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Regular MeetingMount Pleasant, SC · September 10, 2024
Minutes
SPECIAL TOWN COUNCIL MEETING
Tuesday September 10, 2024
4:45 p.m.
Municipal Complex, Council Chambers
100 Ann Edwards Lane, Mount Pleasant, SC 29464
MINUTES
1. Call to Order
Mayor Haynie called the meeting to order at 4:46 p.m. Daniel Brownstein,
Howard Chapman, Laura Hyatt, Guang Ming Whitley, Jake Rambo, John
Iacofano, Gary Santos and Carl Ritchie were all present.
2. Public Comment
Zach Kern, said he is the attorney of record for today and stated for public
comment, if there is anyone who is a bidding firm that is not Artigues, they
will be given a special designation to speak after the Town and Artigues
have presented.
Mayor Haynie said the Town will be given five minutes for a presentation,
then Artigues will be given five minutes to present, then any other bidding
firms as necessary will be allowed five minutes to present. There will be
a question-and-answer period by Town Council, and then a rebuttal
period of three minutes each will be given to the Town and Artigues. After
that, Council will deliberate and vote.
3. Appeal of Bids and Purchases Committee Finding and
Determination from August 20, 2024 Special Meeting regarding the
Town’s Landscape Maintenance Services Contract.
August 20, 2024 Bids & Purchases Committee Meeting Minutes
Ms. Cotov said the Town issued a best value bid on June 25, 2024, for
landscape maintenance services which was opened July 25. She said
the August Bids & Purchases Committee approved staff’s
recommendation to award four landscape maintenance areas and
provided additional background information as shown.
Ms. Cotov reviewed the findings and determination.
Ms. Cotov also presented some additional information and clarifications.
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Ms. Cotov said that if Area 1 is re-bid, we would not be able to issue Area
2 until we know who the successful bidder is, because if Artigues is not
awarded Area 1, they should be eligible as the best value bid for Area 2.
Mr. Pagliarini said there are three specific issues crucial to this decision.
The first is that the management plan that was left out on the bid by
Peggra was material. It was a very important part of the plan, and staff
believes that the bid amount would have substantially changed had they
included it, so this more than a $200,000 difference in bid. Secondly, as
Ms. Cotov stated, Peggra has never worked for the Town, and third,
review of this compromises our entire bid process.
Mayor Haynie said that was the Town’s presentation and Artigues’
representative would now be given the opportunity to present.
Ms. Bright Ariail stated she is representing Artigues, and thanked Council
for the opportunity this evening. She said she concurred with much of
what the Town representatives have stated. Ms. Ariail said that the bid
that was submitted by Peggra Farms was non-responsive, and before
bids can be considered it must be determined if the bids are responsive.
She said if it does not comply with all the requirements of the solicitation,
it is considered non-responsive, and the bid can no longer be considered.
Ms. Ariail provided a letter including case law supporting their position.
She said that by failing to provide a management plan, Peggra Farms
should be deemed non-responsive. She said the second issues is that
Peggra made some admissions during the hearing for the bid protest that
are disturbing and improper. She said they talked about withdrawing their
pricing, that they and Pleasant Places, which has common ownership
among family members, made the decision to withdraw some of their bids
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based on, competing, so they would both be awarded portions of the bid.
She said that is what they stated in front of the Committee during the
protest. Ms. Ariail said lastly she wanted to go over some of the findings
of the Committee. She said the town addressed best-value bidding which
the Town has done since 2018, which is common in public contracting.
Mayor Haynie asked if there were any other bidders that would like to
make a presentation. There being none, Mayor Haynie stated the next
portion would be a question-and-answer period by Town Council.
Mr. Iacofano asked Ms. Ariail to finish her statement on the price
difference she was going to make before her time ran out.
Ms. Ariail said during the Committee’s deliberations they put a lot of
emphasis on the fact that the bid from Peggra Farms was $200,000 less
than that of Artigues. She said that is not to be a consideration when you
consider a best-value bid. She said there were four factors in the
procurement that were to be evaluated, and only one of them was the
management plan. The others were price, experience and
references/past performance. She said all four of these factors went into
the scores that were properly done by the procurement department, but
the one thing that was not properly done was that Peggra Farms was
given a score of zero on their management plan, when they should have
been found non-responsive. She said all the firms were evaluated on their
bid price, and in a best-value bid, the Town made the decision to have
this as a best-value bid instead of a low bid. She said it was not
appropriate to consider a difference in price at that point.
Mr. Iacofano asked the basis of the original protest.
