(3) Zoning Board of Appeals
Regular MeetingRed Hook, NY · February 9, 2022
Minutes
Town of Red Hook ZBA
Draft Meeting Minutes
February 09, 2022
Preliminaries
Roll Call
Chairperson Karakassis calls the meeting to order at 7:03pm. Present are Chairperson
Karakassis, Chris Carney, and Chris Klose. Also Present are:ZBA Attorney Victoria
Polidoro, and Town of Red Hook ZEO, Bob Fennell
At 7:03pm Chairperson Karakassis opens the meeting.
Approval of Draft Minutes: 1-12-2022
At 7:03 pm Chairperson Karakassis asks for a motion to adopt the January 12, 2022
Draft Minutes. Chris Klose so moves, Chris Carney seconds and all Board members
present vote in favor of adopting the January 12, 2022 meeting minutes.
Planning Board Minutes
Chairperson Karakassis states she has reviewed the Planning Board minutes and there
are no applicants to the ZBA from the Planning Board at this time.
Comments from the Chair
Chairperson Karakassis states Board member Jim Hegstetter has tendered his
resignation from the ZBA, and notes the Board is now comprised of three members, the
minimum for a quorum. Chairperson Karakassis further notes the Board will miss his
institutional memory, and service to the ZBA, and states the importance of a variety of
opinions among the Board members. Chairperson Karakassis states anyone interested
in serving on the ZBA, should send a letter of intent to the Red Hook Town Board.
Chris Klose notifies the Board he will be traveling to Norway on March 14th and Clerk
Rubin confirms the March ZBA meeting will take place on March 9, 2022.
Chairperson Karakassis reads the first agenda item, as follows.
Public Hearing
ZBA 22-01 Lewis Rose, application for an Area Variance to construct a 558 SF addition
to a dwelling, resulting in a building coverage of 9.75% on the subject parcel. Section
143-12, The District Schedule of Area and Bulk Regulations, of the Town of Red Hook
Zoning Law limits building coverage to 5% on the subject parcel. The subject parcel is
located at 894 River Road, in the Town of Red Hook, in the RD 5 Zoning District.
At 7:06pm, Chairperson Karakassis asks for a motion to open the public hearing. Chris
Klose so moves, Chris Carney seconds, and all Board members vote in favor of opening
the public hearing. Clerk Rubin states she has received no emails, letters, or phone
messages containing public comment for this public hearing. Chairperson Karakassis
asks the Board members if they have any comments or questions, to which Chris Klose
and Chris Carney reply they have none at this time.
Chairperson Karakassis states she was unable to make a site visit, due to the necessity
of being away from her home, since some of her family members, with whom she shares
a home, have contracted the CoVid 19 virus. Chairperson Karakassis states she reviewed
the information regarding the subject property from Dutchess County Parcel Access,
noting the stated dimension of the applicant’s home is 2700 SF. Mr. Rose replies his
home is closer to 1800 SF, with two bedrooms, and two bathrooms upstairs, and a living
room, dining room, den, patio and a full bath downstairs. Chairperson Karakassis states
Parcel Access lists four bedrooms and three bathrooms, to which Mr. Rose replies his
survey does not say this. Chairperson Karakassis asks Mr. Rose to confirm there is a full
bathroom on the first floor, which Mr. Rose confirms. Chairperson Karakassis asks the
applicant why the existing full bathroom does not suffice for the addition of a bedroom on
the first floor, to which Mr. Rose replies since receiving a cancer diagnosis, his plan is to
construct a larger bathroom in the main bedroom on the first floor. Chairperson
Karakassis asks Mr. Rose if he has anything to add to the discussion, to which Mr. Rose
replies the proposed bedroom is not a large room, it will not require the removal of any
trees, it is not close to the perimeter of his property, and he further states his neighbors
will not notice it.
Chairperson Karakassis asks Mr. Rose to confirm his current lot coverage is 8.5%. ZEO
Bob Fennell states he has not calculated the existing coverage on the parcel, and
Chairperson Karakassis states she will take Mr. Rose at his word.
At 7:12 Chairperson Karakassis asks for a motion to close the public hearing. Chris Klose
so moves, Chris Carney seconds, and all Board members vote in favor of closing the
public hearing.
Chairperson Karakassis asks the Board to state the facts of the appeal, and the Board
determines:
- The proposed project would increase the coverage to 9.75%, but the applicant
asserts the existing coverage is already 8.5%, resulting in an increase of 1.25%.
- If the Parcel was not in the RD5 District, 10% coverage would be permitted
- The proposed addition will occupy space currently improved with an impervious
slate patio.
