Finance Committee
Regular MeetingGahanna, OH · March 24, 2014
Minutes
Office of the Clerk of Council
City of Gahanna 200 South Hamilton Road
Gahanna, Ohio 43230
Meeting Minutes
Finance Committee
Michael Schnetzer, Chair, Karen J. Angelou, Ryan P. Jolley,
Thomas R. Kneeland, Brian D. Larick, Jamie Leeseberg, Stephen A. Renner
Kimberly McWilliams, CMC, Clerk of Council
Monday, March 24, 2014 Council Committee Rooms
Immediately Following Committee of the Whole
ROLL CALL:
Present 5 - Jamie Leeseberg, Karen J. Angelou, Michael Schnetzer, Stephen A.
Renner, and Thomas R. Kneeland
Absent 2 - Brian D. Larick, and Ryan P. Jolley
ADDITIONAL ATTENDEES:
Jennifer Teal, Anthony Jones, Karl Wetherholt, Joann Bury, Matt
Holdren, Dottie Franey, Sue Wadley, Clerk McWilliams, Niel Jurist,
City Attorney Ewald, Press
DISCUSSION ITEMS
DOC-0137-2014 3-24-2014 Finance Documents
1. RESERVE POLICY
Teal went through Government Finance Officers Association (GFOA)
risk model; filled it out based on our many conversations; wanted to
answer any questions; walk through what it came up with and talk
about what we do next; there are some additional considerations to
talk about after that; most important place is the vulnerability to
extreme events; Franklin County Emergency Management has done a
very robust risk assessment; when you look at their top disasters and
consider which ones apply to Gahanna, these are the ones that
require consideration; those are risks in discussing with Gen. Williams,
that are identified there; included some data from County's
assessment; in every part of this workbook, they ask you to identify
and assess all your risks and talk about how they are mitigated; how
important is it for your entity to retain reserves to help your community
deal with these risks; kept Gahanna in perspective; probabilities still
are not that high; put us at a 4 based on our conversations; next tab
was revenue source stability; how stable are our sources; real estate
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tax is very stable; has been declining slightly but we have a
tremendous amount of lead time; decreases seen have been very
small; not nearly same scope or size as income tax; charges for
service is a very big component to revenue but we can completely
control that; we can control the expenses and revenue; can not offer
that service; mitigates that risk substantially; struggle with income tax
because of recession; all years since 2000 have had 2% growth from
year to year; stable growth in the big picture; fears with regards to this
source is that our top 25% of employers would pose a severe short
term shock to our revenue system; don't see it being a long-term
shock because we do see those facilities being back-filled; do still
have some lead-time; other component of risk there is the tax
abatement scenario; many are rolling off in the next couple of years;
adds to concern of stability; not in long run but certainly year to year;
looking at Gahanna in context of how we generally perceive our
economic stability, rated a 3 in that area because in the big picture
we're not incredibly high or low; perceived the rest of these as having
less importance; looking at expenditures that we would use reserves
to pay for; all told, could see scenarios where we could up front some
costs; can't see us using reserves for that; rated that a 2; next area is
leverage; are there outside forces that could force us to spend
reserves; pension liability or debt service, sick and vacation payouts
are some examples; rated that as a 2; liquidity was do we have cash
flow issues; don't identify any liquidity risk; rated that as a 1; other fund
dependency came into funding our capital improvement fund; street
and state highway funds; could call upon general fund for assistance;
didn't see the emergency reserve being the first place we'd look; street
and state highway overtime supplemental would be the kind of thing
this might be speaking to; rated that a 3; growth risks were asking
questions about investments that would be paid off later; didn't see the
fund going in that direction; do have identified potential infrastructure
investments; rated that a 2; finally, capital projects; do we have high
priority capital improvement that doesn't have a fund source; still don't
see us using emergency reserve to fund regular capital needs; rated
that as a 2; that tallies up to a 19; 19 encourages us to have a total
reserve of 17-25%; validated exactly what we are doing; have some
additional caveats; our score stayed at a 19; could correlate the score
with a number; any questions about all of this.
Leeseberg said we keep talking about limited land available; we are
going to run out of growth; can we realistically expect that growth and
for how long. Teal said when we identified that we have close to 300
remaining acres left; hitting built out completely would happen far
outside our forecast window; seeing the way we have recovered from
recession strongly; don't have a medium term concern about that; do
need to look at this again in 10-15 years; will have plenty of warning;
we are agile with expenditures and revenue streams. Angelou said
growth doesn't only mean new growth; reinvestment growth can be
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more expensive. Teal said when we are prioritizing where to spend
excess reserves, that certainly comes into play. Schnetzer said in
brainstorming the first rough draft, we talked about putting in a review
schedule. Kneeland said talked about emergency reserve and excess
reserves; from an emergency reserve perspective, we are talking
about replenishing those funds as well. Teal said we have been
hesitant to spend excess reserves until we see a bigger plan; hope
this process gets the policies there and a targeted conversation about
one time expenses. Kneeland said we have a quantified use case and
rationale behind it. Teal said next step was sending this to our financial
advisor, Brad Sprague at Prism; he spoke about Moody's and their
ratings; spoke about the City's strengths and how they would change if
we moved from 25 to 20%; doesn't think lowering the balance would
lower us in the ratings but they would look at us more closely; did point
out that strong management and a low debt burden helps with our
rating; our structural balance is important; creating a model where our
ongoing annual revenue covers our ongoing annual expenses.
