City Council
Regular MeetingOlympia, WA · August 7, 2014
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Meeting Minutes
City Council
Thursday, August 7, 2014 6:30 PM Council Chambers
Special Meeting of the City Council to Conduct Business of the Community &
Economic Revitalization Committee (CERC) - Joint Meeting with CAC
1. ROLL CALL
Present: 3 - Mayor Stephen H. Buxbaum, Mayor Pro Tem Nathaniel Jones and
Councilmember Julie Hankins
OTHERS PRESENT
Staff
Keith Stahley
Consultants
Lorelei Juntunen, ECONorthwest
Eric Rundell, ECONorthwest
CAC Members
Jerry Reilly
Allen Miller
Thera Black
Connie Phegley
Rachel Newmann
Theresa Madden
Donna Feddern
Ray LaForge
Erica Cooper
George Sharp
Kari Qvigstad
Kris Goddard
2. CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Buxbaum called the meeting to order at 6:40 p.m.
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - None
4. BUSINESS OF THE EVENING
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4.A 14-0767 Consideration of Updated Design Scenarios and Feasibility Work for
the Isthmus Urban Design Process
Mayor Buxbaum welcomed everyone and thanked them for participating in this
learning process of a Community Renewal Area. He then introduced Loralei
Juntunen from ECONorthwest to start the presentation.
Ms. Juntunen gave a brief introduction to the presentation. During the evening we
will:
1. Review progress to date
2. Summarize return on investment (ROI)
3. Discuss lessons learned
4. Next steps recommendations from CAC and CERC to City Council
Progress to date:
The CAC began by developing Guiding principles with the top two being:
1. Create a vibrant mixed use area
2. Create an extraordinary pedestrian environment
Design Concepts were then discussed at two scenario development workshops and
the consultants used the scenarios to quantify costs and benefits. Ms. Juntunen then
introduced Eric Rundell from ECONorthwest to discuss the calculations for ROI.
Mr. Rundell stated the revenue assumptions that are made in the following scenarios
are taxes such as property, sales, B & O, Utility and Hotel. They also assume
phasing of the development.
Scenario 1 depicts future costs of the parcel the City purchased last year. Some
demolition is required but no funds for site preparation and park development has
been identified. The City costs are approximately $6 million and limited ROI. The
Revenues : Costs is 1:29. For every $29.00 spent, $1.00 in revenue is gained.
The Mayor emphasized that Scenario 1 is the existing condition now. The money has
to completely come from the City. We are able to tear one building down but we will
have to put a fence around the remaining rubble because we do not have funding to
do anything with the rubble or contamined ground.
Discussion followed regarding Washington regulations around property value and
taxes, and bonding costs, which are not included in the scenarios.
Scenario 2 includes the park and adds a hotel at Capital Center. Permits have been
issued for the structure. We are assuming the current investment is underwater with
limited options other than pursuing a hotel. Although feasibility is not certain, the ROI
is better based on hotel taxes. The Revenue : Costs for this scenario is 1:3.
Scenario 3 adds a park at Capital Center. This would cost an additional $12 million
with no additional revenue. The ROI is 1:88. The full burden for the costs would be
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on the public. There are also operation and maintenance costs. There are also other
factors to consider such as where would the money come from, what about ongoing
maintenance, and there is work needed on Percival landing.
Mayor Buxbaum added there are different opinions about where the money would
come from and is why we need to involve the public for the discussion. This scenario
is $18 million with no funding and there are other projects to consider such as Percival
Landing, soccer fields, etc.
Mayor Pro Tem Jones added that even though the ROI is a negative number in all
scenarios, it doesn't mean it is a bad thing. There are other reasons to do it. The
public must discuss whether it is worth it.
Scenario 4 includes private sector partnerships. The ROI is 1:2 and well as other
non-fiscal benefits like economic development, place making, quality of life, and
community pride. Because a lot more development would be involved in this
scenario, there will be additional revenue from taxes, parking, etc. We are projecting
just the City's tax and not the whole tax.
In Scenario 4 the City costs include parks on City-owned land, streetscape
improvement, and demolition and brownfield cleanup on City-owned property. The
costs shared with a partner may include purchase & site preparation on acquired
parcels, shared parking structure, parks on acquired land, and feasibility gap. The
developer costs are land, demolition, construction, parking, and remediation.
Mayor Buxbaum reminded the CAC the reason they are having this conversation is
the CRA tool. The City does not need a CRA for developing a park. We do need a
CRA for an alternate approach that includes private sector. The 4th scenario
assumed the CRA with partnerships, which make the public costs less.
Mayor Buxbaum was asked to explain the use of condemnation under a CRA. He
stated in terms of condemnation, the City currently has the power for public safety.
