City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · November 7, 2001
Minutes
City Council Meeting Minutes
Wednesday, November 7, 2001
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES
WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 7, 2001
Present: Mayor Kenneth Klotz
Commissioner of Finance, Michael Lenz
Commissioner of Public Works, Thomas McTygue
Commissioner of Public Safety, Thomas Curley
Commissioner of Accounts, Bernard Mirling
Staff Present: City Attorney Jeffrey Wait
Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown
Deputy Commissioner Bruce Brown
Deputy Commissioner Robert King
Deputy Commissioner Carol Kennedy
Also Present: Supervisor Phil Klein
Supervisor Anthony Scirocco
SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
Commissioner Curley asked Mayor Klotz if Firefighter Robert Murphy could come to the
microphone to make an announcement in reference to a fundraising event for some
individuals affected by the September 11 tragedy. Bob Murphy introduced Joe Mack,
owner of the Horseshoe Inn on Gridley Avenue. He said that there is a nice evening
fundraiser planned at the “Horseshoe” this Saturday night, November 10, from 7 p.m. to
11 p.m., that will feature stars from the “Sopranos” television show, a band, special
raffles, and all of the money raised will go to the Staten Island Fire Department memorial
fund. Joe Mack said that the fund is called the “Friends Forever “ fund and the money is
specifically earmarked for the wives and families of two firemen who were off-duty but
came to help out at the WTC tragedy and were killed. He said that lots of items have
been donated to be auctioned/raffled off. Bob Murphy displayed a memorial shirt that he
designed and said that he is taking orders for the shirts.
Commissioner Curley complimented Bob and Joe for their efforts.
MAYOR'S DEPARTMENT
Appearance: Hellmich Property Rezoning
Mayor Klotz said that this item concerns a petition by Linda Hellmich to make a zoning
map amendment to change the zoning on her property at 585 North Broadway from
Urban Residential –1 to Urban Residential-2. Mayor Klotz asked Linda Hellmich to
explain her proposal and then the City Council will vote whether to send the petition to
the City and County Planing Board for the required advisory opinions. Linda Hellmich
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said that she is applying for the zoning map amendment for a piece of property between
581 and 595 North Broadway that has been in her family for 32 years. She said it was
originally zoned UR-4, then changed in 1990 to UR-1. She said she would like to change
it to UR-2 in order to build two two-family residences, one of which will be her house.
She said that John Witt will be her partner in the development of this and she feels that
this project will enhance North Broadway. Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and
Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to accept the petition for study and send
the petition to the City and County Planing Boards for the required advisory
opinions. Ayes all
Schedule Public Hearing on Sales Tax
Mayor Klotz said that he has had a reminder from Commissioner Curley that when the
City Council voted to opt out of the County Sales Tax formula, it was agreed at the table
to have a public hearing to give members of the public an opportunity to comment or give
their opinions on that subject. He said because of his illness, the public hearing did not
get scheduled earlier. Mayor Klotz said that there will be public hearings scheduled on
the budget and since the subject of the Sales Tax has an impact on the budget, he thought
the public hearing could be scheduled to coincide with a public hearing on the 2002
budget, maybe right before it. Commissioner Lenz asked about the required time span on
setting a public hearing for next Tuesday, November 13. City Attorney Wait said that
five days is enough time to allow for a public notice. Mayor Klotz and that the council
agreed to schedule a public hearing on the Sales Tax issue at 6:30 pm Tuesday November
13. He said that a Public Hearing on the 2002 Budget would follow at 7:00 pm.
Task Force on City Center Upgrade
Mayor Klotz reported on his plans to form a task force on the City Center upgrade, an
announcement he made late last month in response to the second portion of a feasibility
study released this fall. He said that the City Center Authority has been working with a
hired consultant for nearly a year now, so it is time to move it out from the authority into
general public discussion. Mayor Klotz said that he wants to take several members of the
City Center Authority and bring in some other business people not connected with the
City Center Authority to look into some of the details and ideas that are being considered.
He said that the feasibility study does analyze a couple of different scenarios for the
upgrade of the City Center so this would broaden the group of people that are thinking
about this, yet move forward with more specific details to float before the general public
and ultimately before the City Council. Mayor Klotz explained that the City Council has
no direct authority over the City Center Authority, but does pass on its budget, so they
will have a say in any decisions that are made regarding this upgrade.
