Parks and Recreation Commission Meeting
Regular MeetingMonterey, CA · July 19, 2012
Minutes
MINUTES
PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
Regular Meeting
Thursday, July 19, 2012
7:00 PM
COUNCIL CHAMBER, FEW MEMORIAL HALL OF RECORDS
MONTEREY, CALIFORNIA
Commissioners Present: Baldwin, Marotta, Menendez-Herbst, Perske, Woodward
Commissioners Absent: Canepa, McCarthy
Staff Members Present: Community Services and Library Director Kim Bui-Burton,
Recreation and Community Services Manager Cindy Vierra,
Interim Deputy City Manager Plans and Public Works Hans
Uslar, Park Operations Manager Louie Marcuzzo, Guest
Services Coordinator Andrew Diaz, Recording Secretary Teresa
Nash
CALL TO ORDER
CONSENT ITEMS
Approval of Minutes
1. Thursday, May 17, 2012
Action: Approved as submitted (5-0-2, Canepa, McCarthy absent).
2. Monday, June 4, 2012
Action: Approved as submitted (5-0-2, Canepa, McCarthy absent).
3. Thursday, June 21, 2012
Action: Approved as submitted (5-0-2, Canepa, McCarthy absent).
***End of Consent Agenda***
PUBLIC COMMENTS
None.
PUBLIC APPEARANCE
4. Ryan Ranch Community Park - Review of Proposed Uses
Action: Report received.
Community Services and Library Director Bui-Burton introduced Hans Uslar, Interim Deputy City
Manager Plans and Public Works. Mr. Uslar thanked Director Bui-Burton and said in light of
Doug Stafford’s retirement, he wanted to meet the Commission and offer his continued support.
Director Bui-Burton said this item is to follow up on the Commission’s recent consideration of an
update to the Parks and Recreation Master Plan, followed by a site visit to the Disc Golf Course,
where possible uses of the Ryan Ranch Community Park were discussed.
Commissioner Woodward inquired if we plan to add more possible uses to the list. Director Bui-
Burton stated at this time this report is to provide information to the Commission. She said the
Master Plan status was first presented when Doug Stafford was retiring, and the Commission
decided to wait until Doug’s position was filled to consider it again. She said the status of an
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update to the Parks and Recreation Master Plan will be presented to the Commission at the end
of the year.
Commissioner Perske inquired about the City’s drilling for water without success and asked how
many times we drilled, how deep we drilled, etc. Interim Deputy City Manager Plans and Public
Works Uslar stated there is one drilling location and that drilling was done in increments.
Commissioner Marotta inquired if the City has considered selling the property. Director Bui-
Burton stated the City Council took a field trip to the site because of recent items brought before
them to look at possible commercial uses of the property.
Commissioner Marotta said someone came to him to talk about this multi-field idea and thought
they ran into a road block because of the airport flight pattern issues. Recreation and
Community Services Manager Vierra said that proposal has been given to the Plans and Public
Works Department to review the airport and water issues. Interim Deputy City Manager Uslar
said the group making the proposal made some very good points and put this area back on the
target list for the Council. The Council looked at the parcels out there and is calling for a
Request for Qualification (RFQ), which basically asks the development community what would
be the best and highest use of this area. He stated it is designated as park area now.
Commissioner Marotta said if it’s in the flight pattern, then golf courses and ball fields would
probably not be allowed.
Commissioner Woodward inquired if the Commission is going to be included in the process.
Director Bui-Burton said if the RFQ comes up with good proposals, then Council may refer the
project to the Commission. Interim Deputy City Manager Uslar said this proposal has triggered
interest in the site and the City needs to determine what is the best and highest use of those
parcels. Director Bui-Burton said a subcommittee will be appointed from the Parks and
Recreation Commission if this item comes forward.
Sharon Dwight, Monterey resident, stated the problem we already have in that area is traffic
congestion. Whatever goes out there needs to be limited to a low number of people. She said
the disc golf users have created a very nice course, and there is a very real purpose that is
being served now.
