Culture, Arts & Pride Commission

CULTURE, ARTS & PRIDE COMMISSION Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:00 noon Municipal Complex, Committee Meeting Room (3300) 100 Ann Edwards Lane Mount Pleasant, SC 29464 MINUTES Members Present: Rebecca Gosnell, Chair; Ann McGahey, Bren Romano Monteiro, Kenda Sweet, Amanda Tadlock, Charles Williams Staff Present: Nicole Harvey Ms. Gosnell called the meeting to order at 12:00 p.m. 1. Approval of Minutes from the November 14, 2018 meeting Ms. Sweet made a motion to approve the minutes of the November 14, 2018 meeting. Ms. Monteiro seconded the motion. All were in favor. 2. Public Comments None 3. Report from Subcommittees a. Green Mount P Ms. Sweet said they had a meeting with Mr. James Aton regarding roundabouts. She said they had Mr. Eddie Bernard present to talk about the possibility of topiaries in roundabouts. She said they wanted to get his feedback on this project to see if it was feasible. Mr. Eddie Bernard said he did not know the scale of the topiaries they were considering. He said he understood they wanted to do some in roundabouts, which are part of state-owned streets. He said they are not the Town’s property to have full say in so anything done  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 2 of 28 would have to have South Carolina Department of Transportation’s (SCDOT) approval. He said they are worried about site lines for a driver’s perspective. He said topiaries present a lot of challenges because one cannot prune something into shape as it forms; it takes years generally. He said there would be several years of growing seasons to get something into a shape and that would be one consideration. He said that others would be maintenance and different growth rates for different plants. He said it would depend on what plants they would be trying to shape. He said it would require at least one but more than likely several rounds of pruning throughout the year to maintain that shape. He said it would be maintenance intensive and that was not his area of the Town. He said that Public Services would have to do it in-house or through the maintenance contractors the Town hires. Mr. Bernard said for those reasons it would not be an instant impact as it would be several years in the making. He said he asked some people and did not find anyone that sells pre-pruned plants, so we would be limited to whatever shapes they have. He said that short of finding somebody that does have something of any size that is already pruned into whatever shape, he did not know if they would have anything available quickly. He said that some places make wire frames of the desired shapes and grow vines on them. He said that may be a quicker route, but they would have several growing seasons in the mix depending on how big of a shape it was. He said they could be portable, and part of the wire frame could be the pot that the vine grows in so if they wanted to move it from one spot to another or have it there for a seasonal aspect and then store it somewhere that would be an option. He said he was not sure how large a topiary they were talking about. Ms. Sweet said the Commission knew about the site lines and needed to make sure it was something just a few feet tall but maybe it could spread out more. She said they had talked about the maintenance and considered possibly doing a competition with some of the local landscaping companies. She said they would have them send in designs and the Commission would pick a winner for a Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 3 of 28 particular traffic circle and they would be responsible for the maintenance of it as well. She asked Mr. Bernard if that was something that would work. Mr. Bernard said that would be a possibility but from a liability standpoint that would involve someone who is not contracted with the Town who would be working in the circle and in traffic. He said he could not speak on that. He asked if they would maintain only that plant or the entire roundabout. Ms. Sweet said it would be the topiary only. She said they did not want to add something additional to staff who already burdened with a lot. She said they thought they would make it something where different landscapers would want to participate in this program for good public relations. Mr. Bernard said that having dealt with SCDOT in the past they are going to want to know measurements from the first limb of a tree to the top of shrub to assess the window of vision. He said now they are getting where they do not even want trees. He said if there was a topiary that was wider instead of taller proportionally then that would probably block the site lines and they are not keen on that. He said from their perspective if they were to approve it, they would probably want something taller than wider or something that has more of a tree look with minimal amount in the view corridor. Ms. Sweet said she realized if they wanted something that had instant impact it would have to be something that was groomed somewhere else and transplanted. She said that transplanting tree sizes is not always successful depending on the time of year. She asked if they could do something tall that was not particularly wide and more open and airier, would that be a possibility. Mr. Bernard said they could talk to SCDOT and it would be their decision. He said he thought they would prefer something like a breakaway or something that was being temporarily brought out there for some span of time as opposed to something rooted in the ground. He said he thought they would be better with that so if a wayward car hit it, it would be less damaging. Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 4 of 28 Ms. Sweet said that was why they were thinking topiaries as well because if it was made of boxwood or something like, it would easily break away if a car hit it. Mr. Bernard said that in moving forward he thought that something permanently in the ground was going to be more challenging than the more temporary mobile art installation. Ms. Sweet said they could get some different topiary ideas. She said she had researched and there was some that are more open and airier, and they could send some photos to SCDOT to see what their thoughts were. She asked Mr. Bernard if he thought that would be a good next step. Mr. Bernard answered in the affirmative and said they could meet with SCDOT if the Commission had some ideas and scale of the size of it. Ms. Gosnell asked who would organize that meeting and asked if it would be Mr. Bernard. Mr. Bernard answered in the negative and said they would need to have Transportation involved. Ms. Sweet asked if it would be Mr. Aton, who they had met with. Mr. Bernard said they have a more direct relationship with SCDOT. He said he would be glad to be involved for input on the plantings. Ms. Sweet said that would be great and they will try to get together a meeting the first part of the year. Ms. Harvey said they will get with Mr. Aton and ask as he has been the liaison between CAP projects and the SCDOT. Ms. Sweet said it would be good if they could do it the first part of January before the next Culture, Arts & Pride (CAP) meeting so they could bring that information to the next meeting. Mr. Bernard said that with the roundabouts Porchers Bluff might be an exception as it was a ring of palms but most of them have some kind of small trees or yaupons. He said there is somewhat of a ring in the center of the Porches Bluff circle, so he was trying to think Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 5 of 28 where they would put the topiary and how visible it might be. He said if they tried to put it dead center of the roundabout in many of those, they are going to have tall shrubs or small trees that may be between the driver and the topiary. He said it might be partially obscured. He said that Porchers was different, and I’On has the crepe myrtles in the middle. Ms. Sweet said they had identified a couple. Ms. Harvey said they had talked about some in Park West obviously avoiding the areas slated for upcoming construction. Mr. Bernard said that those are larger, and they are more open. He said there was construction coming up that will impact a lot of the plantings that are currently there. He said that may be a better situation than some of the main roads and added that those would be Town-controlled roads. Ms. Harvey asked if Park West area roads were Town-owned. Mr. Bernard answered in the affirmative and said that SCDOT would not be in the equation on those so that might make it easier. Ms. Gosnell asked if Ms. Sweet would reach out to Mr. Pearl Fryar and ask him if he would consider designing something for the Commission by growing it there, then they would transport it, and what that cost would be. She said they do have CAP money that could be allocated to this project. Mr. Bernard said that Mr. Fryar had plenty, but he thought he was getting out of that or slowing down. Ms. Harvey and Ms. Sweet thanked Mr. Bernard. Ms. Harvey said that Mr. Bernard was the Town’s Arborist. b. Town Hall Art Ms. Harvey said she had been trying diligently with Ms. Lauren Sims, who was the Town Hall Project Coordinator from the Executive Offices. She said the hooks that came with the hanging system are missing and they have been searching for them. She said they are Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 6 of 28 trying to figure out if they are somewhere or if they need to order more. She said it has been a long process for various reasons. Ms. Gosnell asked how much the hooks cost. Ms. Harvey said she would investigate the cost of them. Ms. Gosnell asked if she knew the source of the hooks. Ms. Harvey answered in the affirmative and said part of the process was going back to the building contractors. She said she did get the hardware specs but had to go to the website to check pricing. Ms. Gosnell asked if she could give that information to Ms. Tracy Richter and see if they could get some pricing before the end of the meeting. Mr. Steve Gergick said he had information on that and would go get it. Ms. Harvey asked if it was the same system. Mr. Gergick answered in the affirmative. Ms. Harvey said that as soon as they identify where the hooks are and how long it would take to get them, they will schedule the hanging day. She reached out to all the artists and they are very excited. She said a couple of them are having their art framed, so it is fine that there is a bit of delay. She said they are really scheduled to hang from January through March, so they are still in good shape on that. She said she heard back from the artist who submitted the 3D art that they had questions about. She said that Rivers to the Sea and Luminaire would both stick out from the wall about nine inches, and That Sunday in Jeanette Creek would stick out from the wall eight inches. Ms. Gosnell asked how many units of art they had approved for hanging. Ms. Harvey said there were 11 total units. She said that a couple of those they are hanging either side by side or up and down on top of each other because they are very small. She said that they do have room for more. She said that because this was an open submission, Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 7 of 28 they did receive a few additional in the last month and wanted to share those with them. She shared Ms. Julia Kelly’s artwork pieces: Mercy (30 x 40 inches), Subtle Power (30 x 40 inches), and Thunder (16 x 40 inches). Ms. Gosnell said as she recalled they approved a piece from each artist submission on the last cycle. Ms. Harvey said except for the one of the 3D art that they had questions about. She shared Mr. Dave Harrison’s artwork pieces: Justify (25 x 30 inches), The Boar Hunt (20 x 25 inches), and Passing Time (16 x 18 inches). Finally, she shared Ms. Deborah Palmer’s artwork pieces: Carolina Sunrise (43 x 23 inches), East Bay Chimneys (29 x 23 inches), and Carolina Spring (31 x 19 inches). She did not know if they wanted to consider adding any to this round of hanging but thought she would show them in case they did. Ms. Gosnell asked Ms. Monteiro if she saw a down side in adding to the selections. Ms. Monteiro said they had the time as they were not intending for them to go live until January. She said she still was not clear on how much space or how they are spreading them out. She said that may need to do that specific walk and say where they want them. Ms. Harvey said that she printed individual copies, so they could walk the halls after the meeting to lay out where they are going to put them. She said if they wanted to, they could decide that, space permitting, they would like one from each of the three artists. Ms. Monteiro said that she felt all three artists have pieces that are a little more Mount Pleasant and maybe some of the other pieces are not as suitable. She asked if they could see them again. She said that Passing Time felt a little more relevant to the Town. She asked if one picture was a shipping container. Ms. Harvey answered in the affirmative. She said that the name of the picture was Subtle Power and she thought it was an interesting name for a piece of art. Ms. Gosnell asked Ms. Monteiro of the three which did she prefer. Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 8 of 28 Ms. Monteiro said she likes Subtle Power. She said it was a typical thing that one sees from any of our waterways. Ms. Gosnell said it sounded like there was consensus for that selection. Ms. Harvey said they had selected Passing Time and Subtle Power. Ms. Harvey shared Ms. Palmer’s art again. Ms. Monteiro said she thought the first one was the one that fits in the most but technically and artistically she really liked the style on the second or third one. She asked what everyone else thought. Ms. Tadlock asked if the first was Station 22. She said also liked the second. Ms. Harvey said the name of it was Carolina Sunrise. She said that the description was Station 22 on Sullivan’s Island. Ms. Gosnell said that in terms of other things that they have approved this was more similar. She said if they wanted to change it up the second gives a different perspective. Ms. Monteiro said she was thinking the second. She said she did not think everything had to be specific to Mount Pleasant, but it was nice to have some connection. She said she was leaning toward the second. Ms. Gosnell said that was what she was leaning toward. She said that looks like the selection from the group. Ms. Harvey confirmed that they were selecting Carolina Spring. She said they will lay them out after the meeting and space permitting, they will accept the additional three. Ms. Gosnell asked Mr. Gergick if he had some hook information for them. Mr. Gergick said the systems in the recreation centers are from Walker Display. He said that they purchased them in April of 2016. He said the price he had was for the whole system. He said it was molding, the end caps, the rods, and everything. He said that hooks Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 9 of 28 are shown as two packs of ten hooks. He said they were $100 for two of them, $50 per pack. Ms. Harvey said it was $5 per hook. Mr. Gergick said it looks like it was compatible and looks like the exact same system. He said it was what they had at the Jones Center, Park West, and the Darby Building. Ms. Harvey said she thought if it was not compatible it was probably a very similar price. Ms. Gosnell said they need to order 30 hooks. Ms. Monteiro asked if there were 30 spaces there. Mr. Gergick said there were several different attachments on the email. Ms. Gosnell asked if they are going to sort out whose budget this would come out of. Ms. Harvey said they will sort that out. Ms. Gosnell said for them to make a motion that they request that the Town replace those under the original construction décor budget and if not then CAP approves funding through their budget to purchase 30. She asked if everyone was agreement. The Commission members agreed. Ms. Gosnell asked if they will get ordered today while they are sitting there. Ms. Harvey answered in the negative. She said she had to put in a purchase order. She said it would be very soon. She said she will begin dealing with the process that afternoon. Ms. Gosnell said she was excited to see all the art go up. Ms. Harvey said that they need to create an info card of whatever they want to hang with the art. She asked if they wanted to print those themselves on card stock or have them printed. Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 10 of 28 Ms. Gosnell said she thought that they discussed that at the last meeting. Ms. Monteiro said she knew they discussed it but did not know what they decided. She said she knows they could do a simple card and had talked about the bottom right. She thought a simple stock white with black over white. She said she did not know how they would be mounted. She said they would not want to mount it on their piece of art. Ms. Sweet said they would put it on the wall. Ms. Monteiro said they need to figure out how to get it on the wall. Ms. Harvey said they have things that can be used to put something up that will not damage the wall. c. Sculpture Ms. McGahey said the only update for sculpture is that she will be reaching out to the College of Charleston to set up their tour of mock ups after the new year. Ms. Gosnell said they had debated about the placement of the Sculpture base at the last meeting for one of the locations. Ms. McGahey said the library. Ms. Harvey said that she had the PUPS surveys completed for both locations to include the Jones Center. She said that in scheduling the meeting with the man from the Sculpture Department at the College of Charleston who is going to build the bases they have had significant scheduling difficulties between the end of the semester and him helping students finalize things plus several art displays. She said they are meeting the next morning at 9:30 a.m. to get that process going. She said there are no issues with electrical or internet lines. She said that all the utility companies have surveyed it and they are in good shape. She said anyone is welcome to join them at the Jones Center at 9:30 and then go to the library to look at those locations. Ms. McGahey asked about the two spots. Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 11 of 28 Ms. Harvey said that one was to right of the entry door and one was between the parking lot and Anna Knapp in the large open grass space. Ms. Gosnell asked if they had discussed with the group the SeeWee Proposal for sculpture. Ms. Harvey answered in the negative. Ms. Gosnell said she wanted to let everybody know that an application came through the Accommodations Tax Advisory Committee (ATAC) from the Southeastern Wildlife Expo in partnership with an agreement with Brookgreen. She said that they would like to put a long-term sculpture program in Mount Pleasant. She said they would loan pieces to the Town that come into the Expo as well as their relationship with Brookgreen who was looking for opportunities to put sculpture out in the community. She said that funds have been approved from the ATAC committee to underwrite that process. She said she will try to get an update and keep them informed about what was happening. She said that they may need some input from the Commission on planning the location of those pieces once they identify the scope. Ms. McGahey asked if they were temporary. Ms. Gosnell said they were temporary