Board of Commissioners Special Meeting
Special MeetingMadeira Beach, FL · February 25, 2019
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BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
SPECIAL MEETING
FEBRUARY 25, 2019
A special meeting of the City of Madeira Beach Board of Commissioners was held at 6:00 p.m.
on February 25, 2019 in the Patricia Shontz Commission Chambers at City Hall, located at 300
Municipal Drive, Madeira Beach, Florida.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Maggi Black, Mayor
Nancy Hodges, Commissioner District 2
John Douthirt, Commissioner District 4
MEMBERS ABSENT: Deby Weinstein, Vice-Mayor/Commissioner District 1
Commissioner Di strict 3 - Vacant
CITY STAFF PRESENT: Jonathan Evans, City Manager
Clara VanBlargan, City Clerk
Ralf Brookes, City Attorney
1. CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Black called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
2. ROLLCALL
City Clerk Clara VanBlargan called the roll.
3. PUBLIC COMMENT
Chuck Lambert, 565 Crystal Drive, thanked the Board, City Manager, and City staff for their work
in bringing stability back to Madeira Beach, making the municipal government transparent and
accountable, and thanked Commissioner Douthirt for hi s help in getting the Crystal Island
residents' concerns heard at the meetings.
Ron Llauget, 1323 1, Gulf Lane, commented on previous meetings he had with the City regarding
previous repaving of Gulf Lane and explained the road problems there.
Ginger Tolliver, 814 Bay Point Drive, commented on how Bay Point Drive needed road
improvements.
4. AGENDA ITEM TOPICS
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A. Roadway Project Funding and Authorizations Request - Jonathan Evans, City
Manager
City Manager Jonathan Evans reviewed the following staff memo provided in the meeting agenda
packet:
[Begin staff memo]
"Background
The City of Madeira Beach recently held a public meeting on February 13, 2019, to
address growing concerns regarding the roadways on Crystal Island. The major
concerns are with Crystal Dr., Flamingo Dr., Lillian Dr., and John's Pass Ave.
Residents are concerned about localized flooding, significant cracking resulting in
potholes, and other components associated with aging infrastructure. The project's
objective to rebuild all the roadways on Crystal Island is projected to cost
approximately $7.5 million, which will require the city to move forward with either a
banknote ("loan") or municipal bond issuance. Per Moody's scorecard rating criteria,
the city earned a general obligation rating of Aa2, which is the third highest credit rating
Moody's assigns to fixed-income securities. This shows that the city has excellent
creditworthiness. The intended project aims to redesign and reconstruct all the
roadways on Crystal Island, with pervious pavement and traditional asphalt in the
appropriate sections, as well as to address curb and stormwater issues. Because this
project would include major modifications to the way the city addresses stormwater
runoff, the city will proceed with attempting to obtain cooperative funding from
Southwest Florida Water Management District (SWFWMD), whereby the city could
receive a grant to decrease the project's costs by nearly half. The city has been
successful in obtaining grant funding from SWFWMD in the past. Examples of
cooperatively funded projects between the city and SWFWMD are Rex Place, Boca
Ciega Ave., and Boca Ciega Dr. Furthermore, the city wishes to proceed with obtaining
additional funds to address the aging infrastructure on Parsley/Marguerite Drive, which
are both in desperate need of improvements because they are experiencing significant
deterioration. The cost to move forward with all these projects is estimated to be
approximately $12.5 million, just to address the roadways articulated in this
memorandum. However, there are opportunities through SWFWMD.
Immediate Action
Because of the ongoing deterioration and heavy traffic on Crystal Drive and Flamingo
Drive, staff is recommending a temporary solution while the city moves forward with
obtaining cooperative funding for all of the Crystal Island roadways. Staff is requesting
the Board of Commissioners' approval to spend approximately $225,000 to mill and
resurface the roadways of Crystal Drive and Flamingo Drive; this is a stopgap measure
to allow for additional time for the city to obtain cooperative funding from SWFWMD.
