Committee of the Whole
Regular MeetingGahanna, OH · June 10, 2019
Minutes
200 South Hamilton Road
City of Gahanna Gahanna, Ohio 43230
Meeting Minutes
Committee of the Whole
Stephen A. Renner, Vice President, Chair
Brian Metzbower, President
Jamie Leeseberg
Karen J. Angelou
Brian D. Larick
Nancy R. McGregor
Michael Schnetzer
Krystal Gonchar, Deputy Clerk of Council
Monday, June 10, 2019 7:00 PM Council Committee Room
*Amended Agenda
CALL TO ORDER.
Chair Renner called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
PENDING LEGISLATION:
ORD-0042-2019 TO AMEND PART ELEVEN, PLANNING AND ZONING CODE,
CHAPTERS: 1105, 1108, 1131, 1133, 1153, 1169, 1177, 1181, AND
1193, OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF GAHANNA.
Crawford met with Leeseberg last week to answer his questions and was
informed that City Attorney Ewald should have amendments to code
changes to present. McGregor said green infrastructure is good but
experimental should not replace stormwater detention policies; is ok to
incorporate but not replace. Crawford said there are no intentions to
remove stormwater detention, this would be in addition to; there are a
few places where this could work. McGregor asked who would maintain
these things like rain gardens, etc.; when HOA dissolves, they would not
be able to ensure compliance. Crawford said we don't want to add
anything extra that we can't manage; said Leeseberg was concerned
about adding "if possible" to the language.
Metzbower said in regard to liability risks; are we at a risk of not being
consistent. Ewald said yes, we do need to be consistent; onerous can be
on developer. Larick asked how we create language. Ewald said we add
“you must do it unless there is evidence that you cannot do it”; boring is
an example. Crawford said if it is not constructible then you can't do it;
very simple standards. Crawford said there are engineering standards.
Larick said his intent is not to be difficult, just striving for clean and
effective language. Crawford said he would have to look into it to see if it
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fulfills the requirement; said there is no sense of urgency, but changes to
pre development and post development needs to move forward quickly
to be in line with current standards. McGregor asked if this makes it more
strict or less. Crawford said more.
Metzbower asked for green infrastructure, are there already standards in
place or are we defining these things. Renner said they are defined; said
Franklin County came in and talked about this; may be a good idea to
bring them back to refresh memories; 1193.06 talks about stormwater
run-off control with technical jargon but talks about what run-off is for a
given area. Larick said the valuation of capabilities is what he is referring
to. Renner said engineers are aware of these things and it really
depends on soils; there are some situations where rain gardens work
very well and some situations where they do not; is a matter of trying to
determine where the water will go. McGregor said high water and clay
soils are not conducive to underground storage, and that’s what Gahanna
has here. Renner said he remembers a situation from across the street
and agrees. Angelou asked if this was an EPA thing; Renner confirmed;
said Jennifer Fish and John Ritter would be good people to bring out.
Angelou said MORPC has some info up. Renner said they were taking a
large regional approach at this. Larick asked what’s the evaluation that
determines if this is something to be asked versus “no this does not need
to be done”, that’s what he’s trying to understand, the process.
Crawford said FCS&W reviews site and recommends. Angelou asked if
they do this for every one of these sites. Larick said they determine if it is
possible. Crawford confirmed that FCS&W determines that. Barr said
they also look at the surrounding area, not just the site. Larick said we
are talking about a recommendation that turns into an obligation, this
needs to be equitable; if it costs an extra 15% on a project, are we fine
with this or is there an appeal of some kind. Metzbower asked Larick if
he’s asking if this has the potential for an unfunded mandate. Larick said
yes. Renner said no, this is clearly written.
Blackford said city engineer is responsible for saying it is practical; if a
developer has concerns, since it is in chapter 11, can ask for a variance
from Planning Commission; now the wording is "shall" which means it is
a requirement; financial is not grounds for a variance.
Ewald said if you follow Blackford’s process, then yes, you follow a
variance process. Larick said that's fine if it is an administrative policy.
Ewald said “best practice” is not administrative policy; the variance
request is very specific; it would be impossible and impracticable; must
have various reasons for not being able to do it. Larick said for risk
litigation, needs something to close the loop. Ewald said when code is in
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place, policy will not rewrite that.
Angelou asked about Doug Maddy's property going up on Havens
Corner, did they use these green infrastructures. Larick said yes and
that’s wonderful and not questioning the idea of green infrastructures.
Metzbower asked if FCS&W comes back to inspect if it’s done correctly.
Crawford said yes, and they do erosion control etc. Metzbower said he
would hate to find out 10 years from now that something did not work.
