City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · December 5, 2000
Minutes
CITY COUNCIL MEETING
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS, NEW YORK
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 5, 2000
CITY COUNCIL ROOM
6:40 P.M.
PRESENT : Thomas Curley, Commissioner, Public Safety
Kenneth Klotz, Mayor
Michael Lenz, Commissioner, Finance
Thomas McTygue, Commissioner, Public Works
ABSENT : Bernard Mirling, Commissioner, Accounts
ALSO PRESENT: Phillip Klein, Board of Supervisors Representative
Anthony Scirocco, Board of Supervisors Representative
STAFF PRESENT: Christine Gillmett-Brown, Deputy Commissioner, Finance
Carol Kennedy, Deputy Commissioner, Accounts
Robert King, Deputy Commissioner, Public Safety
William McTygue, Deputy Commissioner, Public Works
Jeffrey Wait, City Attorney
PUBLIC HEARING
Local Law Enforcement Block Grant
Commissioner Thomas Curley said this is an annual grant that the City receives. He said the committee
reviewing this grant has recommended that the $56,000 be used for the purchase of equipment.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz opened the public hearing. There being no one wishing to speak, Mayor Kenneth Klotz
closed the public hearing.
Rezoning -- ANW, Inc.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said this was a public hearing on a petition from ANW Holding, Inc. to rezone
approximately three acres at the intersection of Greenfield Avenue and Granite Street. He said this
proposal is to change the zoning designation from Urban Residential-1 (single family homes on 12,500
square foot lots) to Urban Residential-3 (single family homes on 6,600 square foot lots). He said the
Planning Board has issued a favorable advisory opinion on the proposed rezoning.
John Witt said he is under contract to purchase 3.4 acres located along Greenfield Avenue. He said his
original proposal consisted of 5 lots, however, because of the cost of the required drainage, he is now
proposing 11 lots.
Dave Carr, The LA Group, said they are proposing lots along Greenfield Avenue and Granite Street of
6,600 square feet. He said there will be no new curb cuts along Greenfield Avenue or Granite Street.
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She said the smaller lots will show as carriage houses to the larger lots. He said this proposal is a simple
extension of the UR-3 district.
Dave Carr said the Planning Board was concerned about the drainage in this area, therefore, the applicant
met with DPW staff and have done test holes. He said based on those tests and DPW recommendations
the applicant is proposing to install a 1,600 foot line down to North Broadway. He said they also propose
an 8-inch water line to connect to the 6 inch and 4 inch lines which will create a loop. He said they are
proposing a gravity sewer line. He then showed a artist sketch of the proposed homes.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz asked if a public hearing had been held at the Planning Board on this project. Geoff
Bornemann said there was no formal public hearing, but there was a public comment period. He said if
the Council approves the rezoning this evening, this project will return to the Planning Board for a public
hearing. Geoff Bornemann also informed Council members that Planning Board staff visited and walked
this site. He said there were a number of neighbors who attend that site visit expressing their concerns.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz opened the public hearing.
Gus D’Amato, 230 Clinton Street, said he had no problem with this application, however, he was concerned
about additional traffic and blasting. He said he would like to have a representative walk through his
home before and after blasting to verify that there are no water leaks and/or cracks. He said he was
quite concerned that blasting could create damage to his home; and he wanted assurance that if there
were any problems after blasting, the applicant’s insurance company would pay for that damage. Dave
Carr said since Gus D’Amato is an adjacent neighbor of this parcel, his home would be included in the
survey.
Kathleen Cleary 127 VanDam Street, said she was somewhat familiar with the project and she confident
that the applicant would be sensitive to the neighborhood. She said the applicant came to the North Side
Neighborhood Association meeting and made a detailed presentation.
Pell Kennedy, Greenfield Avenue, said she has seen lots of John Witt’s work around town and she was
confident that this proposal would be beneficial to the neighborhood.
John Ingman, 46 Granite Street, said this project is a mixed blessing. He said they will get improved
drainage and property values would likely rise, but was concerned about the loss of trees. He said she
would also like to see the pre-blast survey area extended to a more than normal size. He noted that this
proposal is projected to take between three and five years for completion. He asked that zoning
regulations be followed carefully.