Commissioner Marotta stated the Commission needs to hear more about what is going on with
this parcel. Director Bui-Burton said staff will keep the Commission updated on the RFQ
process.
5. Approve Installation of a Permanent Metal Fence Surrounding the Train Engine at
Dennis the Menace Park
Action: The Parks and Recreation Commission approved the replacement of the existing
temporary four-foot white plastic fence surrounding the train engine at Dennis the
Menace Park with a permanent five-foot, black metal, decorative fence (5-0-2, Canepa,
McCarthy absent).
Park Operations Manager Marcuzzo stated the white plastic fence around the train will be
replaced with a black metal fence making the train inaccessible. The white fence around the
sculpture and entrance will remain as is.
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Commissioner Woodward inquired why the City has to do this. Interim Deputy City Manager
Plans and Public Works Uslar stated under the Play Equipment Standards a train engine is not
play equipment and has numerous possibilities of causing injuries. The City had initially
declared the train engine as a monument and posted signs stating “Climb At Your Own Risk”,
but because it’s inside the playground and does not meet the Playground Equipment Standards,
it has to be fenced off. He said even with posting signage, the City would still be at risk and
liable. He said staff’s solution was to keep the train there and fence it off because of the
historical value. One alternative solution would be to move the train out of the El Estero Park
complex.
Commissioner Baldwin inquired how many injury claims have been filed on the train. Interim
City Manager Plans and Public Works Uslar stated he’s only aware of one claim filed.
Commissioner Baldwin said the train is “close to my heart and when I think of the thousands of
kids that have experienced the train – some have bumps and bruises, but it’s a learning
experience – you fall off once, you’ll be more careful.” He said unfortunately the City has no
recourse and that it’s a shame.
Commissioner Perske agreed with Commissioner Baldwin, and stated the City has to protect
itself from liability.
Commissioner Menendez-Herbst said she played on the train when she was a kid and it’s
extremely dangerous and that the City has been very, very lucky so far. She agreed with
everything said, but the City could get hurt very badly financially. Manager Uslar stated when
this issue was pointed out to the City; we had reports of children under 5 years old falling 12-15
feet.
Commissioner Menendez-Herbst reiterated the issue is the train is not a piece of playground
equipment and therefore cannot be located in a City park.
Sharon Dwight, Monterey resident, said “I too played on the train starting when the park first
opened and never fell off; my sister never fell off either.” She said the City has been sued more
for uplifted sidewalks than for falls from play equipment. She would like to see a different layout
of the fence so that the only access would be from the parking lot and it would not be inside the
playground, still have the fencing proposed on the park side but allow people to walk around the
train and see it up close; railroads were such a big part of the development of our country.
Scott Wiseman, Boy Scout Member, said he doesn’t like the idea of putting a fence around the
train, as a kid you see it - you want to hold it or touch it. He said maybe it would be better to
move the train and put another piece of play equipment there.
Commissioner Marotta said he played on it as a kid and “I didn’t want my kids to climb on it, but
they did. I won’t allow my grandkids to climb the train; it’s a dangerous piece of equipment.” He
said he fully supports fencing off the train.
Commissioner Woodward inquired if the train is fenced off can it be considered an historical
monument. Interim Deputy City Manager Uslar said staff looked at a lot of different options but
as long as it’s in a park it cannot be accessible to the public.
Recreation and Community Services Manager Vierra stated the entire El Estero Park complex is
considered a park and the train could not be located anywhere within that park complex.
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On a motion by Commissioner Marotta, seconded by Commissioner Menendez-Herbst, and
carried by the following vote, the Parks and Recreation Commission approved the replacement
of the existing temporary white plastic four-foot fence at Dennis the Menace Pak with a
permanent black metal five-foot decorative fence surrounding the train engine:
AYES: 5 COMMISSIONERS: Baldwin, Marotta, Menendez-Herbst, Perske,
Woodward
NOES: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
ABSENT: 2 COMMISSIONERS: Canepa, McCarthy
6. Request from Commissioner Perske to Discuss the Recreation Division Monthly Activity
Report
Action: Item discussed. Staff will meet and discuss the Commissioner’s feedback and
what information to include in the monthly report. Staff will bring back a
recommendation to the Commission for their approval.
