Planning & Zoning Commission
Regular MeetingPinetop-Lakeside, AZ · January 6, 2015
Minutes
MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF THE
TOWN OF PINETOP-LAKESIDE, ARIZONA, HELD TUESDAY, JANUARY 6, 2015, IN THE TOWN
COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
Chairman Jarchow called the Regular Meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. Roll call was as follows:
ROLL CALL: Present Absent Present Absent
John Jarchow X Timothy Williams X
James Snitzer X Ken Haught X
Rob Ingels X Adam Staley X _____
Richard Smith X
STAFF PRESENT: Paul Esparza, Community Development Director, Mary French-Jones, Grants
Coordinator and Jill Akins, Assistant to the Town Clerk.
ITEM NO. 3, CALL TO THE PUBLIC:
There were no requests to address the Commission at this time.
ITEM NO. 4, INFORMATION/DISCUSSION/LEGAL ACTION RE: APPROVAL OF REGULAR MEETING
MINUTES FOR NOVEMBER 18, 2014 AND DECEMBER 2, 2014:
The items on the Consent Agenda were tabled until the January 20, 2015 meeting.
COMMISSIONER INGELS MADE A MOTION TO TABLE THE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING
MINTUES FROM THE NOVEMBER 18, 2014 AND THE DECEMBER 2, 2014 MEETINGS. VICE
CHAIRMAN SNITZER SECONDED THE MOTION AND IT CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
ITEM NO. 5, INFORMATION/DISCUSSION RE: OPEN SPACE DEFINITION AND CLARIFICATION:
Chairman Jarchow said the definition and clarification of Open Space would be discussed. He
said the Commission could confirm or not confirm the definition of Open Space as a lot or
larger. He said only this definition would be used for Open Space and he said everything else
would have to fall under other definitions. Commissioner Williams asked if the definition would
suffice for a bigger area? Chairman Jarchow said if he meant bigger than a lot and he said yes it
would. Vice Chairman Snitzer said Open Space between buildings would not be considered
Open Space. Chairman Jarchow said space between a side walk and a curb or space in a parking
lot would not be considered Open Space. Vice Chairman Snitzer said Open Space is listed in
two chapters of the Town Code. He said where Open Space appeared in the Town Code he
changed the print to red capital letters. He said he would email the document to Mr. Esparza.
Mr. Esparza said it would be included the packet for the next Planning and Zoning meeting.
Chairman Jarchow said under definitions it is agreed Open Space would be defined as “Open
Space only applies to a single lot or larger parcel it does not apply to any portions of a lot.” Vice
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Chairman Snitzer said every time Open Space (as less than a lot) appears in the Town Code it
would have to be changed. Chairman Jarchow said the Commission would have to be creative
with the wording. He said this had been done once and the process was easy. Commissioner
Ingels said he agrees with the definition and he said he expected the Commission would be
focusing on the Zoning Code. He said a Planned Unit Development requires 30% Open Space.
He said he did not want to have the same definition in the Zoning Code and he said the
Commission needs to come up with other wording for Open Space. Chairman Jarchow said 30%
cannot be called Open Space it could be called unbuilt space or unbuildable space.
Commissioner Staley said two definitions were mentioned. He said the first one did not include
the word entire lot and the second one did say the entire lot. Chairman Jarchow said the
wording would be an entire lot or larger. Commissioner Williams asked if the discussion was for
clarification of the Zoning Code and he said it is not specified in the wording of agenda item
number five. He said he was thinking of the General Plan and designation of certain Open
Space areas and how they would be affected. Chairman Jarchow said it has been a major
problem since 2007 when the Open Space and Urban Trails Committee was meeting and what
exactly is Open Space and what is the definition of Open Space. He said the Committee is trying
to clarify the definition. Commissioner Ingels said agenda item number five
Information/Discussion re: Open Space Definition and Clarification clarifies the General Plan
Open Space definition is clearly for the public and the Commission had done their best to have
a specific and clear definition as it applies to the General Plan. He said the Commission needs
to better define what is and is not Open Space throughout the Zoning Code. He said for
clarification the definition should be used for the General Plan and given to the Town Council
and should remain on its own as the plan moves ahead unless the Council chooses to make
changes. Chairman Jarchow said the General Plan definition should also be used in the Town
Zoning Code. Chairman Jarchow said the Commission is trying to revise and clarify the Zoning
Code. He said at the next Planning and Zoning meeting the Commission would go through the
Zoning Code and every place in the Zoning Code where the two words Open and Space are used
together, except where it applies to a lot or larger, the Commission would change the wording
to a clearly definable term. Vice Chairman Snitzer’s Open Space document would be in the next
meeting packet.
ITEM NO. 6, STAFF REPORTS:
Paul Esparza said on Thursday, January 15th the Town Council would hold a Public Hearing
regarding the General Plan. He said he emailed the General Plan draft document and
supporting documents to the email list from the survey responders. He said he had made
every effort to notify the public. He said the General Plan draft document and supporting
documents are also on the Town website and the documents are also available at the Town
Clerks office. Mr. Esparza said he encourages the Commissioners to attend the Town Council
meeting and Public Hearing on January 15th. Chairman Jarchow said the Town Manager asked
the Planning and Zoning Commissioners to attend the meeting. Mr. Esparza said he hopes
more citizens attend the Public Hearing and he said additional input is always welcome.
