Council Study Session
Regular MeetingGilbert, AZ · April 2, 2024
Minutes
MINUTES OF THE GILBERT TOWN COUNCIL, IN SPECIAL MEETING FOR A STUDY
SESSION, TUESDAY, APRIL 2, 2024, AT 4:30 PM, MUNICIPAL BUILDING I, COUNCIL
CHAMBERS, 50 E. CIVIC CENTER DRIVE, GILBERT, ARIZONA
COUNCIL PRESENT: Mayor Brigette Peterson, Vice Mayor Scott Anderson,
Councilmembers Chuck Bongiovanni, Bobbi Buchli, Yung
Koprowski, Kathy Tilque, and Jim Torgeson
COUNCIL ABSENT: None.
STAFF PRESENT: Town Manager Patrick Banger, Town Clerk Chaveli Herrera, and
Intergovernmental Relations Director Rob Bohr
CALL TO ORDER OF SPECIAL MEETING
Mayor Peterson called the meeting to order at 4:34 p.m.
AGENDA ITEM
1. Discussion on Air Quality issues with Maricopa Association of Government (MAG).
Intergovernmental Relations Director Bohr said Maricopa Association of Government (MAG)
would be discussing air quality. He then introduced MAG Executive Director Ed Zuercher,
Chief of Staff Audra Koester Thomas, and Environmental Director Matt Poppen.
Executive Director Zuercher explained MAG’s region and its role in air quality governed by
the Clean Air Act and regulated by the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).
He shared a chart provided by Maricopa County and discussed the growth factors with
emissions. He noted the Gross Domestic Product, Vehicle Miles Traveled, and Energy
Consumption had increased, but then said total emissions were down because of cleaner
technology. Environmental Director Poppin explained how the ozone was formed and
discussed the challenges of controlling the ozone layer. He said that wildfires had
substantially increased Volatile Organic Compounds (VOC) emissions and, since 2020, there
was a dramatic increase. He added they expected the trend to continue. He provided
timeline constraints with ozone and the key dates of a finding of failure to submit in
November 2023; because of that, it triggered sanction clocks, the first offset sanction would
be May 17, 2025. He said the highway funding sanction would come into effect on November
17, 2025. He said the big picture was for attainment of the 2015 ozone standard which
would ultimately support public health, the environment, and economic development. He said
submitting an approvable plan to EPA would avoid sanctions, including potential loss of
federal highway funding and further prevent reclassification with stricter industry controls.
Councilmember Bongiovanni asked if any states were attaining the standards. Environmental
Director Poppin said some areas were attaining the standard, but areas throughout the
Intermountain West had similar problems with emissions going down but not reduction in
ozone. Councilmember Bongiovanni asked if population was a factor in that. Environmental
Director Poppin said population could be a factor, but also meteorology and geography were
factors. He said almost all of the Midwest was attaining the standard.
Councilmember Koprowski asked about the effects of the ozone on the community.
Environmental Director Poppin said it could exasperate asthma and there were public health
concerns associated with the standards. Councilmember Koprowski asked about the
successful strategies in reducing the ozone. Environmental Director Poppin said EPA’s
standards on vehicles historically had the most impact; he spoke of meeting with the
Assistant Administrator of the EPA and asking for help in addressing the unique challenges
in the Intermountain West. Poppin then discussed wanting to put together a plan that could
make an impact. There was further discussion on the current measures in place and
examining additional impactful measures that would be helpful.
Councilmember Tilque spoke about wildfires and forest management and asked what the
Town’s responsibility was for funding or advocating for that. Environmental Director Poppin
said the Arizona Department of Environmental Quality would be the best resource for that.
Councilmember Buchli asked what could be done about the emissions from forest fires and
how much came from other areas such as California. Environmental Director Poppin said
there were sources that provided information, and EPA provided regulatory relief towards
those fires and could be excluded; he said models were in place to estimate the emissions
from those fires and annual inventory.
