Public Safety Subcommittee
Regular MeetingSanta Rosa, CA · August 7, 2020
Minutes
City Hall, Council Chamber
City of Santa Rosa 100 Santa Rosa Avenue
Santa Rosa, CA 95404
Public Safety Subcommittee
Regular Meeting Minutes - Final
Friday, August 7, 2020 9:00 AM
1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL
Present: 3 - Tom Schwedhelm, Victoria Fleming and John Sawyer
2. ANNOUNCEMENTS
3. PUBLIC COMMENTS
Leslie Graves, co-Vice Chair for Community Advisory Board, shared
public comment from the Community Advisory Board Meeting:
requesting Santa Rosa Police Department to define deescalation
and explain use of force policies, call for greater consistency for all
law enforcement officers in Sonoma County, call for a joint power
agreement between the City and the County with the office of
IOLERO, a citizen's advisory committee, recommend a discussion
of the Human Rights Commission report.
Jobell spoke about the Zoom link not working in the agenda.
Sophia Ferar spoke about the Zoom link not working in the agenda
and the lack of publicizing of the meeting.
Eric Fraser spoke on the Zoom link not working in the agenda and
transparency in Santa Rosa Police Department's data.
Charlotte Borg spoke regarding the meeting date for the being
misidentified in a meeting on Monday, the agenda items having
minimal descriptions, and the finalized presentation for 4.1 not
available until yesterday.
Accountability spoke regarding the difficulty of accessing the
meeting and gave suggestions to easily publicize the meeting link.
Hugh Hotafel left a voicemail in opposition to defunding of the police
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department.
Maxine Lavin left a voicemail in opposition to defunding of the police
department.
Patrick Rutton left a voicemail in opposition to defunding of the
police department.
Joan Marie Franklin's email was read in opposition to defunding of
the police department.
Rich's email was read in opposition to defunding of the police
department.
Janelle Ogg's email was read regarding continuing the School
Resource Officer program.
Kristine Musante's email was read in opposition to defunding of the
police department.
Louise Clark's email was read regarding addressing racial
prejudices that exist in the Police Department and the community, in
opposition to defunding of the police department., and better
publicizing this subcommittee's meetings to all City residents.
Debbie Moore's email was read regarding the homeless situation in
Santa Rosa, increasing police patrols downtown, improve lighting
downtown, and supporting downtown merchants.
Lisa Brown's email was read in opposition to defunding of the police
department.
4. NEW BUSINESS
4.1 UPDATE ON MODELS FOR RESPONSE TO MENTAL
ILLNESS/HOMELESSNESS (CAHOOTS AND other PROGRAMS)
Staff will provide an update on models to address mental illness and
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quality of life issues. There is national attention to address mental
illness and quality of life issues using alternative methods rather than
the police. The CAHOOTS Program (Crisis Assistance Helping Out on
The Streets) is a nonprofit program in Eugene, Oregon. The
organization responds to calls related to crisis situations, both
independently and with police officers. The Police Department obtained
preliminary information of several other programs, locally and nationally,
which provide varied responses for non-criminal events.
Captain John Cregan gave a presentation regarding models for
response to mental illness/ homelessness and answered
Subcommittee's questions.
Mayor Schwedhelm recessed the meeting at 10:20 AM and
reconvened the meeting at 10:32 AM.
Present: 3 - Tom Schwedhelm, Victoria Fleming and John Sawyer
PUBLIC COMMENT
Suzy Lanter spoke in support of the CAHOOTs model, more
funding for mental health programs by defunding the police, and
sharing the statistics that were used in the presentation.
Jolie spoke regarding her request to defer the meeting due to the
inactive Zoom link and more funding for mental health programs by
professionals trained in mental health crises by defunding the
police.
Libby spoke in support of funding more mental health programs and
less police response to mental health crisis.
Eric Fraser spoke in regards to the difficulty of comparing data from
other organizations to Santa Rosa Police Department's data, the
need to depoliticize current situations, the local resources
mentioned in the presentation are not working, in support of
CAHOOTs or another outside agency, and asked about funding
sources for that type of program.
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Keith Rhinehart spoke in support of the CAHOOTs model, shifting
funds from the Police Department to create a non-uniformed mental
health crisis response team, and in support of the new transparency
page on the SRPD webpage.
Danielle Cazares spoke regarding the Police Department budget
increase and the Housing and Community Services budget
decrease, offering mental health services to community members,
and defunding the Police Department.
