School Building Committee (2020)
Regular MeetingNorwich, CT · March 19, 2024
Minutes
School Building Committee (2020)
Regular Meeting
City Hall, R00m 335
100 Broadway, Norwich, CT
And via ZOOM
Tuesday, March 19, 2024
6:30 PM
Committee Members Present: Chairman Mark Bettencourt, President Pro Tem Joe DeLucia,
Alderwoman Stacy Gould, Peter Gauthier, William Hull, Shiela Hayes, Gregory Ballassi, Mark Kulos,
Gregory Carabine and Cindy Beauregard (ZOOM).
Committee Members Absent: Christine DiStasio.
Ex-Officio Members Present: Mayor Peter Nystrom (ZOOM), Attorney Michael Driscoll (ZOOM,
Matthew Brown (ZOOM) and City Purchasing Agent Bob Castronova.
Consultants Present: James Barrett and Greg Smolley from DRA; Kevin Blanchette (ZOOM), Ryan
Patrick (ZOOM), Chip Natsis and Jeff Anderson from Downes Construction; and Mike Faenza and
Jim Guliano from CSG.
Citizens Present: Mary Lou Rychling and Robert Harris, Norwich Public Utilities.
I. Call to Order and Quorum:
Chairman Mark Bettencourt called the meeting to order at 6:33 PM.
II. Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes: President Pro Tem Joe DeLucia made a motion
to approve the February 27, 2024 meeting minutes as written. Gregory Carabine seconded. The
chairman called the roll of members present and all were in favor. The motion passed
unanimously.
III. Public Comment: None.
IV. Report from CSG: Mike Faenza provided a copy of the monthly project update which
included an updated budget. Mike Faenza reported that over the past 30 days the schematic
design (SD) estimate was completed and estimates were provided by DRA and Downes. Mike
Faenza stated that at least seven or eight budget reconciliation meetings were held to discuss
considerations for value management for the projects. Mike Faenza continued that the RFQ for
commissioning services was completed and once he received back final comments from the
building committee that Friday he would include those in the final draft and get the document
to the city purchasing agent to post the following Monday. Mike Faenza stated that the monthly
working group meetings were continuing to further assist in the design of the buildings. Mike
Faenza stated that during the last meeting the Phase 2 Environmental Site Assessment was
approved and that testing for that should commence in the next few weeks. Mike Faenza stated
that his next steps were to work with the district administration to analyze the building
program and determine if any square footage efficiencies could be reached without impacting
the educational program. Mike Faenza reported that he and interim Superintendent Susan
Lessard toured the Griswold Elementary School to observe how a building of that size with 700
students operated. Mike Faenza stated that he was scheduling meetings with other district
administrators to review the educational program in place for the two schools and to refine the
educational specifications for the Moriarty school project. Mike Faenza stated that the work to
combine the parcels at the Greeneville site was ongoing but to date not much progress had
occurred. Mike Faenza stated he continued to work with Norwich Public Utilities to understand
the utility connection fees and needed to get them additional design details for them to
complete their estimate. Mike Faenza stated that the committee would soon need to review and
select a commissioning agent, as the way the RFP was written interviews and a pre-bid
walkthrough would not be necessary. Mike Faenza reported that CSG was still working to
complete the FEMA mapping research for the Station site and that the design team had
everything they needed to provide a submission to FEMA and the state for the updated map.
Mike Faenza stated that in regards to the updated budget the initial budget that was based on
the original grant amounts had not been changed, but pending the outcome of the meeting he
would update them based on the schematic design estimate. Mike Faenza stated that currently
$676,877.96 had been expended on the Greeneville project and $681,589.77 on Stanton, not
including the invoices on that night’s meeting agenda and any other costs that may have not yet
been funneled through the committee.
Mike Faenza stated that the RFP for the Moriarty project was currently in development and
CSG was determining how to proceed with the grant application. Mike Faenza stated that the
previous RFP for the architect would suffice, but CSG was considering excluding the
conceptual design phase as they felt there was enough information provided by the master
plan. Mike Faenza stated that additionally it would be difficult to include that phase and meet
the June deadline for the grant submission. Jim Guliano stated CSG was working to keep
various systems consistent throughout the district.