Ewald said he is fine with it. There is a legal output.
Gonchar stated that all the code changes came forward from Planning
Commission as one ordinance, but there were separate items: zoning
changes, stormwater changes, public hearing notice changes, and the
item for signs, which was pulled out as a separate ordinance at the last
Committee Meeting; suggested that we pull the items out separately
since there are still questions about some of these items; would hate to
see something fail just because it is tied in with the others. Jones said
the zoning items have some time sensitive projects associated. Renner
said stormwater needs to still be on the regular agenda.
Larick asked where our primary location for notices is. Gonchar said
Rocky Fork Enterprise. Metzbower said regarding suggested code
changes for public hearing notices, there was one resident who spoke
out against them during the public hearing and feels that even if one
person is against it, then we should wait. Renner confirmed. Larick said
he is unsure what is the right decision, but believes that we should not just
think about what we do as a norm, but what others do as a norm; keep in
mind that others do things differently. Angelou and McGregor agreed that
the cost savings alone was not worth it. Gonchar stated that the cost
savings was not the sole purpose for the changes; we now post notices
online to reach more readers; that the delay for notices going out was
based off the deadlines for the newspaper; that was less efficient than
what we are proposing; will continue with the letters being sent to
contiguous property owners which was the most effective form of
communicating these things to the people most affected; said she does
not care if this waits for some time in the future, or if it does not change,
but would hate to see the other changes not go through because they
want to vote down the changes to the public hearing notices and
stormwater; again suggested breaking the items out; asked Ewald to
confirm if that was possible. Ewald confirmed, and Larick said it could be
amended by substitution since it was already introduced.
RECOMMENDATION: Regular Agenda.
ITEM FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICE & ENGINEERING:
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ORD-0058-2019 TO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO ENTER INTO CONTRACT WITH
PIPETEK INFRASTRUCTURE SERVICES FOR THE 2019 CCTV &
SANITARY SEWER CLEANING PROJECT.
Crawford said his department is requesting to award the contract for the
2019 CCTV project; explained the purpose of the project based off the
report submitted; bid was opened last Friday. Pipetek won the bid; said
he is requesting a 10% contingency; have checked completeness of bid
and checked references. Angelou asked which area this is this for.
Crawford said the Westside.
Crawford provided an update on the rental registration; code
enforcement officers are in place; were hired 2-3 weeks ago and training
is underway; permits completed and software updates in progress; will
be working in the next few weeks to finalize the forms; will send out letters
to properties the first week of July; will be sent in numerical order by
parcel number. McGregor asked how the County knows who rents out
their properties. Metzbower said it's an honor system; there is a fee for
failing to register.
RECOMMENDATION: Consent Agenda.
ITEM FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS & RECREATION:
ORD-0059-2019 SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION- ODNR Wildlife Education Grant.
Barr stated that the funds from the grant will go for summer programs for
recreation materials; shared some upcoming events on their report;
informed Council that the story this year at the Story Trail was about the
Big Walnut Country Club; stated that the stories rotate out to other
locations.
RECOMMENDATION: Consent Agenda.
ITEM FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING & DEVELOPMENT:
ORD-0049-2019 TO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO ENTER INTO A PURCHASE
AGREEMENT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 496 EAST
JOHNSTOWN ROAD; AND TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY.
Jones stated that as discussed at the previous COTW meeting,
Leeseberg had questions. Ewald said they asked for remediation and
the owner said no; said we asked for title insurance so we can walk away
if we find something within 2 years. Mayor said that's the purpose of
Phase 1. Larick said we have a price, we do have the ability to do Phase
1 before closing. Ewald said within 90 days of closing; if phase one does
not occur before closing then we can delay closing. Angelou asked if in
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the areas of Sycamore Run Park, were there any environmental issues
with that; this will connect to that. Ewald said he is unsure. Larick said we
have no contract; we need to have the ability to do inspections and have
a window of time to do those. Ewald said that would push the timeline,
but will ask for that. Jones said the option expires on 6/13; can ask for
consideration for additional time. Metzbower said we went through this
with another property recently; it had asbestos. McGregor asked if a
special meeting is possible. Renner asked the clerk to confirm how far in
advance notice would need sent out. Gonchar said 24 hour notice is
required for Special Meetings.
RECOMMENDATION: Regular Agenda.
ITEMS FROM THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE:
ORD-0060-2019 TO AUTHORIZE THE ISSUANCE OF BONDS, OR NOTES, NOT TO
EXCEED FIVE MILLION ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS
($5,100,000); IN ANCTICIPATION OF BONDS, FOR THE PURPOSE
OF PAYING A FINAL JUDGMENT, INCLUDING DEFENSE COSTS
AND EXPENSES; AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING RELATED
MATTERS; AND TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY.