Chairperson Karakassis and the Board members determine the six factors for deciding
an area variance as follows:
1. The variance requested will not produce an undesirable change to the character
of the neighborhood, or a detriment to nearby properties, insofar as the proposed
addition is small, and located at the rear of the structure.
2. The needs of the applicant cannot be achieved by other than an area variance.
3. The requested variance is numerically substantial, but in terms of its impact, it is
not substantial as the addition will be located on an existing, impervious patio.
4. The requested variance will not affect the physical or environmental conditions in
the neighborhood.
5. The hardship for which the variance is sought to rectify is self-created
6. The variance being granted is the minimum variance to meet the needs of the
applicant.
At 7:19 pm Chris Klose moves to grant the requested variance. Chris Carney seconds,
and all Board members vote in favor of granting the requested variance, contingent on
the applicant paying all fees and escrow, and contingent on any required Planning Board
approvals.
Review – Continued Discussion from 1-1-2022
ZBA 22-02 Adam and Michelle Castiglione, application for two Area Variances to
construct a cottage with a garage below it, ten feet from the side property line, and having
a gross floor area of 984 SF. Section 143-68E of the Town of Red Hook Zoning Law
requires that the structure shall be set back 35 feet from the side property line, and
Section 143-68A of the Town of Red Hook Zoning Law limits the gross floor area to 650
SF. The subject parcel is located at 7 Whalesback Road, in the Town of Red Hook, in the
RD3 Zoning District.
Chairperson Karakassis reads the agenda item, and states she was unable to make a
site visit for the reasons she stated above, and further states she has two questions for
the applicant. Chairperson Karakassis asks the applicant to confirm the information she
found on Dutchess County Parcel Access, regarding the subject property, that the
applicant’s house is 2860 SF, with 2.5 baths, and 4 bedrooms, and that there is
currently a 624 SF garage on the property. Victoria Polidoro asks the applicant if he is
proposing to construct a second garage, or replace the existing garage, to which Mr.
Castiglione replies his proposal would maintain the existing garage, and add a second
garage, with a cottage above it. Chairperson Karakassis asks ZEO Bob Fennell to
confirm that a 650 SF cottage is permitted by the Zoning Code, and further asks Mr.
Fennell if the setback requirement is for one structure or two. Mr. Fennell replies a 650
SF cottage is permitted, and further notes the applicant has requested a variance for
924 SF.
Chairperson Karakassis notes the proposal involves a garage plus an accessory
structure, and further notes it is two separate uses in one structure, a garage and a
cottage, plus the existing garage. Mr. Castiglione states he chose the location of the
proposed cottage and garage as the only realistic location for an accessory structure on
the parcel. Mr. Castiglione states the other areas on his parcel are either too wet, too far
away, block the front view from his home, or would run into the septic field. Victoria
Polidoro states she will look at the Code. Bob Fennell states the Code allows for a
cottage with a garage below it. Chairperson Karakassis states the Code definition of an
“Accessory Structure” is unhelpful, and further notes a cottage and a garage are two
accessory structures. Chairperson Karakassis asks what the main use of the proposed
garage and cottage will be. Bob Fennell states the Code does not allow for apartments
over garages after January 1, 1993. Chairperson Karakassis asks the applicant to state
the number of existing buildings on his property, to which Mr. Castiglione replies a
current house of about 2900 SF and an existing garage. Mr. Castiglione states he is
proposing a separate garage with a cottage on top.
Chairperson Karakassis asks what the distinction between an apartment and a cottage
would be. Victoria Polidoro states ZEO Bob Fennell has determined it is a cottage. Mr.
Fennell states it is an accessory dwelling unit. Victoria Polidoro asks the applicant if the
current garage is attached to the house, to which Mr. Castiglione replies it is, and
indicates the existing house and garage on the image of the parcel map. Victoria
Polidoro asks Mr. Fennell if the applicant can put up an accessory structure in the front
yard, to which Mr. Fennell replies he can not. Chairperson Karakassis asks how the
Board is to distinguish an apartment from a cottage, to which Ms. Polidoro replies if
there are conflicting terms or vagueness in the Code, the Board must find in favor of the
applicant.
Chairperson Karakassis states the narrative the applicant has submitted to the Board
states the use of the cottage is for his mother-in-law to have a place to stay for
extended visits, and for his college friends and their families. Mr. Castiglione states
even though he has a 2900 SF house with four bedrooms, he has no space for a guest.
