Finance Committee
Regular MeetingGahanna, OH · March 10, 2014
Minutes
Office of the Clerk of Council
City of Gahanna 200 South Hamilton Road
Gahanna, Ohio 43230
Meeting Minutes
Finance Committee
Michael Schnetzer, Chair, Karen J. Angelou, Ryan P. Jolley,
Thomas R. Kneeland, Brian D. Larick, Jamie Leeseberg, Stephen A. Renner
Kimberly McWilliams, CMC, Clerk of Council
Monday, March 10, 2014 Council Committee Rooms
Immediately Following Committee of the Whole
ROLL CALL:
Present 6 - Brian D. Larick, Karen J. Angelou, Michael Schnetzer, Ryan P. Jolley,
Stephen A. Renner, and Thomas R. Kneeland
Absent 1 - Jamie Leeseberg
ADDITIONAL ATTENDEES:
Mayor Stinchcomb, Dottie Franey, Matt Holdren, Karl Wetherholt,
Jennifer Teal, Joann Bury, Chief Murphy, Tony Collins, Anthony Jones,
Niel Jurist, General Williams, Clerk McWilliams, City Attorney Ewald,
Press.
DISCUSSION ITEMS:
1. ECONOMIC STRATEGIC PLANNING
Collins said they sent Suppliers, Inputs, Process, Outputs and
Customers (SIPOC) document on Friday; we brainstormed the
process; took that and put it in rough draft format; is a live document.
Teal referenced SIPOC and the main pieces of the process; each of
those process pieces are their own processes we need to work
through; may influence one another; wanted to start with a rough
timeline; distributed rough timeline draft document; met with Larick last
week; wanted to bring this draft timeline to the group; course may
change as we go but did want timeline for next few committee
meetings; think about horizontal lines as processes; third one down is
reserve policy; want to discuss mechanics this evening; next
committee meeting comes to a point of reviewing draft; process items
discussed were quick turn around items; some have to be answered
now even though we'd rather do it all at once; want to list and
brainstorm those items; then next committee, work through decisions
on those; big conceptual policy questions are the 5th line item; want to
identify that list as we have it now and then next time we meet, come
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up with plan for prioritizing them; stage those questions in a prioritized
order; some items in the operations plan need answers; working on a
template; talking about one-time capital investment; public input is one
we have not talked about yet; know there is some desire from Council
to get out in the streets; April 28th Committee meeting we will bring
forward first quarter financials and performance dashboard; our action
will be to keep updating this. Collins added that we wanted to be
aggressive and keep energy going; look at these items and talk about
them; this sets us up nicely to have a tentative idea in April; this takes
concept idea through a couple more stages; little more clear to start
getting public input; can eventually get it up on website or present it at
different meetings, etc.
Kneeland asked about Reserve Policy and One-Time Capital; need to
have a formalized action plan around those. Teal stated yes but didn't
want to assume a terminal action on that. Kneeland stated his
expectation would be to have that done by June budgeting time. Teal
stated they are very much linked. Larick stated the level of reserve is
the critical part; the mechanics can take a much longer period of time
once we have an understanding. Schnetzer anticipates we'll be there
by June. Teal said we will keep updating and sharing this with
everyone.
Collins stated look at March 10th; first item is quick turn around items;
decisions that need to be made now; like to brainstorm as a group
those immediate decisions; things to come back with an action plan;
may be a short list; example would be the swimming pool; there are
some decisions that just need to be communicated and some that still
need to be decided; first is, "Is the pool closing this summer?"; barring
any catastrophic equipment failure, the pool will be open this summer;
currenlty our plan shows the City will not open the pools in 2015; this
is an example of something that just needs to be communicated;
example of an operational decision that still needs to be made is
investing $30,000 versus $50,000 roughly for maintenance of the
pools this year dependent upon whether we are opening in 2015 or
not; life guard chairs, painting, etc. Teal stated let's brainstorm the
questions tonight and next Committee would be to work through action
plans.
Jolley added Pool Business in 2015 to the list.
Larick added economic development plan (staffing).
Larick stated staffing and operational items need to be on that list .
Collins added Unclassified Staff increase.
