Planning Commission
Regular MeetingMillcreek, UT · July 19, 2017
Minutes
Millcreek
3932 South 500 East
Millcreek, UT 84107
Phone: 385-468-6700
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MEETING MINUTE SUMMARY
MILLCREEK PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
Wednesday, July 19, 2017 5:00 p.m.
(Approved 12.13.17)
Approximate meeting length: 3 hours 2 minutes *NOTE: Staff Reports referenced in this document can be
Number of public in attendance: 35 found on the State and County websites, or from Salt Lake
County Planning & Development Services.
Summary Prepared by: Wendy Gurr
Meeting Conducted by: Commissioner Stephens
ATTENDANCE
Public Business
Commissioners Absent
Mtg Mtg
Tom Stephens (Chair) x x
Fred Healey (Vice Chair) x Public Business
Planning Staff / DA
Mtg Mtg
Shawn LaMar x x
David Carlson x x Wendy Gurr x x
Scott Claerhout x x Max Johnson
Mark Mumford x x Alex Murphy x x
Heather Wilson x x Spencer Hymas x x
Dave Allen x x Tom Zumbado
Russ Booth x x Todd Draper
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Hearings began at – 5:01 p.m.
30459 – (Continued from 06/21/2017) - A Public Hearing will be held to modify and eventually eliminate
the M-1 and M-2 zoning districts, Chapters, 19.66 and 19.68, within Millcreek. The purpose of the hearing
is to consider proposed Manufacturing zoning modifications to the M-1, and M-2 zoning ordinances for
consolidation into one single light manufacturing zone. A new light Manufacturing Zone would replace
the current M-1 and M-2 zones. No changes to zoning district boundaries are proposed. The draft ordinance
can be reviewed on the City’s website under https://millcreekut.org/planningzoning/pending-zoning-
amendment-proposals. Planner: John Janson
John Janson provided an analysis of the changes in the draft document. Commissioner Stephens confirmed
that a legal non-conforming use runs with the land. The current draft allows for an expansion of a legal
non-conforming use under certain conditions, subject to a 25% maximum expansion. Commissioner
Stephens asked how 25% would be measured. Mr. Janson said the measurement depends on the proposal,
Commissioner Booth asked if it can be an expansion of a building or site. Mr. Janson confirmed both.
Commissioner Claerhout asked how often an expansion could take place. Mr. Janson said probably only
once. Mr. Stephens asked in what manner is the M zone draft broader and / or more restrictive than the
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current M zones language Mr. Janson said “heavy” manufacturing will no longer be allowed, but many
manufacturing uses are added. The draft language is such that “light” manufacturing of all types will be
allowed, subject to taking place within an enclosed building and not creating a nuisance or unsafe
conditions due to emission of light, sound smoke, pollution, etc. In addition, those commercial uses allowed
in the C-3 zone will now be allowed in the new M zone.
Commissioner Stephens advised that it has been requested this matter be continued to the August meeting
and if any commissioner objected to this continuance. Commissioner Allen said the planning commission
should take public comment at this time. Planning commissioners agreed. There was a short discussion
about noticing of the public hearing and the fact that two separate notices were mailed out, due to
uncertainty as to whether or not the first mailing reach the intended recipients. A third mailing will not take
place, as it was agreed the two mailings are sufficient to meet noticing requirements and the desire of the
planning commission and city council to notice adequately.
PUBLIC PORTION OF MEETING OPENED
Speaker # 1: Morgro, Inc.
Name: Dell Davis
Address: 145 West Central Avenue
Comments: Mr. Davis said the ordinance update and rezone is being rushed through in order to allow for
more high-density housing. Mr. Davis described Morgro’s operation. Many thousands of pounds of
fertilizer and ice melt ingredients come and go from their location, with much truck traffic. Mr. Davis gave
the example of Merlin Olsen having sued chemical companies, alleging that their operations caused his
cancer. Morgro’s ingredients and products are registered with the EPA. Mr. Davis asked if it is wise to
move high density housing near industrial facilities. Mr. Davis and others met at a group meeting yesterday
and discussed the new proposed zoning and think they should form a property owners association and
develop a litigation fund. Mr. Davis said this is not a threat, but something they need to do. They’d rather
spend money improving their businesses to fit into Millcreek. If the city proceeds with the re-zone and
ordinance rewrite, he has several questions about “grandfathering” and legal non-conforming status.