Bury said regarding the settlement for the tax lawsuit; we have the $4.1m
in the litigation reserve; we do not have the remaining $5m; this allows
Council to issue bonds or notes; when the judge makes the
determination, we have 14 days to pay; based on current market
conditions; there's either callable, callable at will, or non-callable option;
non-callable are at 2.1%; call within 2 years is ranging around 2.5%;
callable at will is 2.45%;10 year bond gives maximum flexibility and is
close to where notes are. Metzbower asked if July 11 was the scheduled
date. Ewald said yes, for the fairness hearing. Metzbower asked about
the likelihood of the ruling that same day. Ewald said probably not but
depends on how soon the court wants to clear the docket; court will
entertain for people to come in and notify them whether they oppose
attorney fees, etc.; will review all info and make a timely decision.
Angelou asked if it is possible that will happen on July 11. Ewald said
again, it is possible yes, but is it likely, no; but we should be prepared.
McGregor said we will have the first reading on 6/17 and then wait. Bury
confirmed.
RECOMMENDATION: Regular Agenda.
ORD-0056-2019 SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION- 2019 Funding.
Bury stated that she provided additional items today; based on
recommendations, there were some changes to the ordinance; if you
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look at the summary, it is the easiest to read; incorporated all changes
from the last meeting; we still have a surplus; willing to answer any
questions about how funds were projected. McGregor asked if the officer
who retired, was that the lieutenant. Mayor said Murphy also retired, but
she was funded through the entire year so no need for changes; Basso
retired and didn't want to fill it due to budget constraints, but we are now
asking to fill it.
Larick asked for the 3 funds, wants to talk about structure; believed 25%
would be a single fund for operational with no carryover from year to year;
do not understand this. Bury said when you budget, you never meet your
target exactly; we budget conservatively so we plan for more spending
and spend less; will usually always have some carryover from year to
year; this ensures that the funds are being used as intended. Larick
asked what’s the impact of one fund; Bury said they are co-mingled and
more difficult to see the spending.
Angelou agreed with 3 funds; we have specifically earmarked for 3 funds;
will be very clear. Bury said going back to public safety, we pull over the
entire SRO program; next year will be easier to determine the costs.
Angelou asked what the auditors would say in advance. Bury said they
won't tell you that; will tell you though “they don't see anything wrong.”
Larick said for even distribution; what happens if there's a significant
initiative for something normally small, which takes you out of ratio; now
must be accounted for in a very specific fashion. McGregor said does not
have to be divided evenly every year. Larick said on pg. 2, there has
been a conversation around money saved and money is there; the
reason those were put on the table was there was a need to make
adjustments; we can function as a community without those positions;
what value do those positions bring to the table. Mayor said when we
went through the process, it was purely for the financial aspect only; to get
more money to add to the street program for example, which is what
Council wanted; we believe we need these positions; the P&R Director
position for example, provides direction, is a CEO of sorts for the
department; there are union implications and head count implications; we
have shortages where work needs to be done; administration never
made a recommendation to remove those positions, we never said that
we don't need these.
Metzbower said that the need for urgency, and reason for moving issue
12 up to the May ballot was because we need these things. Larick said
he wants a description, an outline for these positions. Mayor said the job
descriptions and Charter state what they do and why; we need to function
on a daily basis and need the positions filled in order to do that. Larick
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said he can't fund a position of he does not know the value it serves; said
there are reasons they exist but wants a list. Metzbower said that was not
provided in the past. Angelou said she agrees with Kneeland that cuts
were made because we were talking about levels of importance; but
issue 12 passed and now we look at reinstating; we do have Charter
issues; the people have said they want the community to grow and move
forward; if not this year, within the next few years; does not want to defund
places that have worth.
Larick said we are sitting at a time where funds are available and we
need to maintain focus on where and when we spend funds; this is an
ask of supporting the need for the position; asked what is the value of
having a position in house rather than contracted out.
Barr said he is prepared to answer that question. Mayor said he
understands where Larick is coming from but personnel staffing needs to
be brought back up to levels where they need to be. Larick said there
should be an expectation of evaluating positions. Mayor said there is and
that's on the administration to do; we need to justify new positions, but not
keeping current ones; have been on Council and those things never went
to Council in the past.