Under the CRA, there are additional powers for economic development purposes or
removing blight. The property must then be put to a public use or a viable economic
use and the owner is paid a fair market value. The CERC has discussed very
stringent authority if it was used. For instance, we have discussed property that is
vacant, blighted and has had no economic benefit for five years.
The discussion was completed.
4.B 14-0769 Consider Next Steps in the Isthmus Urban Design Process and
Community Renewal Area Public Participation Process
In considering next steps in the Isthmus Urban Design Process, the CERC
brainstormed answer to these questions.
1. What are the costs of not intervening?
2. Are there specific action steps that can be taken / should be recommended to
Council?
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3. How do we include the broader public in this discussion?
He explained the CERC members want to share with the CAC the answers they came
up with and get feedback and ideas from the CAC about this work.
1. What are the costs of not intervening?
- Community stays "stuck" and needs are not met
- Status quo is not cost beneficial, slow growth, detrimental to community
- Missed opportunity for: creativity and partnership on Capitol Center Tower;
Community-led development; and Change our way of doing business
2. Expand scope beyond Isthmus: move to CRA conversation
- Identify and prioritize sites of interest in the Downtown that need intervention
(Griswolds, Vine Street Building, Reliable Steel, etc.)
- Complete the work on the Isthmus, including rebranding
- Identify and clarify needed tools
- Initiate public conversation about priorities for revitalizing the Isthmus and
Downtown
- Invite property owners and developers to be creative and bring forward
development projects (and private capital)
- Provide structure and funding for due diligence on projects. Tests: feasibility, public
support, etc
- Result: ideas that can be tested in a public forum
The CAC discussed having more conversations with developers and providing them
feasibility and certainty in development, and presenting the status quo and the
challenges of moving forward to the public.
3. How to include the public?
- Public education
Explain the need for CRA (feasibility gap, public - private partnerships)
Identify sites based on criteria
Visualizations of development: provide a full range of choices including cost
estimate
The CAC and CERC members broke up into three teams and discussed the same
questions. They regrouped at 8:45 pm and shared the results of the discussions.
Table 1:
They agreed they liked the CRA tool and want to move forward but the community
has a long way to go before doing anything.
We have a lot of community education to complete.
The isthmus does need help but we need to decide if that is the right place to start.
There needs to be a deliberate thought, alignment, and agreement as how the CRA
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aligns with the Downtown Master Plan.
Starting with the Isthmus is very complicated with citizens that want to undermine the
project but it would also garner public attention and engagement.
Table 2:
We believe in the process of CRA but we were split on whether the downtown or the
isthmus is the place to start. The political realities of working on this may be very
difficult.
We also talked about the inter play between the downtown master plan and CRA. It
may be premature to do a public open house because we have not addressed all the
challenges yet. The Open House should be interactive, starting with the Isthmus.
The public process does need to happen with a lot more information for them.
We do not want to call it an intervention but maybe “transition”.
We believe design is more important that height.
Table 3:
Be thoughtful about how you frame your questions and be positive. It is easier to
come up with helpful responses if you think of the benefits of private / public
partnerships.
The team has a great deal of interest in presenting a choice to the public.
There is interest in using the downtown plan as some means of informing the CRA. If
we can’t get a decision on the CRA and the action plan before the downtown planning
process we shouldn’t move forward with it. We are not ready to do it now.
There was agreement to rebrand the "Isthmus".
They also discussed “it doesn’t hurt to ask the private property owners what their
vision is like”.
Ms. Juntunen summarized the CAC recommendations but stating she did not hear
any opposition to a Community Renewal Area and the CAC agreed.
Mayor Buxbaum closed the meeting stating the committee is convinced there is
benefits of a CRA as a tool. The CERC will meet again to have a full discussion to
compare notes and learn from what has transpired tonight. There are tangible actions
the CERC can take forward to the City Council.
The discussion was completed.
5. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 9:13 p.m.
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Agenda
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Meeting Agenda
City Council
Thursday, August 7, 2014 6:30 PM Council Chambers
Special Meeting of the City Council to Conduct Business of the Community &
Economic Revitalization Committee (CERC) - Joint Meeting with CAC
1. ROLL CALL
2. CALL TO ORDER
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - None
4. BUSINESS OF THE EVENING
4.A 14-0767 Consideration of Updated Design Scenarios and Feasibility Work for the
Isthmus Urban Design Process
4.B 14-0769 Consider Next Steps in the Isthmus Urban Design Process and
Community Renewal Area Public Participation Process
Attachments: CRA scope 04.01.2014.Amendment 1
5. ADJOURNMENT
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