Planning Commission
Regular MeetingMaple Grove, MN · July 31, 2023
Minutes
MAPLE GROVE
PLANNING COMMISSION
July 31, 2023
CALL TO ORDER A meeting of the Maple Grove Planning Commission was held at
7:00 p.m. on July 31, 2023 at the Maple Grove City Hall,
Hennepin County, Minnesota. Chair Lamothe called the meeting to
order at 7:00 p.m.
PLEDGE OF
ALLEGIANCE
ROLL CALL Planning Commission members present were Chair Craig
Lamothe, Chris Ayika, Lorie Klein, Michael Ostaffe, and
Stephanie Tomlinson. Members absent were Joe Piket and Chuck
Lenthe (excused absences). Present also were Joe Hogeboom,
Jesse Corrow, City Planner; Jupe Hale, Assistant City Engineer;
and Scott Landsman, City Attorney.
ITEMS TO BE None.
REMOVED FROM
THE AGENDA
CONSENT ITEMS The following Consent Items were presented for the Commission’s
approval:
A. Regular Meeting – June 12, 2023
B. Popeyes at Dunkirk Square TABLED to August 14, 2023,
Planning Commission meeting.
Maple Grove Chicken, LLC
16501 County Road 30, Outlot A
PUD concept stage plan amendment, development stage plan,
and final plat for the purpose to construct a 2,500 square foot
drive thru restaurant in Dunkirk Square Fifth Addition
Motion by Commissioner Klein, seconded by Commissioner
Ayika, to approve the Consent Items as presented. Upon call
of the motion by Chair Lamothe, there were five ayes and no
nays. Motion carried.
CONSIDERATION None.
OF ITEMS PULLED
FROM CONSENT
AGENDA
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UPDATE ON CITY Mr. Corrow reviewed with the Commission what items the City
COUNCIL Council approved that was given direction at the Planning
Commission level.
MEETING
OLD BUSINESS No items to present.
NEW BUSINESS
Mr. Corrow stated the applicant is requesting a variance to allow
PUBLIC HEARING for a 6-foot privacy fence to be constructed within the front yard
setback at their home located at 6419 Hemlock Lane. The property
VARIANCE owner is seeking additional privacy from vehicle and pedestrian
6419 HEMLOCK traffic along Hemlock Lane, an arterial roadway. The home sits on
LANE NORTH a large 1.5-acre lot and is accessed directly from Hemlock Lane,
with 248 feet of street frontage adjacent to their front yard. The
MARK R-1 zoning designation on this property requires an increased front
SEIDENSTRICKER yard setback of 35 feet. City Code allows only decorative fencing
within the front yard setback area with a maximum height of 3½
VARIANCE FOR feet. In order to satisfy visibility and snow storage concerns noted
THE PURPOSE OF by Hennepin County and city staff, the applicant is requesting a
BUILDING A SIX- 10-foot front yard setback for the fence placement. A 15-foot sight
FOOT HIGH visibility triangle will also be added at the intersection of the
FENCE IN THE driveway, providing increased visibility of pedestrians and
vehicles. There is a retaining wall and chain link fence maintained
FRONT YARD by Hennepin County at the south end of the front property line in
order to support the adjacent pedestrian trail. The applicant would
like to terminate the privacy fence at the location of this retaining
wall/fence as shown on the attached fence plan. Staff discussed the
plans in further detail and made the following recommendation.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION:
Motion to recommend that the City Council direct the City
Attorney to draft a resolution and a Planned Unit Development
agreement approving the Variance subject to:
1. The property owner having the front property line located
and marked by a licensed surveyor prior to installing the
fence.
2. The applicant addressing to the satisfaction of the city any
remaining applicable
comments contained in the memorandums from:
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a. The Engineering Department dated June 30, 2023
b. Hennepin County dated June 30, 2023
The applicant shall acknowledge that Park Dedication
requirements are based on staff review and recommendation to the
Park and Recreation Board and their subsequent board action.
Board meetings are held on the third Thursday of each month.
Discussion
Commissioner Ostaffe asked why the City would force the existing
fence, which was on the property line, to be moved. Mr. Corrow
explained stepping it back 10 feet would provide greater visibility
for traffic entering and exiting the property. In addition, the 10 feet
setback would allow for better snow storage.
Commissioner Ostaffe indicated he would support a five foot
setback.