It would take 30 days to competitively bid the project, an additional 30 days for
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design/engineering, and approximately 25 days for project completion. The city
anticipates the milling and resurfacing of Crystal Drive and Flamingo Drive to be
completed in mid-May or early June of 2019. Concurrently, staff will move forward in
obtaining the monies necessary ($12.5 million) via whatever financial mechanism staff
believes is appropriate based on the bond market and the interest rates for a traditional
banknote. This process will most likely take 6 to 8 months. The city anticipates
receiving the monies necessary to fund the entire Crystal Island project and
Parsley/Marguerite Drive by October 2019.
From March through August 2019, city staff will also coordinate with Pinellas County
Utilities to replace water distribution systems and sanitary sewer collection systems,
conduct preliminary engineering work, and obtain soil borings to determine soil type
and percolation rate for pervious pavement. Staff will also begin the application to
receive cooperative funding through SWFWMD and explore additional funding
through the Florida Department of Environmental Protection, the State of Florida
legislature via a budget appropriation, as well as the federal government for the purpose
of mitigating the fiscal impact to the City of Madeira Beach.
The remaining schedule for the Crystal Island project is anticipated to proceed as
follows:
• September- October 2019
o Submit application to SWFWMD
• November 2019 - March 2020
o Coordinate with SWFWMD for project scoping and revisions
• April - August 2020
o Submit applications for cooperative funding projects ranked by the
District Governing Board
• September 2020
o District Governing Board approves funding for projects
• October 2020
o District awards grant to Madeira Beach
• November 2020 - April 2021
o Staff prepares construction plans, acquires permits, and advertises
plans for bids
• May 2021
o BOC approves construction bid
o Construction begins
• June 2021 - October 2022
o Under construction
Fiscal Impact
The project's fiscal impact is estimated to be $12.5 million, assuming the Board of
Commissioners chooses to proceed with obtaining funding to address Crystal Island's
roadways, specifically Crystal Dr., Flamingo Dr., Lillian Dr., and John's Pass Avenue.
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If the board chooses to proceed with obtaining funding for Parsley/Marguerite Drive,
the total bond issuance or banknote would be $12.5 million. Staff, along with a financial
advisor and bond counsel, will determine the most appropriate mechanism to fund these
infrastructure projects. Also, the city will be applying for cooperative funding from the
water management district and other agencies. Staff is also recommending that the
Board of Commissioners consider requesting an additional $2.5 million to address
infrastructure needs on Pelican Lane, 129th W, and 13P1 Ave E. By doing so, the city
will aggressively address its poorest roadways. This information is supported by the
city's contractual engineer and city staff. The total debt issuance if the board chooses
to move forward would be approximately $15 million for not only addressing the
following roadways and their aging infrastructure but also addressing some cosmetic
and functionally obsolete elements present in John's Pass Village and the following
surrounding areas:
• Crystal Dr.
• Flamingo Dr.
• Lillian Dr.
• John's Pass Avenue
• Parsley Dr.
• Marguerite Dr.
• Pelican Lane
• 129th Ave E
• 13P1 Ave E
• John's Pass Village
Recommendation
City staff recommends that the Board of Commissioners direct the city manager to
proceed with a competitive solicitation process for an amount not to exceed $225,000
for the milling and resurfacing of Crystal Drive and Flamingo Drive and authorize the
finance director to proceed with obtaining the monies ($15 million) necessary to
address the infrastructure needs articulated in this memorandum. Additionally, the
Board of Commissioners will be provided with a funding strategy for debt repayment
and the short- and long-term fiscal implications to the city. In addition, the Board of
Commissioners should direct the city manager to proceed with applying to S WFWMD
for cooperative funding, as well as to other state and federal agencies, to minimize this
infrastructure expenditure's fiscal impact on the city. The city's lobbyists should be
contacted to request a budget appropriation from the state legislature."
[End staff memo]
DISCUSSION ON ITEM:
Commissioner Hodges said there have been misconceptions about the work to be done and asked
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for clarification. Al Carrier, Deuel & Associates explained the work to be done. Commissioner
Hodges asked the life expectancy of the remilling on Crystal Drive. Mr. Carrier said between 5
and 8 years and sometimes 10 years. With the condition of that road and the amount of traffic they
are looking to getting 3 to 3-1/2 years out ofit.