Mr. Castiglione states his main guest will be his mother-in-law, whether she stays for an
extended period, or periodically visits. Mr. Castiglione further states when his friends
with children visit, they have no place for them. Chairperson Karakassis notes the
applicant is looking for space for his guests, and asks him if the primary driver of the
proposed structure is the cottage or the garage. Mr. Castiglione states he wants one
building to solve all of his issues, and further states his current garage struggles to fit
two cars, and the outdoor yard equipment and kids outdoor toys end up staying outside,
if both cars are in the existing garage. Mr. Castiglione states he wishes to combine the
need for outdoor storage space and guest space.
Chris Klose asks Mr. Castiglione if he has considered converting the existing garage in
to a guest suite, and building a new garage. Bob Fennell states this would be permitted,
and Chairperson Karakassis states the applicant could have a larger garage. Mr.
Castiglione replies he and his wife did not hash all of that out. Chairperson Karakassis
states he will want to have his mother-in-law on the first floor. Chris Klose states it may
save the applicant some money. Chairperson Karakassis states the applicant can apply
for what he wants, and notes Mr. Castiglione does not have to follow the Board’s
advice. Mr. Castiglione states he wishes to go ahead and schedule a public hearing for
the March ZBA meeting, for what he has already requested. At 7:42 pm Chairperson
Karakassis asks for a motion to schedule a public hearing for the March 9, 2022 ZBA
meeting. Chris Klose so moves, Chris Carney seconds and all Board members vote in
favor of scheduling a public hearing on March 9, 2022.
Chairperson Karakassis reads the next agenda item.
Public Hearing
ZBA 22-03 Derrick Mead, application for an Area Variance to convert an existing garage
to a cottage, on a two-acre parcel. Section 143-68F of the Town of Red Hook Zoning Law
requires that the cottage be situated on a lot of no less than three acres. The subject
parcel is located at 267 Hapeman Hill Road, in the Town of Red Hook, in the RD3 Zoning
District.
At 7:43 pm Chairperson Karakassis asks for a motion to open the public hearing. Chris
Klose so moves, Chris Carney seconds and all Board members vote in favor of opening
the public hearing. Clerk Rubin states for the record the ZBA Office has received no
public comments, written or oral, regarding this appeal. Chairperson Karakassis asks
the applicant if he has any additional comments, to which Mr. Mead replies he does not.
Chairperson Karakassis states she was unable to make a site visit, and notes Dutchess
County Parcel Access lists the property as having three bedrooms and one and a half
baths. Mr. Mead states there are technically two bedrooms and one finished, walkout
basement room. Chairperson Karakassis asks the applicant to state the size of the
existing garage, to which Mr. Mead replies it is 1200 SF. Mr. Mead further states half of
the garage, 600 SF will be allocated for the proposed apartment. At 7:45 pm
Chairperson Karakassis moves to close the public hearing. Chris Klose seconds and all
Board members vote in favor of closing the public hearing.
The Board determines the facts of the appeal as follows:
- The cottage will be making use of an existing garage and will not extend the
footprint of any structure on the property.
- The garage/cottage is not visible to any neighboring dwellings.
Chairperson Karakassis and the Board members determine the six factors for deciding
an area variance as follows:
1. The variance requested will not produce an undesirable change to the character
of the neighborhood or a detriment to nearby properties. The garage structure
exists and will not be enlarged or substantially altered.
2. The needs of the applicant cannot be achieved by other than an area variance.
3. The requested variance is substantial numerically but its impact is not substantial
as it is making use of an existing structure.
4. The requested variance will not affect the physical or environmental conditions in
the neighborhood.
5. The hardship for which the variance is sought to rectify is self-created.
6. The variance being granted is the minimum variance to meet the needs of the
applicant.
At 7:50 pm Chris Klose moves to grant the requested variance. Chris Carney seconds,
and all Board members vote in favor of granting the variance, conditional on payment of
all fees and escrow, and contingent on any required Planning Board approvals.
Review
ZBA 22-04 Gregory and Elizabeth Bathrick, application for two Area Variances to
construct a garage, 15 feet from the side property line, and to place the garage in front of
a proposed dwelling, 49 feet from the front property line, on the subject parcel. Section
143-18 A (2) of the Town of Red Hook Zoning Law requires that an accessory structure
shall be set back 20 feet from the side property line, and Section 143-18 A (4) of the Town
of Red Hook Zoning Law stipulates that an accessory structure project no closer than the
principal structure, or meet the required front yard setback of 60 feet. The subject parcel
is located at 81 Country Club Drive, in the Town of Red Hook, in the RD3 Zoning District.
