Board of Commissioners Workshop Meeting
Regular MeetingMadeira Beach, FL · March 4, 2014
Minutes
THE CITY OF MADEIRA BEACH1 FLORIDA
PUBLIC NOTICE
BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WORKSHOP AGENDA MARCH 4, 2014
The Board of Commissioners of the City of Madeira Beach, Florida will meet at City
Hall, located at 300 Municipal Drive, Madeira Beach, Florida to discuss the agenda
items of City Business listed at the time indicated below.
5:00 P.M. MARCH 4, 2014 AUDITORIUM
CALL TO ORDER
ROLL CALL
MEMBERS PRESENT: Travis Palladeno, Mayor
Terry Lister, Vice-Mayor
Nancy Hodges, Commissioner District 2
Elaine Poe, Commissioner District 3
Pat Shontz, Commissioner District 4
STAFF PRESENT: Shane Crawford, City Manager (CM)
Thomas Trask, City Attorney (CA)
Aimee Servedio, City Clerk (CC)
Dave Marsicano, Central Services Director (CSD)
Vince Tenaglia, Finance Director (FD)
Derry! O'Neal, Fire Chief (FC)
1. TOPICS:
A. DISCUSSION ON "SOBER HOUSES" AND THEIR POTENTIAL AFFECT ON MADEIRA BEACH
Commissioner, Elaine Poe
Commissioner Poe: Explained that on her recent trip to Tallahassee, she was asked to do some research on sober houses.
These are basically unregulated halfway houses in residential neighborhoods that are rented to people coming out of jail or
rehab center for $200-300 a week depending on the size of the house. Property owners take the kitchens out and stack the
house with bunk beds to house as many as possible. There have been many problems experienced with these houses in
Delray, Daytona Beach, Miami, and in St. Petersburg. There are not any here in Madeira Beach, there is an office for a sober
house but the actual facility itself is located elsewhere. These houses are being used by people who can't afford the mortgage
and don't really care about how it affects the community. She wants to prevent such houses from springing up around before
they become an issue. She proposes that the City reassess the definition of family that is covered in the code of ordinances.
Commissioner Hodges: Who is paying the $200-300 a week to live in these facilities?
Commissioner Poe: The government pays it. There is a bill in Tallahassee that tries to get the Department of Children and
Families (DCF) to regulate the houses, DCF currenfly does not and we need to fight for that. As of now, basically any property
owner can start putting multiple people in these houses.
Commissioner Hodges: So the plan is to watch to make sure that remodeling, like kitchens being taken out, doesn't happen and
that multiple people aren't being moved in?
Commissioner Poe: No, we need to get this ordinance done proactively so this doesn't happen to begin with. We need to make
it clear that we don't want these houses and the problems they create in our neighborhoods.
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Mayor Palladeno: Wanted to clarify that the office on Duhme Road is not a sober house itself but an office.
CM: He agrees with Commissioner Poe's proactive approach on the matter. He suggests that the CA Trask draft some
paperwork as a start. He also wants to go over what is currently stated in the City Code in regards to this to see what is already
available in dealing with this issue.
Commissioner Poe: There are a couple of things on the books that she wants to send the CA. We already have 'family' defined
so that can be useful.
CA: Agrees that he can look over the information that Commissioner Poe described and get briefed on what is already available
and what can be added or changed. He'll be happy to work out some language to present to the next meeting and if the
Commissioner has any new information from Tallahassee to forward it to him.
V-M Lister: Explains that we need to be careful with who we do and do not allow in the City, we can't just close the doors to
people. He understands that problems can arise from these houses but there are some really good people trying to better
themselves through these facilities. He wants to make sure that the City proceeds with caution and does not want this to turn
into a slippery slope of over-regulation. It is the responsibility of the City to ensure public safety and welfare and we will be
diligent with that. If we could enforce everything we have on the books, there would be no problems. We need to make sure if
this does continue, that it is feasible enforceable. He just doesn't want this to negatively reflect Madeira Beach as a place 'where
we don't want certain people.' He'd rather address this with what is currently found in the codes instead of a new ordinance.
Commissioner Poe: We'll have to agree to disagree on this issue.
CM: Notes that both the V-M and Commissioner have valid points to make. There are different approaches, we could, as
Commissioner Poe advocates, go ahead with a new ordinance and prevent these houses from being established in the first
place. We could also focus on regulating the behavior and conduct of these facilities clearly when they do come. He thinks a lot
of this can be worked out after getting some insight on the legal side of the issue with some feedback from the CA.
Mayor Palladeno: There is a consensus among the Board that they will move forward and get some feedback from the CA.
B. DISCUSSION REGARDING SPEC APPROVAL FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT VEHICLES
City Manager, Shane Crawford
CM: In the 2014 budget, the Board approved a certain amount for a specific vehicle but as the year progresses, the needs can
change. The Fire Chief has actually requested two vehicles: one is a beach-access type vehicle that he believes the City is in
desperate need of and another vehicle that does not fit the specific type that was originally approved in the budget. The money
has already been allocated and will not be changed or appropriated, but the specifics of the purchase criteria have and that
needs to be approved by the Board before we can proceed. The next meeting will grant us permission to spend the money
immediately without going out to RFP because the items are on state bids or advantageous pricing bids that we can directly
purchase. Tonight, you will decide whether to approve the changes brought forward by the Fire Chief.