Commissioner Hodges asked Finance Director Walt Pierce about the $4 million funding for road
improvement that was listed in the Fiscal Year 2017 budget book that was slated for completion
in Fiscal Year 2019. Director Pierce explained that it was a plugged-in number and according to
his research there was no revenue backing to support that number. The City Manager explained
that in conversation with the Finance Director when he joined the organization, he asked about the
$4.2 million and if revenue had been set aside, etc. and he was told that it was only a plugged-in
number. Although CIP is a five-year plan, they are only required to fund the first year. They have
spoken to the City's lending institution about getting the roadways done and they recommended
doing it now, because interest rates will be going up and there are concerns with the economy
backsliding as well.
Commissioner Hodges said the Fiscal Year 2019 budget shows Crystal Island improvements with
a projection date of 2020 at $2 million. Director Pierce explained that it was a more realistic
number. They had originally planned to delay the project, but now see an urgency in doing the
project instead of delaying it. Commissioner Hodges said three projects were already done and
paid for, and one project left to do. She asked why the project had stopped. The City Manager
explained that the funding had been acquired, but not for the Crystal Island project. They were
going through the process now to acquire the money for all the projects so they could go through
the cooperative process with the water management district. Mr. Carrier explained that they could
not start one project without getting the reimbursement to start the other, and that had delayed the
projects. The projects ended up costing about 15% more to do.
Mayor Black asked the odds of getting the reimbursement money. Mr. Carrier explained that in
the eyes of SWFWMD it is a homerun. In the next two or three weeks, he and the City Manager
will start talking to SWFWMD and doing some preliminary engineering to make sure what they
are wanting to do will work. That will be reported back to the Board. Mayor Black asked if going
forward in the future with a loan or a bond issuance how would it affect the budget and the millage
rate going forward. Director Pierce said the bank indicated that the interest rates are low, and this
would be a good time to commit to a financing option and start planning for it.
The City Manager said there are two revenue streams they would be looking to pay the bank note
or the bond issuance with, and that would be with storm water assessments and the $0.50 cents on
the parking that the Board approved in a resolution to set aside $0.25 cents for infrastructure and
$0.25 cents to pay down the debt. The Board could change the resolution to pledge the $.50 cents
toward the debt issuance and that would be about $400,000. The Board could move forward with
the project without looking at the millage rate as an option to utilize in funding the capital
infrastructure investment. Director Pierce explained that the existing Bond debt is only about 2 to
2-1/2 percent, which is lower than 3 to 3-1/2 percent interest rates being looked at now. It would
make more since to pay down the higher interest rate debt with the $0.50 cents, than the existing
lower interest rate debt.
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The City Manager said staff would like to move forward with bringing back a funding package to
the Board that addresses all the roadway infrastructure projects articulated in the memorandum,
and explained the option of receiving money from the water management district, which reduced
the money needed to pay back the debt issuance.
Commissioner Hodges stressed concern that the City would be paying twice for the road because
it would be tom up in 2 to 2-1/2 years. It will cost $250,000 now and more in two years.
Mayor Black opened to public comment.
Chuck Lambert, 565 Crystal Drive, commented that the roads on Crystal Island needed work and
now. They do not need more false promises.
Mark McCleamon, 535 Lillian Drive, told the repairs done on Crystal about 15 years ago and the
bad experience with that on the north side of that road. He said he had 45 years' experience in
large construction and there were two major failures with pervious paving.
Steve Kochick, 15301 2nd Street East., thanked Commissioner Hodges and said that the election
is about two weeks away and suddenly everything will be fixed in two weeks. The former city
manager, Shane Crawford had a plan laid out for the projects. SWFWMD had already been in the
loop for a couple of the past projects and was ready for the next project coming up, but the current
Board failed to continue the projects, which might have lost the continuity with SWFWMD. Now,
it is costing an additional 15% per year and an additional $2 million to the project.
Marvin Merrill, 581 Crystal Drive, thanked Commissioner Douthirt for the action he had taken.