Planning Board Request to Review Comprehensive Plan Amendment
Mayor Klotz said that the City Planning Board asked the Mayor if the City Council could
review an amendment to the Comprehensive Plan that the City Council made. He said
that this particular amendment concerns the City Council being able to assert its authority
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at its discretion, to have the final say over the approval of special development projects.
Mayor Klotz said that this amendment has been amended by memo, the language has
been made more specific and that confirmation is on Commissioner Mirling's agenda. He
said that the Planning Board voted 4 to 3 requesting the City Council to reconsider and
rescind the amendment. Mayor Klotz said he does not think that the council will change
its decision, but he feels that the council should be afforded the opportunity to rescind
their amendment if they so choose, or comment if they wish. He said that there are
implementation details to be worked out to the very general principle.
He said he is sympathetic to the argument coming from the community of developers, but
they should know the ground rules when presenting a project. He said that the intention
of this amendment was not to evade the Planning Board and go directly to the City
Council, the intention was to allow the process to play out before the Planning Board,
allowing the City Council to review that decision and be the final authority. He said that
this is where the mechanism for this needs to be specified soon, but he is comfortable
with the amendment. The majority of four on the Planning Board want the City Council
to reconsider and withdraw the amendment. Commissioner Lenz needed clarification on
what the Mayor was asking the City Council to do. Mayor Klotz said the Planning Board
is requesting that the City Council reconsider this amendment. The City Council agreed
that since the amendment has been changed slightly and approved by memo, further
discussion should be deferred to Commissioner Mirling's agenda.
Recreation Department: Amendment to Senior Citizens Allocation (01-206)
Recreation Director Linda Terricola said that the Senior Citizen allocation of $5400,
which was approved at a past City Council meeting, was incorrect. She said that the
amount approved should have been $5600, which matches the amount in the budget for
Senior Citizen Center programs such as arts and crafts. She said it was an inadvertent
mistake and the City Council approval needs to be for $5600. Mayor Kenneth Klotz
moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to correct the previous
approval and approve $5600 instead of the $5400 amount approved 10/02 to fund
the Senior Citizens recreation programs. Ayes all
Recreation Department: Rental of Ballston Area Community Center Gym Space (01-207)
Linda Terricola explained that the Ballston Area Community Center offered the City's
Recreation Commission the opportunity to rent to rent gym time at thirty dollars per hour.
She noted that their normal rental fee is sixty dollars per hour. She said that the City will
bring its portable basketball goals and electronic scoreboard that were originally stored at
the Armory. She said that this gym time would make up for the time that was lost due to
the loss of use of the Armory facility. Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner
Michael Lenz seconded that the City Council approval the proposal to rent the
Ballston Area Community Center gymnasium for use by the City's Recreation
Department for thirty dollars per hour, as presented by Recreation Director Linda
Terricola. Ayes all
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Approval for Maximum Solutions Software – Scheduling Ice Rink/Fields (01-208)
Linda Terricola requested City Council approval to purchase Maximum Solutions
software in the amount of $3,310.95. She said that she and Kevin Kling, the City's
Information Technician Specialist researched various scheduling software and found that
this is the best software for the money. She said it would be a great advantage to the
Recreation Department for scheduling the use of the ice rinks and the various recreation
fields. Linda Terricola said that the money is in the budget for this. Commissioner Lenz
asked if computers are used for scheduling now and Linda Terricola said that initially it
done manually and then it is put on the computer, but this new software will enable them
to put the schedule of facility usage directly onto the computer. Mayor Kenneth Klotz
moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to approve the expenditure
of $3,310.95 to Maximum Solutions for software for the purpose of scheduling the
ice rink and the fields . Ayes all
YMCA Resolution
This item was withdrawn when it was discovered that Commissioner McTygue had not
seen the resolution and did not have time to review it. City Attorney Jeff Wait said that
there is no urgency on this item as long as it is completed by the closing. City Attorney
Wait said he will place it on the agenda for the November 20 City Council meeting.
Set Public Hearing: Temporary Partial Building Restrictions
Mayor Klotz said that this item concerns a recommendation from the Zoning Ordinance
Review Committee to establish some limited restrictions on properties where the existing
zoning is not compatible with the recently adopted Comprehensive Plan. He said that for
the selected areas, the committee is recommending a temporary restriction on utility
building and development permits from now until July 1, 2002, the date by which the
committee anticipates having the land use regulations and zoning ordinance amendments
approved by the City Council.