Ms. Cotov said in their letter there were five pieces that were protested.
She said she believed the issues in the protest were addressed, and they
(Peggra Farms) said they were the low bid, and the contract should have
been awarded to them but Ms. Cotov said it was in fact a best-value bid,
not a low bid. She said they indicated they had experience and had not
been formally reprimanded, but Ms. Cotov said the Town had never done
work with them, so they do not have experience with them, nor could they
have been reprimanded. She said they stated one of the other firms had
not submitted a bond or check that was required, but Ms. Cotov said it
had been submitted. Ms. Cotov said the fourth item was they had
information that the other bidder had been terminated, but it had not. She
said the last two points were that Peggra farms had information that the
other firm did not have the experience, but based on the solicitation and
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the data provided, the selection committee believed that they did have the
experience needed for this project. Ms. Cotov said the last piece is they
wanted consideration because they are a minority/woman business
enterprise, but the Town does not have that as a consideration, but
instead has a local vendor partnership program. She said that Peggra
Farms is based in Walterboro, so they would not have qualified. Ms.
Cotov said those complaints were all addressed in the protest.
Mr. Chapman asked how many years ago we knew that we have
individuals with the same family involved in this project. Ms. Cotov said
she personally had no knowledge of it, and she still does not know the
relationships.
Mr. Chapman asked if Mr. Guy Artigues and his firm were asked to work
on Highway 17 landscape maintenance because a previous firm we were
using was not doing a good job. Ms. Cotov responded in the affirmative,
stating there had been in the past concerns about a firm being utilized,
and they could not accomplish it, but they were terminated for
convenience, not for cause, as they did not have the manpower. Mr.
Chapman asked which firm was asked by the Town to take over. Ms.
Cotov introduced Kathy Frame, Procurement Officer to respond. Ms.
Frame said Pleasant Places was asked to take over the contract that was
terminated in 2020 during the pandemic from the firm that was unable to
staff it. Pleasant Places was the second low bidder, and they were asked
to take over the contract. In response to a question from Mr. Chapman,
Ms. Frame said she believed the owner of Pleasant Places was Mr. Guy
Artigues. Mr. Chapman asked if Mr. Guy Artigues is also Peggra Farms
and Ms. Frame said she did not believe that was the case. Mr. Chapman
asked about comments made during the bid protest, and Ms. Frame
stated Mr. Guy Artigues spoke first, followed by Mr. Gilly Artigues, who
she believed is his son, part of Peggra Farms.
Mr. Chapman said the issue is the Town was let off the hook with a
company that was doing a terrible job on Highway 17, and Mr. Guy
Artigues and his firm took over the contract for four years. Mr. Chapman
said the reason it went out for bid is there were many issues within the
Town that needed to be addressed as far as landscaping. He said we are
not giving Peggra Farms the bid. He said the Committee went into
executive session, and what was decided upon was to have just the major
highways portion re-bid. Mr. Chapman said the Committee felt that a
company that was owned and operated, and would still be, except for the
name, by Peggra Farms, was doing the work that the Town asked them
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to take over. He said while they did not put in a management plan, they
worked for four years and it was being done well. He said he is
suggesting that we re-bid that part, and that was the committee decision,
and make sure that Peggra Farms understands that even though they did
a great job while they were performing the work for four years, that is not
good enough. It must be put on paper.
Ms. Whitley asked for confirmation that the Town never contracted with
Peggra Farms and they did not work for the Town for four years. Ms.
Cotov responded in the affirmative. She asked who owns Peggra Farms.
Ms. Cotov said Peggra Farms protested because they said it is a woman-
owned business, and it is Renee Artigues. Ms. Whitley asked if she is
related to the Artigues’, and Ms. Cotov responded in the affirmative. Ms.