Scott spoke regarding the current reactionary approach in law
enforcement regarding mental health crisis, the Police Department
budget increase, and diverting Police Department funds into
proactive programs that support members of our community.
Charlotte Borg spoke in support of CAHOOTs and providing a
compassionate response for mental health other than the police
department.
Melissa spoke about providing a compassionate response for
mental health other than the police department, in support of
CAHOOTs, and reallocate funds from the police department to
mental health programs.
Defund the Police spoke in regards of mental illness, homeless, and
drug addiction are not a crime; defunding the police and funding
mental health services, housing, and addiction services; and abolish
the police.
Delashay spoke in regards to deaths of people experiencing mental
illness by police, shifting responsibility and funding for mental illness
from the Police Department to social services and the medical
community, statistics and cost of people experiencing mental illness
booked in jail and charged with crimes, the level of training the
Police Department receive for mental illness, and a phone number
separate from 911 for those experiencing a mental health crisis.
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Sal spoke in regards to the difference between police and
firefighters, was at the clearing of the Cancer Park and the
harassment and punishment of the homeless by the Police
Department, and spoke in support of defunding the police and
refunding social services.
Rigel Bowen spoke in regards to his frustration that the reforms
need to be discussed instead of just implementing the reforms, the
police department is incapable of doing their own job with the
funding they already receive, and spoke in support of defund,
reallocate, and abolish the police.
Evan Phillips spoke in support of CAHOOTs, having more response
options to limit police interaction which keeps police officers and the
public safer, accountability of past misconduct by police officers,
divesting and reallocating funding to more responsive and
preventative models to reduce the need for policing, and the
homelessness crisis has contributing factors and there are solutions
with a multi-pronged approach to address immediate needs and
conditions that contribute to someone becoming homeless.
Denise Hill spoke in support of CAHOOTs or a similar style program
to reduce the burden of the police department for these types of
calls for service, the issue of the criminal element of homelessness
in the community and the concentrated release of incarcerated
persons into Santa Rosa streets, asking the City to ask for other
jurisdictions to help carry the load to deal with the homeless, and the
HOST line outgoing message needs to be updated and be more
specific.
Accountability spoke in support of other models outside of the
CAHOOTs program however the majority of the other programs did
not take responsibility away from the Police Departments,
reallocating Police Department funds to better support the
community, and expanding mental health capacity and support within
Sonoma County.
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Berenice spoke about making these meetings more accessible and
announcing on more platforms other than the City's Facebook page,
also announce to the organizations, such as SAY, to allow the
members to participate, and in support of CAHOOTS.
Raquel spoke in support of funding more mental health services
similar to CAHOOTs, defund the police department and reinvest in
community programs, and police are not equipped to deal with
mental health crisis.
Lucy spoke about the presentation did not acknowledge that many
people experiencing mental health crisis do not call the police; the
Mobile Support Team does not have the staffing or ability to do all
the work that is needed to be done, it is used at the hands of the
police, and hours are limited; mental health professionals have
different training than police officers and are better suited to support
mental health crisis; and in support of CAHOOTs.
Natalie spoke in regards to funding social workers, rehabilitation
programs, and social services instead of the police department; and
in support of CAHOOTs.
Sophia spoke in regards to a program in Europe that trains law
enforcement officers for three years and those officers do not carry
guns or weapons; needing professionals trained in mental health;
and in support of CAHOOTS by defunding the police department.
Robert Edmonds, former Vice Chair of Community Local Law
Enforcement Task Force, spoke about the Evelyn Cheatam
Ordinance approved at the Board of Supervisors Meeting,
encouraged the City Council to develop a MOU to use the services
of the IOLERO for real oversight of the police and that there is no
comparison with the contract model for auditor that Santa Rosa has
used previously, and in support of CAHOOTs by moving funding
away from police to help the public.
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Paulina spoke about defunding the police and reinvest in the
community, and in support of CAHOOTs.
No voicemail or email public comments.
Mayor Schwedhelm recessed the meeting at 11:35 AM and
reconvened the meeting at 11:50 AM.
Presented
Present: 3 - Tom Schwedhelm, Victoria Fleming and John Sawyer
4.2 CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR MENTAL ILLNESS/HOMELESSNESS
Staff will provide an update on the study that has been undertaken to
determine the impacts of calls for mental illness and quality of life
issues. The Department completed a preliminary audit of these calls for
service and will provide a report and recommendation for a more
in-depth analysis.
Chief Navarro gave a presentation about calls for service for mental
illness/ homelessness and answered Subcommittee's questions.