Substantial outside storage is required in order to handle the volume of products, including chemicals for
snow and ice. They plan to use 100% of their property to put pallets on, equaling up to 400 semi-truck
loads. The second question dealt with height restrictions and setbacks. Mr. Davis said Morgro does not want
to be “grandfathered”. Instead, they want to keep their current manufacturing zoning. The current standards
should be left in place and have the current standards complied with.
Speaker # 2: Citizen
Name: Doug Black
Address: 155 West Central Avenue
Comments: Mr. Black said he has several issues. His property is an income property investment and has
been at the current premises for twenty-seven years. The new ordinance limits the type of tenants that will
find his property useful for their operations. His building was built for M-2 ordinance standards and it’s
been operated in that manner for many years. The new ordinance will diminish the value of his property.
Mr. Black is uncertain as to what will be allowed in the updated ordinance as compared to M-1 or M-2. He
has a tenant who wants to purchase a property of his, but the prospect of being a non-conforming use is
troublesome for the parties involved. Mr. Black is concerned that the new ordinance will prohibit the future
use of the open yard, which is valuable to current and prospective businesses, especially in the M-2 zone,
which allows open yard use.
Mr. Janson responded, stating that it is important to read the definition of what constitutes light
manufacturing. If the manufacturing occurs inside the building and doesn’t have impacts beyond the
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building, then it is an allowed use. Commissioner Stephens said that there is a difference between steel
fabricating and a foundry, for example, as a foundry could be considered to be heavy manufacturing due
to impacts beyond the building, whereas steel fabricating is unlikely to have impacts outside of the building.
Speaker # 3: Tenant of Doug Black
Name: Ralph Warner
Address: 3384 Marinda Way
Comments: Mr. Warner asked if the general plan is being considered. He read from the draft ordinance.
He asked what the threshold for noise is. In addition, Meadowbrook apartments are backed up to the
freeway. He is considering buying a building, with needed yard space. He asked if outdoor storage of
operable equipment is exempt from the outdoor storage rule and whether or not it would be grandfathered.
Commissioner Stephens said it will be helpful to clarify the language regarding open storage.
Commissioner Allen inquired about the 50% open yard language. Mr. Warner said the space is used and
he is requesting more clarification. Commissioner Booth noted that stored equipment should be operable.
Mr. Warner said language should be added in order to provide clarification.
Speaker # 4: Citizen
Name: Bruce Nelson
Address: 175 West Central Avenue
Comments: Mr. Nelson said this is a multiple use area. 50% of the property is open yard and this amount
of property is required to operate his business. He has had dealings with the county for years regarding the
use of his property. He has paid $500,000 in property taxes and now people are coming in and telling him
what he can and cannot do. It is not just the law, it’s personal, too. You pay the taxes, obey the law. He
questions the whole zoning update process and its origins. Mr. Nelson said waste disposal, tree recycling,
concrete and asphalt recycling and waste needs to be provided somewhere. He is not sure where he stands
as far as what he can do and not do. The County has used bullying tactics. He has provided valuable
employment and services and would like to be able to continue doing so.
Commissioner Stephens said Mr. Nelson’s operation will be grandfathered (legal non-conforming use) and
he can continue to operate in the exact same manner as he has done to date. Commissioner Stephens said
he would like to have Mr. Brems explain to Mr. Nelson how he can feel confident that his current operation
will remain legal. Mr. Brems said he can ask for a determination of a legal non-conforming use. Mr. Murphy
said these determination letters can be provided and are useful for financial transactions involving the
property and business, giving the parties confidence that the current operation is legal and will remain so.
Commissioner Stephens advised that planning staff can supply the determination letter.
Speaker # 5: Citizen
Name: Greg Bailey
Address: 165 West Central Avenue
Comments: Mr. Bailey said he has been in the Meadowbrook area for 17 years and has had dealings with
cities. The grandfathering issue greatly bothers him. He has experienced grandfathering and it works very
well for the city but not the property owners. He is concerned about down zoning, the property becomes
non-conforming and then he situation always goes bad. Property values are more than just the land. His
building has value, too. He agrees with the business owners giving testimony. They don’t cause any
problems. His property taxes on one building is probably greater than the property taxes paid on twenty
homes up the road. He and the other property owners are being taken advantage of. They will suffer and
the city will not take care of them.
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Speaker # 6: Citizen
Name: Bruce Nelson
Address: 175 West Central Avenue
Comments: Mr. Nelson wants clarification as respects whether or not he can replace a worn-out piece of
equipment under the draft ordinance.
Mr. Janson stated that the draft ordinance is not that specific to determine whether or not a piece of
equipment can be replaced. Commissioner Stephens said he is allowed to replace the equipment.
