Board of Commissioners Workshop Agenda Setting Meeting
Regular MeetingMadeira Beach, FL · April 18, 2017
Minutes
BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS MEETING MINUTES
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An Agenda Setting Workshop Meeting of the City of Madeira Beach Board of Commissioners was held at
2:00 p.m. on April 18, 2017 in the Patricia Shontz Commission Chambers at City Hall, located at 300
Municipal Drive, Madeira Beach, Florida. Mayor Black called the meeting to order.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Maggi Black, Mayor
John Douthirt, Vice Mayor/Commissioner District 4
Terry Lister, Commissioner District 1
Nancy Hodges, Commissioner District 2
Nancy Oakley, Commissioner District 3
CITY STAFF PRESENT: Shane Crawford, City Manager
Cheryl Crawford, City Clerk
Tom Trask, City Attorney
Dave Marsicano, Public Works/Marina Director
Doug Andrews, Recreation Director
A. CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Black called the meeting to order at 2:01 pm.
B. ROLLCALL
The City Clerk called the roll and all Commission members were present.
Mayor Black she was unfamiliar with the format of the meeting.
Mr. Crawford responded that they typically run through the agenda. If she wanted topics added or
subtracted the Commission will discuss it. They are simply talking about which items will be on next week's
meeting agenda. On items that they are not familiar with he will have a staff member provide background
information. This is the Commission's opportunity to set their meeting agenda. There have been numerous
requests to start the meeting at 6:00 PM. Right now, the meeting is set to start at 2:00 PM.
Mayor Black responded that they already decided to start the next few meetings at 2:00 PM.
Vice-Mayor Dourthirt requested that next week's meeting be held on Wednesday instead of Tuesday.
Mr. Crawford indicated that it is hard to get the City Attorney at the meeting if they change the date because
he oversees other cities as welt. He commented that he is not sure if his Wednesday 2:00 PM timeslot is
open either. If the Commissioner wanted to hold the agenda setting meeting he suggested that they
schedule it before the BOC meeting, so staff would have two weeks to get all required information together.
Mr. Lister commented that he had a standing appointment on Wednesday night.
Commissioner Oakley she was good with Wednesday.
Mr. Crawford said a lot of people are used to having the meeting on Tuesday and may not be able to make
it on Wednesday.
Mayor Black said that they should keep it on Tuesday since it is already scheduled for that day.
C. TOPICS
1. COMMISSION RULES AND PROCEDURES POLICY HANDBOOK
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Mayor Black asked if the Commission wanted to keep the item on the next week's agenda.
Commissioner Oakley said she would like to have a meeting to go over the handbook.
Commissioner Lister asked Commissioner Oakley if she was requesting a separate workshop and
Commissioner Oakley confirmed so.
Commissioner Lister said this item will be off next weeks agenda.
2. DISCUSSION ON FOURTH OF JULY CITY EVENT - Shane B. Crawford, City Manager - Doug
Andrews, Recreation Director
Mr. Crawford said this year the Fourth of July event is on a Tuesday and staff is recommending that the
event be held on Tuesday. An anonymous donor provided $5,000 to offset the cost of fireworks and the
barge. However, the $5,000 has been pulled. There options are to take $5,000 out of the actual show or
appropriate $5,000 from the budget. Last year's show was the best they had in five years. They are
contracted with the same company.
Mayor Black asked if they should have the Fourth of July City event on next week's agenda.
Vice-Mayor Douthirt commented that this should stay on the agenda because they are getting close.
The Commission concurred.
3. WAIVER OF FEES FOR THE BONE FISHING TOURNAMENT - Shane Crawford, City Manager
Mr. Crawford commented that the Bone Fishing Tournament is soon approaching, and the question is
whether the commission will waive the fees.
Mayor Black asked the date of the Bone Fishing Tournament. Mr. Crawford said in early June.
Mayor Black noted that this is an easy thing to do so they should keep it and the Commission agreed.
4. DISCUSSION ON FEMA GRANTS - Marci Forbes, Planning Consultant
Mayor Black asked the City Manager for more information.
Mr. Crawford said Marci Forbes is in the audience and can give a brief explanation of this item.