Whitley said the company that took over the contract was Pleasant
Places, and Guy Artigues is the owner, and Ms. Cotov responded in the
affirmative. Ms. Whitley asked who Artigues Landscape and Maintenance
is owned by, and Mr. Reese Artigues stated he is the owner. Ms. Whitley
asked if Yellowstone had ever contracted with the Town and Ms. Cotov
responded she believed we have. Ms. Frame confirmed they have
contracted with Yellowstone. Ms. Whitley said she understands that not
one firm can win all four areas. Ms. Cotov said Artigues was the best-
value bid, and one firm cannot be awarded all four areas, and one firm
cannot be awarded major and secondary roadways. Ms. Whitley said
even though Artigues was the best-value bidder for areas one and two,
they were awarded the bigger contract, which was area one, but if they
were not awarded area one, they would bump Yellowstone out of area
two and Artigues would be awarded area two. Ms. Cotov responded in
the affirmative. Ms. Whitley asked why the bid by Peggra was not rejected
for failure to complete the management plan. Ms. Frame said per our
solicitation, responsiveness meant they provided their bid guarantee, their
bid form, provided acknowledgment of the addendum and they signed
everything. She said when they looked at it for responsiveness, they did
comply, but when we looked at them for responsibility, they did not
comply, so they received zero points. Ms. Whitley said all the grounds for
appeal were addressed, so there were no real grounds for the appeal,
other than the fact that they failed to submit a management plan. She
asked if they were asking to be able submit a management plan and be
considered. Ms. Frame said what they were originally asking in the
protest was that the contract with Artigues be canceled and it be awarded
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to them. The Bids and Purchases Committee said they were not going to
do that, but instead we will re-bid major roadways, area one.
Ms. Whitley said Peggra’s protest was because they were the lowest
bidder they should be awarded the contract, as opposed to the way the
Town was awarding which was best-value. Ms. Frame responded in the
affirmative.
Mr. Rambo said he is unclear about what was involved in the
management plan. Ms. Frame said part of the reason a management
plan is required is we found over the years that low-bid landscaping does
not work. She said a contractor is needed to give the Town a plan on how
they will handle execution of the services and safety, so we can make
sure they are following their plan and performing. Mr. Rambo asked if the
family connection with the different firms matters.
Ms. Cotov said this is the first time we have done a best-value bid and
asked for a management plan because all of this is just too much for one
firm which is why it is parsed out in pieces.
Mr. Pagliarini said the relationships are irrelevant to this process.
Mr. Rambo said the bid of the protester was $200,000 less, but asked if
they would have completed the management plan aspect would it not
have been that much less. Mr. Pagliarini said we cannot predict that, but
it stands to logic that as was stated by staff, with that included it would
have almost certainly increased the bid amount as there would be more
stuff required. Mr. Rambo asked if Mr. Pagliarini thought the bid
solicitations gave very clear directions on what the bids must include. Mr.
Pagliarini said this section specifically was highlighted and underlined,
and it was mentioned twice, and he does not see how it could have been
missed. Mr. Rambo asked why we would want to hire a company that did
not follow the simple directions laid out in the bid process.
Mayor Haynie said this information was provided by legal counsel. If the
appeal decision is overturned, that awards all program areas as originally
approved on the original bids. He said we are here to see if we will
overturn the Bids and Purchases Appeal decision, not to award or judge
bids. Mayor Haynie said if the decision is upheld to rebid, then the rebid
on program Area 1, major roadways, they would award the contracts for
areas 3 and 4, which is town properties to Artigues, and tree care and
maintenance to Yellowstone Landscape. He said the award for area 2
would be held because Artigues was not eligible to receive that for having
been the bidder chosen for area 1. Mayor Haynie said the landscape
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maintenance services were extended for the month of September for all
areas.
Ms. Whitley said one of Mr. Pagliarini’s three statements as to why the
Bids and Purchases Committee decision should be overturned was
because the bid process could be undermined. She said listening to this,
she sees why that would happen. She said anyone submitting a bid for
anything in the town could leave information off their response, and they
could protest. She said it would bog down the smoothly running
processes of the town. Mr. Pagliarini said that is the exact position staff
takes. It has a cascading effect. Part two is bids are secret for a reason
and now the information is out, and anyone could come in and bid
knowing what was already submitted, so we are effectively discounting
the winning bidder’s amount.
Mayor Haynie said one of the things that was agreed to is that there will
be three minutes of rebuttal from the Town and three minutes from
Artigues, at which time deliberation and vote will take place.
Mr. Pagliarini said this is an unusual situation where the protesting party
is much in alignment with what staff has provided, so technically there is
not much to rebut in this circumstance. He said based on the appeal
language itself, the five elements that Ms. Cotov read, none of those
elements were grounds to overturn the process and require a new bid.
Mr. Pagliarini said from a legal standpoint we do not believe there is any
cause to overturn the bid as it existed. He said this was a material element
of the response, and clearly stated in the bid requirements and all the
other bidders provided the information. Mr. Pagliarini said it does stand
to reason that we are going to be dealing with potentially months and
months of appeals because of the cascading process. He said they
believe the process was fair and equitable from the beginning.
