Town Council Meeting - Budget Workshop
Regular MeetingHertford, NC · June 8, 2021
Minutes
TOWN OF HERTFORD
BUDGET DISCUSSION
MONDAY, JUNE 8, 2021 @ 7:00PM
HERTFORD COMMUNITY CENTER(in person and on Zoom)
The Town Council of Hertford held a budget session on Monday, June 8, 2021 at 7:00pm.
COUNCILORS PRESENT
Mayor Earnell Brown Mayor Pro Tem Ashley Hodges
Councilman Frank Norman (Zoom) Councilman Jerry Mimlitsch
Councilman Quentin Jackson
STAFF PRESENT
Town Manager Pam Hurdle, Clerk Olga Simpson
A quorum was present
Mayor Brown called the meeting to order. Manager Hurdle gave the invocation which was
followed by the pledge of allegiance.
RECOMMENDED ADJUSTMENTS TO GOVERNING BOARD BUDGET (3)
Governing Board Reductions: Mayor Pro-Tem Hodges
A. Insurance Benefits
Reduce insurance benefits for Council members going from $34,412 to $17,881.
Councilman Mimlitsch and Mayor Brown have declined their insurance benefits for the
rest of the year.
B. In-Kind Donations:
Miscellaneous Expense Contingency increased from $5,000 to $10,000
C. Reduce Traveling and Training:
Reduction of traveling and training from $13,000 to $5,000
After further discussion, Councilman Jackson motioned to accept the Manager’s Recommended
Budget for FY 21/22 Budget as written for the Governing Board. Councilman Mimlitsch
seconded.
Councilman Mimlitsch made a friendly amendment that his insurance be dropped at the end of
the month. Mayor Brown added a friendly amendment to add her insurance to miscellaneous
for miscellaneous income. Councilman Jackson accepted the amendments. Council agreed,
whatever is saved from Councilman Mimlitsch and Mayor Brown will be added to in-kind.
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges recapped the motion and explained what adjustments were needed to
balance the budget.
Due to the ripple effect and the work that was done, Mayor Brown suggested Council take the
recommended numbers presented by Mayor Pro Tem Hodges. Budget amendments can be
made.
After further discussion, Mayor Brown recessed the meeting at 8:39pm. The meeting
reconvened at 8:45 pm
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Councilman Norman said the motion was to accept the Manager’s recommended budget for the
Governing Board. If Council does not accept it, based on the proposed recommendations, there
should be a surplus somewhere of $8,000.
Point of Clarification Mayor Pro Tem Hodges said when voted on last year, Council discussed
making the proposed changes. What was done did not balance. His suggested changes are
where it says Board Approved. Council will vote on the proposed changes on this draft. He will
change it here based on the vote. As Council proceeds through each budget, he will keep
updating Council with it and inform Council. As Council votes on changes, let us see what
happens as we proceed through the rest of the budget.
Mayor Brown recapped the Motion to keep the Manager’s Recommended Budget for the
Governing Board as written. This will include maintaining the salary, the insurance, the travel,
and training, but not provide additional dollars for miscellaneous.
Roll Call Vote: To keep the Manager’s Recommended Budget $177,997.00. First friendly
amendment: Insurance for Councilman Mimlitsch and Mayor Brown will be deducted from the
$34,412. The second friendly amendment: the difference will be added to the in-kind to be
divided equally. The motion passed 3-2.
Councilman Mimlitsch Nay
Councilman Norman Yay
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges Nay
Councilman Jackson Yay
Mayor Brown Abstain
Mayor Brown questioned if Council is locked into $177,997. Manager Hurdle responded that
they are not locked in. Budget amendments can be made.
According to Manager Hurdle, right now the budget is going to be out of balance if Council
continues as they are going. Council is to review the budget and give Manager Hurdle the
recommendations so that she can review them and balance the budget.
Councilman Jackson motioned to take the $175,000 for 911 dispatch out of the budget.
Councilman Norman seconded. The motion failed 3-2.