Commissioner Wilson said she does not know what additional language to add in order to make that more
clear.
Speaker # 7: Citizen
Name: Gary White
Address: 210 Howick Street
Comments: Mr. White said he is 3rd generation and his family is in the ready mixed concrete business and
warehouse leasing. He has seen a lot of people working their entire lives and are now experiencing
redevelopment in Murray. His family has a lot of property in Salt Lake County. These business owners and
property owners are concerned. The concern is the tighter the city pushes, and density goes up, the cost of
property rises. Everyone knows what’s coming. People are waiting to be bought out and the whole
community is changing. He is here to support Morgro, as it pays taxes and is a legitimate company.
Speaker # 8: Citizen
Name: Larry Maddocks
Address: 3025 South 1100 East
Comments: Mr. Maddocks said his property is just north of Brickyard. He wants his property to continue
to be in the current M zone. He wants to leave the M-1 zoning as is, so they can have some selling power.
Speaker # 9: Citizen
Name: Camron Carpenter
Address: 2816 East 2100 South
Comments: Mr. Carpenter said he does a lot of real estate work and has had numerous meetings with
Mayor Silvestrini. He has a buyer for a warehouse on Commerce Drive. The language in the draft ordinance
would kill his deal. The buyer would like to improve the building, if purchased, but thinks the new ordinance
language will not allow improvements. In addition, Mr. Carpenter is unsure how the ordinance draft will
affect the ability to utilize the outside space. These businesses can't exist if they don’t have an outside area.
Suggested a higher percentage of a lot or parcel be allowed to be used as outside space.
Commissioner Stephens said he would be hesitant to offer any opinion on this specific property or use.
Commissioner Allen said the long-term goal is to have properties become more conforming. Commissioner
Stephens said the point is not whether the building is conforming or non-conforming. It is the “use” that is
either legally non-conforming or allowed. Mr. Janson told him to read the new ordinance, as it has
changed.
Speaker # 10: Citizen
Name: Bob Hackworth
Address: 34 West Central Avenue
Comments: Mr. Hackworth said he has been at this location for 25 years. They rent excavation equipment
to protect employees working in trenches. He actively works to clean up debris that has been dumped near
their business. They conform to the existing zoning. They support the effort to clean up the neighborhood.
The existing businesses in Meadowbrook are not the problem. The city needs to be explicit with its
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ordinance language. Mr. Hackworth suggested the new ordinance “embrace” a third class of use that will
apply to existing businesses, but did not elaborate.
Speaker # 11: Part Owner of the property adjacent to The Brickyard area
Name: Lynda Bagley
Address: 1250 Manor Circle
Comments: Ms. Bagley said she purchased a property east of her property and was hoping to go into
business. They (she and siblings) have had the property for many years and have paid taxes on it. They
wanted to go into business, but things changed and the business she wanted to do would not fit in with the
M zone. She understands the anger of those property owners toward the new draft ordinance. She wouldn’t
want to have residential uses in this area.
PUBLIC PORTION OF MEETING CLOSED
Commissioners had a brief discussion of the public comments and agreed that they will need to schedule
another work session in order to thoroughly review the public comments received at this public hearing.
Motion: To continue file #30459 to the August 16th public hearing in order to adequately analyze and
discuss the public comments provided at this evening’s hearing.
Motion by: Commissioner Carlson
2nd by: Commissioner Claerhaut
Vote: Commissioners voted unanimous in favor (of commissioners present)
30491 - The Millcreek Planning Commission is considering a change in how building height is
measured. The proposal is to change the definition of maximum height from the mid-point on a sloped roof
to the peak. Planner: John Janson
John Janson provided a summary of the proposed ordinance language.
Commissioner LaMar asked about structures on the roof that would not be subject to the height limitation.
Commissioner Stephens stated that there can be a number of roof mounted equipment and structures that
are not subject to the height measurement or maximum height. Mr. Brems said that the ordinances must
be followed. Commissioner Allen asked if could limit these additional items to equipment required to
operate the building.
Commissioners had a brief discussion with regards to measurement, slope, and original grade.
Mr. Hymas said the grading specialist helps determine height and original grade as respects RCOZ.
PUBLIC PORTION OF MEETING OPENED
Speaker # 1: Mt. Olympus Community Council
Name: David Baird
Address: 4538 Thousand Oaks Drive
Comments: Mr. Baird said, being the chair, he has seen many issues and dilemmas of what constitutes
appropriate height. They define a protocol for staff to declare to the private party on how to determine the
height. He’s familiar with an RCOZ Option B application and they did go with staff’s recommendation.