Mike Faenza stated he would be meeting with the district administration that Friday to discuss
potential redistricting efforts and who would occupy the schools once complete. Mike Faenza
stated that one value engineering item discussed was the potential to move students partially
out of Stanton to afford significant cost saving by permitting some early demolition that would
facilitate efficiencies in site and construction work.
V. Report from DRA: James Barrett reported that since the SD estimate submission there was
a lot of activity regarding the reconciliation of the budgets. James Barrett stated that design
development documentation continued with the architectural team as well as the structural,
mechanical, electrical, fire protection, plumbing, site engineering, civil and landscaping teams.
James Barrett stated that one of the key activities as part of design development was to confirm
the various layouts were the same as they were described during the early efforts of the SD
process. James Barrett stated that DRA would request a signoff from the district on those
represented spaces. James Barrett stated that the first necessary step for the Stanton site was
to complete a Letter of Map Amendment Application, then local city review processes could
commence. James Barrett stated the application was submitted and is being processed.
VI. Report from Downes: James Barrett discussed the progress of the project so far, beginning
with the master plan that was compiled by DRA in December 2022. Mike Faenza discussed
how CSG, at the time, provided an alternate schedule of how they felt the projects could run in
a staggered approach in an effort to level the number of trade contractors needed. Mike Faenza
stated the plan was for the first two schools, Stanton and Greeneville, to be built in 2025 and
Moriarty a year later. Mike Faenza noted that the schedule had since shifted from what was
originally proposed, leaving a year of escalation missing from the original master plan budget
based on when the projects would actually start. Mike Faenza noted the original master plan
put escalation out to only June of 2024. Mike Faenza added that as things progressed the
complexity of the Stanton and Greeneville sites became apparent. Mike Faenza stated the site
analysis done for the grant application showed very little wetlands at the Stanton site and none
at the Greeneville site, which was not actually the case. Jim Guliano noted another issue that
arose was that the initial enrollment report put additional students into Pre-K which caused
the schools to grow in size. Jim Guliano stated that because construction was not set to start
until this time in 2025 an additional year of escalation was needed.
Jeff Anderson stated Downes Construction was working to modify plans where they could in
regards to drawings, looking at site logistics, assessing historical data from recent jobs they
have reconciled, and canvassing to form an idea of what real costs are in the changing
economy. Jeff Anderson reported they had met with a third party estimator provided byDRA
for multiple reconciliation meetings and discussed the process taken to achieve a proper
reconciliation. Jeff Anderson discussed the SD project estimate summary and highlighted the
overall 2022 master plan budget variance from $66,078,261 to $73,625,650 for Stanton School
after reconciliation. Jeff Anderson explained the reasons for the 7.5 million dollar variance
were the increased building size, as the actual square footage for the building was 85,934
opposed to the 74,134 square feet estimated by O&G. Jeff Anderson continued that the
variance also included the cost escalation from June 2024 to March 2024, when the
construction will actually begin. Jeff Anderson stated the additional costs were actual ‘owner
soft costs,’ which were $624,900 higher than what was quoted in the master plan budget. Jeff
Anderson explained that these totals put the reconciled master plan budget at $76,130,87 in
comparison to the SD estimate completed by Downes at $73,625,650. Jeff Anderson continued
that Downes took an initial look at cost management and identified $5,106,886 in potential
cost savings to bring that budget further down to $68,608,764. Jeff Anderson noted that
amount was still approximately 2.7 million dollars over the approved project cost, so they
continued to work collectively to get closer to the original budget amount. Chairman
Bettencourt asked how the 85,394 square footage was determined. Jim Guliano responded that
the Downes team measured from the exterior walls, whereas the grant application requested
interior measurements. Jim Guliano stated that a discussion would be held with the district
administration to see if there were options to potentially lower that number.
