
year-round .
Discussion was held regarding which other area pools are also open year-
round with Mr. Dolan stating there would be an additional increase of $50 ,000
for part-time staff.
Discussion was held regarding rental of the pool with Mr. Dolan explaining it is
only available for birthday parties. He commented on the difficulty in having
staff available for those . Mr. Neibert noted it becomes less viable if the City
goes to year-round operation.
Mr. Dolan then commented on , if they bring in outside swim instructors, they
would receive a cut of the proceeds. He stated Utility Services was also
increased in anticipation of year-round operation. He then reviewed
anticipated increases to Repair & Maintenance. He commented on required
maintenance for the splash pad . He then reviewed the requests under
Machinery & Equipment noting the need for new starting blocks at $12 ,000.
However, those are currently only used by the high school. He ind icated the
possibility of getting the high school to pay half of the cost.
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Mr. Neibert noted that the $10,000 for the Pool Blanket has been moved into
capital and will be paired with the pool heater for bidding.
Discussion was held regarding the purchase of the starting blocks with Mr.
Dolan commenting on the possibility of getting a swim club started and possibly
a master's club . He stated he would just cover the new blocks and leave them
up year-round.
The Commission asked about getting a sign installed directing people to the
aquatic center with Mr. Gierok indicating he could ask DOT for permission.
Mr. Dolan noted they have a banner that was up but had to be taken down due
to the impending storm .
Non-Departmental
Mr. Neibert reported on the Non-Departmental budget noting the various
interdepartmental transfers including $795,000 from General Fund to the Street
Improvement Fund in order to maintain the street improvement program as well
as $481,000 to the CRA and $5 ,000 to the Greenwood Cemetery Fund. He
confirmed that the Neuter/Spay Program could be eliminated with
Commissioner LeHeup-Smith noting that the County is now charging only $10
to spay or neuter a cat along with shots and ear-tipping which is much less
than what her organization had to charge.
Mr. Neibert noted the budgeting of $75,000 under Termination Pay due to
payouts to employees separating from City service. He also noted the $96,100
for Lump Sum Retiree payouts. He cited the $30 ,000 budgeted for the
organizational grants. He then summarized that based on the workshops they
have reduced the budget by $24 ,000 from the General Fund budget for
omission of the advertising at the airports, computer for Development Services,
$4500 for the shed , $10 ,000 for the blanket and $5,000 for the spay program .
They then added in $15 ,000 for the See-Click-Fix for a net reduction of $9 ,000.
He stated they are now anticipating a General Fund surplus $453 ,000.
Mr. Neibert explained that, at the next regular Commission meeting , staff will
be presenting the CIP Plan and initiating the millage rate process. He stated
staff is proposing a rate of $7.581 which is the maximum the Commission could
levy. He stated a half point reduction equals approximately $300,000. He
explained if the Commission wanted to reduce the millage by a half point it
would reduce the surplus to $180,000 and maintain the budget as presented .
Mr. Sheppard announced that the estimated roll-back rate would be 7.4146
with Mr. Neibert indicating that rate would result in a deficit of approximately
$400,000. He added that the problem with lowering the millage rate is the
difficulty in increasing it later on when needs increase.
Mr. Sheppard indicated staff would calculate the effective millage rate once
they see what other cities have done with their interfund transfers and fees .
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Discussion was held regarding whether and how much to reduce the millage
rate .
Commissioner LeHeup-Smith commented on how much the City is able to
accomplish with what it has but everyone has talked about needing more staff.
She commented on the possibility of increasing the millage rate and how that
might help accomplish more.
Commissioner Hawkins confirmed the current rate would result in a surplus of
$450,000 and keep the budget as presented except for the three additional
firefighters.
Mr. Neibert commented that the City has the third lowest per capita taxable
value and the City was surpassed this year by Groveland in total taxable value.
He stated that is a reflection of the City's ability to promote growth and increase
that taxable value.
The Commission asked staff to bring back what would be the maximum millage
rate, what would a half point increase result in and the current rate.
Mr. Neibert explained that after the next Commission meeting the formal legal
process begins for the millage rate so a final decision on the millage rate would
need to be made at the next meeting.
Mr. Neibert confirmed the City could keep the current millage rate , implement
all of the programs presented and add three firefighters without changing the
millage rate.
The Commission asked to have what all will be implemented with the millage
during a regular Commission meeting.
Mr. Neibert stated staff will provide the numbers based on 7.581 including the
three additional firefighters as well as the additional half point (8.051 rate) and
show what the additional revenues would be.
The Commission asked about whether there needs to additional police
personnel with Mr. Neibert indicating the Police Chief is comfortable with
current staffing levels.
Mr. Neibert then reported on the fire union negotiations held that day noting
that the City's proposal was not well received. He stated the fire union
countered with wages of 6%, 5% and 5% versus the City's proposal of 3%, 3%
and 3%.
Mr. Neibert indicated that, if they decide to go with the half point increase, they
will need to identify what they want to do with the additional funds. He
commented on the possibility of using the funds to hire three additional
firefighters. He stated if they raise the millage rate to 8.051 that would result in
a surplus of $740,000. If they use $500,000 for the staffing needed to put the
rescue truck back on the road , that would leave a surplus of $240,000.
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Mr. Neibert then asked if they wanted to have another workshop to review the
Water & Sewer Fund noting that it would have no impact on the General Fund
unless they want to increase the transfer.
Discussion was held regarding when to hold the next workshop.
It was a consensus to meet Wednesday, July 14th, at 4 p.m. and for it to
include discussion regarding the millage rate.
2. ADJOURNMENT: 6:42 P.M.
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CHRISTINE HALLORAN MICHAEL L. HOLLAND
City Clerk Mayor/Commissioner
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