Historic District Commission
Regular MeetingManistee, MI · June 25, 2018
Minutes
HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION
Council Chambers, City Hall
70 Maple Street
Manistee, MI 49660
MEETING MINUTES
June 25, 2018
A Meeting of the Manistee City Historic District Commission was held on Thursday, June 25, 2018 at 5:30 p.m. in
the Council Chambers, City Hall, 70 Maple Street, Manistee, Michigan.
Meeting was called to order at 5:30 p.m. by Chair Perschbacher.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Aaron Bennett, Dick Albee, John Perschbacher, Mary Russell, Lee Trucks, Mark Wittlieff
Members Absent: Vacancy (1)
Others: Mark Fedder (Museum Director), Denise Blakeslee (Planning & Zoning Director) and Lora
Laurain (Recording Secretary)
APPROVAL OF AGENDA:
MOTION by Commissioner Albee, seconded by Commissioner Bennett that the Agenda be approved as
prepared.
With a voice vote this motion passed unanimously.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
MOTION by Commissioner Bennett, seconded by Commissioner Russell that the Minutes of the April 5, 2018
Meeting be approved as prepared.
With a voice vote this motion passed unanimously.
PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA RELATED ITEMS
None.
City of Manistee Historic District Commission
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NEW BUSINESS:
HDC-2018-04 Ramsdell Theatre, 101 Maple Street – Certificate of Appropriateness for sign
A request has been received from the Ramsdell Theater for a certificate of appropriateness for a full color RGB
Display Sign as submitted with application HDC-2018-04.
The location for the sign is where the Historic District Commission has approved the installation of changeable
banners for the Civic Players and Manistee Art Institute in the past.
Xavier Verna – Ramsdell Regional Center for the Arts Executive Director, presented priorities for effective
marketing of the theatre:
Safety
Energy Efficiency
Allowing this historic building to prosper
Xavier Verna and Tom Amor – Amor Signs addressed Commissioners’ questions regarding the sign request:
Hard wired from network
Colors and intensity are fully programmable
Static for at least 15 minutes in accordance with sign ordinance
Recessed mounting location is same as sign posters
Recessed mounting allows for protection from inclement weather
Day/Night automatic sensor
Mounts will be attached through mortar joints
Only one hole will be made in the brick exterior for wiring
Building has unique feature to allow for mounting
Zero lot line does not allow room for a ground mounted sign
Mark Fedder – questioned whether the Historic District Commission is setting a precedent if the request is
approved. Commissioners felt that each new request will need to be looked at individually while being business
friendly.
MOTION by Commissioner Wittlieff, seconded by Commissioner Trucks that the Historic District Commission
approve the request from the Ramsdell Theater, 101 Maple Street for a Certificate of Appropriateness for a full
color RGB Display sign as submitted with application HDC-2018-04.
With a roll call vote this motion passed 5 to 1.
Yes: Albee, Russell, Bennett, Trucks, Wittlieff
No: Perschbacher
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Discussion followed regarding the necessity of updating the guidelines in the future. The possibility of including
a checklist in the updated guidelines would be a benefit to Commissioners, Applicants and the Museum Director.
OLD BUSINESS
Ms Blakeslee reported that several permits were closed out and she will provide that list in July or August.
PUBLIC COMMENTS AND COMMUNICATIONS CONCERNING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA
None
CORRESPONDENCE
None
STAFF REPORTS
Mark Fedder, Museum Director – Mr. Fedder reported on permits that he had issued since the last meeting.
Kevin and Ashley Sellers, 437 River Street – Paint colors, issued permit PHDC18-003
Manistee Beverage Company, 401 River Street – Paint colors, issued permit PHDC18-006
James Matthews, 334 River Street – Brick Repair east wall – issued permit PHDC18-007
A professor from the University of Massachusetts recently spent time at the Museum doing research on the area
and was deeply impressed with the Historic District of Manistee.
Denise Blakeslee, Planning & Zoning Director – Members were given copies of the Michigan’s Certified Local
Government Program Manual. This is a requirement of being in the program and in the future all new members
will have a copy included in their member packets.