He said that he is recommending that the City Attorney draft the necessary legislation for
these development restrictions and that the document then be sent to the City and County
Planning Boards for their advisory opinions. He said that the council does not need to
take any action on this but he needs to set a Public Hearing. Mayor Klotz said that there
needs to be a thirty-day notice. He said that a public hearing should be scheduled when
these opinions have been returned. Mayor Klotz scheduled the Public Hearing for
December 18 at 6:30. He said that a copy of that legislation will be made available for
interested individuals to review and, if desired, comment on at the public hearing.
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
Approval of October 16, 2001 City Council Minutes
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Commissioner Bernard Mirling moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded
to approve the minutes of the October 16 City Council meeting. Ayes all
Confirmation of Approval by Memo: Comprehensive Plan Amendment (01-209)
Commissioner Bernard Mirling moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to
confirm the approval by memo of the new wording of amendment #3 to the
Comprehensive Plan which is stated “The City Council should retain authority for
approval of large scale projects within the Special Development Areas.” Mayor
Klotz said that the original amendment just gave the City Council wide range of authority
to assert the council’s prerogative to have final say in any development decision. He said
that the intention was to limit it to major projects within special development areas,
which is the clarifying language, which has been approved by the Council by memo. He
said that the Planning Board objected by a vote of four to three to including this
amendment in the Comprehensive Plan.
Commissioner Michael Lenz asked which amendment to the Comprehensive Plan the
Planning Board objected to, the new or the original. Mayor Klotz said that they were
referring to the original amendment but their objection was to the council being involved
at all, so they would similarly be opposed to this version of the amendment as well.
Commissioner Curley said he did not support the original amendment and therefore will
not be supporting this confirmation. Commissioner Lenz said that although he supported
on the original amendment, he has not signed the memo for this new version of the
amendment and he does not intend to support the amendment.
Commissioner Mirling said that this issue has been thoroughly discussed both during the
development of the comprehensive plan and when it was presented to the public. He said
that another public hearing is not necessary because the same people would come out and
say the same things that have already been said and he thinks the amendment is
appropriate and will be supporting it.
Jeff Pfeil, Chairman of the Comprehensive Plan Committee said that this amendment was
never discussed during the meetings of the Comprehensive Plan Committee. He said
they never got into the City Council having any final jurisdiction. He said that has been
told that what is being proposed is illegal unless it is reverted back to the way it was
before the Dake Committee which is that the major developments were considered as
PUD's, which the City Council had jurisdiction over, or it went before the Planning
Board for a type of a special use permit situation.
He said that there shouldn't be a situation where an applicant goes before the Planning
Board for approval only to have the decision reversed by the City Council. He said either
the Planning Board or the City Council must take jurisdiction, there can't be two entities.
He said that at during the creation of the Comprehensive Plan, the issue of the City
Council having final jurisdiction over projects was never discussed.
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Mayor Klotz says he remembers that at the discussions during the Dake Committee
proposals back in 1998 and 1999, that this was a frequently discussed issue over what is
now called the Special Development areas regarding who would have the final authority
over the decision making process and at that time the decision was made to give the final
say to the Planning Board. Jeff Pfeil agreed saying that this decision was made
concerning the Special Development areas to take it out of the political arena of the City
Council. Jeff Pfeil said that the real choice is to have the Special Development areas go
back to being considered as PUD's instead of special use permit requirements being
imposed.
Commissioner Mirling said that the legal opinion that Jeff Pfeil has received is not in
agreement with the legal opinion he had obtained on this issue. He said that the key issue
is that this amendment is not going to have any impact until the zoning law can be used to
support it. He said that the Zoning Law will define and clarify it and as such it will be
legal and doable.
Mayor Klotz said that the City Council needs to be responsive to the concern that Jeff
Pfeil and the majority of the Planning Board has expressed. He said he is aware that the
argument of legality has been made and that the Zoning Ordinance Review Committee
needs to be attentive to this, and ensure that what they come up with as implementation
language takes that into consideration. He said that in his opinion this does not effect the
language of the Comprehensive Plan. Jeff Pfeil said that this amendment may deter
developers because they would not want to proceed through what is a lengthy and
expensive process, finally receive Planning Board approval only to have the City Council
reverse that decision and deny the project when they were unaware that their project
required council approval.
Commissioner Mirling said that if the Zoning Law language is drafted in the appropriate
manner, potential developers would know which projects are subject to City Council
approval and which are not.