Councilmember Bongiovanni asked if the Midwest competed for the same highway funding.
Executive Director Zuercher said in some ways yes, then said there was a formula that was
used. Councilmember Bongiovanni asked if the unrealistic expectations were a way for the
federal government to push more dollars to the Midwest. Executive Director Zuercher said
he did not believe it was that and said EPA set a national standard for clean air for health.
Councilmember Torgeson asked about Proposition 400 and air quality and how it worked
with the MAG 20/50 plan. Executive Director Zuercher said Proposition 479 was about
making streets more efficient for lowering emissions. There was discussion about the ozone
in 2020 when not a lot of vehicles were on the road, and Environmental Director Poppin
explained the effects on the ozone during that time.
Environmental Director Poppin discussed Particulate Matter (PM)-2.5 and explained the
impacts of the particles. He said EPA reduced the standard from 12 to 9, and three regions
in Maricopa County violated the new PM-2.5 standard. He discussed the causes of PM-2.5
and said emissions from woodburning and fireworks were very high during wintertime. He
said recommendations needed to be submitted to EPA by February 7, 2025, then EPA would
make attainment/nonattainment area designations by February 7, 2026, then discussed the
requirements for nonattainment areas.
Vice Mayor Anderson asked if the new standard was unique to the current administration.
Environmental Director Poppin said the standard was based on science; he said the standard
was litigated and the courts would respond with their opinion, then added lawsuits on air
quality standards had not been successful largely because the Clean Air Act only considered
public health. Executive Director Zuercher spoke of past efforts in cleaning dust from the air
and said he was hopeful of similar efforts to meet the standard. Councilmember Koprowski
asked if the nonattainment was due to the adjustment and about resources and funding to
help address the nonattainment. Executive Director Zuercher said the standard was lowered
by EPA. Environmental Director Poppin said MAG had never been in nonattainment for MP-
2.5 and discussed the differences between the daily and annual standards. Councilmember
Koprowski asked about additional funding to address nonattainment, and Environmental
Director Poppin said MAG did not receive additional funding.
2. Discussion on the Office of Digital Government related to the department scope, mission,
public messaging, post content, funding and name of office.
Town Manager Banger provided a brief history of the Office of Digital Government (ODG)
from its inception in 2012 and said during that time there was substantial change for cities
and towns with how they communicated and engaged with residents. He said ODG
supported 17 departments within the organization and discussed Gilbert’s population,
demographics, median household income, median age statistics and said 96 percent of
households had a broadband internet subscription. He stated the goal was to meet residents
where they were, online. He discussed Gilbert’s communications in comparison to other cities
and noted the similarities, then said the things ODG offered that other cities did not were
substantial to communication and engagement with residents. He discussed the level of
engagement across social media platforms and showed benchmark comparisons to other
cities, with Gilbert having the highest level of engagement. He also discussed the digital
engagement of video views, website visits, 311 requests, and newsletter subscriptions. He
shared comparisons of the department size, number of full-time employees, total
communications budget, and population it served, in comparison to other cities. He
mentioned the notable awards and recognitions ODG had received and said other regions
had visited Gilbert to learn best practices and modeled their department after Gilbert.
Councilmember Torgeson said he could not find the mission statement and asked what the
original name was in 2011. Town Manager Banger said it was Digital Government from the
beginning, and before that was known as Communications Department.
Councilmember Torgeson asked how it became engaged in things that became divisive, such
as social media accounts being followed. Town Manager Banger said there were allegations
of people’s social media accounts being followed; an outside firm did a full review and found
no basis for any of those allegations and exonerated the Town from allegations of monitoring
social media accounts.