Ms. Forbes said she is a senior project engineer with Deuel Engineering and Associates and she manages
the FEMA grants and has two contract modifications and amendments that will come before the BOC. She
felt that the workshop would be a great time to inform the Commission of how the grants come down from
the Federal and State levels.
Commissioner Oakley asked if this is a time sensitive issue. Ms. Forbes that it is.
5. FEMA 50% SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT REQUIREMENT
Commissioner Lister said he was good keeping it on the agenda. He asked if they were keeping it at 50%
substantial improvement.
Ms. Forbes said she is covering items 4, 5 and 7. On number 5 they wanted to take this opportunity to
workshop the topic. FEMA has a 50% substantial improvement requirement keeps popping up. It is not time
sensitive.
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Commissioner Lister suggested that they leave it off if it is not time sensitive.
6. DISCUSSION OF WORKOUT FACILITY USAGE
Commissioner Oakley commented that it is not time sensitive, so it can be put on another meeting.
The commission agreed to take it off the agenda.
7. CRS (COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM)
Ms. Forbes said that there were some questions about the CRS program and she felt that this would be a
great opportunity to discuss it. They wanted to get it out to the community as whole, however it is not time
sensitive.
Mayor Black suggested that they put it off until the next work shop.
8. FORMAT AND LOCATION OF WORKSHOP MEETINGS
Mayor Black commented that this item needed to be on the workshop agenda.
The commission agreed.
9. FACADE FOR THE STAGE ADJACENT TO THE RECREATION BUILDING
Commissioner Lister said he worked with Mr. Andrews on this project and does not believe there is enough
money in this year's budget to do it. He would like to take it off the agenda.
10. UPDATE ON SB330 AND LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF LOCAL B45 TAX BACK TO $25 - Shane
B. Crawford, City Manager
Mayor Black said she did not know what this item is and asked for an explanation.
Commissioner Lister said it is a bill that is currently going through the State Legislature regarding and it is
about business tax.
Mr. Trask commented that a number of years ago a lawyer attacked the occupational license making the
argument that lawyers should not have to pay this tax. The lawyers lost. The occupational license name
changed a few years ago to classify it as a business tax and not a license. This bill is attempting to limit the
City's ability to collect these taxes.
Mr. Crawford said it will lower the tax to a point that it would not make sense to even try and collect it. He
would like the ability to opt out of collecting it because it would drop from a $75,000-line item to about a
$15,000-line item.
Mayor Black commented that they should keep it on the agenda.
11. DISCUSSION ON AMENDING 6-2 OF THE CODE TO CHANGE ALCOHOL SALES FOR
RESTAURANTS ON SUNDAYS FROM 10 AM TO 8 AM DUE TO COUNTY CODE CHANGE -
Shane Crawford, City Manager
Mayor Black asked when the county code took effect.
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Mr. Crawford commented that the county code was adjusted to 8:00 O'clock on Sundays which allows cities
to do the same. This is not time sensitive, but a lot of restaurants would like it to change.
Mayor Black said they could discuss this item at the next meeting.
12. PERMANENT LIFETIME PARKING PASSES FOR BOC MEMBERS - Commissioner Lister
Commissioner Lister said he would like to leave this item on the agenda.
Mayor Black said it can be left on.
13. DISCUSSION ON AUTHORIZING EXPENDITURES FOR PURCHASE OF FORD EXPLORER .
Derryl O'Neal, Fire Chief
Mayor Black said they discussed this item in the last meeting and they needed to talk more about it. She
suggested that it be left on the agenda.
14. DISCUSSION ON PLANNING COMMISSION VACANCY-Shane Crawford, City Manager
Mayor Black said they should keep this one on.
Mr. Crawford said this will be a fast item. They needed to fill the position vacated by David Laurence.
15. CONTRACT WITH VINCE TENAGLIA
Mr. Crawford said they can remove this one. They could not come to a contract agreement.
16. DISCUSSION OF PERSONNEL REORGANIZATION
Commissioner Oakley said she did not know why this item is under her because she is not going to
reorganize anything. She suggested it be pulled off.
Commissioner Lister agreed that it should be taken off.
17. DISCUSSION ON PACE PROCLAMATION - Maggi Black, Mayor
Mr. Crawford said this is an issue that former Commissioner Ghovaee brought up. It can probably be
eliminated since Mr. Ghovaee is no longer on the Commission.