Roll Call Vote:
Councilman Mimlitsch Nay
Councilman Norman Yay
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges Nay
Councilman Jackson Yay
Mayor Brown Nay
ADMINISTRATION
Recommendations were made by Mayor Pro Tem Hodges and Mayor Brown. The difference is
approximately $12,000
Added $1,000 – Basketball Court Lighting, Utilities
$2,500 – Missing Mill Park Renovations
$5,000 – Misc. Expense Contingency (set aside funding for youth programming at
Mayor’s request or whatever else Council elects to use for during the year)
Councilman Norman motioned to keep the Manager’s recommended budget and if these other
items are to be added, and if additional funding is needed, the individuals that want to see these
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monies put in, find a grant and/or do fundraisers to get the additional money. Councilman
Jackson seconded. The motion failed 3-2
Roll Call Vote:
Councilman Mimlitsch Nay
Councilman Norman Yay
Councilman Jackson Yay
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges Nay
Mayor Brown Nay
Councilman Mimlitsch motioned to approve the Board recommended amount. Mayor Pro Tem
Hodges seconded.
Councilman Jackson requested that the money promised to be given to Makea Slade be
retained in the budget.
After stating the budget will be thrown out of balance by $8,500, Councilman Norman made a
friendly amendment: Because he knows the changes will throw the budget out of balance, and
Council agreed to take the governmental budget as is, Councilman Norman is willing to take the
$3,500 out of his salary to make up difference for the utilities, electricity, maintenance and park.
Councilman Mimlitsch declined the friendly amendment. He is agreeable with doing fund raising
to offset some of this in the future. As far as the budget is concerned, he is going to leave the
numbers alone. The motion passed 3-2
Roll Call Vote:
Councilman Mimlitsch Yay
Councilman Norman Nay
Councilman Jackson Nay
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges Yay
Mayor Brown Yay
PUBLIC SAFETY
Councilman Mimlitsch motioned to accept the Manager’s recommended $350,000 for Public
Safety. Mayor Pro Tem Hodges seconded. Councilman Jackson said this is a contractual
agreement for an outsourced service and needs to go under contractual obligations. The
motion was seconded and passed 4-1
Roll Call Vote:
Councilman Mimlitsch Yay
Councilman Norman Yay
Councilman Jackson Nay
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges Yay
Mayor Brown Yay
FIRE DEPARTMENT
According to MayorPro Tem Hodgoes, Council withdrew from the 911 contract and there is a
projected $1 per call increase.
Councilman Mimlitsch motioned to accept the Fire Department Board Approved 2021/2022
Budget. Mayor Pro-Tem Hodges seconded the motion. The motion passed 4-1
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Roll Call Vote:
Councilman Mimlitsch Yay
Councilman Norman Yay
Councilman Jackson Nay
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges Yay
Mayor Brown Yay
STREET EXPENDITURES
Mayor Pro Tem moved the $200,090 through departments and most of that ends up in streets
and planning. He increased it to address streets, curbs, sidewalks, gutters and supplement
funds. Councilman Mimlitsch motioned to approve the Board Recommended Budget. Mayor
Pro Tem Hodges seconded the motion. According to Manager Hurdle, the ice plant figure is
incorrect, it needs to be changed to $19,400. Mayor Pro Tem Hodges and Councilman
Mimlitsch agreed to a friendly amendment to correct the ice plant figure. The motion passed 3-2
Roll Call Vote:
Councilman Mimlitsch Yay
Councilman Norman Nay
Councilman Jackson Nay
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges Yay
Mayor Brown Yay
SANITATION
No changes were made.
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges motioned to accept Manager’s Recommended Budget for Sanitation.
Councilman seconded. The motion passed 4 -1
Roll Call Vote:
Councilman Mimlitsch Yay
Councilman Norman Yay
Councilman Jackson Nay
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges Yay
Mayor Brown Yay
SUPPORT
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges stated this item was the total to be paid for the dispatch bill.
Councilman Jackson questioned the $87,000 bill sent to the Town and the 911 Center was not
used. Councilman Jackson reminded Mayor Pro Tem Hodges said in the last meeting that the
911 bill was dead. Now, it is being said Council is going to pay them. Councilman Jackson
requested the numbers for the 5% tax increase. Councilman Jackson wanted to table this item
until the next meeting but did not make a motion. Mayor Pro Tem Hodges motioned to approve
the budget for support as presented by the Manager.
Councilman Jackson said he would like to table. Councilman Norman seconded. No vote was
taken n this matter.
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges motioned to approve the budget for support as presented by the
Manager. Councilman Mimlitsch seconded.
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Councilman Jackson explained the 911 process and asked how Council justifies giving them
$87,000 while rising water and sewer rates.
Councilman Norman wants the 911 dispatch placed on the agenda for Monday’s meeting.