Rebecca Rice, 46 Granite Street, said she too was concerned about the trees and had spoken to the
applicant on that concern. She said she was also concerned about the scale of the homes and the
character of the neighborhood. She said the applicant is proposing to building 3,000 square foot homes
in an area where the one of the largest existing homes is 1,410 square feet. She said she was concerned
about lot coverage. She said the smaller homes in this area are at about 800 square feet. She said these
are tiny lots in this area of the City. She said she was also concerned about blasting over a three to five
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year period. She said she would rather see five homes than what is proposed.
Joseph Levy, 36 Vermont Street, said he owns property in this area. He said his concern was for the
narrow alley. He suggested that some consideration be given to widening Park Ally. He too said he would
rather see five lots that what is proposed.
Martha Crownin said this proposal impacts this area tremendously. She said this same type of proposal
was done in Long Island and it does not suit this area. She said she does not want town homes located in
this area. She said town homes do not suit this area of the City. She said there are too many negatives
to this proposal and wondered if it was proposed for the east side of the City would the Council be
considering it.
Dave Carr said the issue of the narrowness of Park Alley was discussed at the Planning Board meeting and
was addressed by Public Safety. She said the applicant plans to double the width of the alley by using
their property. He said when this project returns to the Planning Board, DPS and DPW will address the
alley issue. Dave Carr said whether there are five lots or eleven, there would be blasting. He said the
time for build out on this project is not because of the amount of homes. He said if it was the applicant’s
choice, they would prefer to go with their original proposal. He said, though, that they were not given the
option of staying with the original proposal. He said the City has told them that if they did not address
the drainage issue, the project would not go forward.
John Witt said the narrowest lot in this proposal is 60 feet, while many of the existing surrounding
parcels are less. He said the homes to be constructed nearest to the existing homes will be similar in size
and scale.
John Mair, 226 Clinton street, said he was concerned about the tree buffer. He said John Witt is
proposing between 15 and 40 feet of buffer but he thought it should be more. He said he thought this
proposal would be a good addition to the neighborhood.
Emma Hanson, Fourth Street, said there are some rather large mansions on Clinton Street and this project
would serve as a good bridge between the larger and the smaller homes. She said John Witt does a good
job on his projects and she was confident this project would fit into this neighborhood.
Lisa Nagle, 48 Granite Street, said she has mixed feelings about this project. She said she liked it when
it was less lots but also understood there is mixed zoning in this area. She said she was glad the alley
would be widened and would carry all the way through. She said she was somewhat concerned about
parking and traffic but would address those concerns with the Planning Board. She said, though, that she
was glad to see some infill.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz read a letter from Gordon & Sharon Boyd, 99 State Street, in which they stated that
they supported this project.
There being no one else wishing to speak, Mayor Kenneth Klotz closed the public hearing.
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
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Vote B ANW, Inc. Rezoning (00-237)
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Michael Lenz seconded for the issuance of a negative SEQR
determination and for the adoption of the zoning map amendment to rezone approximately three acres at
the intersection of Greenfield Avenue and Granite Street from UR-1 to UR-3.
Commissioner Thomas Curley reminded everyone that there would be ample opportunity at the Planning
Board for neighbors to discuss their concerns.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said this is a good process when neighbors are involved in project. He said he
understood the mixed feelings though. He said the Council needs to listen to the neighbors, but they must
base their decision on what is good for the City and compatible with the neighborhood. He said he did
not believe this was an east vs. west side issue as one neighbor suggested. He said there has been a lot
of developer and high density projects on the east side over recent years.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said he was glad to see development in the inner core of the City. He said this
particular developer considers the neighborhood when developing a project and he was confident that it
would blend into the neighborhood. He also noted that this project would very likely help with the
drainage issues in this neighborhood.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said eventually these projects end up in his department. He said there are
many developers in this City and this one is a good one. He said this developer will accommodate the City’s
needs and will do the job right. He said there is a small number of contractors that the City has had some
problems with by them trying to take shortcuts. He said Kirby Road was a good example. He said at the
time that project was developed there were no subdivision rules or regulations. He said it cost the City
$300,000 to install the necessary drainage in this area. He said Skidmore is an example of a project that
worked with the City on what is good the City and the neighborhood. He said he would continue to be
strong with the developers on behalf of the City.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz asked if the advisory opinion from the Planning Board was unanimous. Geoff
Bornemann said yes. He said the Planning Board noted that most of the issues could be dealt with during
the subdivision process.