Peter Gauthier how confident the $5,016,886 cost management amount was. Jeff Anderson
responded there were discussions to be had in regards to how to build the new school at
Stanton when the existing building sits in its footprint. Jeff Anderson stated they would look at
what could be done to improve the situation from a constructability standpoint while working
with the administration on a realistic option, such as taking down a section of the existing
building to construct the new driveway and bus loop so there could be a more efficient turnover
of the new school.
Jeff Anderson stated that a similar approach in reconciliation was taken with the Greeneville
project, with confidence in the proposals and that the site was much more concerning in
relation to logistics and being able to build the new school with the grading that exists. Jeff
Anderson stated that at face value the SD estimate total $82,481,059 in comparison to the
$60,368,069 master plan budget for the Greeneville school. Jeff Anderson stated that the
variance again was attributed to the increased building size as well as the immense site work
needed, which was a $8,620,905 premium in itself. Jeff Anderson added that cost escalation
until March 2025 and the owner soft costs also contributed to the variance. Jeff Anderson
stated that Downes identified $4,443,188 in cost management items from their SD estimate,
but noted that the site impacts on the project could not be fully recovered through this process.
Jeff Anderson continued that this put the total for the SD budget estimate at $78,019,871. Jim
Guliano agreed that the Greeneville site was very unforgiving and it would be difficult to
recuperate those costs. Jeff Anderson stated that as information became more available he did
plan to investigate the potential of utilizing more open rock face, as there was currently $2.7
million dedicated to different types of retention of the existing site. Jeff Anderson stated SD
estimate budgeted for 33% of exposed rock, 33% block and 33% cast in place.
Cindy Beaurgard joined the meeting via ZOOM at 7:16 PM.
Discussion ensued regarding the increased square footages.
President Pro Tem DeLucia stated that while he believes the committee made a wise choice in
only building two schools at once, but due to the unintended consequences now being faced at
the Stanton site, he questioned if there would be a benefit in pushing the Moriarty project
forward ahead of Stanton so that there was the option to move students there during the
Stanton construction, since the new building at the Moriarty site was being built far enough
away from the existing school where there would not be a conflict of space. Mike Faenza noted
that there would be a year of time already expended on the design aspect for Stanton that
would not be able to recover in that scenario. Mike Faenza also noted he was unsure how
quickly special legislation for the project could be processed, as the approved grant application
for Moriarty was not yet filed with the state. Jeff Anderson reiterated that while there are
constructability issues to work through he was not implying that the Stanton school could not
be built as things currently sit. Jeff Anderson added that putting the Moriarty project before
Stanton at this point could also increase the project costs exponentially in terms of escalation.
President Pro Tem DeLucia stated he wanted to ensure every option was explored due to the
unforeseen circumstances with the sites. Mike Faenza stated that not much effort had been put
in yet to determine what displacement would look like and that it may be possible to achieve
construction access while the existing building remains in place. Greg Smolley stated that the
committee could choose to move forward with the Moriarty project in terms of design, but if
the Office of Governmental Accountability did not put the project on the short list the city
would absorb the cost associated. Greg Smolley suggested the committee move forward with
the Stanton project and get the documentation needed for that, with the intention of speeding
up the Moriarty project timeline. Greg Smolley continued that the determination then would
be what are the savings of building Stanton without the existing building in the way and what
the savings are in moving Moriarty forward within the overall schedule. Greg Smolley stated
the one option would avoid escalation costs on the Moriarty project and avoid increased
construction costs at Stanton, but at the same time would increase construction costs at
Stanton due to it being pushed backwards in the schedule. Greg Smolley stated likely the
savings and costs would cancel each other out, but the change would not be completely
impossible to do. Discussion ensued. President Pro Tem DeLucia noted that the disruption
aspect to students needed to be considered regardless of cost savings. Peter Gauthier noted
that the school administration would need to be consulted to see if the capacity existed and
where displaced students could be temporarily moved to. Chip Natsis stated that many items
within the cost management layout needed to be discussed with school administration.