Chief Derryl O'Neal: The amount of $40,000 was appropriated to replace the inspector vehicle. The oldest vehicle is going to be
dropped from the City inventory. After looking into this and the money we had, he found that he could purchase the replacement
vehicle and a beach acoessible ATV-type vehicle to help get patients off the beaches to an ambulance. It is hard to treat and
transport patients through the soft sand.
Mayor Palladeno: Understands that the Fire Department already takes measures to save, such as equipping vehicles by
working with a local vendor and not getting things premade {which is more expensive). He also wants to get more money to fund
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beach and water safety equipment. Emergency calls coming from the beach are getting more frequent and he agrees that an
ATV is important.
Chief O'Neal: The Polaris vehicle was brought down to about $11,000 and the firefighters will do the work and labor to save the
City about $4,000-5,000. It will be about $40,000 for the two vehicles.
Mayor Palladeno: With the discussion on water equipment, he adds that he notices other cities are using jet skis and surfboards
for water rescues. He can see that reducing response times for beach emergencies.
Chief O'Neal: There is some surface water rescue equipment that was put together by Lt. Hutzler a few years ago. What the
Mayor is talking about can certainly be useful for rescues when people are swept out near the pass where it is difficult to get with
the fire truck. The ATV can help get firefighters on the scene before they get too far out and an eventual jet ski could further help.
V-Mayor Lister: Has storage of these two vehicles in regards to space in the new fire building been considered?
Chief O'Neal: Absolutely. The station has been planned well so that there should be no issue with storage for the next 50 to 75
years.
Mayor Palladeno: Thanked the Fire Chief and found a consensus with Board to approve the spec changes.
C. DISCUSSION REGARDING 41" OF JULY2014
City Manager, Shane Crawford
Central Services Director, Dave Marsicano
CM: There have been some instances of bad luck with weather at the Archibald Park for the last few years. He poses a change
of venue with the City Hall building being under construction so they went to John's Pass. It was recenfly brought to his attention
that John's Pass is unable to plan and put together the celebration there so it has now come back to the City. The CM thinks
that they should go back to Archibald, now that it is completed and has a reliable contractor at the Snack Shack. Maybe some
entertainment can be provided, something nice to attract some people. The Snack Shack can cater and beach goers also have
access to Winn Dixie and it can be come and go, and watched to make sure the event doesn't get too rowdy. There is also the
issue of fireworks. The first choice is to shoot off the Gulf but if there is any kind of weather or rough seas, it can be done
elsewhere. A barge will be prepared and the bids for fireworks will be coming in - the usual donor may even donate more to the
fireworks show. He thinks this is a nice way to get a good event at the park but will not be like last year with beer trucks and
vendors.
Mayor Palladeno: The vendor at the Snack Shack coming into Archibald will be fantastic. We have received permission from
the National Park Service to proceed with the vendor; the only thing not approved was a full liquor bar on the back deck. It will
be nice to use to the Fourth of July celebration event to showcase the park.
Commissioner Shontz: Says we're on the right track. It's simpler and we're not dragging all these things to the beach and it'll be
relaxed on the beach.
CM: People will be able to come and bring their own coolers and picnics. There are no boundary fines or major regulations on
where people can and can't set up. He thinks it will create a nice environment to enjoy the beach and park. He also wants to
express that the City is not taking this away from John's Pass; it just wasn't working out at that location this year.
V-M Lister: Is there a grand opening for the park?
CM: The final renovations to the Snack Shack will need to be completed first. The timing could be close to the Fourth, we'll have
to see how it goes. We had to wait for NPS approval after we already have vendors. It should be painted here in the next couple
of weeks, so things are definitely moving forward.
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Mayor Palladeno: Duke Energy was pulling the rest of the poles so that's good to see. On Monday, it was packed to the rim.
There were film crews out here yesterday from Visit St. Pete Clearwater with over 50 crew members filming. The free publicity is
great for the City.
CM: There have been a lot of compliments on the park. It's opened but there will still be some work being done for final touches,
such as lighting and signs. We don't want the entire town ripped up and we'll need to figure out the phase two step of
undergrounding and make sure its planned out and paid for as work progresses. Things are coming together and we'll be on top
of this project.
2. ADJOURNMENT - The meeting was adjourned at 5:30 p.m.
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Travis Palladeno, Mayor
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Agenda
THE CITY OF MADEIRA BEACH, FLORIDA
PUBLIC NOTICE
BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS WORKSHOP AGENDA MARCH 4, 2014
The Board of Commissioners of the City of Madeira Beach, Florida will meet at City
Hall, located at 300 Municipal Drive, Madeira Beach, Florida to discuss the agenda
items of City Business listed at the time indicated below.
5:00 P.M. MARCH 4, 2014 AUDITORIUM
CALL TO ORDER
ROLL CALL
1. TOPICS:
A. DISCUSSION ON “SOBER HOUSES” AND THEIR POTENTIAL AFFECT ON MADEIRA BEACH
Commissioner, Elaine Poe
B. DISCUSSION REGARDING SPEC APPROVAL FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT VEHICLES
City Manager, Shane Crawford
C. DISCUSSION REGARDING 4TH OF JULY 2014
City Manager, Shane Crawford
Central Services Director, Dave Marsicano
2. ADJOURNMENT
In accordance with the Americans with Disability Act and F.S. 286.26; any person with a disability requiring reasonable accommodation in order to
participate in this meeting should call 727-391-9951 or fax a written request to 727-399-1131
THIS MEETING IS TELEVISED LIVE ON CHANNEL 615
Posted February 28, 2014
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