Ayes all.
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Kenneth Klotz called the meeting to order at 7:10 p.m.
MAYOR=S OFFICE
Proclamations B Saratoga Springs High School Cross Country Teams
Mayor Kenneth Klotz read two proclamations noting the Saratoga Springs High School Cross County Team
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accomplishments over this past year and congratulating them on their successes.
Linda Kranick, teacher and coach, said this recognition by Saratoga Springs was very special to these
students because it is from their own community. She said these students are very good ambassadors and
they are known nationwide. She said in part, this community is known because of these athletes. She
introduced the members of the teams and thanked the City for this recognition.
Discussion -- 2001 Budget
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said the Council adopted the 2001 budget at the last meeting and he simply wanted
to reiterate a few points. He said it was a good budget in part because of citizen participation in the
budget process. He said there were extensive discussion by Council members on this budget. He said this
is the first time in a decade that there has been a zero percent tax rate. He said this is a budget of which
the City should be proud.
Approve Sales Tax Consultant
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said $25,000 had been budgeted to use for a sales tax consultant. He said he had
distributed the information he had received from firms. He said he only very recently received a final
proposal from KPMG. He said he would like to propose that KPMG be hired as the City’s consultant. He
said it should be noted in the motion that the Council is approving this firm in principal, contingent upon
the City Attorney’s review. He said this contract would be structured in stages.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to hire KPMG as the City’s Sales
Tax Consultant contingent upon the City Attorney reviewing the contract.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said he was concerned because he had not had time to view the proposal from
KPMG. He said he was also concerned that the Council chose to simply place $25,000 in his budget for
this consultant. He asked the Mayor why it was taken from the Mayor’s budget and placed in his. He
asked if the $25,000 was exceeded, whose responsibility would it be to find the additional funds. Mayor
Kenneth Klotz said it was added to the Finance Department budget as a housekeeping issue and because
it was the appropriate place. Commissioner Michael Lenz said he specifically asked about the selection
process. He said the Mayor made it clear he would make the recommendation to the Council. Therefore,
if it was the Mayor’s recommendation it should be in the Mayor’s budget.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said tonight is the opportunity for Council members to provide input on this matter.
He said he realized the final proposal from KPMG arrived very recently. Commissioner Michael Lenz
asked if the Mayor had met with this firm or any others. Mayor Kenneth Klotz said he met with Mr.
Kirschner but the others he had talked to on the telephone. Commissioner Michael Lenz asked why he was
not invited to participate in those discussions. Mayor Kenneth Klotz said those were preliminary
discussions. Mayor Kenneth Klotz said he would be willing to work with Commissioner Michael Lenz on this
issue and would be willing to postpone voting on it this evening. Commissioner Michael Lenz said he would
like more time to review the proposals.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said though that Mayor Kenneth Klotz was missing the point and again asked
why the $25,000 was placed in his budget. He said there is no precedent and it was inappropriate to have
it in his budget. Mayor Kenneth Klotz said the Council placed these funds in the Finance Department
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budget, not him.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said he too received this information very late and he has not had time to
review it in detail. He said the information he received was quite generic in nature. Commissioner Thomas
McTygue suggested a special meeting to discuss this proposal. Commissioner Thomas McTygue asked if
the Mayor had reviewed this process with the Accounts Department.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said he had no problem waiting another two weeks to vote on this issue. He said he
would either hold a special meeting on this topic or bring it forward at the next regularly scheduled
meeting.
Comprehensive Plan Review Committee B Report
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said the Comprehensive Plan Committee has asked for a six-month extension to
continue their work. He said he did not want this to be a standing committee but would grant them the
additional time.
Supplemental Betterment Agreement B West Avenue
Paul Male, City Engineer, said this resolution is for additional costs that were determined after the bid
was opened. He said there is an additional cost of $13,650 for water main installation, increased storm
sewer size, plastic conduit for future cable installations and sanitary sewer installation. He said the
initial approved cost was $853,559.36 but will now increase to$867,209.36.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz asked if these items were within the framework of the bid. Paul Male said this does
not change the contract, but rather only changes the price.
Commissioner Thomas Curley asked if this information was circulated. Paul Male said he gave it to the
Mayor’s Office this afternoon.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said this amount is more than what was bonded. Paul Male said there could
be some substitutions, additions and/or deletions to this project which will affect the cost. Commissioner
Michael Lenz said it had already been bonded and we cannot go out and bond this project again.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz asked if this was 80 percent reimbursable. Paul Male said this cost is a 100 percent
cost to the City.