Ms. Ariail said she agrees that we are basically aligned, but one thing that
she thought got bogged down in the committee meeting was the
representative from Peggra, who is Peggra Farms owner Ms. Artigues’
son, kept speaking of Pleasant Places and their experience and history
with the Town, but that was not Peggra, that was Pleasant Places. She
said she felt the Committee was confused by his presentation and
believed that work that had been done by Pleasant Places was done by
Peggra. Ms. Ariail said in the original solicitation it was a requirement that
the bidder shall submit a management plan, how they were going to
perform the services. She said it was a performance spec, and asked for
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project scheduling, quality control issues, and that each program should
be addressed separately. She said a schedule that blends safety, traffic
and flow and budget must be submitted, which was sent out as an
addendum after a pre-bid meeting. Ms. Ariail said when the committee
was deliberating, they seemed to be focused on the fairness, and there is
case law that talks about fairness in contracting. She said the South
Carolina Procurement Review Panel has said while the evaluation does
not have to be perfect, it must be fair. She said if this is re-bid it is not
going to be fair to Artigues or the other bidders that followed the
solicitation and did the work properly.
Mr. Reese Artigues, owner of Artigues Landscaping said if you read the
transcripts from the protest, he said his brother and nephew were very
clear in stating that Peggra and Pleasant Places are essentially the same
company. He said they are not. He asked if they are the same company,
why did they submit two bids.
Mr. Rambo moved to overturn the decision of the Bids and Purchases
Committee which would then revert all decisions back to the original
decisions, seconded by Ms. Whitley.
Mayor Haynie said for clarification that would award all program areas as
originally approved beginning October 1. Mr. Rambo responded in the
affirmative, as did Ms. Whitley.
Mr. Chapman said Highway 17 maintenance throughout the Town is very
important. He said by looking at a firm who did the work for four years,
working with our off-duty police officers on the street and having a plan
that was good enough for four years, it seems like we should at least give
them a second chance. He said as to the question of if the bid would be
higher if they had included the management plan, they had already been
doing it for four years, so why would it be higher. They know exactly what
it would cost them.
Mr. Brownstein said we are elected to be wise stewards of taxpayer
money, and so the net effect of Mr. Rambo’s motion is that we will be
paying $200,000 a year extra per year for four years for a total of $800,000
in taxpayer money when we know that essentially the same firm has been
providing a quality service. He said that weighs very heavily on his mind.
Mr. Iacofano said he has submitted many bids, and they must be
completed properly and turned in on time. He said there is a reason
something was put in a bid and management and safety is paramount.
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He said that part of the bid, which was put in the bid on purpose so as to
know that management and safety is an integral part of the workings of
the company. He said we will undermine and compromise the entire bid
process for more than $800,000 over the life of the Town of Mount
Pleasant by allowing this to continue. He said he agrees with Mr. Rambo
and Ms. Whitley on their motion. He said this was not a money bid, but a
best-value bid. He said we should not undermine staff, and it was a fair
bid.
Ms. Whitley asked if Pleasant Places submitted bids as well. Ms. Cotov
responded in the affirmative, that a few were withdrawn, but they
submitted for all the areas, but withdrew the secondary roads. Ms. Frame
said they had a bid issue and requested to verify their bid. She said their
pricing for 19 areas matched their pricing for one area. They realized they
priced it incorrectly and requested to withdraw everything but secondary
roadways. Ms. Whitley said her thought is that Pleasant Places is owned
by the husband and Peggra Farms is owned by the wife, and because the
Town said that all four would not be awarded to the same company
because it is too much, they created a separate entity that had never
worked for the Town in order to try and get all four bids which defeats the
purpose of the Town dividing this among four companies.
Mayor Haynie called for the vote on the motion to overturn the appeal
decision of the Bids and Purchases Committee and revert to the original
awards of the contracts to begin on October 1. Mr. Iacofano, Mr. Rambo,
Mr. Ritchie, Ms. Whitley and Mayor Haynie voted in favor with Mr.
Brownstein, Mr. Chapman, Ms. Hyatt and Mr. Santos all voting opposed.
The motion carries with a 5-4 vote.
4. Adjourn
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 5:39 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Christine Barrett
Clerk of Council
September 10, 2024
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Agenda
SPECIAL TOWN COUNCIL MEETING
Tuesday September 10, 2024
4:45 p.m.
Municipal Complex, Council Chambers
100 Ann Edwards Lane, Mount Pleasant, SC 29464
AGENDA
1. Call to Order
2. Public Comment
3. Appeal of Bids and Purchases Committee Finding and
Determination from August 20, 2024 Special Meeting regarding the
Town’s Landscape Maintenance Services Contract.
August 20, 2024 Bids & Purchases Committee Meeting Minutes
4. Adjourn
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