They have waited about six years to get something done and the actions taken by Commissioner
Douthirt helped get something done in Crystal Island.
Chuck Dillon, Lillian Drive, commented that he worked in road construction and pervious
pavement was not for Florida. It will not prevent flooding and keep the water off the roads or
streets. The roads had not been done in 32 years and the $7.5 million project was a waste of money.
Guy Critelli, 13025 Pelican Lane, said he worked with pervious concrete for over 50 years in a
concrete business and said that the Board should consider the price of pervious concrete and
regular black top before deciding, because pervious concrete costs twice as much. Water will not
penetrate through pervious concrete and he would vote against it.
Ms. Watenpaugh, 576 Crystal Drive, said when looking to purchase a home in Madeira Beach the
former city manager, Shane Crawford assured them that the road work would be done in 2014 and
showed them the $4 million in the budget to do that. That work had not happened, and promises
should be kept. She said the cul-de-sac at the end of Crystal Drive also needed to be done because
it was in dire need of repair due to big trucks turning around there.
Ginger Tolliver, 814 Bay Point Drive, commented that everyone needed to work together on the
Board. There was funding to do the undergrounding utilities on Gulf Blvd. and the current Board
dropped the project and caused the funding to go back where it came from.
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Mayor Black closed to public comment.
The City Manager said as they go through the exploratory stage of the project, they would explore
all options to determine the most suitable and most appropriate type of technology needed. A
portion of Boca Ciega is pervious pavement and the other portion is traditional asphalt. They do
not want to put something in place that does not work and to regret it later, and to just try and
obtain money.
The City Manager explained that there was a lot of work and discussion to take place before Board
consideration.
Commissioner Douthirt made a motion to move forward with the roadway project funding and all
auxiliary road projects requested to acquire the estimated $15 million in infrastructure funding. He
added to the motion that they get something from Mr. Al Carrier explaining the difference between
cement versus pervious concrete, the pros and cons of both, and which way they should go.
Commissioner Hodges said a lot of people would be upset that the roads will be paid for twice, but
it was hard to please everybody. She seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL:
Commissioner Douthirt "YES"
Commissioner Hodges "YES"
Mayor Black "YES"
The motion carried 3-0.
B. Purchase of Sanitation Trucks and Containers - Jonathan Evans, City Manager
City Manager Jonathan Evans reviewed the item.
Mayor Black asked why the surprise to the Board and why they were not told ahead of time. The
City Manager explained they could not get the sanitation truck through the Enterprise lease
agreement. When meeting with the management staff at public works, the sanitation supervisor
communicated the series of needed repairs made to a certain vehicle in the fleet. There are concerns
about the down time of postponing the purchase of the vehicle, because it is inoperable. It would
be better to surplus and remove the vehicle from the fleet.
Commissioner Douthirt asked the amount of money that had been spent in repair and maintenance
to the vehicle. The City Manager said he would provide the information to the Board via email.
Mayor Black opened public comment. There was no public comment.
Commissioner Douthirt said if the vehicle is truly breaking down, costing a lot of money, and it is
a safety hazard, he makes the motion to purchase the sanitation trucks and containers.
Commissioner Hodges seconded the motion.
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Commissioner Douthirt said he would like to see those numbers. The City Manager said he will
send it.
ROLL CALL:
Commissioner Douthirt "YES"
Commissioner Hodges "YES"
Mayor Black "YES"
The motion carried 3-0.
C. Authorization to Purchase a Backup Generator for City Hall - Jonathan Evans, City
Manager
The City Manager reviewed the item.
Commissioner Douthirt asked if the generator could be purchased and installed by hurricane
season. The City Manager said they hoped by June 1.
Mayor Black opened to public comment.
Steve Kochick, 15301 2nd Street East., commented against purchasing a generator.
Director Pierce said the FEMA reimbursement money was starting to come in. The City Manager
explained there were restrictions on how the money could be utilized.
Guy Critelli, 13025 Pelican Lane, suggested purchasing solar panels instead.