PUBLIC COMMENT
Eric Fraser spoke regarding his concerns about the data that was
presented.
Keith Rhinehart spoke about the data presented regarding mental
health crisis calls, more funding for mental health calls, disappointed
with police officers responding to mental health crisis calls, and in
support of CAHOOTs.
Evan Phillips spoke in support of proper funding to mental health
services, working with community experts, and doing better than
CAHOOTs.
Charlotte Bork spoke in regards to the data showing a need for a
CAHOOTs type program, her concern for residents recently
detained by ICE, and the new mental health program implemented
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needs to help residents regardless of immigration status.
Roman spoke in support of Eric Fraser's comment and have the
City work in conjunction with the County's Mobile Support Team in
the interim while a CAHOOTs style program is implemented.
Libby spoke in support of the CAHOOTs program and wants to see
follow up and proper funding by divesting funds from the Police
Department.
Melissa spoke in regards to echoing concerns for support for
undocumented community members, support of independent
auditor finding the data, and mental health consultants in programs
already running, and in support of CAHOOTs and work with Mobile
Support Team in the meantime.
Scott spoke in regards to the CAHOOTs style program needs to be
developed in conjunction with community members with limited input
from the Police Department, a lack of transparency in the data
collected, and requires an independent office overseeing the
implementation.
Delashay spoke in regards to CAHOOTs program being run by
mental health agencies, and not the Police Department, and needs
ample funding.
Anna Frattolillo, a mental health worker, spoke in support of
Delashay's comment and advocated for working with citizens
experiencing mental health crisis to be a part of creating the
program, and this program defunds the police and also hold mental
health professionals accountable.
Defund the Police spoke in support of Delashay's comment and
providing funding to help homeless by defunding the Police
Department.
Megan spoke in regards to her reporting of racial bias in 911 calls
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and has spoken with police officers and dispatchers who support
other types of response programs, in support of CAHOOTs and
creation of a citizen oversight committee for the planning and
implementation, spoke in support of Scott and Delashay's
comments, providing transparent data, reprioritizing calls for service,
where to take individuals experiencing a mental health crisis, and
defund the police.
Jolie spoke in regards to her concern on the accuracy of the data
presented.
Julia spoke regarding her support for previous speakers, Delashay's
comment about funding for CAHOOTs, and overtime expenses for
police officers.
Natalie spoke in support of previous callers and funding for
CAHOOTs coming from Police Department.
Mayor Schwedhelm exited the meeting at 1:00 PM.
Vice Mayor Fleming recessed the meeting at 1:02 PM and
reconvened the meeting at 1:17 PM.
Presented
Present: 2 - Victoria Fleming and John Sawyer
Absent: 1 - Tom Schwedhelm
4.3 SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS AD HOC COMMITTEE UPDATE
Staff will provide an update on the School Resource Officers Ad Hoc
Committee created by Santa Rosa City Schools to evaluate the value of
the School Resource Officer (SRO) Program within their school district.
Staff will provide a brief update on agenda items and timelines.
Chief Navarro gave a brief presentation on the School Resource
Officer Ad Hoc Committee Update and answered Subcommittee's
questions.
Rigel Bowen spoke in regards to having this discussion without
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having listened to comments of those under the SRO program.
Keith Rhinehart spoke in opposition of the SRO program and
diverting money from the SRO program to having mental health
professionals on campus.
Megan spoke in opposition of the SRO program.
Suzy Lanter spoke in regards to the history of the SRO program,
statistics of the school-to-prison pipeline, and SRO budget.
Eric Fraser spoke in opposition of the SRO program.
Sophia spoke in opposition to the SRO program.
Scott spoke in opposition of the SRO program.
Melissa spoke in opposition of the SRO program and needing more
social services in schools.
Jo spoke in opposition to the SRO program, poll the students how
they feel about having a SRO on campus, the requirements to
become a police officer require are limited in specialized training
and strict in background experiences which limit who can become an
officer, and the need for people who can relate to the people they
are responding to and more counselors in schools.
Emma spoke in opposition to the SRO program and the lack of
other resources in schools.
Defund the Police spoke in opposition to the SRO program.
Libby spoke in opposition to the SRO program.
Charlotte Borg spoke in opposition to the SRO program.
Natalie spoke in opposition to the SRO program.
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Julia spoke in opposition to the SRO program, defund the Police
Department, and reallocate funds.