Chairperson Karakassis reads the agenda item, noting the proposed garage is 15’ from
the side lot line, and in front of the proposed home, and asks the applicant to present
his project. Mr. Bathrick states his architect, Christie Billeci will present the project. Ms.
Billeci shows photographs and plans for the subject parcel, which she states is .6 acres,
in a neighborhood of houses around Shooks Pond. Ms. Billeci notes there is an
established maple tree the owners wish to conserve, and further notes the location of
the garage, toward the front of the property will facilitate this. Ms. Billeci notes the
neighborhood has a number of houses with detached garages, and accessory
structures in the front yard. Ms. Billeci also notes the applicants will need a third
variance for building coverage, not stated in the original application.
Chairperson Karakassis asks Ms. Billeci to indicate the location of the well on the
parcel, which she does. Victoria Polidoro asks Mr. Fennell if the pool house and pool
are included in the lot coverage calculation, to which Mr. Fennell replies the pool and
patio are not included in the lot coverage. Chairperson Karakassis asks Ms. Billeci why
the garage protrudes to the left, in the drawings, to which Ms. Billeci replies it is a three-
car garage, with two cars in tandem, which she states is a more attractive solution than
three garage doors side by side. Chairperson Karakassis asks Ms. Billeci if the garage
can be rotated to be more perpendicular to the house, to which Ms. Billeci replies this
would make it difficult to drive into, and the driveway would be too close to the front
porch. Ms. Billeci further states tilting the garage makes going in and out easier.
Chairperson Karakassis and Chris Klose state they do not see this difficulty. Chris Klose
asks Ms. Billeci how wide the driveway is, to which she replies it is nine feet wide.
ZEO Bob Fennell states the Site Plan he reviewed on January 14 was very small, and
further states now that he is seeing it in a larger format, he is wondering if the lot meets
the size requirements for Section 143-13 a, Existing Lots of Record, to which Ms. Billeci
replies it does meet the requirement. Victoria Polidoro asks Ms. Billeci what steps will
she take during construction to protect the maple tree, to which Ms. Billeci replies the
work will be done outside the drip line of the tree to avoid compacting the soil. Ms.
Billeci further states there are also wetlands requirements due to the presence of
Shooks Pond. Victoria Polidoro asks Ms. Billeci if she has obtained permits for the pool
and patio, to which Ms. Billeci replies the permits have been requested, but she has not
yet heard back. Victoria Polidoro asks Ms. Billeci if she wants to wait until the permits
have been granted. Bob Fennell asks if these are Federal Wetlands Permits or New
York State Wetlands permits, to which Ms. Billeci replies they are New York State
Wetlands permits. Gregory Bathrick states they need NYSDEC approval.
Ms. Billeci states the lot coverage is 11% for the proposed project, and further notes it
might be possible to avoid the need for a side yard setback variance by tilting the
garage, and moving it more forward, so the rear of the garage would be closer to the
front lot line. Ms. Billeci further states the closer the garage moves to the house, the
more the driveway impinges on the septic, and also moves closer to the front porch of
the house. Ms. Billeci states the circular driveway is an aesthetic choice, and further
notes she is trying to avoid paving the front yard. Bob Fennell asks Ms. Billeci if she has
calculated the minimum open space, to which Ms. Billeci asks if this is separate from
building coverage, and if it includes the driveway. Mr. Fennell affirms it is separate from
building coverage, and includes the driveway, and further states, according the District
Schedule of Area and Bulk Regulations, a minimum of 80% open space is required in
the RD3 Zoning District. Victoria Polidoro states it allows for some flexibility on side
yards, but front and rear yards have to comply.
Chairperson Karakassis states for the public hearing, the front and side yard setbacks
may have to be amended on the application, and, additionally, the application must
include the proposed 11% lot coverage. At 8:29 pm Chairperson Karakassis asks for a
motion to declare the variance request a Type II Action under SEQRA. Chris Klose so
moves, Chairperson Karakassis seconds, and all Board members vote in favor of
declaring the Action Type II under SEQRA.
