City Council
Regular MeetingMartinsville, VA · May 22, 2023
Minutes
May 22, 2023 Budget Work Session
A budget work session of the Council of the City of Martinsville, Virginia, was held on May 22,
2023, in Council Chambers, Municipal Building, at 6:00PM with Mayor LC Jones presiding.
Other Council Members present included Vice Mayor Rawls, Council Member Lawson, Council
Member Pearson and Council Member Mitchell. Staff present included City Manager Leon
Towarnicki, Finance Director Mandy McGhee, and Assistant Finance Director Crystal
Ferguson.
Mayor Jones opened the meeting.
City Manager Towarnicki detailed Council’s requested changes to the budget from the
previous work session, totaling a reduction of $1,544,494 along with staff recommendations to
the proposed budget.
Towarnicki explained that one advantage of doing the budget later in the year, is there is more
of the fiscal year behind them so the more accurate the data is. Rawls stated that however
Towarnicki wanted to word it, MiNET needs to make more money. Rawls asked for
confirmation that the meals tax policy would need a Council vote to amend the tax percentage.
Council Member Lawson suggested to have the City Attorney approve the meals tax
documents prior to Council’s approval for an increase. Lawson stated that any salary changes
should be made across the board with both staff and constitutionals to prevent additional
disparity with employees. Lawson questioned if the City Engineer could be a contract position
like the City Attorney. Towarnicki explained that contracting with an engineering firm could
run into excessive costs in the long run and not be a cost savings; there is considerable work
for the City Engineer to justify hiring a full-time position. Council Member Mitchell questioned
the cost to reopen the Annex. Towarnicki confirmed that the Annex was built in the early
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1930s but it’s in excellent condition and meets state standards. Mayor Jones questioned the
cost of a single officer or firefighter and if it would affect employee moral to offer the 5% raise
with additional staff versus a 7% raise with no additional staff. Lawson explained that
someone is needed to lead the City when the City Manager retires, especially with no Assistant
City Manager and no Community Development Director. Jones said he feels they need to
recruit a City Manager first then look for an Assistant City Manager later. Rawls said the new
City Manager may prefer to build their team after they are hired. Rawls said that Council had
received information on an interested interim City Manager and that he forwarded that to
other Council Members. Council Member Lawson stated that she had not received that
information and was unaware there was a consideration for an interim at this time. Council
Member Pearson requested clarification on Martinsville Uptown Association, the Incubator,
etc. Towarnicki asked Piedmont Community Services about the opportunity to use opioid
funds but he has not received an answer yet; Lawson says she does not want them to be
penalized if the City is unable to fund them. Towarnicki explained that Judge Greer is on
vacation so he has not received answers related to the Law Clerk position yet. Lawson
explained that if an item is approved one time on a consent agenda, does not mean it was
approved as a fulltime position. Towarnicki explained that he feels confident that the Law
Clerk position is a temporary position and not fulltime but he is waiting on confirmation.
Rawls stated that for Piedmont Community Services to own almost 20 properties tax-free in
the City, seems a little excessive. Mitchell said when an organization is doing its job, they are
basically putting themselves out of work; he questions why PCS is expanding.
Towarnicki explained if Council is ok with the presented budget with changes, the next
step will be to host the public hearing on Tuesday May 23 and approve the budget on first
reading. Mayor Jones asked Council’s opinion on doing the 5% pay raise instead of the 7%,
hiring two officers then giving any remaining money to the schools. Vice Mayor Rawls says
constitutionals are not the same as city employees and in some cases, are not paid as much.
In the future, he feels that it’s an arbitrary rule that if you give one group a raise, then all
should receive the raise. Rawls questioned if the City has the money, is it time for a raise, does
it make sense or is there a huge disparity in the pay gap requiring the City to pitch in? Rawls
said there are considerations that should determine which departments or employees get a
raise and that it should not be across the board. Rawls says he’s happy with reducing the
property tax rate with Martinsville still being one of the lower in Virginia, not using ARPA
money which means we are on track for sustainability, and not all of Council’s suggestions
were incorporated in staff’s proposal which means Council still has a few tricks to offer. Rawls
shard that he would lean toward keeping the 7% since employees almost expect that by now.
Lawson stated that the police and fire departments can choose to make those cuts in other
areas and still be able to hire the extra personnel from the savings; she is in favor of keeping
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the 7% also. The schools will not be without and the City Manager gave the schools notice in
December that it would be a tight budget this year. Council Member Mitchell agrees with the
Mayor about the 5% raise and hiring staff. Lawson interjected, pointing out that Martinsville
City School’s administrative costs are around 7%. Patrick County has more schools and the
highest ratings in the region and their administrative costs are only 4%. She looks at it like
Patrick County Schools do more, with less. This is a tight budget and all departments have
been asked to sacrifice; Martinsville City schools can also make cuts in their budget in non-
instruction ways. Mayor Jones argued the point that in the grand scheme that the City could
add an additional two officers and two teachers, with the extra staff it could make a difference
when a resident contacts 911 whether it takes 2-3 minutes versus 10-15 minutes. As an
officer, he would rather have an extra officer to back him up over a 2% pay raise. When the
schools use a substitute teacher all year, the student scores suffer which can not be reflected
in dollars. Mitchell said in a school system, you can’t estimate everything that will happen so
when Council has the opportunity to provide that additional funding then he feels they should.
Lawson pointed out that in the past when the school had a shortfall financially, then they
came to Council for assistance and the aid was considered at that time. Pearson again
expressed concern for funding of outside agencies over funding a pay raise or additional staff;
she doesn’t feel like she can decide at this time. Lawson says the schools still have a large pot
of ESSR funds, there are a lot of moving parts in the school. Jones says the schools have been
cut astronomically more with this budget than in years past.
Towarnicki referenced what the schools were budgeted versus what they actually spent
in past years, stating that technically the schools were overfunded. Even with money that is
being cut this year, the total is actually $340,000 more then the average of what the schools
spent over the past 4 years. With City departments, if they budget $250,000 but regularly only
spend $200,000 of that budget then they will not continue to approve the higher budget; it will
be adjusted to match what is actually used. Lawson said the schools have positions they can
hire for and charge back to ESSR funds, but Council has never not awarded the schools what
they need.
Council Member Mitchell had questions about the City dam and replacement of the
generators. Towarnicki stated as part of the engineering study, they would need to take
samples before it can be relocated on land; there is 100 years of silt behind the damn.
Rawls said the cigarette stamps have not been changed in some time and Martinsville-
Henry County scored very poorly on the health matrix. Towarnicki said he’s discussed the
stamps with the Commissioner of Revenue with thoughts that if the rate is increased
excessively then people will shop outside of the City. Lawson requested a report of cigarette
sales and the tax received from that.
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There being no further questions or discussion, Council Member Lawson made the
motion to adjourn the meeting at 6:50pm.
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Karen Roberts, Clerk of Council LC Jones, Mayor
Agenda
AGENDA--CITY COUNCIL -- CITY OF MARTINSVILLE, VIRGINIA
Council Chambers – Municipal Building
CITY COUNCIL BUDGET WORK SESSION SCHEDULE
Monday, May 22, 2023, 6:00pm – 8:00pm
Monday, May 22, 2023 – 6:00pm – Council Chambers
1. Conduct a budget work session on the upcoming FY24 budget.
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