Commissioner Michael Lenz asked if it was necessary to have an approval this evening. Paul Male said we
have 90 days to send the funds to state. Paul Male said he would distribute this information to Council
members.
Armory -- November/December Payment
Linda Terricola commended both Art & Linda Kranick for coaching the cross country teams and for also
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volunteering their time for the summer youth programs.
Linda Terricola said the Armory is requesting an additional payment for November 13-December 31 in the
amount of $5,371.91. She said the cost of renting the space has doubled recently. She said the Armory
is currently being used for girls/boys biddy basketball and coed lacrosse. She said the money to make
this payment is within the Recreation Department budget.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said he would be meeting with Assembly D’Andrea and representatives from the
Armory to discuss future use of this building. He asked if this would be the final payment for this year.
Linda Terricola said yes. She said she had discussed with the Armory prorating next year’s contract from
January through March.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to approve payment of $5,371.91
to the Armory. Ayes all.
Time-Warner Cable Agreement
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said the contract between the City and Time Warner Cable runs out on December 31,
2000. He said he has had some preliminary discussions with them and there seems to be little flexibility
with the arrangements. He said there has been some interest from community members on this contract
and he had some issues such as broadcasting Council meetings and revenue that should be thought about.
He said the surrounding towns have formed a regional committee to review this contract.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said he would form a local advisory committee to do some research on this contract
and he will ask the Public Service Commission for a six-month extension. Commissioner Michael Lenz asked
if the Mayor was considering asking Time Warner to televise City meetings. Mayor Kenneth Klotz said
there needs to be more of a commitment to the community by Time Warner. Mayor Kenneth Klotz said
public hearings would be held on this matter at a later date.
Block Grant Application Meeting
Mayor Kenneth Klotz announced that the Block Grant Application meeting would be held on December 7
at 6:00 p.m. in the Court Room. He said the application and instructions will be made available at that time
on how to go through the process. He said the City has a grant in excess of $465,000 for this program.
Appointments (00-238)
Mayor Kenneth Klotz announced the appointment of John DeMarco, Tom Richards, Susan Davis and
Gretchen Marcell to the Historic Preservation Committee.
Chamber of Commerce Membership
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said he asked the Chamber to make a presentation to the Council , however, a letter
from Joe Dalton had been received and forwarded to Council members. He said it was emphasized in that
letter that the Chamber has a commitment to the City through the youth advocate program, parking grants,
a variety of workshops/programs that City employees are eligible to participate in, etc. Mayor Kenneth
Klotz said the City’s membership in this organization is a good opportunity to show its support to the small
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business community.
West Side Artists’ Community
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said the West Side Artists’ Community organization had recently been formed. He
said this organization is interested in raising funds for programs in the Beekman Street area. He said this
is a good program for the City and is ideal for the goals of that community. He said the formation of this
organization also reinforces that Saratoga Springs is a community that supports the arts.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said this is good for the west side community and he was sure that the
questions/concerns expressed by the West Side Neighborhood Association could be addressed. He said
he hoped that the issues could be worked out.
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
Approval of November 8, 14 & 21 City Council meeting minutes
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to approve the November 8, 14
& 21 City Council meeting minutes. Ayes all.
Waive of Bid B SPSS, Inc. B Software
Mayor Kenneth Klotz withdrew this item from discussion.
Extension of Bid B EMT Supplies
Upon the recommendation of the Department of Public Safety, Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and
Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to extend the bid with Emergency Medical Products for one year
for EMT supplies under the same terms and conditions. Ayes all.
Vote B ANW, Inc. Rezoning
Previously discussed.
FINANCE OFFICE
Payroll
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to approve the following
payrolls: November 22, 2000B$309,644.95 and December 1, 2000-$299,196.57. Ayes all.