Angelou said she would like to see the strategic plans; would like
updates on those things. Mayor said he will share that, but there’s a
looming date of July 1. Renner said he hears talks about these things that
should be going to budget discussions; this is to fix a deficiency; to stop
the supplemental mid-year is changing the rules of the game; we publicly
stated that we had a deficiency due to valuing streets more; residents
said ok and passed issue 12; this is to just return funding to the end of
the year; Council does not get all the info we need in a timely manner,
that's a current issue when it comes to the budget. Mayor said we plan on
providing the strategic plans but were not prepared to bring it tonight.
McGregor said when issue 12 was put on ballot and funded positions to
June 1, it was implied that funds would be there if its passed, in order to
refund positions; it did pass, so it seems we should refund those
positions. Renner said that balances the year out; the questions Larick is
asking are for the 2020 budget. Larick said the ask is for the value of
expenditure. Metzbower said from a fiscal stand point let’s not forget that
we have opened ourselves up to lawsuits. We have a Steelworker union
position on here; we have a position that is specified in the charter.
Ewald asked from a procedural standpoint, does ORD-56 restore
existing positions, it does not create or fund new ones, it replaces cuts.
Larick confirmed that it replaces cuts. Metzbower asked if this is a
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standard for each budget. Angelou and Larick said yes. Renner said
that’s the point he was making; this is just to continue with what we
publicly committed to in 2019. Mayor asked if the memo sent out, if the
contents in the memo are not sufficient. Larick said in short, that’s
probably a fair statement. Mayor said these things are more technical
than a memo, that’s what strategic planning is for; has a problem with
applying a rule set for a product to people. Metzbower said that Larick
keeps making the same points; let’s just put this on the regular agenda
and move on. Renner asked what Larick needs from the administration.
Larick said he needs context and explanation for the expenditure.
Vollmer said the reasons she stated are valid reasons; listed out
reasons. Renner said the outputs of the job are included in the budget
process. Larick said when he says "us" it sounds like he’s referring to the
7 of us, what he's talking about is the community; no matter what, when
looking through processes, there is a value.
Barr said with the blessing of the mayor, would like to make an attempt to
answer questions about the forestry position. Hilliard contracts out the
position; paid approximately $49,000 in 2018 for 525 hours of work, or a
quarter of the year; annual salary and benefits for Gahanna Forestry
Foreman is approximately $66,500; Hillard spent $125,000 in forestry
contract work compared to $16,000 during the same year; parkland
acres are similar and population of both cities are similar as well; we
have the knowledge, skills, and abilities along with equipment we will
almost always perform arbor work instead of contracting out saving
additional City dollars; working with Dan Balser from ODNR Division of
Forestry Chief, he valued our urban forest infrastructure asset providing
$1.1 million annually in ecosystem services by using the USDA Forest
Service iTree software program; these services include carbon
sequestration, air pollution removal, and avoided storm water runoff; the
ecosystem services would not immediately diminish if left unmanaged
however they can only be maximized and sustained through long-term
planning and management; as our community faces increasing urban
population as identified by MORPC and an increasing need for cleaner
air and water in urban environments, urban forests and the professionals
that manage them will play a key role in providing solutions to these
challenges; some arbor facts that add value to the City: healthy, mature
trees add an average of 10 percent to a property’s value; one large tree
can provide a day’s supply of oxygen for up to four people; trees properly
placed around building and homes will reduce energy costs from 20 to
50%. Mayor said there are other responsibilities too for the Forestry
Forman position, as they relate to Planning Commission.
McGregor said Julie worked with Villas when they lost ash trees; she
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helped pick a different species; you could hire a contractor but there is a
value in having someone who knows the city; do they take the time to pay
attention to preventative things. Barr said that is a great point about
customer service; received hundreds of comments from businesses last
year. Larick said that's a good start. Renner said that was the first time
he has ever heard such a well stated summary of asset management, of
what we have inside the city and how it benefits; that’s never been sated
in a public meeting and it needs to be stated; we generically say we have
this many acres of parks, etc.; that explanation stated in a quantitative
way, the benefit of these ecosystems; thanked Barr. Barr said a summary
of the benefits for the director position is more difficult; but there’s not just
the two positions that are being brought forward; does not want to be
unfair to those departments who wish to speak.
Angelou said at MORPC it is interesting to see how many people who
came from Gahanna and learned so much about how we do things and
then move on to larger cities and positions; we have been doing a lot of
things right; we now have more taxes so we can thrive; we are not a
business, this is a service organization; we want to ensure we are using
taxes appropriately; sometimes the budget book is too large and
sometimes we need less information, but sometimes we need more.
Mayor said just because issue 12 passed does not mean we need to
add many employees, but employees that are critically needed; said
there are even positions proposed to be eliminated in this plan; we are
trying to do the best with what we have.