Ms. Billeci asks Mr. Fennell to confirm dimensions of the patio, the pool, the buildings,
the driveway, and the porches are all deducted from the open space on the subject
parcel. Mr. Fennell states she must calculate everything that is not a green space, and
further states Section 143-3 of the Zoning Code defines Green Space. Victoria Polidoro
recommends the applicants look at recent variances in the neighborhood. Ms. Billeci
states the Homeowners Association approved the project. Ms. Polidoro states Open
Space is defined as land in its natural state – no buildings or structures. Mr. Fennell
states driveways are considered development. Chairperson Karakassis states in
considering other variance requests for the neighborhood, there is a lot of diverse
development, and small lots with large houses. Chris Klose asks if the master bedroom
will be on the first floor, to which Elizabeth Bathrick replies it will, since this will be their
age-in-place home. Chairperson Karakassis states the applicants will need a fourth
variance, and Ms. Billeci concurs stating the project has 74% open space and 80% is
required in the Code.
At 8:36 pm Chris Klose moves to schedule a public hearing for March 9, 2022. Chris
Carney seconds and all Board members vote in favor of scheduling the public hearing.
Clerk Rubin confirms with Victoria Polidoro the applicants will need to amend the
application, and resubmit it to Bob Fennell, initialing the changes, and they will not incur
additional application fees.
At 8:38 pm Chris Klose moves to adourn the meeting. Chris Carney seconds and all
Board members vote in favor of adjournment.
The next ZBA meeting will be held remotely, in accordance with State and Local
directives, on March 09, 2022. The submission deadline for this meeting is noon of
March 1, 2022. Instructions for attending this meeting will be on the meeting agenda,
published one week before the meeting.
Agenda
TOWN OF RED HOOK
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
February 9, 2022
AGENDA (revised)
Preliminary Business
7:00 Call to Order - Roll Call
Approval of January 12, 2022 Meeting Minutes
Review of Planning Board Minutes
Comments from the Chair
Public Hearing
ZBA 22-01 Lewis Rose, application for an Area Variance to construct a 558 SF addition
to a dwelling, resulting in a building coverage of 9.75% on the subject parcel. Section
143-12, The District Schedule of Area and Bulk Regulations, of the Town of Red Hook
Zoning Law limits building coverage to 5% on the subject parcel. The subject parcel is
located at 894 River Road, in the Town of Red Hook, in the RD 5 Zoning District.
Review (continued discussion from 1-12-2022)
ZBA 22-02 Adam and Michelle Castiglione, application for two Area Variances to
construct a cottage with a garage below it, ten feet from the side property line, and having
a gross floor area of 984 SF. Section 143-68E of the Town of Red Hook Zoning Law
requires that the structure shall be set back 35 feet from the side property line, and
Section 143-68A of the Town of Red Hook Zoning Law limits the gross floor area to 650
SF. The subject parcel is located at 7 Whalesback Road, in the Town of Red Hook, in the
RD3 Zoning District.
Public Hearing
ZBA 22-03 Derrick Mead, application for an Area Variance to convert an existing garage
to a cottage, on a two-acre parcel. Section 143-68F of the Town of Red Hook Zoning Law
requires that the cottage be situated on a lot of no less than three acres. The subject
parcel is located at 267 Hapeman Hill Road, in the Town of Red Hook, in the RD3 Zoning
District.
Review
ZBA 22-04 Gregory and Elizabeth Bathrick, application for two Area Variances to
construct a garage, 15 feet from the side property line, and to place the garage in front of
a proposed dwelling, 49 feet from the front property line, on the subject parcel. Section
143-18 A (2) of the Town of Red Hook Zoning Law requires that an accessory structure
shall be set back 20 feet from the side property line, and Section 143-18 A (4) of the Town
of Red Hook Zoning Law stipulates that an accessory structure project no closer than the
principal structure, or meet the required front yard setback of 60 feet. The subject parcel
is located at 81 Country Club Drive, in the Town of Red Hook, in the RD3 Zoning District.
Pursuant to New York State legislation (S.50001/A.40001), which allows state and
local government meetings that are normally held in person to be held remotely
instead, as long as the public has the ability to view or listen to the meeting and as long
as the meeting is recorded and later transcribed, and advisories issued by Federal, State,
and Local officials, related to the COVID-19 virus, the Zoning Board of Appeals will hold
the meeting remotely. There will be no in person gathering at the Town Hall. The meeting
will be held by video conference, and can be viewed at the RH ZBA Meeting YouTube
Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaDQcpNaCp3cV1Z6loBbPcA?view_as=subscriber
Pursuant to the above cited legislation, this meeting will be recorded and transcribed.
Please contact ZBA Clerk, Anne Rubin, at arubin@redhook.org, or (845)758-4624 with
any questions.
The next regularly scheduled ZBA Meeting is Wednesday, March 9, 2022. Prospective
ZBA Applicants must present their application to ZEO Bob Fennell. The submission
deadline for this meeting is Tuesday, March 1, 2022.
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