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ITEM NO. 7, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS:
Chairman Jarchow asked Mary French-Jones to give an update on the Trails Waterways
Interactive Group (TWiGs). Chairman Jarchow said he, Paul Esparza, Jim Snitzer and Tom
Jernigan are also attending the TWiGs meetings. He said part of the problem in putting in place
a multi-model transportation system with trail connectivity where the trails cross private
property. He said it has been discussed for over eight years whether it is advantageous or not
to have a trail going through someone’s back yard or the back of private property. He said
some people believe it enhances the property and some owners do not want others to walk on
their property. He said there would have to be a discussion on ways to change the Zoning Code
to enhance a multi-model transportation system and trail connectivity. Ms. French-Jones said
the group came together based on their individual expertise and knowledge, and said it is a
cohesive group of government and non-government individuals. She said the group has
created a matrix to rate the trailheads. She said ratings for parking, connectivity, and trails on
or near private property, etc. She said community members and visitors have mentioned the
lack of trail connectivity and the traffic on the major thoroughfare. Chairman Jarchow said the
Town could be like Durango and be able to access trails from the main highway. He said for
example parking at Safeway to access a trailhead and this would mix tourism, recreation and
business. Chairman Jarchow said a stumbling block had been private land holdings. Tom
Jernigan said some incentive for the land owners to grant easements for the trails needs to be
given. Vice Chairman Snitzer said he had incentive ideas to give to land owners. A long
discussion pursued regarding incentive ideas on undeveloped property and developed
properties to give public access to trails. Chairman Jarchow said this has the potential to
transform the Town. Vice Chairman Snitzer said it could brand the Town and he said it would
give the Town an identity. He said he has a proposal to add eleven new trailheads throughout
the Town. Chairman Jarchow said it would change the character of the Town and the people
who come to visit the Town. Chairman Jarchow said the group identified approximately twenty
trails heads. Ms. French-Jones said the trailheads are all associated with watersheds. She said
TWiGs identified logical places where a park and ride or some kind of transportation could be
put in at the trailheads. She said the matrix rates the trailheads on twenty different factors.
Vice Chairman Snitzer said throughout town there are trailheads at dead end streets in
neighborhoods. He said he is proposing at the dead end road to put a parking lot on Forest
Service Land. He said there would be a parking lot, trailhead access, kiosk and potentially rest
rooms. Commissioner Ingels said someone who has chosen to live at a dead end street may not
want parking lots and trail access on their dead end street. He said it would be a benefit to
hikers but might not be received well by property owners. Vice Chairman Snitzer said the
easiest trailhead is at the end of Pinecrest Drive. He said hikers are parking somewhere in the
neighborhood. He said if you live in the neighborhood parking is a problem. Chairman Jarchow
said residents in the neighborhood have mentioned seeing people relieve themselves in the
forest and if there was an enclosure it would be more acceptable to the residents.
Commissioner Ingels said he appreciates the conversation and explanation of the goals of the
TWiGs group. He said the goals are commendable and it is important to encourage younger
people to come to the community. Ms. French-Jones said the idea of pilot projects is looking at
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short, medium and long term projects and funding. She said funding the project is a significant
problem. Chairman Jarchow said not all of the trailheads are on private land. Vice Chairman
Snitzer said there is a need for kids to be able to go to school without having to be on the road.
Chairman Jarchow said this ties in with moving the sidewalks off of the road. Mr. Jernigan said
at the Billy Creek corridor there is a transportation benefit to move people off the streets and
onto the trails. He said with Vice Chairman Snitzers ideas maybe something would get done
after all of these years. Chairman Jarchow said the Commission needs to think Zoning Codes
are not just a means of setting rules, but said they are also a means toward accomplishing
certain items. Chairman Jarchow said Zoning Codes can provide an opportunity for creative
development. He said review of Open Space in the Zoning Code would be on the next agenda.
The meeting adjourned at 6:45 p.m.
Dated this 8th day of January 2015.
PINETOP-LAKESIDE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
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Jill Akins, Assistant to the Town Clerk
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Agenda
TOWN OF PINETOP-LAKESIDE
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING AND AGENDA
Tuesday, January 6, 2015
Pursuant to Arizona Revised Statutes Section 38-431.02, notice is hereby given to the members of the
Pinetop-Lakeside Planning & Zoning Commission and to the general public that the Planning & Zoning
Commission will hold a public meeting on Tuesday, January 6, 2015 beginning at 6:00 p.m., in the Town
Council Chambers located at 1360 N. Niels Hansen Lane, Pinetop-Lakeside, Arizona.
AGENDA
6:00 p.m. REGULAR MEETING:
1. Call to Order and Ascertain Quorum.
2. Pledge of Allegiance.
3. Call to the Public. Action taken as a result of public comment is limited to directing staff to
study the matter and reschedule for further consideration at a later date. The Commission may
provide limited response to items that are not on the agenda. Individuals are limited to three (3)
minutes for presentation.
4. Consent Agenda
a. Approval of regular meeting minutes for November 18, 2014.
b. Approval of regular meeting minutes for December 2, 2014.
5. Information/ Discussion Re: Open Space definition and clarification.
6. Staff Reports: No action will be taken.
a. Update on General Plan.
7. Future Agenda Items: Discussion regarding any future agenda items. No action will be taken.
a. Trail and trailhead connectivity.
Dated this 2nd day of January 2015.
Town of Pinetop-Lakeside Planning and Zoning Commission
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Paul Esparza, Community Development Director
Posted by: __________
Date/time: ___________
AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT: The Town of Pinetop-Lakeside intends to comply with the A.D.A. If you are
disabled or physically challenged and need special accommodations to participate, please contact the Community
Development Department (928-368-8883) at least 48 hours prior to the meeting.
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