18. DISCUSSION ON RECRUITMENT EFFORTS ON FINANCE DIRECTOR POSITION - Shane
Crawford, City Manager
Mayor Black said this item needs to be on the agenda.
19. BOCA CIAGA DRIVE AND AVENUE SIX WATER MAIN RELOCATION
Mr. Crawford commented that this can be removed from the agenda. They have reached an agreement
with the county. The county agreed to replace their pipes while the City is doing their work.
20. UPDATE ON CONTRACT TO UPDATE SIGN ORDINANCE
Mr. Crawford said this was initiated by the fire commission and recommended by the attorney and manager
because of legislation that effects sign ordinances. There was money that was put aside to have an attorney
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to redraft the sign ordinance. He does have the initial draft and staff is reviewing that document. It can be
tabled for a month or two. He would like time to have staff and the attorney review it.
The Commission agreed to take it off.
21. DISCUSSION ON PURCHASING A PUMP OUT BOAT- Shane Crawford, City Manager & Dave
Marsicano, Public Works/Marina Director
Mr. Crawford said this item is time sensitive. This was a grant that was obtained by former Commissioner
Poe. Staff has discussed it and does not believe they need it. The grant is for an 80% match. If they are
going to turn it down, they grant they need to do it now.
The Commission agreed to keep it on the agenda.
22. DISCUSSION ON STATE APPROPRIATION REQUESTS - Shane Crawford, City Manager
Mr. Crawford recommended that they keep this item on the agenda because it will be updated in the next
30-60 days. He said he and the ex-mayor went to the State and requested two appropriations. They need
to watch the state budget process.
Mayor Black asked Mr. Crawford to provide that information beforehand.
Mr. Crawford said will get that information for the lobbyist and it should only take 30 seconds to update the
Commission.
23. DISCUSSION REGARDING EXTENDING THE WEDNESDAY BEACH MARKET PAST THE
MONTH OF MAY
Mr. Crawford said this is their beach market and the request is to extend the time period beyond May. This
is time sensitive. He mentioned that item 24 can be removed.
24. FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM FOR NEW OBSERVATION PIER, AND STORAGE AREA
UNDER CITY HALL - Doug Andrews, Recreation Director
This item was removed from the agenda.
25. DISCUSSION OF RENEWABLE ENERGY
Mr. Crawford explained that they have an internal committee and one citizen that has been discussing
renewable energy options and how it can save the City money. There may be some items inserted into the
budget in this regard.
Mr. Crawford said he has four additional items. He said everyone has been talking about the referendum
issue and development. He believes that they should hire an independent attorney to analyze the issue. If
they put development on a referendum they need to know if they are putting themselves in a liable position
with the two developers who have been approved twice. He feels that it is at least important to know. They
can have their own attorney issue a legal opinion, but if he feels that his opinion is biased then an outside
attorney should be consulted.
Commissioner Lister said he is always open to more knowledge.
Mayor Black said she is good with that.
Mr. Crawford said workshops needed at least a week before to allow staff time to get information together.
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Commissioner Oakley said she did not like idea of having it before the BOC meeting. She said they should
not be discussing items in the future right before they go into a meeting. She believes that they can find out
on a calendar to help coordinate these meetings better.
Mayor Black suggested that they put it on the workshop to discuss.
Mr. Crawford responded that they don't need to do it right before the BOC meeting but could find another
time. He then mentioned that another item to discuss is the rumor of eliminating the building department
and what impacts this would have. There are about four or five employees that would be impacted. They
would need to contract this out with someone else.
Mayor Black said it is just a rumor and does not need to be on the agenda.
Mr. Crawford said they should discuss the ad hoc committees to provide greater structure. This could be
part of item one as part of the policies.
Vice-Mayor Douthirt said there could be a budget committee and ordinance review committee.
Mr. Crawford said they can put this on the next agenda.
Mayor Black said they should put it on the agenda.
Commissioner Oakley said this meeting is full and they should discuss this when they talk about the
commission policy book.
Mayor Black asked when they wanted to have the meeting.