Warrants
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded for the approval and payment of the
1DEC20 #2 through # 26 as follows:
General Fund $ 373,704.97
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City Center Authority 12,751.74
Water Fund 52,252.50
Sewer Fund 6,243.28
Capital Projects Fund 440.00
Special Assessment District 1,175.00
Trust Fund -0-
Debt Service -0-
Community Development 24,078.02
TOTAL $ 470,645.51
and the MC201129 warrant #2-#6 as follows:
General Fund $ 33,743.81
City Center Authority 10,390.61
Water Fund 3,236.61
Sewer Fund 1,513.26
Capital Projects Fund -0-
Special Assessment District -0-
Trust Fund -0-
Debt Service -0-
Community Development -0-
TOTAL $ 48,884.29
Ayes all.
Budget Amendments
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to approve the budget
amendments as presented (Attachment A). Ayes all.
Budget Transfers
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to approve the budget transfers as
presented (Attachment B). Ayes all.
Update on Sale of City Property
Jeff Wait, City Attorney, said the Real Estate Committee recently met and reviewed 30 properties. He
said they reviewed each parcel and removed some from the list. He said there are a number of strips
between two parcels that will be offered to the adjacent property owners. He said the committee will
make recommendations to the Council in the near future on which parcels should be auctioned.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said he and his staff had worked with Geoff Bornemann on developing this list
of city owned parcels. He asked for Council input on the sale of these parcels. He said once he received
Council input, the Real Estate Committee will then make recommendations to the Council with minimum bid
prices. He said the objective is to get some of these City owned parcels back on the tax roles.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz asked if there were any parcels that could be used for small pocket parks. Jeff
Wait said there were a number of parcels that the committee has yet to review. He said it would be
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necessary to visit some of these parcels in order to make a determination. Commissioner Thomas McTygue
said it was his understanding that it was likely that none could serve that purpose.
Year-End Transfers and Amendments
Commissioner Michael Lenz reminded Council members that all year end budget transfers and amendments
must be to his office no later than December 14 so that the those amendments and transfers can be made
at the December 19 meeting.
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Waive of Bid B Dehn’s Flowers
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to approve the waive of
bid to Dehn’s flowers in the amount of $2,233.00 for spring bulb planting. Ayes all.
Woodlawn Avenue Parking Lots B Saratoga Associates
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said he had received a proposal from the Saratoga Associates for the
Woodlawn Avenue Parking lot improvements. He said The Saratoga Associates would make a presentation
as tomorrow’s Planning Board meeting.
Dollars for Decorations
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said his staff continues to receive checks for this program. He said he
would report to the Council at a later date what had been received.
Executive Session
Commissioner Thomas McTygue requested an executive session to discuss the Town of Wilton lawsuit.
Council members agreed.
Boiler
Commissioner Thomas McTygue reported that there is an emergency situation and the purchase of a new
boiler is required. He said it would cost about $15,000 to replace and he does not have those funds. He
said he proposed to run down as many line items as possible to make this purchase, but it might be
necessary for him to go to Finance to find the remainder.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to approve the purchase of a
new boiler in the approximate amount of $15,000. Ayes all.
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
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Code Enforcement Program (00-239)
Commissioner Thomas Curley said he was pleased to report that Dan Cogan would be appointed as of
December 18 as the new code enforcer. He said Dan Cogan placed first on the list and has a number of
years of experience. He said his department has been cataloging properties with violations and they will
now be prioritized and action will be taken. He said the City will now be quite aggressive with code
enforcement.
Holiday Parking Enforcement Program
Commissioner Thomas Curley said in order to encourage turnover in parking spaces in the downtown area
over the holiday season, a part time parking enforcement will be hired for the next three weeks to issue
tickets to encourage violators to move their vehicles.
Public Safety Employee Upgrades
Commissioner Thomas Curley said he would like to make recommendations this evening to raise the grades
of several Public Safety employees.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue asked if the CSEA union had approved these upgrades. Commissioner
Thomas Curley said no. Commissioner Thomas McTygue suggested that CSEA approval be sought first.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said he would return to the next Council meeting with this issue.
Executive Session
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Michael Lenz seconded to go into executive
session at 8:25 p.m. to discuss the Town of Wilton law suit. Ayes all. Council members return at 9:10 p.m.
Town of Wilton Lawsuit (00-240)
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to hire Richard Mullaney, Esq.
to assist Jeff Wait, City Attorney, in the Town of Wilton Lawsuit. Ayes all.
ADJOURNMENT
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to adjourn the meeting at
9:10 p.m. Ayes all. There being no further business Mayor Kenneth Klotz adjourned the meeting at 9:10
p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Kathy Moran
Clerk
Approved:
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