Public Safety (Subcommittee of the City Council)
Regular MeetingNorwich, CT · April 15, 2020
Minutes
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MINUTES
Special Meeting via ZOOM App
Wednesday April 15, 2020
6:00 PM
Committee Members Present: Alderman Mark Bettencourt and Alderman Joseph
A. DeLucia.
Committee Members Absent: Alderman William Nash.
Administration and Staff Present: City Manager John Salomone, City of Norwich.
Volunteer/Central Fire Departments and Others: Taftville Chief Timothy
Jencks and and Yantic Chief Frank Blanchard.
Citizens Present: Alderwoman Stacy Gould (by phone), Mayor Peter A. Nystrom (by
phone), Joanne Philbrick, Melanie Moon, Steven Caisse, Robert Allen
I. Call to Order and Quorum: Alderman DeLucia called the meeting to order at
6:08 PM. There was a quorum present.
II. Citizen Comment: Joanne Philbrick of 10 Elm Avenue asked the Aldermen in
attendance what the goal was of adding the study onto the last City Council
meeting agenda and stated she felt it was irresponsible to address it at this time.
Joanne Philbrick also asked how the study would be funded. Joanne Philbrick
noted there were already reports in existence such as the Tallman report, a
detailed survey distributed by Alderman Gerald Martin and that the chiefs had
already been meeting with the City Manager all of which providing no results so
she questions how this new study would differ. Joanne Philbrick stated while
there may be issues within the fire service that need to be addressed it would not
be the proper use of taxpayer money at this time. Joanne Philbrick stated the City
just went through a bond issue, in which voters appropriated 3.2 million dollars
for fire trucks and communications, where a good portion of the funds was
wasted due to inaction by leadership, not the departments. Joanne Philbrick
recommended pushing off the study for a year or so and questioned the purpose
in sending out a RFP now if there wouldn’t be intent to act on it.
Melanie Moon of 130 North Wawecus Hill Road stated she was aware of many
emails that were sent to the Aldermen that had not been addressed at the
previous meeting and felt that tonight’s meeting would not affect the decision
already made by the Aldermen. Melanie Moon reiterated her position from the
previous meeting that it is irresponsible of the City to be spending taxpayer
money on the study at this time.
Chief Frank Blanchard of 151 Yantic Road stated he agreed with the statements
made and wished to address comments made by the Aldermen at the past
meeting. Chief Blanchard stated much time and effort was put into the fire study
done by the chiefs and City Manager. Chief Blanchard continued that to his
knowledge the study was done without any direction from the Public Safety
Committee and over the course of a year the City Manager held many meetings
where valuable information was put together. Chief Blanchard stated he was
aware that the City Manager distributed the report and the Public Safety
Committee did not respond with any directive. Chief Blanchard stated while he is
not against a fire service study he does not feel that during the middle of a
pandemic is the appropriate time.
Steven Caisse of 31 South A Street stated as the former chief of Taftville Fire
Department he had sat through many fire safety studies and does not see how
this one would further the information gathered by the City Manager and the
chiefs. Steven Caisse stated he did not feel the City should be looking at a study
during the COVID-19 crisis.
Chief Timothy Jencks of 134 Providence Street reiterated his comments at the
last meeting that it is irresponsible of the Council to be pursuing the study at a
time when the future is uncertain. Chief Jencks, stated as Chief Blanchard did,
that a lot of effort was put into the study the chiefs had developed with the City
Manager without any directive from the Public Safety Commission. Chief Jencks
stated he had looked through previous minutes and could find where City Council
had instructed the decrease of the City fleet, as was stated at the previous Public
Safety Committee meeting, and questioned if that referred solely to the fire
service. Chief Jencks stated he felt it was irresponsible to conduct the study at
this time during the COVID-19 crisis.
Robert Allen of 151 Yantic Road stated first he wished to clarify that at the
previous virtual Public Safety Committee meeting the public was in fact
prompted for a password so any issues with access was not a fault of citizens.
Robert Allen questioned if the study was an avenue for the Public Safety
Committee to push the CCD tax through the City.