Mr. Crawford said staff can figure out a time and squeeze it into another meeting. The city attorney will
need to be there. •
Mr. Trask said he is available on the 16th at 2:00 pm. He said the Commission needed to make a motion to
place these items on the next workshop meeting agenda.
Commissioner Oakley said they needed to put the petition on the agenda as well.
Mr. Trask said he would prefer the City to hire someone on the outside because people will question his
bias. They could contract with from the Bryant Miller firm as they do a lot of this type of work. He mentioned
that he could speak with someone from the Duane Draper office as well.
Mayor Black said she would like him to look into this.
Commissioner Oakley said she would like the website to be put out to bid as it looks horrible. She said they
needed to have the Wave contract put out to bid. The current company is not listed as an active business.
Mr. Crawford said this is possible, however they do have existing contracts and he will need to check to
see if they are bound by the contracts. The website was part of an IT bid, so he'll have to look into it. They
have a contract for the gym as well.
Commissioner Oakley asked to have a copy of all three contracts by next week.
Mr. Crawford said he can send this out to the Commission.
Mayor Black requested a motion to approve the agenda.
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Commissioner Lister made the motion, Commissioner Hodges seconded the motion.
Mayor Black asked if there were any comments from the public.
A woman (no name given) said there is a big elephant in the room. She recommended that the Commission
decide about the City Clerk and City Manager and that they needed to decide if they are going to keep them
or fire them.
Commissioner Oakley said she wanted to add Charter Officers to the agenda.
ROLL CALL VOTE:
Mayor Black "YES"
Vice-Mayor Douthirt "YES"
Commissioner Oakley "YES"
Commissioner Hodges "YES"
Commissioner Lister "YES"
The motion carried 5-0.
D. ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Black adjourned the meeting.
The April 18, 2017 BOC Agenda Setting Workshop Meeting Minutes were approved on
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ATTEST:
Agenda
THE CITY OF MADEIRA BEACH, FLORIDA
PUBLIC NOTICE
BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
jWADEIRAlDEACiL- AGENDA SETTING MEETING
The Board of Commissioners of the City of Madeira Beach, Florida will meet in the Patricia
Shontz Commission chambers at City Hail, located at 300 Municipal Drive, Madeira Beach,
Florida to discuss the agenda items of City Business listed at the time indicated below.
Meetings will be televised on Spectrum Channel 640 and streamed on online at
www.livesteream.com/cityofmadeirabeach
2:00 P.M. TUESDAY,APRIL 18,2017 COMMISSION CHAMBERS
AGENDA SETTING FOR APRIL 25. 2017 BOC WORKSHOP
A. CALL TO ORDER
B. ROLL CALL
C. TOPICS
1. DISCUSSION ON RESOLUTION 2017-02(BOC POLICY HANDBOOK)
Shane B. Crawford, City Manager
2. DISCUSSION OF FOURTH OF JULY CITY EVENT
Shane B. Crawford, City Manager
3. THE BONE FISHING TOURNAMENT
Shane B. Crawford, City Manager
4. DISCUSSION ON FEMA GRANTS
Shane B. Crawford, City Manager
Marci Forbes, Planning Consultant
5. DISCUSSION ON FEMA 50% SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS RULE
Shane B. Crawford, City Manager
Marci Forbes, Planning Consultant
6. DISCUSSION ON WORKOUT FACILITY USAGE
Nancy Oakley, Commissioner District
7. CRS(COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM)
Shane B. Crawford, City Manager
Marci Forbes, Planning Consultant
8. FORMAT/LOCATION OF WORKSHOP MEETINGS
Shane B. Crawford, City Manager
9. PERMANENT LIFETIME PARKING PASSES FOR BOC MEMBERS
Terry Lister, Commissioner District 1
10. FACADE FOR STAGE ADJACENT TO RECREATION BUILDING
Doug Andrews, Recreation Director
11. UPDATE ON SB330 AND LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF LOCAL B45. TAX TO $25
Shane B. Crawford, City Manager
12. DISCUSSION ON AMENDING 6-2 OF THE CODE TO CHANGE ALCOHOL SALES FOR RESTAURANTS FROM 10 AM TO
8 AM DUE TO COUNTY CODE CHANGE
Shane B. Crawford, City Manager
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