Jeff Pfeil said that the problem is that this would put a lid on Special Development
because developers would not risk going through the process of obtaining Planning Board
approval knowing that the City Council may not approve the project under an entirely
different scenario because of the financial risk.
Mayor Klotz called for a vote on the motion. Ayes 3, Nays 2 (Curley, Lenz)
Approval of Extension of Contract: All American Poly (01-210)
Upon the recommendation of the Department of Public Works, Commissioner Bernard
Mirling moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded for the approval of
the extension of contract 1999-36 with All-American Poly for transfer bags under
the same terms and conditions until December 31, 2001. Ayes all
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Award of Bid: Snowplow (01-211)
Upon the recommendation of the Department of Public Works, Commissioner Bernard
Mirling moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to award bid for the
eight-foot snow plow for the Dodge Ram 2500 gasoline engine pick-up to T&T Sales
of Latham for $3,121.78 each including installation. Ayes all Commissioner Lenz
asked if this is a bid for a number of plows or if it is a confirmation of price. Public
Works Director William McTygue said that technically the bid is for one plow for each
of the three trucks but the price is held open all year so if the department needs to buy
more, the price will stay the same.
Commissioner Bernard Mirling moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue
seconded to award bid for the eight-foot snow plow for the Dodge Ram 2500 diesel
engine pickup truck to T&T Sales of Latham for $3,121.78 each including
installation. Ayes all
Commissioner Bernard Mirling moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue
seconded to award the bid for the nine-foot snowplow for the Ford F450 Super Duty
diesel engine truck to Arrowhead Equipment, Inc. of Queensbury for $4,143 each
including installation. Ayes all
Award of Bid: Equipment for Fire Department’s New Engine (01-212)
Upon the recommendation of the Department of Public Safety, Commissioner Bernard
Mirling moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to award the bid for
assorted equipment for the Fire Department’s new fire engine as follows:
To Garrison Fire Equipment of Palenville, NY in the amount of $2,604.00 Ayes all
To Adirondack Fire Equipment of Schenectady in the amount of $1,642.65 Ayes all
To Emergency Equipment Supply of Albany, NY in the amount of $7,169.95 Ayes all
To Har Rob Fire Equipment of Syracuse in the amount of $1,387.00 Ayes all
To Firefighters Equipment of Schenectady in the amount of $1029.00 Ayes all
To Tyler Fire Equipment of Elmira in the amount of $11,973.85 Ayes all
To VRS Fire Equipment of Clifton Park in the amount of $4,359.20 Ayes all
Mayor Klotz asked if all of these awards were for one fire truck. Commissioner Curley
said that all of these awards were for various pieces of equipment for the new fire engine
that will be delivered around the third week of December.
Approval: Contract Amendment/City Center Floor Repair (01-213)
Upon the recommendation of the City Center Authority, Commissioner Bernard
Mirling moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to approve the change order
request of an additional $4,500 for completion of the previously approved repair of
the City Center Kitchen/Wedge Room Floor.
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FINANCE DEPARTMENT
Appearance Recreation Task Force Committee
This was report was presented after the Public Works agenda and prior to the Department
of Public Safety's agenda for the convenience of the task force chairman.