in that they are looking at this as a long-term relationship where those may change out over time but once a sculpture piece comes into play, they would try to continue to keep a piece rotating into that location whether it was one, two, or three years. She said it was very exciting. Ms. Sweet said it sounds like an awesome program. d. Emerging Arts Ms. Gosnell said this would be the oyster sculptures and asked for an update on the submissions for it. Ms. Harvey said she had done a social media push to get more applications. She shared the applications received. She said these were concepts of what they would paint on the oyster. She shared Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 12 of 28 a tray of what one artist did, but it was similar to what she would do on the oyster. She would do some silver and/or gold leaves. She said her description was that she was a fluid acrylic artist and the design would include poured acrylic paint over the sculpture to mimic the colors of the ocean and beach. She said it would include silver and/or gold leaves to highlight the inside of the oyster. She said that the base would be painted to look like sand on the beach. She said that oyster would be very colorful, beautiful, and unique just like our amazing town. She shared Ms. Melanie Frank’s submission and asked if they would like her to read description. Ms. Gosnell answered in the negative and asked what else they had. Ms. Harvey shared one by Mr. James Brock and said that he pointed out that our town limits mimic the shape of an oyster. She said he laid out some landmarks in our town. She said that he wanted to show the different places one can get to from here and said he would be happy to add any additional landmarks that they would like for him to put on there. She shared a Mermaid and a Shrimp Boat. Ms. Harvey said Ms. Kris Manning was one of the artists they selected for Town Hall Art too. She said hers was kind of a koi pond. She said Mr. Steven Bond was another Town Hall artist and shared the two he submittted. Ms. Gosnell asked if they could take the list of mural artists that Ms. McKenzie Provost has put together and send them an invitation to participate in this project while they are waiting on some mural opportunities since this was people who are doing large scale work. Ms. Harvey said it was up to them. She said she would caution that she had said in the application that these have to be picked up next week and delivered back to Six Mile by the week of Oyster Festival. Ms. Gosnell said she did not think they had enough submissions to be sticking to that timeline. Ms. Monteiro had a question about the texture on the oyster and if it was smooth. She was concerned about something that has so Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 13 of 28 much detail if it was a rough finish. She said they could be thinking about what sort of art lends itself best. Ms. Harvey said if one looks at the samples there was some detailed art on them. She said it was up to the artist. She said there was a tip sheet from the manufacturer included with the application that tells them how to prepare the surface. Ms. Gosnell asked when they were due to arrive. Ms. Harvey said they have arrived and are in a container at Six Mile. Ms. Gosnell asked if there could be a viewing time for artist to come by and look at them. Ms. Sweet said they looked smoother than she thought. Ms. Monteiro said she was thinking the same thing. Ms. Harvey said there was a space for a plaque and they had talked at the last meeting about just having them sign it. Ms. Monteiro said it helped seeing the texture up close. She said it looked chalky but smooth. Ms. Harvey said the back side and the bottom are rough. She said the front is deeply detailed. She said one concern she had and did not know if it scared people off was with the fact they have to pick up and then bring it back and perhaps people thing it is too heavy. She said she could pick it up by herself except the size is prohibitive for one person. Ms. Gosnell said they should tell people what it weighs so they do not feel intimidated by that. Ms. Tadlock asked if they were submitting also for the back and said it would be nice to see that. Ms. Harvey said she thought so. Ms. Gosnell asked Ms. McKenzie Provost what her schedule was today and asked if she would have time to go and photograph the front and the back and give it a weight estimate and get the Commission some information. Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 14 of 28 Ms. Harvey said it was 45 pounds. Ms. Tadlock asked if it would fit in someone’s car or if they needed a truck. Ms. Harvey said it was four feet tall and the base was three feet by three feet. She said one would need a truck or a large SUV. Ms. Gosnell said it could be something that the seats would lay down such as a hatchback. Ms. Harvey said it was not fragile and was hollow fiberglass. Ms. Gosnell said Ms. Provost would not need to go. Ms. Monteiro said that the artist may be questioning if it was too much of a project. Ms. Sweet said that they did forget the back side of it and they need the total design. Ms. Gosnell said that if they have a couple of submissions that they feel strongly about they could move forward with those. She said they could keep the process open until they have more submissions. She said if they only end up with two in time for the Oyster Festival that was fine. Ms. Sweet said at least they can still roll out the program with a couple of prototypes to the public. She said that could get a lot more interest going for the rest of it, so they do not need to have all of them done for the Oyster Festival as long as they can have at least two to show two different designs. Ms. Gosnell said the acrylic pour was an interesting idea for it. She said that the artist cannot tell them how it would turn out because if was acrylic pour. She said the other was more concrete and made her feel more comfortable. She asked if they could pick two that they felt good about. Ms. Monteiro said she was intrigued by the one that was a map and the layout. Ms. Tadlock agreed. Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 15 of 28 Ms. Sweet said she did not know how he figured out the layout. Ms. Monteiro said it was a totally different point of view. Ms. Sweet asked if they could reach out to the artist and see how he planned on coloring in. Ms. McGahey asked if it was just text. Ms. Harvey said she thought it was. Ms. Monteiro asked if he was not going to do anything at all to the actual background. Ms. Gosnell said she did not think so. Ms. Tadlock asked if he intended to paint the landmarks. She said Boone Hall was on there and maybe he was intending to, but the picture shown was too small to show that. Ms. Gosnell asked for his description. Ms. Harvey said it read the design was a representation of the Mount Pleasant city limits which pleasingly fits the shape of the oyster. She said his intent was to show the many special places in the city as well as the many other wonderful places so nearby. She said he would leave the back of oyster as is. Ms. Gosnell said she thought his was one. Ms. Sweet said she loved the concept. Ms. Monteiro agreed. Ms. McGahey said it looked like one of the traffic boxes. Ms. Gosnell asked Ms. Tadlock if she wanted to create some graphics to go with that concept. Ms. Harvey said she had been in discussions with the origami artist and she had a good idea she wanted to do but she was not at a point to submit yet. She said that one of the questions she was trying to figure out is whether or not they could do an image application like one does on a surfboard. Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 16 of 28 Ms. Gosnell asked if they all agreed the submission from Chris Manning with worth moving forward on. She said that was the koi. The Commission agreed. Ms. Gosnell asked if that was worth moving forward with in time for the Oyster Festival. Ms. Harvey answered in the affirmative. Ms. Gosnell asked if there was anything else that everyone feels is worth moving forward on. Ms. Harvey reviewed the pictures again. Ms. Monteiro said she liked the pelican and koi. The Commission agreed. Ms. Gosnell said they would like to reach out to the artists for the pelican and koi and let them know that they would like to have their project start in time to be completed for the Oyster Fest. She asked that Ms. Harvey contact the Oyster Festival and let them know there will be two instead of five oysters now. Ms. Monteiro asked if anyone knew the date of the Oyster Festival. Ms. Harvey said it was January 26. Ms. Gosnell asked if Ms. Provost could reach out to the mural artists and see if they could get anymore submissions. Ms. Harvey said that she tried to tag a lot of people and art organizations when she posted it. She said she would send her the press release and the link to the application. Ms. Sweet said that she suggests that they keep the others and do not dismiss the others yet until they see what else they come up with. She said they will not tell the others that they are rejected yet. Ms. Harvey said she did say in the application that they would be informed by Friday because the Commission has a schedule to follow. She asked how they would like for her to proceed. Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 17 of 28 Ms. Monteiro said that while they were not selected for round one that they would like to consider them for future installations. She said that if they do not want to be considered then that would be the time for them to say. e. Traffic Box Art Ms. Harvey said the SCDOT came back with several concerns and she had addressed those with them. She said that Mr. Anton is awaiting an answer to the responses. Ms. Gosnell said that when they talk about SCDOT she asked if it was one person that they are typically working with. Ms. Harvey said that there was a new person reviewing the traffic boxes so some of the issues they came back with are things they have approved in the past. She said that one was they could not have signatures on them and they have before. Ms. Monteiro asked why there could be no signatures. Ms. Harvey said it was because SCDOT said it should not be an advertisement, which it is not. She said she and Mr. Anton think it will be fine. She sent samples of previously approved ones that had signatures. She said it was a traffic box that people are driving by and the chance of people even seeing the signature are slim. She said the one she may have to change it where Ms. Hollie Fisher’s daughter put the date on there and that is easily done in photo shop by taking the date out. f. Paint the Town Ms. Gosnell said at the last meeting they discussed the fact that they need to come up with a document for the businesses they were going to ask to donate their space. She said they would then ask Mr. Steve Gergick and Mr. Eric DeMoura to meet on that and come up with whether they were agreeable to that. She thought that paradigm was incorrect. She said that instead of she as a committee member trying to come up with policy and procedure that they would sign off on she thought staff needs to come up with a policy and procedure that they approve and come back to the Commission Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 18 of 28 with. She said her concern was that we are behind on the timeline that they had for this project. She said that the funding was approved by ATAC in June and they are going to be at a point where they have to report that this project has been executed with those funds and she said that they are not going to get there. She said she would like the staff based on their availability to give them a new timeline of what is doable from the staff, what they can execute and when can they execute it and the document that they approve of that would allow them to do a public/private partnership with them donating the space and what are their concerns and where are the contingency questions that have to be answered in that document. She said that when complete, the commissioners will go out to the community to ask them to participate. She said they need a new timeline that gets this project done in time for the funding cycle of confirmation that reflects what staff time is available to get this project executed. She said they as a Committee are executing the project instead of continuing to drive a timeline that the staff cannot meet and policies and procedures that do not exist. Ms. Harvey said that the question that was going to have to be answered before anyone can write any policy is whether or not they have approval from State Accommodations Tax on whether it is permissable. Ms. Gosnell said they had been around this a hundred times. She said what they have made clear is that the State ATAC approves public/private partnerships as long as there was no money being exchanged to the business owners. She said what they are asking for is a document. Ms. Harvey said that was the first