Jones said regarding to the value of employees, Emanuel Torres,
Economic Development Manager, is tasked with being the salesperson
for the city; has met with 282 businesses within the past 3 years; saw
$63m in new investment, brought in by those visits; the visits took about 4
touches for us to get in front of them; from those visits, 14 job projects
were created; Torres’ job was to get that program off the ground; being
aggressive in getting visits was vital; Torres even convinced a project to
take $14k less in incentives by negotiation; that position ensures we get
what we pay for with incentives; reduces abatement when not in
compliance; he is well known throughout the city for being welcoming;
1,822 jobs created and retained within 3 years from the 14 projects; the
position is critical for economic development; creates site selection
packages. Angelou asked if Torres is on a Commission as well. Jones
confirmed that Torres serves on the Ohio Latino Affairs Commission.
Larick asked for, in simple terms, what Barr described. Renner thanked
Jones. Metzbower said he’s very passionate about this topic and
apologized for losing his temper.
RECOMMENDATION: Regular Agenda.
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ITEM FROM THE DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES:
ORD-0061-2019 TO AMEND ORDINANCE 0016-2019 TO ESTABLISH THE SALARIES
FOR PERSONNEL OF THE CITY OF GAHANNA; AND TO DECLARE
AN EMERGENCY.
Vollmer stated this was in conjunction with ORD-56-19; requesting 2.5%
wage increase for unclassified; in addition, stated the items listed on the
report submitted; requesting emergency/waiver. McGregor asked if the
pay increase would be in one lump sum. Vollmer confirmed. Angelou
asked if it would be retroactive. Vollmer confirmed.
RECOMMENDATION: Regular Agenda.
ITEM FROM COUNCIL:
ORD-0062-2019 SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION- TEMPORARY WORK AT A
HIGHER CLASSIFICATION FOR THE DEPUTY CLERK OF COUNCIL.
Metzbower said they met with and extended a job offer for the vacant
Clerk of Council position so this would allow for interim pay for the
Deputy Clerk to do the job as the Clerk; would provide funds for the job
already done. Council thanked Gonchar for the work she's done in the
absence of the Clerk of Council.
RECOMMENDATION: Consent Agenda.
ADJOURNMENT.
Chair Renner adjourned the meeting at 9:06 p.m.
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200 South Hamilton Road
City of Gahanna Gahanna, Ohio 43230
Meeting Agenda
Committee of the Whole
Stephen A. Renner, Vice President, Chair
Brian Metzbower, President
Jamie Leeseberg
Karen J. Angelou
Brian D. Larick
Nancy R. McGregor
Michael Schnetzer
Krystal Gonchar, Deputy Clerk of Council
Monday, June 10, 2019 7:00 PM Council Committee Room
*Amended Agenda
CALL TO ORDER.
PENDING LEGISLATION:
ORD-0042-2019 TO AMEND PART ELEVEN, PLANNING AND ZONING CODE,
CHAPTERS: 1105, 1108, 1131, 1133, 1153, 1169, 1177, 1181, AND
1193, OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF GAHANNA.
ITEM FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SERVICE & ENGINEERING:
ORD-0058-2019 TO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO ENTER INTO CONTRACT WITH
PIPETEK INFRASTRUCTURE SERVICES FOR THE 2019 CCTV &
SANITARY SEWER CLEANING PROJECT.
ITEM FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS & RECREATION:
ORD-0059-2019 SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION- ODNR Wildlife Education Grant.
ITEM FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING & DEVELOPMENT:
ORD-0049-2019 TO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO ENTER INTO A PURCHASE
AGREEMENT FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 496 EAST JOHNSTOWN
ROAD; AND TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY.
ITEMS FROM THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE:
ORD-0060-2019 TO AUTHORIZE THE ISSUANCE OF BONDS, OR NOTES, NOT TO
EXCEED FIVE MILLION ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS
($5,100,000); IN ANCTICIPATION OF BONDS, FOR THE PURPOSE OF
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PAYING A FINAL JUDGMENT, INCLUDING DEFENSE COSTS AND
EXPENSES; AUTHORIZING AND APPROVING RELATED MATTERS;
AND TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY.
ORD-0056-2019 SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION- 2019 Funding.
ITEM FROM THE DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES:
ORD-0061-2019 TO AMEND ORDINANCE 0016-2019- TO ESTABLISH THE SALARIES
FOR PERSONNEL OF THE CITY OF GAHANNA; AND TO DECLARE AN
EMERGENCY.
ITEM FROM COUNCIL:
ORD-0062-2019 SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION- TEMPORARY WORK AT A
HIGHER CLASSIFICATION FOR THE DEPUTY CLERK OF COUNCIL;
AND TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY.
ADJOURNMENT.
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