Laurie Tyner, 4996 Miramar Drive, asked if City Hall would be operating at its max with a
generator. The City Manager explained that most components would be operational.
ChiefO'Neal commented that they were in an agreement with what would be needed to power-up
City Hall. As far as evacuating the area, the Fire Department will stay open. There is emergency
power at the Fire Station. About 20% to 25% of the citizens will not leave town during an
evacuation and the Fire Department will not leave them.
Mayor Black closed to public comment.
Commissioner Douthirt made a motion to authorize the purchase of a backup generator for City
Hall. Commissioner Hodges seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL:
Commissioner Douthirt "YES"
Commissioner Hodges "NO"
Mayor Black "YES"
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The motion failed 2-1.
D. Miscellaneous Construction Project Funding Request -Jonathan Evans, City Manager
& Al Carrier, Deuel & Associates
Commissioner Douthirt recommended placing the item on the next meeting due to lack of
information.
The City Manager reviewed the item and said some of the projects were in desperate need of
attention.
Al Carrier, Deuel and Associates, said the focus is to take care of the Parsley Avenue emergency
storm water project. The engineers estimated the price to be $180,000. The bid came in over
$300,000 and the City rejected the bid. Steve's Excavating is now working on the 137th Avenue
Circle project. They agreed to hold their same prices as with the 137th Avenue Circle project.
Mayor Black opened to public comment.
Roger Pryor, 223 144th Avenue, said if the cleanouts of the drains are done this time, the residents
would like for the contractor or the City to notify them in advance to make them aware of the
project.
Mayor Black closed to public comment.
Commissioner Hodges made a motion to proceed with the construction project authorization for
the miscellaneous work throughout the City. There was no response for a second to the motion.
City Attorney Ralf Brookes explained that there needed to be a second to the motion for passage
and with three votes, per City Charter. The prior item might need to be revisited because the
Commissioner that seconded the motion voted against it, so that item did not pass.
Commissioner Hodges said she was not changing her vote on the generator.
Commissioner Douthirt seconded the motion with the stipulation that they do not go over
$270,000 for all projects concerned and not go one penny over.
Director Pierce said from a budget standpoint, he agrees with the City Manager and Al Carrier.
The longer they waited on some of the projects, the cost will continue to go up, and that is
troubling. Commissioner Douthirt said the total for all the projects could not exceed $270,000.
ROLL CALL:
Commissioner Douthirt "YES"
Commissioner Hodges "YES"
Mayor Black "YES"
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The motion caiTied 3-0.
5. ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Black adjourned the meeting at 7:43 p.m.
ATTEST:
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Agenda
City of Madeira Beach
Agenda
BOC Special Meeting
Monday, February 25, 2019 @ 6:00 PM
Commission Chambers
The Board of Commissioners of the City of Madeira Beach, Florida will meet in
the Patricia Shontz Commission chambers at City Hall, located at 300 Municipal
Drive, Madeira Beach, Florida to discuss the agenda items of City Business
listed at the time indicated below. Meetings will be televised on Spectrum
Chanel 640 and Live Streamed on the Cities Website.
1. CALL TO ORDER
2. ROLL CALL
3. PUBLIC COMMENT
Public participation is encouraged. If you are addressing the Commission, step to the
podium and state your name and address for the record. Please limit your comments to
three (3) minutes and do not include any topic that is on the agenda. Public comment
on agenda items will be allowed when they come up.
4. AGENDA ITEM TOPICS
A. Roadway Project Funding and Authorizations Request - Jonathan Evans, City
Manager
Memo - Crystal Drive Roadway Project
B. Purchase of Sanitation Trucks and Containers – Jonathan Evans, City Manager
Memo - Sanitation Truck and Containers
Sanitation Truck Attachment
Iron Container quote 10-30-18
C. Authorization to Purchase a Backup Generator for City Hall - Jonathan Evans,
City Manager
Backup Generator Purchase Authorization
D. Miscellaneous Construction Project Funding Request - Jonathan Evans, City
Manager & Al Carrier, Deuel & Associates
Memo - Miscellaneous Construction
37 144th Ave Curb Replacement
2017-192E-SP
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