Councilmember Torgeson asked about conversations that were turned over to Human
Resources (HR). Town Manager Banger said he could not discuss personnel issues, but if
there had been reports of violations, the responsibility was to turn over to HR and department
directors to follow up per personnel rules. Councilmember Torgeson said it was not activism
then, but a reaction. Town Manager Banger confirmed and said either they were tagged in
posts or people brought it to the Town’s attention. Councilmember Torgeson said regardless
of who was speaking, it was a reaction and not action on their part. Town Manager Banger
said he could not respond to any specific incident and did not recall which incident
Councilmember Torgeson was speaking of. He said their job with engagement was if they
had been tagged, they had a responsibility to be responsive to them.
Councilmember Torgeson asked about ODG’s involvement with Economic Development and
how that was replaced with a marketing person. Town Manager Banger said there was
overlap with the work in Digital Government, and the decision was made to separate that
back out and leave in Economic Development. Councilmember Torgeson asked when each
department got an embedded employee. Town Manager Banger said it grew and added as
necessary through the years. Councilmember Torgeson said Fire was the most trusted brand
and their voice was replaced with someone else’s. Town Manager Banger said he did not
see it as replacing a voice, then said the Town as a whole had a brand and residents saw it
as one government serving them in many ways. He said while Fire had a service line and
brand different and unique from Police, they wanted to ensure it was part of the Gilbert brand
and there was consistent messaging and branding to avoid any disconnect. Councilmember
Torgeson said there was disconnect in the representation, and the divisiveness he had seen
was because there was only one voice and reflected that they were being watched and could
not speak; he said it was one perspective reflected through one lens. Town Manager Banger
said the employee worked closely with the Fire Chief and Fire personnel in messaging and
coordinated efforts were part of larger issues in community. Councilmember Torgeson asked
how that related to the Mayor making a public statement and not having access to the
Town’s social media. Mayor Peterson said she had direct access to the Gilbert AZ Mayor
Instagram and X accounts, but did not have access to other accounts ran by the Digital team.
Councilmember Torgeson asked if she felt she got enough assistance with getting her
message out. Mayor Peterson said she did not, but said that was not pertinent to the
conversation. Councilmember Torgeson said it showed the parts that worked well and parts
that did not. Mayor Peterson said she did not feel that was ODG. Councilmember Torgeson
said he felt there was resistance to the Mayor making public statements, to which Mayor
Peterson replied not from ODG. Councilmemebr Torgeson asked from which departments,
and Mayor Peterson said it was not pertinent to the conversation.
Councilmember Torgeson said where there was smoke there was fire and questioned why
ODG was above the Town Manager on the organization chart. Town Manager Banger said
ODG was not above the Department of the Town Manager, but said the organization chart
showed the direct reporting relationship to the Town Manager. Councilmember Torgeson
asked about ODG’s involvement and voice going out in messaging. Town Manager Banger
explained that the job of ODG was to provide departments with their needs in the best
manner possible. He provided an example of a commercial produced for the Ladies
Professional Golf Association (LPGA) Tournament for the Tourism Division in the Office of
Economic Development.
Councilmember Torgeson said he saw things that stuck out but there were things that were
not said, then asked if ODG had involvement with the Municipal Quality Index. Town
Manager Banger said he would categorize it as a coordinated voice and not an individual
voice, and added ODG did not have involvement with the Municipal Quality Index.
Councilmember Koprowski said online media was earned and the Town did not have to pay
for it, then spoke of the importance of the low cost and high value. She said there were
requests of printed materials which were expensive and there was a good balance between
incorporating those materials with key important stakeholder outreach. She stated she liked
the direction of ODG and expressed concerns of maintaining its status and staying innovative.
Town Manager Banger said it was a constant process and analytic tools were used to analyze
platforms and trends. He said social media was a monumental change of how governments
engaged with communities. He added the next big impact would be how to best manage
Artificial Intelligence (AI) for accurate, reliable, and authentic information.
Councilmember Tilque spoke of the importance of the foundation ODG had set for
engagement and said, through the Communications Subcommittee, the Town’s website and
311 feature were being explored and evaluated for updates. She spoke of a Northwest
Corridor meeting where postcards were mailed and said it was used when it made sense,
then discussed campaigning for opt-in options. She said she felt the Town was doing a great
job in getting information out. Town Manager Banger said it would continue to be based on
data analytics, and the Town would continue trying to fill the role for data storytelling.