Ms Blakeslee requested that Commissioners keep previously provided information regarding the proposed
Washington Street project for use at the July 12th meeting.
MEMBERS DISCUSSION
Chair Perschbacher welcomed Mayor Smith and Mayor Pro-Tem Zielinski to the meeting and thanked them for
attending. Perschbacher also welcomed Commissioner Wittlieff as a new member of the HDC.
Commissioner Wittlieff asked if the visiting professor had mentioned the trees in the Historic District.
Ms Blakeslee asked Commissioners to take note of two original wrought iron electric poles located on the east
end of River Street.
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WORKSESSION:
None
The Next meeting of the Historic District Commission will be on Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 3:00 p.m. in the
Council Chambers, City Hall, 70 Maple Street.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION by Commissioner Russell, seconded by Commissioner Wittlieff that the meeting be adjourned. Motion
passed unanimously.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 6:15 P.M.
MANISTEE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION
__________________________________________
Lora Laurain, Recording Secretary
City of Manistee Historic District Commission
Special Meeting Minutes June 25, 2018 Page 4
Agenda
MANISTEE CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION
Meeting of Thursday, June 25, 2018
5:30 p.m. - Council Chambers, City Hall, 70 Maple Street,
Manistee, Michigan
AGENDA
I Call to Order
II Roll Call
III Approval of Agenda
At this time the Historic District Commission can take action to approve the June 25, 2018 Agenda.
IV Approval of Minutes
At this time Historic District Commission can take action to approve the April 5, 2018 meeting Minutes.
V Public Comment on Agenda Related items
At this time the Chair will ask if there are any public comments.
VI New Business
HDC-2018-04 Ramsdell Theatre, 101 Maple Street – Certificate of Appropriateness for sign
A request has been received from the Ramsdell Theater for a certificate of appropriateness for a full color
RGB Display Sign as submitted with application HDC-2018-04.
At this time the Historic District Commission could take action to approve/deny the request from the
Ramsdell Theater, 101 Maple Street for a Certificate of Appropriateness for a full color RGB Display sign as
submitted with application HDC-2018-04.
VII Old Business
Permit Review
At this time the Commission may take action to close out any outstanding permits.
VIII Public Comments and Communications concerning Items not on the Agenda
At this time the Chair will ask if there are any public comments.
IX Correspondence
At this time the Chair will ask if any correspondence has been received to be read into the record.
X Reports
DDA Executive & Economic Development Director
Museum Curator
1
Museum Director
Planning & Zoning Director
XI Members Discussion
At this time the Chair will ask members of the Historic District Commission if they have any items they
want to discuss.
XII Worksession
XIII Adjournment
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Memorandum
Denise Blakeslee
Planning & Zoning Director
TO: Historic District Commissioners 70 Maple Street
Manistee, MI 49660
231.398.2805
FROM: Denise Blakeslee, Planning & Zoning Director dblakeslee@manisteemi.gov
www.manisteemi.gov
DATE: June 20, 2018
RE: Special Meeting Monday, June 25, 2018 starting at 5:30 pm
Commissioners, a special meeting of the Historic District Commission will be held on Monday, June 25,
2018. We have the following item on the agenda:
HDC-2018-04 Ramsdell Theatre, 101 Maple Street – Certificate of Appropriateness for sign
A request has been received from the Ramsdell Theater for a certificate of appropriateness for a full
color RGB Display Sign as submitted with application HDC-2018-04.
At this time the Historic District Commission could take action to approve/deny the request from the
Ramsdell Theater, 101 Maple Street for a Certificate of Appropriateness for a full color RGB Display
sign as submitted with application HDC-2018-04.
At the June 7, 2018 meeting the sign company was able to have a mobile RGB Display sign for the
commissioners to view. The sign is not available for the meeting on the 25th. Enclosed are two
photos that Xaviar took of the sign for your review.
Ed Kriskywicz is out of town on the 25th and has asked that his request be placed on the July 12th agenda
for the commission’s consideration. Please call me at 398.2805 if you are unable to attend the meeting.
HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION
Council Chambers, City Hall
70 Maple Street
Manistee, MI 49660
MEETING MINUTES
April 5, 2018
A Meeting of the Manistee City Historic District Commission was held on Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 3:00 pm in
the Council Chambers, City Hall, 70 Maple Street, Manistee, Michigan.
Meeting was called to order at 3:08 pm by Chair Perschbacher.
New member Dick Albee was unable to attend the meeting due to a scheduled vacation. Catherine Zaring had
to resign due to medical reasons. There are two vacancies on the Commission.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Aaron Bennett, John Perschbacher, Mary Russell, Lee Trucks
Members Absent: Dick Albee (excused) Vacancy (2)
Others: Kendra Thompson (Kendra Thompson Architects), Mark Fedder (Museum Director)
Steve Harold (Museum Curator), Denise Blakeslee (Planning & Zoning Director) Tyler
Leppanen (DDA Director), and Lora Laurain (Recording Secretary)
APPROVAL OF AGENDA:
MOTION by Commissioner Bennett, seconded by Commissioner Russell that the Agenda be approved as
prepared.
With a voice vote this motion passed unanimously.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
MOTION by Commissioner Trucks, seconded by Commissioner Bennett that the Minutes of the January 4, 2018
meeting be approved as prepared.
With a voice vote this motion passed unanimously with Commissioner Bennett abstaining.
City of Manistee Historic District Commission
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PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA RELATED ITEMS
None.
NEW BUSINESS:
Selection of Vice Chair – for remainder of 2018 term
The current chair was not reappointed by City Council. Under Section 2.2 of the By Laws; the vice-chair shall act
in the capacity of the chair in the absence of the chair or in the event of a vacancy in the office of chair; in which
case, the Commission shall select a successor to the office of vice-chair at the earliest practicable time.
John Perschbacher assumed the position of Chair for the remainder of the 2018 term at the April 5, 2018
meeting.
Chair Perschbacher asked for nominations for the Position of Vice-Chair.
Commissioner Trucks nominated Commissioner Russell for the position of Vice Chair. Russell respectfully
declined the nomination.
The Commission discussed waiting until a later meeting when more members were present to fill the position.
Under the By-Laws the position is to be filled at the next meeting.
Commissioner Russell nominated Commissioner Bennett for the position of interim Vice Chair until more
members were present to permanently fill the position.
Nominations were asked for three times. There being no further Nominations Commissioner Trucks moved that
the nominations be closed.
With a roll call vote, Commissioner Bennett was elected interim Vice - Chair of the Historic District Commission
until more members were present to select a Vice-Chair for the remainder of the 2018 term, 4 to 0.
OLD BUSINESS
None
PUBLIC COMMENTS AND COMMUNICATIONS CONCERNING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA
None
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CORRESPONDENCE
None
STAFF REPORTS
Denise Blakeslee, Planning & Zoning Director – Members received copies of the new Secretary of the Interior
Standards for Rehabilitation, The Secretary of the Interior’s Standards for the Treatment of Historic Properties
with Guidelines for Preservation, Rehabilitation, Restoring and Reconstructing Historic Buildings and new
Preservation Briefs. The commissioners’ books used for the meeting have been updated and they are asked to
update their copies at home so that the most current standards are being used moving forward.
Ms. Blakeslee has been working with Jessica Flores, Preservation Forward to schedule training for the
commissioners. Dates and times were discussed with the commissioners to schedule training that will include
updating guidelines and policies for the Commission. The training will be take place on April 24, 2018 at 5:00 pm.
NEW BUSINESS - Design Assistance – 346-348 River Street (The applicant was not present, this item was moved
down the agenda to allow the applicant to be present)
Kendra Thompson is the architect for the renovation of the building at 346-348 River Street. Ms. Thompson has
completed a request for Design Assistance to speak to the commission about the project. The owners will be
making application for Historic Tax Credits and the request will require review and approval from the State
Historic Preservation Office.
Ms. Thompson spoke of the various components for the project including:
Rehabilitation of existing structure to accommodate the Music Vault, including radio station office,
recording studios, a music performance venue to accommodate up to 99 people, and two dwelling units
to support the music activities.