Regardless of the decision, it is important to make sure that there is a step by step objective on how to do
it. Mr. Baird said he and the community council endorses the height measurement change.
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PUBLIC PORTION OF MEETING CLOSED
Commissioners had a brief discussion and agreed that roof mount equipment be limited to HVAC and
mechanical equipment, including solar, and to strike the word “tower” from the schedule of equipment and
structures that can exceed the maximum height.
Motion: To recommend approval of file #30491 to the Millcreek City Council with recommended
amendments.
Motion by: Commissioner Allen
2nd by: Commissioner LaMar
Vote: Commissioners voted unanimous in favor (of commissioners present)
30434 – Omar Abou-Ismail is requesting conditional use approval for a restaurant liquor license and site
plan amendment. Location: 3961 South Wasatch Boulevard. Zone: C-2. Community Council: Mt.
Olympus. Planner: Jeff Miller
Salt Lake County Planning and Development Services Planner Alex Murphy provided an analysis of the
staff report.
Commissioner Stephens asked where is the sidewalk in question. Mr. Murphy said narrowest point of the
sidewalk is by the pillar and is 39 inches wide, whereas the normal width is 54 inches. The patio will be
elevated and the DABC will require controlled access at all times. Commissioner Wilson was concerned
about ADA compliance. Mr. Murphy said the other option for access is to go out into the parking lot.
Commissioner Mumford asked if the applicant is raising the patio and eliminating a stair. Mr. Murphy said
a few stairs will be removed. Commissioner Booth asked if the patio line is being adjusted to create more
space.
PUBLIC PORTION OF MEETING OPENED
Speaker # 1: Applicant
Name: Omar Abou-Ismail
Address: 3021 South 3300 East
Comments: Mr. Abou-Ismail said it’s a health food restaurant that it has been in Sugarhouse for 12 years
and is now relocating. He has been at this new location most every day and has seen very little pedestrian
traffic along the walkway in front of this premises. Instead, customers just park in front of the store they
want to go to. The patio is a small area, and if required to be made smaller will not be worth it. This project
has been under construction for a year and he can’t wait any longer to open the restaurant. He has already
put in two sets of doors and the reason for doing so is to have the elevation be level with the doors. he loves
Millcreek and would like to have the patio. He went to the community council and everyone was happy to
have his restaurant at its new location.
Commissioner Allen asked if he (the applicant) has seen the staff report and understands staff’s
recommendations. The applicant answered “yes”. The applicant’s landlord has some outstanding site plan
requirements that have not been completed, but Mr. Brems stated that it would not fair to hold the applicant
hostage as a means to get the site plan requirements completed.
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Speaker # 2: Mt. Olympus Community Council
Name: David Baird
Address: 4538 Thousand Oaks Drive
Comments: Mr. Baird offered unanimous support for the reduction in the sidewalk width and for approval
of the liquor license. Mr. Baird said that it is an acceptable trade off of having a distinctive restaurant with
the small change to the width.
Speaker # 3: Citizen
Name: Ned Skanchy, landlord
Address: 1963 South 1200 East
Comments: Mr. Skanchy said they want to make the shopping center vibrant with outside dining and more
restaurants.
PUBLIC PORTION OF MEETING CLOSED
Commissioners had a brief discussion regarding this application.
Motion: To approve application #30434 with recommended conditions
Motion by: Commissioner Wilson
2nd by: Commissioner Mumford
Vote: Commissioners voted unanimous in favor (of commissioners present)
BUSINESS MEETING
Meeting began at – 7:40 p.m.
1) Approval of Minutes from the June 21, 2017 meeting.
Motion:
Motion by:
2nd by:
Vote:
2) Approval of Minutes from the July 7, 2017 light manufacturing work session meeting.
Motion: To approve minutes from the July 7, 2017 minutes as presented.
Motion by: Commissioner Carlson
2nd by: Commissioner Mumford
Vote: Commissioners voted unanimous in favor (of commissioners present)
3) Ordinance issues from today’s meeting: none
4) Other Business Items (as needed):
Confirmed keeping the planning commission public hearing meeting at 5pm;
As respects a certain applicant who has come back to planning staff requesting a change in amenities
to reflect the tenant demographics, the commissioners agreed to delegate this matter to staff.
Briefly discussed an upcoming RM design standards field trip.
Briefly discussed the need to create a Fencing Ordinance.
MEETING ADJOURNED
Time Adjourned – 8:03 p.m.
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