Community Services and Library Director Bui-Burton thanked Commissioner Perske for his
patience on reviewing this item. She said not all City boards or commissions do a monthly
report, mostly commissions that are community service oriented and the reports are for
information only. The reports are written by several staff members. Staff would like to find out
what kind of information the Commission would like to see. She stated the Parks Division works
with a lot of “things” and Recreation works with “programming,” which is difficult to quantify like
the Parks Division report.
Commissioner Perske said that none of his remarks should be considered negative; the staff
does a tremendous job on programs. His understanding of the Commission’s role is to advise
and assist, and to live up to those responsibilities we need data. He would like to see some
data in this report, charts are helpful, and attendance in these programs. He would like to see
some surveys of patrons.
Commissioner Woodward said she likes both formats; and reading about how many gophers
were caught in the Parks Division report. She understands what Commissioner Perske is
saying about the flair but it also tells Commissioners what is going right with the programs. She
asked what staff feels is best to provide to us without drowning them in additional work.
Recreation and Community Services Manager Vierra said staff from each community center,
field sports and the Sports Center writes their own report, then they are combined into one
report. She stated the things Commissioner Perske pointed out like surveys, monthly
attendance, etc. are already done. She said we can provide whatever the Commissioners
would like to see. Director Bui-Burton said we also have to take into consideration what staff
will have time to do.
Commissioner Menendez-Herbst said she enjoys reading what’s going on. She doesn’t want to
know every little thing, she likes the overview. She also likes the Parks Division report with
statistics on the cemetery, gophers, etc.
Recreation and Community Services Manager Vierra stated that staff is spread very thin and
suggested doing a quarterly report.
Director Bui-Burton thanked the Commission for their feedback and said staff will meet to see
what is possible with the limitations we have now. She said in her experience, recreators will
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make it work, they address the issue and move on and have so much enthusiasm, it’s the
recreator approach to getting things done, and everyone pulls together.
Commissioner Baldwin said being the new kid on the block, he was flabbergasted by the
monthly reports – this takes a lot of staff time to put together each month. He agreed with
Commissioner Perske and suggested including figures on usage and to list programs and
projects that are working well. He also suggested that staff could come back with a specific list
of things they could include without a great deal of work and maybe just do a report quarterly.
Commissioner Marotta said he agrees and just wants to hear if it’s a successful event or not.
Commissioner Woodward stated she would like to be informed on issues before they are in the
newspaper.
Sharon Dwight, Monterey resident, said one thing you don’t hear is how many people are on the
waitlist and that maybe we could support the Division in gaining more space or instructors to
accommodate waitlists. She suggested providing a report seasonally instead of monthly. She
said recreators do the best they can with what they have, they can do more with nothing than
anyone – they just know there isn’t any money, they are so successful with working with so little,
money-wise, people-wise, and they don’t complain.
Commissioner Woodward said she would like to know our challenges prior to going into a
season and then follow up at the end of the season.
Commissioner Menendez-Herbst said this report shows the enthusiasm of the staff. She feels
staff does come to us for ideas, support and recommendations.
Director Bui-Burton said we will do our best to keep the Commission informed on upcoming
issues or projects and will bring this item back to the Commission for discussion and approval.
INFORMATIONAL REPORTS & STAFF COMMENTS
7. Monthly Report - Recreation Division - June 2012
8. Monthly Report - Parks Division - June 2012
Recreation and Community Services Manager Vierra shared some great news, Maryrose
Rinaudo, Coordinator at Scholze Park Center, had identical twin girls on Thursday night.