Work will include exterior façade rehabilitation, construction of exterior decks/stairs on the riverside
and complete rehabilitation of the interior spaces.
This project intends to seek federal (and state) historic tax credits and will be working with the State
Historic Preservation Office in seeking necessary reviews and approvals.
The plans submitted today are not the final version, which should be completed by the end of April.
Following completion of the plans Ms. Thompson will make application to the State Historic
Preservation Office.
Ms. Thompson needs to bring back the final version of the plans to the Historic District Commission for
their review and recommendation.
MEMBERS DISCUSSION
Commissioner Russell inquired if there was any update regarding the Rozmarek properties.
Commissioner Trucks asked Tyler Leppanen about the façade grant policies update.
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WORKSESSION:
None scheduled.
The Next meeting of the Historic District Commission will be on Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 3:00 pm in the Council
Chambers, City Hall, 70 Maple Street.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION by Commissioner Trucks, seconded by Commissioner Russell that the meeting be adjourned. Motion
passed unanimously.
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 3:50 pm.
MANISTEE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION
__________________________________________
Lora Laurain, Recording Secretary
City of Manistee Historic District Commission
Meeting Minutes April 5, 2018 Page 4
Memorandum
Denise Blakeslee
To: Historic District Commissioners Planning & Zoning Director
70 Maple Street
Manistee, MI 49660
FROM: Denise Blakeslee, Planning & Zoning Director 231.398.2805
dblakeslee@manisteemi.gov
DATE: May 29, 2018 www.manisteemi.gov
RE: Ramsdell Theatre
Commissioners, we have received a request from the Ramsdell Theater for a full color RGB Display Sign.
This sign can be programed by a computer that allows the sign to be changed for events as necessary.
The location for the sign is where the Historic District Commission has approved the installation of
changeable banners for the Civic Players and Manistee Art Institute in the past.
This is new technology that is proposed and a copy of the request is enclosed for your review.
RRCA Proposal for an LED marketing signs
The Ramsdell Regional Center for the Arts (RRCA) is requesting the support from the Historic District Commission
to improve its marketing and promotion strategy through the purchase and installation of an exterior LED sign. The
sign would improve our marketing in several ways: reduced digital and printing costs, reduced labor in posting
ineffective sandwich boards, increase audience attendance, increase in revenue from sponsorship opportunities.
The LED sign that Amor Signs would install is safe to use and energy efficient.
The RRCA spends on average 50% of its marketing and promotional budget on digital promotion. Another 50% on
print and radio ads. Our print ads require substantial labor during the year to post around the community and
through sandwich boards. During the winter, the snow will completely cover our signs, eliminating any possibility
for promotion. When not covered in snow, the sandwich boards are only useful if people walk by them. An LED
sign would allow walkers and drivers to read and process the information, which would result in effective
marketing, and higher ticket sales. Time spent on setting up the sandwich boards could be reduced and more
effectively used with the LED sign. It is done from a computer and can even be updated remotely. As a non-profit
arts organization, it is essential that we maximize our marketing efforts. We program 15-20 live shows a year at the
Ramsdell, with hopes to increase that. Promotion for social activities, tours, and weddings is essential as well. With
stronger and attractive marketing, we can improve our ticket sales and passively support local businesses. Most
importantly, our enhanced financial well-being will allow us to preserve the rest of the historic structure better.
We’ve explored other options such as the old Manistee Civic Players’ (MCP) sign, or a marquee like at the Vogue
Theatre. The issue with the old MCP sign is that it featured four theatre productions a year, which worked well
when that was the only expectation. Our capacity and programming need to increase for this historic site to be
profitable and preserved. Hanging a sign like that several times a year would be costly and labor intensive. A
marquee has its cost benefits. However, it is far more labor-intensive and dangerous for the RRCA. The Vogue’s
marquee sign is at least reachable through a window from their second floor. When changing the marquee, the
Vogue staff is always at the mercy of the weather. Time is greatly increased during the winter months. Risk of
injury is greatly increased in windy, or icy conditions. It could take up to 30-45 minutes to complete the work. They
also need multiple staff on the day of so while one person is at the marquee, the other is dealing with customers. A
marquee like that at the Ramsdell would require a long ladder propped on the sidewalk. The Vogue had serious
safety concerns over using a ladder to change their marquee before changing to roof access. However, the RRCA
does not have the benefit of accessing through a roof or window. Having an LED sign would be the safest and most
efficient way for the RRCA to operate. With an LED sign we can replace the message as often as we wish while
following the zoning orders, resulting in more promotion for events and activities.