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges explained the invoice cost of the 911 outstanding balance and the
raising of water and sewer rates. The motion passed 3-2
Roll Call Vote:
Councilman Mimlitsch yay
Councilman Norman nay
Councilman Jackson nay
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges yay
Mayor Brown yay
Mayor Brown requested a five-minute recess. Council went into recess for five minutes at 10:30
p.m. and reconvened at 10:35pm
CEMETERY
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges said the bids for the cemetery contract came in between $40,000 -
$47,000. He placed the figure as $43,000. It is up from the $35,500. Mayor Pro Tem Hodges
moved that Council accept the amount on the screen. Councilman Mimlitsch seconded. Mayor
Pro Tem Hodges amended his motion and changed the figure to $40,000. The motion passed
4-1.
Roll Call Vote:
Councilman Mimlitsch Yay
Councilman Norman Yay
Councilman Jackson Nay
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges Yay
Mayor Brown Yay
DMV
No changes were made to the DMV Budget.
Councilman Mimlitsch motion to accept the DMV Budget as presented. Mayor Pro Tem Hodges
seconded. Councilman Norman: questioned the increase and wanted to know where is the rest
of the salary for the DMV. According to Manager Hurdle, the figures are showing funding for the
portion of the DMV salary plus a part-time DMV clerk. You are seeing a percentage in DMV
salary and other departments. The DMV only gets paid a percentage and the rest of the salary
comes from another source. The motion passed 5-0
Roll Call Vote:
Councilman Mimlitsch yay
Councilman Norman Yay
Councilman Jackson Yay
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges Yay
Mayor Brown Yay
PLANNING AND MAIN STREET
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges stated three changes:
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$2,000 for Street beautification projects; $1,500 for town signage and improvements, $40,000
for the demolition of structures, and $83,451 for grant matching or for whatever Council elects to
use it. This will balance the entire budget.
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges motion to approve the Board approved budget.
Manager Hurdle asked Council to take some of the $100,000 from planning and earmark it for
renovation of the police department building. Councilman Jackson was totally against it .
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges agreed with Councilman Jackson and preferred not to change anything
until he saw a renovation plan. It needs to be place in Administration. According to Manager
Hurdle, there is already repairs identified for the building. According to Mayor Brown, we can
move it for maintenance and repairs. The building should be occupied. That can be through a
budget amendment. The motion was approved 3-2.
Roll Call Vote:
Councilman Mimlitsch Yay
Councilman Norman Nay
Councilman Jackson Nay
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges Yay
Mayor Brown Yay
ELECTRIC
No change for electric
Councilman Jackson motioned to accept Manager Hurdle’s recommended budget for electric.
Councilman Mimlitsch seconded. The motion passed 5-0
Roll Call Vote:
Councilman Mimlitsch Yay
Councilman Norman Yay
Councilman Jackson Yay
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges Yay
Mayor Brown Yay
WATER & SEWER
No changes were made for water and sewer.
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges explained the current system and a potential rate schedule to eliminate
the system now in place. . He suggested the rates be based on usage and implementing a
tiered system and charging the facility that has multiple residents. If a system like this is done,
resident’s rates may increase some but not dramatically. This will spread the burden to
institutions and businesses that can afford to pay.
Councilman Norman: the biggest problem is the bills are already too high for residents.
Businesses should be charged differently because they can afford it more than citizens and they
may use the expense as a tax write off, citizens cannot. He reminded Council that they still
have not dealt with the Winfall issue.
Councilman Jackson motioned to adjourn. Mayor Pro Tem Hodges seconded.
Mayor Brown asked what is the next step? Council needs to send Manager Hurdle the Board
vote on Budget and come back with a decision on the water and sewer part of the budget.
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges talked about selecting a rate because Manager Hurdle cannot have a
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budget to approve without the rate. Councilman Jackson wants to run it by other elected
officials before he makes a decision. Mayor Brown suggested, if put on the Agenda for Monday,
Council can call one another or email their vote or suggestions prior to Monday so that the
governing board will be ready to accept or reject the recommendations. Councilman Norman
stated that will not happen. The motion to adjourn passed 5-0
Roll Call Vote:
Councilman Mimlitsch Yay
Councilman Norman Yay
Councilman Jackson Yay
Mayor Pro Tem Hodges Yay
Mayor Brown Yay
The meeting adjourned at 11:27pm
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