Leeseberg said if the lowered amount does cause them to look more
carefully at us, they would see this close management; would reflect
positively. Teal said we made a great impression on our Moody's credit
representative; Schnetzer has quantified the risk of pushing from 25 to
20%; possible it would push us down from AA1 to AA2; could fully
stand behind keeping our reserves at 25%; still within our risk model;
particularly because long-term sustainablity plan calls for bonding a
few key items like Detroit Street rebuilds. Schnetzer said impetus
behind reaching out to Sprague was to get this information; asked
them to run Gahanna as is; this takes some guesswork out of where
we stand; refers to data provided to Council; get a raw number of
2.51; Gahanna comes out to an A1; our strengths are on left side of
sheet and weaknesses on right side of sheet; asked to have our
numbers run if we did go down to a 20% balance; did take us down a
number; would also change a couple other things; only bringing this up
so no one is surprised if we continue in this direction; if we spend
excess reserves, maybe we do that after bonding; we could formally
have a 20 or 25% balance but in practice have it be much higher. Teal
said we can't afford additional debt service 3 years from now; so what
does the bond rating get us; those decisions about potential use of
reserves have to be very deliberate. Leeseberg asked what does
going from a AA1 to a AA2 do. Schnetzer said it is negligible. Teal said
as a City we have moved back and forth; just now appropriately
categorizing our operating cost. Schnetzer said this currently shows us
as not having structural balance over 5 year look-back. Teal said a
good example would be the year we bonded Creekside; we booked
the bond proceeds and expenditures in 2 different years; that is an
example where the data would make it look like we didn't have a
structural balance; now we do a better job of appropriately
categorizing those expenditures. Schnetzer asked if you can explain
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away those anomalies. Teal said yes; it is very hands-on; this points
out that we are sensitive; we aren't so good that a change can't hurt
us; our credit ranking is still sensitive to how much money we have in
the bank; also in a very priveleged position to be talking about being
taken down from the second highest rating in the nation to the third.
Leeseberg said his concern would only be why get more debt when
you have money in the bank. Schnetzer said our 5 year plan does
include some sort of small bond issue. Leeseberg said one of Jolley's
questions in an email is there a way to borrow from a proprietary fund.
Teal said legally yes, don't know that the City's proprietary funds have
that excess; there are things we've never had to think about that are
allowed. Franey said we have tried to tighten up what we are charging;
base it on actually what we need; since it is based on something we
can withhold, we never want to take advantage of that; have tried over
the years to really tighten it up. Holdren stated we need to be
competitive with utility rates. Angelou said there is a period of history
where the rates were raised where the City subsidized the residents
and did not pass rate increases on. Kneeland said it was evident that
Columbus was going to maintain their rate structure. Schnetzer said
with respect to reserve policy; could have a rough draft at next
meeting; do we have a general consensus. Renner said case has
been well made to leave it as is. Leeseberg said have no desire to
move it down unless we have something specific to spend it on. Teal
said if the model had spit out something different, would say let's think
about something other than 25%; after much discussion, think 25%
makes a lot of sense; a lot better from a policy standpoint not to
change it just because you can but solidify what you have. Angelou
said it is a more conservative approach. Kneeland said once we have
that number and can have that separated, going to need to place
remaining fund somewhere. Teal said next steps in larger planning
process are ongoing; other piece is prioritization of capital projects;
identifying the intent of City for those funds; how do we prioritize them.
Kneeland said at some point we'll see revenue shift to where we're on
the upside but we need to be cognizant of that so the carryover does
not go from year to year; have some kind of policy or process of how
much that fund can grow. Teal said in long run that is something a
good stable community might have in place; we are in an unusual
position because we have an excess reserve and an operating
shortfall; there will be a draft for next meeting.
Working Documents -
FIN DOC RESERVE POLICY
DOC-0055-2014 Reserve Policy Discussion Notes
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Jayme Maxwell, CMC, Reporting
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Agenda
Office of the Clerk of Council
City of Gahanna 200 South Hamilton Road
Gahanna, Ohio 43230
Meeting Agenda
Finance Committee
Michael Schnetzer, Chair, Karen J. Angelou, Ryan P. Jolley,
Thomas R. Kneeland, Brian D. Larick, Jamie Leeseberg, Stephen A. Renner
Kimberly McWilliams, CMC, Clerk of Council
Monday, March 24, 2014 Council Committee Rooms
Immediately Following Committee of the Whole
DISCUSSION ITEMS
DOC-0137-2014 3-24-2014 Finance Documents
1. RESERVE POLICY
Working Documents -
FIN DOC RESERVE POLICY
DOC-0055-2014 Reserve Policy Discussion Notes
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