Amor Signs has also provided insight into the project.
Mounting
We are proposing to mount the sign with painted steel mounting clips anchored to the wall at the mortar joints to
prevent damage to the historic brick wall. Six brackets on the top row and four on the bottom will be fastened to
the wall with ½” diameter expansion fasteners and epoxy. The mounting clips will be bolted to two horizontal steel
brackets that are fastened to the back of the sign.
Electrical
There will be only one penetration of the wall for a conduit that will hold both the 120v primary electrical circuit
and a data cable. These will be hard wired to power in the building and a computer in the basement of the
building. This display is a very energy efficient display drawing only 3.55 regular operating amps.
LED Display
The LED display is high resolution, 10mm full-color RGB display that will be easy to read from both Maple and First
Streets. It is programmable for static messages of any duration required. (The current City of Manistee
requirement is that messages can be changed only once per 15 minutes.) Likewise, the brightness of the display is
programmable. Typically, message displays are set to be brighter in the daytime and dimmer in the evening, and
this is accomplished with a photo cell on the sign. Brightness levels can be set from a broad range, and one level
can be set for daytime and one level for nighttime. Additionally, the on and off times can be programmed as well.
For example, some users will set their signs to turn off at midnight.
Safety and Convenience
Above all, the LED message display is far more convenient to operate than traditional changeable copy marquees.
Changing letters on a traditional copy board located 16’ above the sidewalk can be dangerous. Letters have been
known to slip out of the change arms and fall to ground, causing letter changing personnel to dodge for cover.
Also, ice can build up in letter tracks making it impossible to install (or remove) letters on frigid winter days. With
an LED display, programmers can change the message conveniently with their fingertips from the comfort of their
warm (or air conditioned) office.
Additionally, research has shown that motorists can more easily read LED displays because of the superior contrast
of the lettering with the background as compared to traditional copy board signs. Excellent contrast and legibility
translate to less distraction for motorists.
7'-10 1/2"
JAMES EARL JONES
3'-11 1/2"
OTHELLO
JAMES EARL JONES
OTHELLO
July 1 • 8pm
July 1 • 8pm
One Night ONLY
One Night ONLY
FULL COLOR RGB DISPLAY
LED Pixel Pitch 10mm
Matrix 120 x 240
Dimension 3’-11 1/2” x 7’-10 1/2”
DATE: 2-12-18
INC
SALES: TOM H AMOR
SCALE: NO SCALE
~Since 1946~
GRAPHICS: BIALIK
443 WATER STREET • P. O. BOX 433 • MANISTEE, MI 49660 • 231-723-8361
FILE: RGB DISPLAY
844-922-2667 • FAX: 231-723-9365 • www.amorsign.com
FILE LOCATION: DESIGN \ RAMSDELL ART CENTER
ILLUSTRATION ONLY . NOT FOR PRODUCTION
Existing
red brick
Six 1/2” expansion fasteners
Existing on top 2.5”mounting angle
block wall
1/2” x 6”
Red Head
Expansion Fasteners
with Epoxy Glue
Qty: Six on Top
Four on Bottom
(Holes to Hit Mortar Joints)
Conduit for
120 Volt Connection Four 1/2” expansion fasteners
and Data Cable on bottom 2.5” mounting angle
DATE: 3-6-18
SALES: THA
INC SCALE: 1” =1’
~Since 1946~ GRAPHICS: Baker
FILE: Installation Mounting Detail
443 WATER STREET • P. O. BOX 433 • MANISTEE, MI 49660 • 231-723-8361
FILE LOCATION: N \ Ramsdell \ 2018 Message Center
844-922-2667 • FAX: 231-723-9365 • www.amorsign.com
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