Alan Pravel spoke in opposition to defunding the police, the police
department is understaffed for the population size in terms of sworn
officer ratio to population, offer hazard compensation pay to officers
during the COVID-19 pandemic, and in support of the SRO
program.
Stephan Bussell, Police Officer's Association President and SRO,
left a voicemail in regards to the Police Department's commitment to
move forward with community engagement, education, and unity, in
support of the creation of the School Resource Officer Ad Hoc
committee, the benefits of the SRO program on campuses, and
welcomes dialogue about the program with community members.
Seyshelle spoke in opposition to Alan Pravel's comment.
Amber spoke in opposition to the SRO program and needing
additional funding for services and programs in schools.
Sabel Regalia spoke in opposition to the SRO program.
Richard Ogg's email was read in support of the SRO program.
Subcommittee provided direction to staff on the School Resource
Officer Ad Hoc committee.
Presented
4.4 21st CENTURY POLICING AND LEGISLATIVE UPDATE
Staff will provide an update on 21st Century Policing and updated
legislation. In 2015, the President commissioned the 21st Century
Policing report which outlines six pillars and emphasizes Procedural
Justice. The Santa Rosa Police Department published it's alignment
with the six pillar recommendations at that time and is now updating the
current alignment with the six pillars.
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Chief Navarro gave a brief presentation regarding 21st century
policing and a legislative update.
Keith Rhinehart spoke in support of the adoption of the six pillars
and in opposition to the SRO program.
Eric Fraser spoke in opposition to the SRO program and discussed
what is lacking from the six pillars.
Jolie thanked Vice Mayor Fleming for her point of view on these
agenda items and asked Chief Navarro to bridge the gap with
addressing the pillars in our community.
Defund the Police addressed the problems she has had with the
police.
Libby spoke in regards to the lack of an update about six pillars, the
foundation of law enforcement and policing, and what is being done
to address systemic racism within the police department.
Sabel Regalia echoed the comments of previous speakers on the
origins of police departments and discussed item #1 of the six
pillars.
Emma asked a question of the subcommittee - do you think implicit
bias training is working in police communities in Santa Rosa?
Charlotte Borg spoke on her confusion for the purpose of this
agenda item and spoke on pillar #1 in regards to lack of police
department accountability, her concern about the lack of community
wellness and safety mentioned in the pillars, and the lack of action
taken by the police department for actions of violence against
protestors by members of the public.
Roman spoke in support of Charlotte's comment, in opposition to
the SRO program, reallocation of funds from the police department
to social services, and the need for consultants instead of staff
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presenters.
Scott spoke in regards to the lack of update to the six pillars and
briefly discussed the pillars.
Julia echoed previous statements and spoke about the protests and
holding officer's accountable.
Vice Mayor Fleming delayed Item 4.5 - Transparency to the next
meeting due to lack of quorum.
Nicole Pierce's voicemail was played in support of the police
department.
Deanna Holzapfel's email was read in support of the Police
Department and do not defund.
Katherine Larsen's email was read in support of the Police
Department.
Amy Famini's email was read in support of the Police Department,
providing more robust training to Police Officers, and do not defund.
Amy Newton's email was read in support of the Police Department
and do not defund.
Gavin Newton's email was read in support of the Police Department
and do not defund.
Richard Ogg's email was read in support of the Police Department
and do not defund.
Presented
4.5 TRANSPARENCY
Staff will provide an update to the recently published Santa Rosa Police
Department 2019 data including calls for service, arrests and use of
force. The department provides information to the community through
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the department’s website: srcity.org/change-for-the-better.
This item has been deferred to the next meeting due to lack of a
quorum.
5. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS
Item 4.5 - Transparency was deferred to next meeting due to
quorum.
6. ADJOURNMENT
Vice Mayor Fleming adjourned the meeting at 3:22 PM.
The City of Santa Rosa does not discriminate on the basis of disability in the admissions or access to, or treatment of or
employment in, its programs or activities. Disability-related aids or services, including printed information in alternate formats,
to enable persons with disabilities to participate in public meetings and programs are available by contacting the Secretary at
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Approved on: September 25, 2020
/s/ Elizabeth Licursi, Recording Secretary
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PUBLIC SAFETY SUBCOMMITTEE
REGULAR MEETING AGENDA AND
SUMMARY REPORT
AUGUST 7, 2020
9:00 A.M.