Alderwoman Stacy Gould of 1 Meadow Lane stated in response to the Aldermen’s
statement that the study needs to be conducted for an assessment in response to
dispatch assignments; the chiefs already have such plans in place and make those
decisions based on community need to ensure that the fire departments
suppression capabilities encompass deployment of personnel, equipment and
resources for the initial alarm and additional assignments. Alderwoman Gould
continued that the City’s fire departments all have in place automatic aid and
mutual aid agreements. Alderwoman Gould stated the City’s qualified
consultants, the fire chiefs that live and work in the community with over 60
combined years of fire experience, are making those decisions. Alderwoman
Gould stated it is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel unless the Commission is
suggesting the chiefs are knowingly and purposely putting lives in danger.
Alderwoman Gould added that in response to the Aldermen’s comments about
standardizing the response time date that all departments report their incidents
to the State of Connecticut and the National Fire Incident Reporting System via
emergency reporting. Alderwoman Gould stated the State collects this
information to be used partially by the Insurance Service Office to create ratings
for the fire departments to determine property insurance costs. Alderwoman
Gould stated Norwich has one of the highest ratings possible and if the
Commission is challenging the validity of the response time information from the
departments it should be discussed now. Alderwoman Gould stated it is common
knowledge that there is a communication issue with the IMC Bridge so it is
unnecessary to have a consultant provide that information. Alderwoman Gould
continued that in February 2019 the City Council asked City Manager John
Salomone and the City’s fire chiefs to facilitate an analysis of the City’s fire
apparatuses including an inventory and replacement schedule and that
information was provided to the City Council on September 3, 2019. Alderwoman
Gould stated the six-month old report included an inventory, a priority of
replacement schedule, estimated replacement costs, capital funding sources, a
hypothetical funding schedule and a hypothetical apparatus reduction schedule.
Alderwoman Gould stated while the existing study may not be perfect the work is
already completed so it would be logical to build upon that as the City Council
and the Public Safety Commission can access that report and should instruct the
City Manager to put that information into a concise report that can be studied to
determine how to move forward without expanding taxpayer dollars at this time.
Public comment closed at 6:29 PM
III. Old Business:
a. Discussion and possible action on 2020 Fire Service Study RFP
resolution referral: Alderman Mark Bettencourt it would be his
preference to not conduct the study at this time as there is enough
information currently available however the issue is that the organizational
structure of the fire service is such that each unit looks after its own interest
without it those necessarily being in conjunction with the City’s when it
comes to financing. Alderman Bettencourt stated it is not his intent to move
the CCD tax throughout the City. Alderman Bettencourt stated while he
feels each chief operates great within their individual department he does
not feel as though the organizational structure exists to deal with the issues
at hand without making sacrifices within some of the fire houses and he is
not sure those issues can be reasonably discussed or decided upon by the
chiefs and City Manager alone that is why he is interested in conducting the
study. Alderman Bettencourt responded to citizen comment by stating every
RFP states in its final wording that it does not have to be awarded and the
City does not currently know what the cost of the study would be. Alderman
Bettencourt stated he would not be interested in pursuing the study if it will
be an exborhant cost. Alderman Bettencourt stated there would be future
opportunities to discuss the study and its cost at City Council meetings as
funds would need to be allocated for it.
Alderman Mark Bettencourt made a motion that the Public Safety
Committee forward a favorable recommendation on the resolution
regarding an RFP for an analysis of the City’s Fire Service. Further, the
Public Safety Committee recommends that the City Council consider
amending the resolution so that the last paragraph reads:
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, BY THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
NORWICH, that the City Manager is hereby directed that the RFP and
analysis of the City’s Fire Service should be completed by November 30,
2020.
Alderman Joe DeLucia seconded. The motion passed unanimously.
IV. Adjournment: Upon a motion by Alderman Bettencourt, seconded by
Alderman DeLucia, the meeting was unanimously adjourned at 6:36 PM.
Respectfully Submitted,
Katherine Rose
Agenda
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE
SPECIAL MEETING AGENDA
Wednesday, April 15, 2020
6:00 P.M.
Virtual Meeting – ZOOM App
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1. Call to Order – Determination of a Quorum
2. Citizen Comment
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3. Old Business
a. Discussion and possible action on 2020 Fire Service Study RFP resolution referral
4. Adjournment
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