She said Maryrose will be out until January and staff is pitching in at the center. She
reported the 4th of July Lawn Party was very successful and the musical entertainment
was great. She said City staff all pulled together and it’s fun providing this event for the
community. She reported we received a lot of positive feedback about the Parade and
the Monterey Bay Symphony concert at Jacks Park – it was a great day for the
community. Manager Vierra stated it’s hard to tell the Commission what our “challenges”
are because we try to resolve them quickly or find alternatives. For example, the kiln
went out at Scholze Park Center. We had no funds budgeted to replace it and low and
behold we get a donation; the freezer went out at Camp Quien Sabe, again no funds
budgeted for a replacement, and we received a donation to purchase a new freezer.
We’re very fortunate in that way. She reported that summer programs are going great
and are full; the new Lego® classes are very successful and the kids are doing a lot of
engineering.
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Guest Services Coordinator Diaz reported the Sports Center is having a very busy
summer and that the saunas are scheduled to be ready to go at the end of August.
Park Operations Manager Marcuzzo commended the Recreation staff on a great job at
the 4th of July Lawn Party and it was the largest crowd he has seen in 16 years. He
reported they are re-landscaping the Visitor’s Center. Commissioner Perske inquired
about public use of the park at Bay View School. He said they have fenced off the grass
area and wanted to know if that part of the park is to be open to the public. Interim
Deputy City Manager Plans and Public Works Uslar said there is a gate that is open so
you can access the play area and the grass area. He said he will give their maintenance
attendant a call to make sure this is happening. Sharon Dwight, Monterey resident, said
that NIP paid for the installation of the track, soccer field, benches, tables and all play
equipment, so there is supposed to be access for the public. Commissioner Woodward
inquired if there is a list of projects that NIP funded on MPUSD property. Director Bui-
Burton said staff will provide that list to the Commission.
Community Services and Library Director Bui-Burton thanked Recreation and Community
Services Manager Vierra for all her hard work on the 4th of July and for also staying to
make sure the Monterey Bay Symphony’s Patriotic Concert at Jacks Ball Park went well.
She reported that Bay View Academy will continue at Del Monte School this year and
they have asked the Recreation Division to provide an afterschool program.
COMMISSIONER COMMENTS
Commissioner Baldwin gave thanks and appreciation for the parade and the activities at
Colton Hall on the 4th of July. He commended Community Services and Library Director
Bui-Burton on her television appearance and said she represented the City very well.
Commissioner Menendez-Herbst said the parade was amazing, I’ve never seen that
many people. She said it was a very proud day for her; there was a lot to be proud of.
She thanked OMBA for bringing back the 4th of July Parade.
Commissioner Marotta said through our recommendation, OMBA hired a company to do
the parade. He said even though this was a community-sponsored event, the City did a
lot to help and they were there for every meeting.
Commissioner Woodward said she is experiencing more of our parks as her daughter
gets involved in different activities. She said her daughter is volunteering at the
Monterey Tennis Center this summer and said the tennis court at Via Paraiso is great.
NEXT MEETING
Thursday, August 16, 2012
The next regularly scheduled meeting of the Parks and Recreation Commission is Thursday,
August 16, 2012 at 7:00 p.m., City Council Chamber, Few Memorial Hall of Records.
ADJOURNMENT
Chair Marotta adjourned the meeting at 8:23 p.m.
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Respectfully Submitted, Approved,
Kim Bui-Burton Mike Marotta, Chair
Community Services and Library Director Parks and Recreation Commission
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Agenda
Parks and Recreation
Commissioners
Commission Mike Marotta, Chair
Agenda Dennis McCarthy, Vice Chair
Regular Meeting Vance Baldwin
David Canepa
Thursday, July 19, 2012 Suzanne Menendez-Herbst
Council Chamber Louis Perske
Few Memorial Hall of Records Susan Woodward
7:00 PM
Monterey, California
CALL TO ORDER
ROLL CALL
CONSENT ITEMS
CONSENT ITEMS allow for a review of those items recommended for approval on consent or
recommended to be continued, tabled or withdrawn, etc. Consent items consist of those items
which are routine and for which a staff recommendation has been prepared. A member of the
public or a Commissioner may request that an item recommended for approval on consent be
heard on the regular agenda for further discussion.