Kneeland stated when we talk about staffing in general, needs to be
tied to the department, service, etc. Teal stated that falls better into
changes in operations plan.
Kneeland added the Senior Center; blended use versus dedicated
facility.
Collins added special events; trying to make public aware of it.
Larick asked if there are items from list of reductions planned that
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should be reinstated.
Angelou stated everyone needs to have a copy of that June '13 list
identifying reductions; perhaps we can get that again as well as a list
of items cancelled.
Teal said on March 24th you'll be getting a detailed, itemized list of
changes that have been made.
Schnetzer asked what is your desired medium in getting input from the
public. Larick stated thinking of something outside of formal meetings;
softly structured setting; ongoing means to get general public input.
Collins continued with a vision of doing a public meeintg; similar to
Wetherholt's public meetings; see a combination of a couple of
opportunities for input. Teal said next time we meet we'll provide a
rough listing of those changes; that comes to you on March 24th, from
that point forward, there is now something to discuss; more nebulous
up to now.
Teal continued with a homework assignment; pulled together big
discussion items; provided list of financial forecast discussion
questions; rather than discuss them tonight, take this home; review it;
will track status of these questions. Collins said we will continue to
work on operational definition, combined with white elephants and
discussion items into one list; big questions; these are ones primarily
listed by Council; encourage staff to please put those out there as
well; this is the whole team, not just Council; want to be clear from
staff perspective; this is intended to be an open dialogue; this is the
opportunity to have those discussions.
Larick stated today Teal and Collins gave their presentation for Lean
Ohio; had a chance to talk to Bill Demodovitch; he was very happy
with the input from our folks; the energy in the room between previous
presenter and these two was night and day; exceptional response;
people were engaged. Angelou thanked them for their work and the
energy provided.
2. RESERVE POLICY
Teal provided documents; working towards a number; referenced
bullet point items; pointed out that it is only 41 pages because of
added source pages; shows mechanics of policy and key components
that have been identified about best practice policies; 1. how do we
fund, 2. conditions for use, 3. authority over reserves, 4. how do we
replenish fund; highlighted what GFOA had to say about that topic;
pulled out examples from policies that show language that dealt with
that; plan to talk about each of those briefly then when I do bring a
draft, we could better make a decision about it; first one is funding the
target amount; how do we make sure we have this much money in the
fund; unless we decide that it needs to be 90%, we definitely will have
enough; don't have to be that concerned about how it is initially built
because it is already built; not the case for many communities; when
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there are excess revenues over expenditures, they shall be used to
fund the reserve as needed; that would be sufficient; will talk about
replenishment later; that needs to be more specific. Schnetzer agreed
completely. Teal continued with conditions for use; this is more
complicated; in our conversations, we have been talking about
physical type emergencies like tornadoes or floods but also of an
economic nature; think Mendocino's example fits the bill for me;
speaks to multiple items discussed. Schnetzer asked whether or not
we should create a true emergency fund and then couple that with a
stabilization fund; use the ballpark of 10% natural disaster and 15%
stabilization. Teal stated any amount up to the full 25% would be
available for natural disaster; a smaller portion of that would be
available for economic stabilization. Kneeland stated he likes that.
Larick said it is a fundamental change; would need to document and
structure it carefully. Williams stated percentages based on
information brought back by staff; have to do what you can do for the
City; what's in the private sector has to be covered by the private
sector; very low figure when you look at what might befall the City in
terms of physical damage versus a huge number of people out of
work; the natural disaster figure is really low but other issues are
significantly higher. Schnetzer stated what pops into my mind is a
recession; where it is temporary; losing a major employer is more
catastrophic. Teal stated the good news in that scenario is two-fold; it
is highly unlikely; something of that nature does not impact us
overnight; we would have lead time; think generally we have a good
feel for it; two types of uses; we can work those out and incorporate
that as we move forward; next item is authority over reserves; how do
we get to the money; we have a mechanical project to work on from
an accounting standpoint; should decide whether we are going to
create another fund; that piece of it does not matter to anyone; part
that does matter is how we accomplish that; saw in examples simple
Council approval; think that is best in an emergency. Kneeland stated
think having a separate fund would show our commitment to making
this happen and protecting it; seems like a statement to the people we
represent. Angelou asked about doing away with fund to move that
money. Teal stated that currently applies to our Capital Fund; being a
Charter City, we can create whatever restrictions we desire. Schnetzer
asked what is our current legislation on going below that. Teal stated it
has never happened but from a mechanic standpoint, there are no
walls; nothing in place that would keep us from dipping in there; from a
protecting the money standpoint, that is why this is critical; we have a
preference for a dedicated fund; simple Council approval. Larick said
we need something with the examples; not an explicit list; looking for
guidance for people at the table in the future to use the funds. Teal
said that's why Mendocino's speaks to me; knowing any conversation
about this use requires Council approval. Kneeland referenced the
Mendocino example; liked the limitations in bullet 5. Schnetzer asked
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if it would be beneficial to have some sort of examples for context.