Chair Lamothe questioned who removes snow from the trail. Mr.
Corrow indicated the City removes the snow from the trail.
Commissioner Tomlinson asked who would maintain the lawn on
the other side of the fence, on the trail side. Mr. Corrow reported
this would be the responsibility of the property owner and the City
would maintain grass between the roadway and the trail.
The applicant was at the meeting to answer questions.
Mark Seidenstricker, 6419 Hemlock Lane North, stated he has
lived in his home since 2012 and was asking for a fence due to the
increased traffic levels on the adjacent roadway. In addition, he
has a small child that he would like to keep safe.
Commissioner Ostaffe asked if the applicant would like to have a
five foot setback. Mr. Seidenstricker explained he would support
this change. He indicated a 10 foot setback would be closer to a
mature tree on the south property line.
Chair Lamothe inquired if the applicant had communicated with
his neighbors regarding the proposed fence. Mr. Seidenstricker
noted he had spoken with his neighbors and they were excited
about it.
Chair Lamothe opened the public hearing at 7:17 p.m.
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The public was asked by Chair Lamothe if they had any comments
to make regarding this application.
No one wished to address the Commission.
Motion by Commissioner Ostaffe, seconded by Commissioner
Ayika, to close the public hearing at 7:17 p.m. Upon call of
the motion by Chair Lamothe, there were five ayes and no
nays. Motion carried.
Commissioner Ayika thanked staff for their presentation on this
planning case. He supported the fence being placed as
recommended by staff.
Motion by Commissioner Ostaffe, seconded by Chair
Lamothe, to recommend that the City Council direct the City
Attorney to draft a resolution and a Planned Unit
Development agreement approving the Variance with a five
foot setback maintaining the sight triangle subject to:
1. The property owner having the front property line
located and marked by a licensed surveyor prior to
installing the fence.
2. The applicant addressing to the satisfaction of the city
any remaining applicable comments contained in the
memorandums from:
a. The Engineering Department dated June 30,
2023
b. Hennepin County dated June 30, 2023
The applicant shall acknowledge that Park Dedication
requirements are based on staff review and recommendation
to the Park and Recreation Board and their subsequent board
action. Board meetings are held on the third Thursday of each
month.
Chair Lamothe explained he typically has a high threshold for
variances, but he believed this one hit all the marks as presented by
staff. He indicated he appreciated the 15 foot sight triangles. He
was of the opinion a five foot setback was reasonable for this
property.
Commissioner Ayika stated he preferred the 10 foot variance as
recommended by staff.
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Upon call of the motion by Chair Lamothe, there were four
ayes and one nay (Commissioner Ayika opposed). Motion
carried.
Mr. Corrow stated the applicant is seeking a development stage
AMC THEATER – plan approval for the construction of a new 5,700 square foot
NORTH OUTLOT commercial multi-tenant building on the north outlot of the former
12575 ELM CREEK AMC property. The proposed development is consistent with what
was identified in the concept plan from 2021 for the north lot and
LLC is consistent with the zoning and guidance of the property. The
PUD proposed development is anticipated to include two dine in/take
DEVELOPMENT out restaurants, whom have been identified within the plans as
Dave’s Hot Chicken and Hope Breakfast Bar. Dave’s Hot Chicken
STAGE PLAN AND
is a rapidly expanding franchise which focuses on chicken tenders
FINAL PLAT FOR and chicken sandwiches. The Maple Grove location would be one
THE PURPOSE OF of the first locations for this franchise in Minnesota. Hope
CONSTRUCTING Breakfast Bar offers all day breakfast food, cocktails and wine, as
TWO well as walk-up coffee bar. There are two other Hope Breakfast
RESTAURANTS Bar locations in the metro area, one in St. Louis Park and another
in St. Paul. Staff discussed the plans in further detail and made the
TOTALING 5,700
following recommendation.
SQUARE FEET
STAFF RECOMMENDATION:
Motion to recommend that the City Council direct the City
Attorney to draft a resolution and a Planned Unit Development
agreement approving the PUD Development Stage Plan and Final
Plat subject to:
1. The applicant addressing to the satisfaction of the city any
remaining applicable comments contained in the
memorandums from:
a. The Engineering Department dated June 30, 2023
b. The Fire Department dated June 29, 2023
c. The Parks & Recreation Department, dated July 20,
2023
The applicant shall acknowledge that Park Dedication
requirements are based on staff review and recommendation to the
Park and Recreation Board and their subsequent board action.