Attachments: SUBCOMITÉ DE SEGURIDAD PÚBLICA AGENDA
DUE TO THE PROVISIONS OF THE GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS
N-25-20 AND N-29-20 WHICH SUSPEND CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS OF
THE BROWN ACT, AND THE ORDER OF THE HEALTH OFFICER OF THE
COUNTY OF SONOMA TO SHELTER IN PLACE TO MINIMIZE THE
SPREAD OF COVID-19, THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS WILL BE
PARTICIPATING VIA ZOOM WEBINAR.
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e-mail at pss-comment@srcity.org, recorded voice message at
707-543-4622. E-mail and recorded voice message public comments will
be read or played into record (up to 3 minutes each) during the meeting
at the time that Agenda Item is discussed during the Public Safety
Subcommittee meeting.
DEADLINES AND ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTION FOR PUBLIC COMMENT
ARE SET FORTH BELOW.
PUBLIC COMMENTS
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Live Public Comment: The public accessing the meeting through the Zoom
link or dial-in will be able to provide public comment on agenda items at
the time an Agenda Item is discussed during the Public Safety
Subcommittee Meeting. Go to https://srcity.org/virtualparticipation for more
information.
E-mail Public Comment: To submit an e-mailed public comment to the
Subcommittee members, please send to: pss-comment@srcity.org by 5:00
p.m., August 5, 2020. Identify in the subject line of your e-mail the Agenda
Item Number on which you wish to comment, provide your name in the
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State your name, the Agenda Item Number(s) on which you wish to
comment, and your comment. Recordings will be limited to 3 minutes.
E-mail and recorded voice message public comments will be read or
played into record (up to 3 minutes each) during the meeting at the time
that Agenda Item is discussed.
Non-Agenda Items are the time when any person may address the
Subcommittee on matters not listed on this agenda, but which are within
the subject matter jurisdiction of the Subcommittee.
9:00 A.M. (VIDEO CONFERENCE)
1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL
2. ANNOUNCEMENTS
3. PUBLIC COMMENTS
This is the time when any person may address matters not listed on this
agenda, but which are within the subject matter of the jurisdiction. The public
may comment on agenda items when the item is called. Each speaker is
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allowed three minutes.
4. NEW BUSINESS
Attachments: Presentation - Revised (Uploaded 8/6/20)
Presentation (Uploaded 8/5/20)
Presentation
4.1 UPDATE ON MODELS FOR RESPONSE TO MENTAL
ILLNESS/HOMELESSNESS (CAHOOTS AND other PROGRAMS)
Staff will provide an update on models to address mental illness and
quality of life issues. There is national attention to address mental
illness and quality of life issues using alternative methods rather than
the police. The CAHOOTS Program (Crisis Assistance Helping Out on
The Streets) is a nonprofit program in Eugene, Oregon. The
organization responds to calls related to crisis situations, both
independently and with police officers. The Police Department obtained
preliminary information of several other programs, locally and nationally,
which provide varied responses for non-criminal events.
4.2 CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR MENTAL ILLNESS/HOMELESSNESS
Staff will provide an update on the study that has been undertaken to
determine the impacts of calls for mental illness and quality of life
issues. The Department completed a preliminary audit of these calls for
service and will provide a report and recommendation for a more
in-depth analysis.
4.3 SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS AD HOC COMMITTEE UPDATE
Staff will provide an update on the School Resource Officers Ad Hoc
Committee created by Santa Rosa City Schools to evaluate the value of
the School Resource Officer (SRO) Program within their school district.
Staff will provide a brief update on agenda items and timelines.
4.4 21st CENTURY POLICING AND LEGISLATIVE UPDATE
Staff will provide an update on 21st Century Policing and updated
legislation. In 2015, the President commissioned the 21st Century
Policing report which outlines six pillars and emphasizes Procedural
Justice. The Santa Rosa Police Department published it's alignment
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with the six pillar recommendations at that time and is now updating the
current alignment with the six pillars.
4.5 TRANSPARENCY
Staff will provide an update to the recently published Santa Rosa Police
Department 2019 data including calls for service, arrests and use of
force. The department provides information to the community through
the department’s website: srcity.org/change-for-the-better.
5. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS
6. ADJOURNMENT
The City of Santa Rosa does not discriminate on the basis of disability in the admissions or access to, or treatment of or
employment in, its programs or activities. Disability-related aids or services, including printed information in alternate formats,
to enable persons with disabilities to participate in public meetings and programs are available by contacting the Secretary at
(707) 543-3012 (TTY Relay at 711) one week prior to the meeting. Meeting information can also be accessed via the internet
at http://srcity.org.
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