Approval of Minutes
1. Thursday, May 17, 2012
2. Monday, June 4, 2012
3. Thursday, June 21, 2012
***End of Consent Agenda***
PUBLIC COMMENTS
PUBLIC COMMENTS allows you, the public, to speak for a maximum of three minutes on any
subject which is within the jurisdiction of the Monterey Parks and Recreation Commission and
which is not on the agenda. Any person or group desiring to bring an item to the attention of the
Commission may do so during Public Comments or by addressing a letter of explanation to:
Recreation and Community Services Director, 546 Dutra Street, Monterey CA 93940. The
appropriate staff person will contact the sender concerning the details.
PUBLIC APPEARANCE
PUBLIC APPEARANCE items are reports on action or informational issues that might stimulate
public discussion, but that do not require formal noticing as public hearings. You are welcome to
offer your comments after being recognized by the Chair. The Chair may limit the time allocated to
each speaker.
4. Ryan Ranch Community Park - Review of Proposed Uses
5. Approve Installation of a Permanent Metal Fence Surrounding the Train Engine at Dennis
the Menace Park
6. Request from Commissioner Perske to Discuss the Recreation Division Monthly Activity
Report
INFORMATIONAL REPORTS & STAFF COMMENTS
INFORMATIONAL REPORTS & STAFF COMMENTS supply the Commission with written or oral
information that they may wish to discuss or take action by placing the item on a future agenda.
7. Monthly Report - Recreation Division - June 2012
8. Monthly Report - Parks Division - June 2012
COMMISSIONER COMMENTS
COMMISSIONERS may ask a question for clarification, make a brief announcement or make a
brief report on his or her activities. In addition, a Commissioner may provide a referral to staff or
other resources for factual information, request staff to report back to the body at a subsequent
meeting concerning any City matter, or direct staff to place a request to agendize a matter of
business on a future agenda. (G.C. 54954.2)
NEXT MEETING
Thursday, August 16, 2012
ADJOURNMENT
The Parks and Recreation Commission meeting packet may be reviewed by the public at the Monterey Public
Library. Information distributed to the Commission becomes part of the public record. A copy of written material,
pictures, etc., should be provided for this purpose. For more agenda information, call
646-3866.
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UPCOMING MEETINGS AT CITY HALL
Jul 23 Colton Hall Museum Cultural Art Commission Meeting, Council Chamber - 4:00 pm
Jul 24 Planning Commission Meeting, Council Chamber - 4:00 pm
Jul 25 Council Study Session, Council Chamber - 4:00 PM
Jul 25 Library Board Meeting, Library Community Room - 5:30 PM
Jul 25 Council Special Meeting, Council Chamber - 4:00 PM
Jul 25 Oversight Board Meeting, Council Chamber - 7:00 PM
Jul 26 Zoning Administrator Meeting, Council Chamber - 4:00 pm
Aug 1 Architectural Review Committee Meeting, Council Chamber - 4:00 pm
Aug 2 Neighborhood Improvement Program Committee Meeting, Council Chamber - 7:00 PM
Aug 7 Council Regular Meeting, Council Chamber - 4:00 PM
Aug 9 Historic Preservation Commission Meeting, Council Chamber - 4:00 pm
Aug 9 Zoning Administrator Meeting, Monterey Library - 4:00 pm
Aug 14 Planning Commission Meeting, Council Chamber - 4:00 pm
Aug 15 Architectural Review Committee Meeting, Council Chamber - 4:00 pm
Aug 16 Parks and Recreation Commission Meeting, Council Chamber - 7:00 PM
MORE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE BY CALLING 646-3866
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