Board meetings are held on the third Thursday of each month.
Mr. Hale commented on the trip generations proposed for this use
and discussed how the trip volumes would impact the property. He
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explained a right in off of Elm Creek Boulevard has been pursued
from the County without success.
Discussion
Chair Lamothe thanked staff for their presentation. He commented
on the sketch plan that was created for this property. He noted he
was skeptical of the concept plan and if there would be adequate
parking. He questioned if a traffic study was completed for this
property, versus just using the ITE manual to set the parking
requirements. Mr. Hale explained a full traffic study was not
completed.
Chair Lamothe asked if anyone has reviewed the parking needs
for each use based on their peak demands, with the new uses. Mr.
Corrow stated he has not taken a close look at the current uses
and their parking demands. He explained this was a large unused
parking field that was proposed for redevelopment. He noted the
Floor & Décor location does not bring in a whole lot of traffic
and have the hours of 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. He indicated the
Hope Breakfast Bar would close at 3:00 p.m. and Dave’s Hot
Chicken would close at 9:00 p.m. He explained parking would be
spread out and patrons may have to walk a little bit further away
from the front door, but staff was confident there would be enough
parking.
Commissioner Tomlinson questioned if staff had taken into
consideration the traffic that was generated by the transit center.
She feared a bottleneck would be created at this intersection. Mr.
Hale reported this was considered by staff.
Commissioner Ostaffe stated he understood there were 602
parking spaces in the parking lot. He questioned if this included
the spaces around the Red Lobster and Malone’s. Mr. Corrow
reported these were included in the 602 counts.
Commissioner Ostaffe expressed concern with how this parking
count would be impacted during the winter months for snow
storage. Mr. Corrow explained he asked the applicant to be
prepared to speak on this matter.
The applicant was at the meeting to answer questions.
Dan Regan, Launch Properties representative, introduced himself
to the Commission and stated he was aware of the fact this was a
sensitive area in Maple Grove. He understood the change in use
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would change traffic and parking patterns. He believed he has
been diligent in evaluating what could come up know that this was
a busy area. He explained he was approved for 7,500 square feet
of building space and this has been reduced by 25%, which would
eliminate one tenant from the building. He reported he has been
sensitive to the utilization of the existing parking stalls. He
commented on how well the Hope Breakfast Bar would fit in with
the existing tenants, noting they would close at 3:00 p.m. He
believed this business would do very well in Maple Grove. He
indicated the proposed drive thru for Dave’s Hot Chicken has been
removed which allowed the space to keep 13 prime parking stalls.
He believed the volume of parking stalls would be more than
adequate. He stated he would be working with Floor & Décor on a
snow removal plan. He anticipated the parking patterns would
change once the new building was constructed, but noted patrons
would be able to adjust to the change.
Commissioner Ostaffe commented on how busy the Dave’s Hot
Chicken was at Ridgedale. He noted this business had 80 to 100
cars moving through the site per hour during peak times. He stated
there would be a significant increase in traffic from this
development for this area of Maple Grove. He explained he would
have liked to have had a traffic study completed for this project.
Mr. Regan stated he did not believe this project was an apple to
apples comparison to the Ridgedale development. He indicated he
would be happy to study the traffic projections further.
Commissioner Ayika questioned if the neighboring properties
were notified of this application.
Mr. Regan explained he has spoken with AJ at Malone’s along
with the general manager at Red Lobster. He stated Red Lobster
has been supportive of this project and asked that they be notified
when construction would start. He commented he has received
negative feedback from AJ but stated he has done all that he can
by shrinking the building size and eliminating the proposed pick
up window, while also seeking a tenant that closes at 3:00 p.m.
He indicated the next step would be to kill the project altogether,
but he was not willing to do that.
Commissioner Ostaffe questioned what potential clients had been
turned away from this project.
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Mr. Regan stated the potential clients that had been turned away
were fast casual restaurants that would have generated even more
traffic than the two proposed users. He indicated he has done what
he could to eliminate conflicts as much as possible.
Commissioner Ostaffe inquired if retail users had been considered.
Mr. Regan commented this was considered, but this was not who
he had leases with.