time she had heard that. Ms. Gosnell answered in the negative and said they had that conversation with her in a phone call. She said that we are pitching a public/private partnership and asking the businesses to donate the space. She said that ATAC funds would be used to fund the artist and they just need a document that Mr. DeMoura can sign off on that says he understands how they are doing this. She said they had a Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 19 of 28 conversation with Mr. Ed Riggs and feel comfortable with everything they are asking but they keep running into these paperwork roadblocks. She said she cannot write the policy and cannot write what they approve of as it was asking too much of a Committee member who has no relationship with the staff. Ms. Sweet said that Mr. Riggs cannot give a definitive until he sees that paperwork, but he did say that as they outlined it to him, he did not see a problem with it. She said he cannot speak to specifics until he saw the policy. Mr. Williams said they are going to be dealing with a lot of absentee landlords. Ms. Gosnell answered in the negative and said that the Commission does not make that choice. Mr. Williams said that he knew that but if they go out to approach one of the businesses, they may say they do not own this building and it was owned by J and K in Charlotte. He said that was the case with a lot of businesses in Mount Pleasant. Ms. Gosnell said that she agreed but if that is going to be the case then that would not be a person that they would be working with. She said they are going with people who own a business, who want to see artwork on their business, and have the power to make that happen. Mr. Williams said they own the business but do not own the building. Ms. Gosnell said then the Commission cannot deal with that person. Mr. Williams said exactly but they are going to run into that a lot because he realized that years ago when he did a lot of stories for the business section. He said the problem was running into all the absentee landlords. He said then they have all of the doughnut holes in the town that are not part of the town. Ms. Gosnell said that she heard Mr. Williams. She said that what she was feeling was that she was tired of the culture of no. She said that she wants them to move forward and say yes. She said that some Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 20 of 28 things will be hard, and some things require them to jump through hoops but if they are committed to making this Town an artful place with a culture that supports and engages art, they have to do the hard things. She said she was about a culture of yes and how they get things done. Ms. Monteiro said that she felt that once they can get one or two businesses to come on board and to agree to it then they would be other businesses wanting to it also. She said that they need to break ground on it and look for a couple of businesses that may be easy to work with. Ms. Harvey asked for some direction as she did jump through a lot of hoops and finally did get approvals on Fire Station 7 and the Jones Center. She said that was two buildings that are quite visible that do give them somewhere to start. She asked if they wanted to start that process now and that way they would walk out of the meeting and immediately begin getting that submission request out as they do have two public buildings that they do not need answers on anything anymore except who was going to paint them and choose a design for them. She asked if they would like for her to get the submissions out for those two buildings. Ms. Gosnell answered in the affirmative. She said that Ms. Provost had the list of all of the mural artist that they had identified. Ms. Harvey thanked Ms. Provost and asked if she could forward that information to her. g. It’s Raining Art! Ms. Harvey said she wanted some wanted some input as it was silhouettes. She said when she started the application, she began to think about it had to have verbiage on there that it was going to be graphic art. Ms. Monteiro asked if they needed to add a couple of examples on it. Ms. Harvey said it had to be able to hold together as a stencil. She said that the application was in process. Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 21 of 28 Ms. Monteiro said the best example of a stencil was the Town logo. h. Marketing Ms. McGahey said she sent a recap from their subcommittee meeting to Ms. Harvey that she thought she could share. She said they have a Facebook page and thanked Ms. Harvey. She said they are going to get the name changed. She said instead CAP it will read Mount Pleasant Art Everywhere. She said they discussed and came up with a description on the page to read that the purpose was to showcase local artist and connect them to their community. She said Mount Pleasant Art Everywhere will profile artists, announce gallery openings, exhibits and other art events and promote opportunities for the creative community to submit work for artist programs and festivals. She said that this page is administered by the Mount Pleasant Culture, Arts & Pride Commission. She said they could work on getting images uploaded on there. She said Ms. Monteiro volunteered to get them on if they could get their hands on some images. She said that the administrators of the page are going to be Ms. Harvey, Ms. McGahey, Ms. Monteiro, and Ms. Tadlock if she was willing to. Ms. Gosnell said they are taking her name off and putting Ms. Tadlock’s on. Ms. Harvey said Ms. Tadlock does not want to link her personal account. Ms. Sweet asked if it would be an option to create a Gmail account for Ms. Tadlock. Ms. Tadlock said she would be willing to do that. Ms. Sweet said she understood Ms. Tadlock not wanting to tie her personal account to this but she would like for her to be able to be an administrator since she had that background. She said that maybe they could create a CAP Gmail account. Ms. Harvey said they had reached 2200 people with the oyster shell post. She said that between herself, Ms. Richter, and Ms. Monteiro inviting their friends they have 84 likes since it was set up. Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 22 of 28 Mr. Williams said he invited 75. Ms. Harvey said they had reached they will continue to grow the community. She said for everyone to go on and like it and invite all their friends to like it if they have not already. Ms. Monteiro said she emailed the Artist Guild and asked them if it was permissible to link this Facebook on their Facebook page and was waiting to hear back. Ms. Harvey said she purposely posted the oyster application information on that page and asked the Town page and the Recreation page to share it on their pages, so it would drive people to the Commission’s page. Ms. McGahey said they came up a list of various things of content that can be on the page. She said they also came up with a list of ideas on how the new staff person can help CAP via the Facebook page such as doing an artist profile every week. She said they thought Mr. Williams could help with that. Mr. Williams agreed. Ms. McGahey said they want to create a list of businesses that showcase public art that they can publish. She said they thought on Thursdays doing a post about art related things to do over the weekend. She said they discussed Moultrie News, Mount Pleasant Magazine, and Art Magazine features. She said that they may look into regional or statewide art events to talk about art in the state. Ms. Sweet said she wanted to commend the Marketing Committee for this. She said she was excited about it but her only comment and she asked for feedback was they are finally getting Mount Pleasant Culture, Arts & Pride’s name out there. She said they still have a problem with people knowing who and what they are. She was wondering if they change this to Art Everywhere it was her judgement that CAP was getting lost again. She asked if they should keep the page and all the information under Mount Pleasant Culture, Arts & Pride for branding purposes so that everyone starts to realize who they are and what they are. She said that way they could put Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 23 of 28 other things on there like the Pride Award, Green Mount P, and cultural events. She said she would love to hear what everyone thinks. She said they could still keep Art Everywhere somewhere within this, but she thought turning it into just Art Everywhere loses the other aspects of CAP and does not give them the branding that they need for CAP. Ms. Tadlock agreed. Ms. Monteiro said that her initial reaction was that it just needs to be Culture, Arts & Pride but she thought they could double brand it. She said it could have the same way one sees the logo and it is just a subtle kind of connection that shows it is a Town of Mount Pleasant initiative. She said they are not going to hide that it is Culture, Arts & Pride Commission. Ms. Tadlock said she was not sure about creating a whole separate brand for Art Everywhere. She said she understood they wanted more of an open forum for other artist communities to be able to also make use of the page, but she thought they could still do that. Ms. Monteiro said they would like to get the artist community to see this as a page where they can freely post things like art gallery openings and displays or requests for submissions. She said they can have a clearinghouse of what is going on. She said she sees both sides. Ms. Gosnell said they did have that discussion at the meeting and where they landed was, they saw this product as a vehicle for promoting art. She said it may not be the vehicle for promoting other things but for now they saw it for connecting people to art. Mr. Williams asked if they could have access to that page, so they can promote it or where do they forward their information. Ms. Harvey said that the public has the ability to post on any Town page with this one included. Ms. Tadlock said it would be the same way regardless of whether it was called Art Everywhere or who could post on it. She said she thought it was within their mission to do exactly what Ms. Monteiro Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 24 of 28 had very articulacy conveyed. She said she felt they are wanting to build CAP’s brand to where they are recognized and that may be a little more difficult but ultimately it was worth it to stick to one brand and build that presence. Ms. Monteiro said one of the challenges is that they called the Commission CAP because it was easier to say than the whole thing. She said it was harder to brand that as a name because they do not have a separate logo. She said that they just have the big long name. She said the idea of Mount Pleasant Art Everywhere was to come up with something a little catchier and a little bit easier for people to reference as well. Mr. Williams said to take off the Mount Pleasant and it would be Art Everywhere. Ms. Gosnell said it sounds like there is an opportunity for the Marketing Committee to have this discussion again and see if they can flush it out in one direction or another with this input. She asked if Ms. Tadlock could join them for that because she did value where she was coming from. She said they should have another meeting just to address this topic and see if they can get clear on what they are trying to do and whether they are doing it in the best way. Ms. McGahey concurred. She asked if it was too much to say the Mount Pleasant Art Everywhere is just one subsection or avenue for the A part of CAP. Ms. Sweet said that is what she was thinking. Ms. Harvey said the reason she went to the About page was she wanted to show them that she typed in the Mission of the page but there was a space to write a shorter description. She said the reason it went under the Mission was because of the character limit. She said that may be a part of the focus of that smaller description. Ms. McGahey asked if the Mount Pleasant Art Everywhere has to be the CAP page or the same thing. Ms. Harvey asked if she meant a second page. Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 25 of 28 Ms. Sweet asked if there was a way to keep the CAP page but then do a sub page. Ms. Monteiro said in the cover photo. Ms. Harvey said the cover page could be an Art Everywhere graphic. Ms. Gosnell said they should may work in that direction. She said they will have another meeting to try to sort it out. 4. New Business Ms. Gosnell said she said she understood they have approval to hire someone and asked for some clarity. Ms. Harvey said she has to write a job description and hire someone. She said that part of that job description is going to be supporting part of what they do on CAP. She said there are some other administrative things she will have this person do. Ms. Gosnell asked if it was a full time or a part time position. Ms. Harvey said it was part time. Ms. Gosnell asked how many hours per week. Mr. Gergick said in the 20-hour range. Ms. Gosnell asked if they knew what the pay amount was going to be. Mr. Gergick said they will have to look at how it grades out. Ms. Gosnell said they all probably have some people they could recommend to them if they understood a little bit about it. Ms. Harvey said that as soon as a job description was written and posted she will forward it to all of the Committee members. Mr. Gergick said he would imagine it would be around the $10 per hour range. Ms. Gosnell said Ms. Provost was back on as an intern for this semester. Ms. McGahey said she had a client who was opening an urgent care in north Mount Pleasant and was curious when he knew she served on this Commission if there was any way to help promote or incorporate public art into private businesses for display and could they be a part of it. Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 26 of 28 Ms. Harvey said they had talked about they would facilitate some kind of connections with artists. She said part of what the College of Charleston is doing in the art study will get an inventory of art, artists, and art programs. She said it was similar to what Ms. Tracy Richter put together for them several years ago only more detailed and current as it had been quite a while since they did that. She said she would hope that they could make something like that available to the public. Ms. McGahey said it was like a database. Ms. Harvey said she thought they would be a facilitator of connections. Ms. Gosnell said the page could help with that. She said they could ask if there are businesses that would like to hang to art and was there artist who would like to participate. She said it would become a clearinghouse for all art related things. She said she knew there was a conflict on the January meeting with people’s schedules. Ms. Harvey said she would be flying out on the January 9. Ms. Gosnell said that she would like at the January meeting for staff to prepare an update on their budget, so they can see what was spent, what they intended to spend, and if the do not think they are going to spend it they can make some decisions to shift the budget. Ms. Harvey said it would be a mid-year review. Ms. Gosnell said it would be a mid-year budget review and would guess she would not have time to do that before an earlier meeting on January 2 unless she said otherwise. Ms. Harvey said her proposal was going to be that they move the meeting back a week. Ms. Gosnell said they are looking at January 16 and asked if that would work for everyone. The Committee agreed. Ms. Gosnell said they would move the CAP meeting to January 16 and that involves a room reservation and a public meeting notice change by the staff. She said they will be doing a mid-year budget review to make some decisions about those adjustments. Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 27 of 28 Ms. Gosnell said for the last matter of business she had been selected to Chair the ATAC Commission. She said she had been on that Commission for three years now and they have made a lot of changes and she was excited about where that was headed. She said it certainly has become a way for them to move funds into CAP initiatives. She said that creates a conflict of interest for her to Chair because money does move from one to the other. She said with that she was stepping down as Chair at the end of the meeting and they need to elect a new Chair and Vice-Chair. She said with that there has been some discussion. She said she would like to nominate Ms. Monteiro to step up from Vice-Chair to Chair and ask Ms. McGahey if she would agree to serve as Vice-Chair. She said she would like to have some discussion from the group to see if there were any other people who want to jump up. Ms. Sweet said those were her suggestions as well. Ms. Gosnell asked Mr. Williams how he felt about that. Mr. Williams said it sounded fine to him. Ms. Gosnell asked Ms. Tadlock’s for her opinion. Ms. Tadlock said that was great. Ms. Sweet made a motion to nominate Ms. Monteiro as the Chair of CAP and Ms. McGahey to be the Vice-Chair for the CAP Commission starting the minute the meeting was adjourned. Mr. Williams seconded the motion. All were in favor. Ms. Harvey said that Council appointed Mr. Frank Sonnetag as the Commission’s new member. She said Ms. Sweet knows him. She said he was interested in serving because he strongly believes in how the arts affect economy and quality of life in a community. He has a Master of Arts in Arts Administration and is a self-employed non-profit management consultant. She said he was very excited to get started with the Commission. Ms. Gosnell said one more item was to handle the Pride Award selection. She asked if anyone went out and make their choices. Telephone (843) 884-8517 - Fax (843) 856-2180 www.tompsc.com  Culture, Arts & Pride Commission December 12, 2018 Page 28 of 28 Ms. Monteiro said she did go out to take a look and said everything was brown grass and asked if they could move this to the spring so they can get people at their absolute best. She said she was driving on Rifle Range and the entrances to the neighborhoods were not good. Ms. Harvey said this award had been taking place long before the Commission took over the Civic Pride Award and she did not know of a need to keep it at the same time of year. Ms. Gosnell said over time it has gotten moved. Ms. Harvey said it pre-dates the CAP Commission it was part of the Pride Commission and was always done at the end of every year. She did not think there was a reason they could not make a decision to change it as long as it happens in this fiscal year. Ms. Monteiro said they would be stretching it to give the award as they do not have a lot of good candidates. She said if they could move it to March or April that would be good. Mr. Williams said that in lieu of any other candidates he was going to nominate Mr. John Royall. He said not because his place looks that good but because he has done so much for the Town. He would not be deserving of any landscaping on his place. Ms. Gosnell said he just answered the question. She said they would move it to April when things are green. 5. Adjourn There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 1:14 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Karen Bedenbaugh, 12/12/18 Title VI Notice: The Town of Mount Pleasant fully complies with Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and related statutes and regulations in all programs and activities. 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