Teal asked about replenishment; mechanism for bringing the amount
back up after spending; examples show a 2-3 year replenishment time
frame; Portland was 24 months; Fremont's was no more than 3 years;
have a hard time saying which one is better; alternative could be to
say that at time of approval, a replenishment plan must come with it.
Schnetzer said even during authority process, in order for Council to
authorize, it would need to be accompanied by a replenishment plan.
Larick asked about "up to" versus "at least" language. Teal stated
many communities have policies in place for excess carryover; so they
have to define if they are going to take away money from those funds;
that is more advanced than we are at this point; if we had excess
reserves, the first place to look for money to replenish reserve is
excess reserves. Schnetzer asked about shortening the time frame
around that so that someone can see it through from beginning to end;
like it to be shorter; liked Portland's example asked how difficult it
would be to find 5% a year in savings to pay back reserves. Teal said
that would be a completely different City than we've ever seen; an idea
is a line item dedicated to fund the reserve fund; policy says we
budget this but can be decided by Council at appropriations every
year. Larick suggested some sort of mechanics of a minimum
calculation for reinvestment along with a maximum time duration for
replenishment. Kneeland asked what happens if we have multiple
items hit the City at the same time; how do we protect ourselves in
those situations. Teal said remember being in Colorado Springs when
they had a mandate to replenish reserve funds and they chose not to;
goal is to make something hard to bust but doesn't have to completely
change who we are as a City if the world changes; other thing that
helps here is if our nut gets smaller because we do less, our amount
gets smaller; there is some elasticity there. Williams said it is really
related to a risk analysis or hazard analysis; if we do that study right,
that will help provide information Finance needs. Teal added it may
help to review this on a routine basis. Larick and Angelou agreed.
Larick said economic changes can be structured different than a
catastrophic event. Teal said can research examples that really spell
that out; see if the structure for replenishment is stricter.
Action: Rough draft of worksheet for March 24th Finance Committee.
Working Documents -
FIN DOC RESERVE POLICY
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Attachments: RESERVE POLICY
SIPOC - 2-24-2014
Reserve Policy Clips and Samples
Rating Methodolgy Attachment
DOC-0055-2014 Reserve Policy Discussion Notes
Attachments: Staff responses for reserve policy discussion 2 24 14 (3)
DOC-0057-2014 Reserve Calculation Worksheet
Attachments: GFOAFinancialPoliciesDoc4AGFReserveCalculationWorksheet (2)
Jayme Maxwell, CMC, Reporting
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Agenda
City of Gahanna
Office of the Clerk of Council
200 South Hamilton Road
Gahanna, Ohio 43230
Meeting Agenda
Monday, March 10, 2014
Immediately Following Committee of the Whole
Council Committee Rooms
Finance Committee
Michael Schnetzer, Chair
Karen J. Angelou
Ryan P. Jolley
Thomas R. Kneeland
Brian D. Larick
Jamie Leeseberg
Stephen A. Renner
Kimberly McWilliams, CMC, Clerk of Council
Finance Committee Meeting Agenda March 10, 2014
DISCUSSION ITEMS:
1. ECONOMIC STRATEGIC PLANNING
2. RESERVE POLICY
Working Documents -
FIN DOC RESERVE POLICY
DOC-0055-2014 Reserve Policy Discussion Notes
DOC-0057-2014 Reserve Calculation Worksheet
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