Chair Lamothe opened the meeting for public comment.
AJ Stevens, 2172 Homestead Trail in Long Lake, explained he
was the general manager of Malone’s. He indicated he was scared
by the proposed development. He noted the intersection adjacent
to his restaurant was already a problem. He did not believe this
intersection could handle anymore traffic. He reported he spoke to
the Police Chief regarding this intersection and they were aware of
the concerns. He understood the developer had the right to
develop this property but he feared these uses would be
detrimental to Malone’s, Red Lobster, Floor & Décor, Rojo and
the Shoppes at Arbor Lakes. He reported the Dave’s Hot Chicken
in Minnetonka was incredibly busy. He stated Malone’s was
something special in the community. He indicated his business
would never be the same if a Dave’s Hot Chicken were in his
parking lot. He asked that the Commission care about the existing
businesses and requested that the Planning Commission not
support this project.
Claire Lamothe, 8512 Oakview Way North, stated she believed
these two restaurants would be great for Maple Grove, but not at
this location. She explained the traffic was already too congested
in this area. She recommended this project not move forward on
this property.
Chair Lamothe closed the meeting for public comment.
Chair Lamothe commented he was very skeptical of the original
sketch plan for these outlots. He reported he was opposed to the
layout of Shake Shack and noted all of his concerns for the project
have come to fruition. He understood these two tenants would be a
welcomed addition to Maple Grove. However, he needed to see
that they worked at this location. He believed the proposed plans
were not proving this to be true. Because of this, he would not be
able to support the project as proposed.
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Commissioner Ostaffe stated he had the same concerns as Chair
Lamothe. He anticipated there would be a very high level of traffic
drawn to these restaurants which would adversely impact the
existing businesses.
Commissioner Klein indicated she was concerned about the traffic
levels as well. She recommended the City not walk blind into this
project, especially knowing the type of traffic this business would
draw.
Commissioner Tomlinson concurred. She feared this project
would create a lot of traffic concerns and anticipated this would
negatively impact the existing businesses.
Commissioner Ayika agreed this intersection a major concern. He
asked to hear from the applicant and how they would feel if this
item were tabled.
Chair Lamothe commented on how the Shoppes at Arbor Lakes
was changing and evolving from the original uses. He discussed
how the puzzle pieces were changing and he wanted to make sure
the pieces still fit. He reported he wanted a real parking study
completed for this project, taking into consideration peak
operating times for each of the surrounding businesses, to ensure
that the proposed project would work. He stated he wanted to see
these two new businesses in Maple Grove, but he wanted to be
assured that they fit property on the site. He asked the applicant to
come forward at this time to in order to respond to the comments
from the Planning Commission.
Mr. Regan thanked the Commission for their feedback and stated
he could support the project being tabled. He indicated he would
have to work with staff to better understand what infrastructure
improvements were being planned for the adjacent intersection.
He stated he would study the existing parking utilization and trip
generation in order to create a baseline for the parking usage. He
commented he would add to this information his best estimates the
number of visits for the two proposed restaurants. He explained
he may not have all of this information prepare by August 14, but
would be back on the agenda when he had the proper data for the
Planning Commission. He encouraged the Commission to keep in
mind that the initial traffic would be heavier when these uses first
opened and this would be level off over time.
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Commissioner Ayika encouraged the applicant to include
information that proves the site had adequate parking.
Commissioner Klein asked that a snow storage plan also be
considered by the applicant prior to coming back to the Planning
Commission.
Commissioner Tomlinson recommended a pedestrian plan also be
created for the site.
Chair Lamothe stated he did not want to see a repeat of the Shake
Shack on this property.
Motion by Chair Lamothe, seconded by Commissioner
Ostaffe, to table action on the item to allow the applicant and
staff more time to prove this project will work on the
property. Upon call of the motion by Chair Lamothe, there
were five ayes and no nays. Motion carried.
DISCUSSION There were no discussion items.
ITEMS
ADJOURNMENT Motion by Chair Ostaffe, seconded by Commissioner
Tomlinson, to adjourn the Planning Commission meeting.
Upon call of the motion by Chair Lamothe, there were five
ayes and no nays. Motion carried.
Chair Lamothe adjourned the meeting at 8:34 p.m. to the next
regularly scheduled meeting of the Planning Commission
scheduled for August 14, 2023.
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