Vice Mayor Anderson asked about having an embedded employee in each department,
versus having a Public Information Officer (PIO), and if it was satisfactory. Town Manager
Banger responded yes, and said Police and Fire still had a sworn position actively involved
that worked with the embedded employee.
Councilmember Bongiovanni spoke of a compliment from a consulting firm stating Gilbert’s
engagement was impressive compared to the next biggest city, then said he appreciated how
the engagement was fun and involved parents and children. Town Manager Banger
discussed the Parks and Recreation staff who worked together to develop the approach
needed for the feedback. Mayor Peterson spoke of past engagement from the Town on
previous surveys and outreach.
Councilmember Torgeson said he and Councilmember Bongiovanni had asked about
storytelling regarding the Water Treatment Plant and increase in cost, but said it had fallen
on deaf ears. Town Manager Banger encouraged Councilmember Torgeson to reach out to
him and staff if he ever felt they were not responsive; he discussed the robust campaign
efforts from the Town.
Councilmember Buchli spoke in support of the department and said it was of huge value for
the residents; she said she had heard talk about monitoring ODG and asked if that was
necessary. Town Manager Banger said the concerns raised three years ago were evaluated
by an outside firm, which did not find any basis for the assertions made. Banger continued
that ODG, and every other department, received proper oversight and guidance through
regular evaluation of work product and feedback received, then said he did not believe there
was anything further warranted or necessary. Councilmember Buchli said she agreed and
wanted to get it clarified in public.
Vice Mayor Anderson asked about signage that showed where tax dollars were going for
bond projects. Town Manager Banger said the Town was doing that and putting up signage
with “your tax dollars at work.”
Councilmember Tilque discussed closing the gap and adding an extra step to follow up with
information to Councilmembers.
Mayor Peterson also spoke about closing gaps in communication. She said she believed
there could be improvements to ODG, but said they worked hard and she did not have an
issue with the department.
Councilmember Torgeson stated he did not feel comfortable and asked about healing the
perception of what was going on in the department.
Mayor Peterson stated that there were members of the Council who were creating that
perception. She discussed how some employees were purposefully tagging the Town online
to make a statement and to create an issue that did not exist. She said it was time to move
forward, that it had been investigated by an outside group, and it was time to move on.
ADJOURN
Mayor Peterson adjourned the meeting at 6:24 p.m.
ATTEST:
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Brigette Peterson, Mayor Chaveli Herrera, MMC, Town Clerk
CERTIFICATION
I hereby certify that the foregoing minutes are a true and correct copy of the minutes of the
Study Session of the Town Council of the Town of Gilbert held on the 2nd day of April, 2024.
I further certify that the meeting was duly called and held and that a quorum was present.
Dated this __________ day of ______________, 2024.
___________________________________
Chaveli Herrera, MMC, Town Clerk
Agenda
Council Study Session Agenda
April 2, 2024
Brigette Peterson, Mayor ● Scott Anderson, Vice Mayor
Chuck Bongiovanni ● Bobbi Buchli ● Yung Koprowski ● Kathy Tilque ● Jim Torgeson
Members may attend in person or by telephone.
Municipal Center I, Council Chambers
4/2/2024 4:30:00 PM
50 E. Civic Center Drive
Gilbert, Arizona
Study Sessions are open to the public. Discussion of agenda items is reserved for the Council and
Staff. No decisions are made or action taken during the Study Session.
. CALL TO ORDER
. ROLL CALL
. AGENDA ITEMS
1. Discussion on Air Quality issues with Maricopa Association of Government (MAG).
2. Discussion on the Office of Digital Government related to the departments scope, mission,
public messaging, post content, funding and name of office.
. ADJOURN
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