Chip Natsis stated that Downes as a group spent a lot of time assessing the drawings and
determining what could be done for cost reduction. Chip Natsis stated the cost management
list included many smaller price point items, but those begin to add up. Chip Natsis began to
discuss the various line items included in the cost management report for Stanton.
Discussion ensued regarding what direction was needed from the board to keep the design
team working and progressing forward. Greg Smolley suggested members look over the cost
management line items individually and regroup as a quorum, or to form a subcommittee to
review the items. Sheila Hayes asked, for example, what the impact versus the savings was to
decrease from three to two boilers in the school, as noted on Line 27 of the cost management
list for Stanton. James Barrett responded that DRA requested their structural, mechanic and
electrical engineers to provide any suggestions to produce potential cost savings and received
that recommendation, as a single boiler could fully support the building so the second boiler
offered sufficient redundancy. Discussion ensued regarding the rationale behind some of the
other recommended items.
Chairman Mark Bettencourt asked that an electronic copy of the full presentation, including
comments from the design partners, be distributed to committee members. Chairman Mark
Bettencourt, William Hull, Peter Gauthier, Alderwoman Stacy Gould and Mark Kulos agreed to
meet as a subcommittee to fully review the presentation and cost management line items
included. The subcommittee agreed to meet Wednesday March 27, 2024 at 9:00 AM via
ZOOM.
A special ZOOM meeting for the full committee was scheduled for Thursday March 28th at
6:30 PM.
VII. Invoices:
● CSG - Greeneville #12- $10,680.02
Stanton #12- $10,555.46
William Hull made a motion to approve CSG Invoice #12 for $10,680.02 for
Professional Services Rendered for February 1, 2024 - February 29, 2024 in regards to
the Greeneville Elementary School project. Mark Kulos seconded. The chairman called
the roll of members present and all were in favor. The motion passed unanimously.
Alderwoman Stacy Gould made a motion to approve CSG Invoice #12 for $10,555.46 for
Professional Services rendered for February 1, 2024 - February 29, 2024 in regards to
the Stanton Elementary School project. Gregory Ballassi seconded. The chairman called
the roll of members present and all were in favor. The motion passed unanimously.
● DRA - Greeneville #5 (2/2024) - $138,345.20
Stanton #5 (2/2024)- $168.498.00
Note: includes SLR reimbursement
Mark Kulos made a motion to approve DRA Invoice #5 for $138,345.20 for Professional
Services rendered February 1, 2024 February 28, 2024 in regards to the Greeneville
Elementary School project. Gregory Carabine seconded. The chairman called the roll of
members present and all were in favor. The motion passed unanimously.
Alderwoman Stacy Gould made a motion to approve DRA Invoice #5 for $168.498.00
for Professional Services rendered February 1, 2024 February 28, 2024 in regards to the
Stanton Elementary School project. William Hull seconded. The chairman called the roll
of members present and all were in favor. The motion passed unanimously.
VIII. Anything else to be brought before the committee: None,
IX. Adjournment: Alderwoman Stacy Gould made a motion to adjourn at 8:23 PM. William
Hull seconded. The chairman called the roll of members present and all were in favor. The
motion passed unanimously.
Respectfully Submitted, Katherine Rose
Agenda
City of Norwich
School Building Committee (2020)
Regular Meeting
Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 6:30pm
City Hall, 100 Broadway, Rm 335 And
virtually via Zoom
please click on blue link to view document
1. Call to order: Determination of a quorum
2. Approval of minutes from previous meetings
(February 27)
3. Public Comment
4. Report from CSG
5. Report from DRA
6. Report from Downes
7. Invoices:
● CSG - Greeneville #12- $10,680.02
Stanton #12- $10,555.46
• DRA - Greeneville #5 (2/2024) - $138,345.20
Stanton #5 (2/2024)- $168,498.00
➢ Includes SLR and CLA reimbursements
8. Anything else to be brought before the committee.
9. Adjournment
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