Approve Payrolls
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded
to approve the payroll for 10/19/01 in the amount of $ 313,086.68, for 10/26/01 in the
amount of $316,672.65, and for 11/02/01 in the amount of $310,171.29. Ayes all
Approve Warrants
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to
approve the following warrants:
1NOV01 – Warrant 2 – 36
General Fund $ 240,831.46
City Center Authority 8,559.19
Water Fund 43,851.92
Sewer Fund 4,674.94
Capital Projects Fund 52,990.67
Special Assessment District 175.00
Trust Fund 17,112.50
Debt Service -0-
Community Development 115,655.27
Total Warrant $ 483,850.95 Ayes all
MC011024 – WARRANT 2 - 7
General Fund $ 696,323.79
City Center Authority 9,969.98
Water Fund 3,027.97
Sewer Fund 947.90
Capital Project -0-
Special Assessment District -0-
Trust Fund -0-
Debt Service -0-
Community Development -0-
Total Warrant $ 710,269.64 Ayes all
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MC011031 – WARRANT 2 - 3
General Fund $ 4,724.50
City Center Authority 16.50
Water Fund 122.66
Sewer Fund 464.85
Capital Project -0-
Special Assessment District -0-
Trust Fund -0-
Debt Service -0-
Community Development -0-
Total Warrant $ 5,328.51
Ayes all
Approve Budget Amendments (see Attached)
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded
to approve the budget amendments as distributed. Ayes all
Approve Budget Transfers (see attached)
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to approve
the budget transfers as distributed. Ayes all
Set Public Hearings and Workshops for 2002 Budget
Commissioner Michael Lenz confirmed the public hearing for the 2002 budget set for
Tuesday November 13 at 7 pm, followed by a budget workshop. He said he also wants to
set a public hearing for Tuesday, November 20 at 6:45 pm., which is a City Council
meeting night. He said he would have the updated budget proposal distributed to the
City Council members by Friday and put on the website so that the public can take a look
at it. Commissioner Lenz commented that Commissioner McTygue is going on vacation
on November 24 and if all goes well, hopefully the City Council will be able to adopt the
2002 budget on November 20. He said that between November 13 and November 20,
more workshops can be scheduled if necessary. He said that if Mayor Klotz desired, a
workshop could be scheduled only to discuss the 2002 Capital Budget. Mayor Klotz said
his preference is to discuss the capital budget on Tuesday November 13. Commissioner
Lenz said that if another workshop is needed, they could schedule one.
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Waive of Bid – Monahan & Loughlin
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling
seconded to approve a waive of bid to Monahan & Loughlin for the purchase and
installation of the slate roof for the Carousel project in the amount of $37,500.
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Commissioner McTygue said that since this is a very specialized project, they were very
fortunate to find someone to perform the work at the end of November. He said the
money is in the capital budget for this. Ayes all
Ratification of Previously Approved Expenditures by Memo
1) Saratoga Sod Farm: (01-214) Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and
Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded to confirm the approval by memo of the
expenditure of $1,684 to Saratoga Sod Farm for topsoil for the Geyser Road
Recreation Field. The money is in the budget for this. Ayes all
2) Bruce Fence Company: (01-215) Commissioner McTygue explained that this item was
on his agenda as a previously approved expenditure, but he only received two approvals
so he requesting a waive of bid. Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor
Kenneth Klotz seconded to approve a waive of bid for Bruce Fence Company in the
amount of $17,040 for fencing around the baseball diamond at the Geyser Road
Recreation Field. He said that Spa Catholic is moving their baseball activities and
baseball facilities to the Geyser Road Recreation field. DPW has laid out the field and
applied the sod, and all that is required now is the fencing. He said that the new baseball
diamond would establish Spa Catholic's program at Geyser field rather than at the West
Side field. He said that Spa Catholic has donated $5,000 towards this project.
Commissioner McTygue said that this is an unusual request at this time of year but things
have progressed so well, he wants to finish the project. He said this is the first
improvement done at Geyser Fields in a long time.
He said that the Recreation Commission has approved this project including the change
from the West Side Field to Geyser Park. He said he is requesting that the shortfall of
$14,040 be taken from the contingency budget so that this project can be completed this
fall, making the fields playable for the beginning of spring 2002. Commissioner
McTygue said the total cost is $17,040. He said that part of the five thousand dollar
donation was used for work that was done on the field, including sod. He said there is a
lot of fencing, including backstops that need to be done, but it is a major improvement
that will last for years and he would like to get the project done before the ground freezes.
Commissioner Mirling asked if this baseball diamond is exclusively for Spa Catholic.
Commissioner McTygue said they would use the baseball diamond. Recreation Director
Linda Terricola said that Babe Ruth will be allowed to use it also. It is the Spa Catholic's
home field. Phonsey Lambert said that other organizations would use it also.
Commissioner Lenz said he has discussed the change from the West Side field to Geyser
with Phonsey Lambert and he feels it is going to be better for them. He said that there are
numerous stories about baseballs being hit into the fields where smaller kids are playing,
so it has been a difficult situation for them. He said that Spa Catholic is excited and
Phonsey stepped up to the plate to raise some money for the new field. He said it is great
to see people going out and generating some funds. He said it is difficult for the City to
keep putting forth money for these things, so it is nice to see the community participating.
He said that although the contingency had been drawn down, the money drawn out for 85
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Beekman Street has been reimbursed so he would like to take the $14,040 out of
contingency to avoid dipping into the City's surplus.
Commissioner McTygue said that this project frees up the baseball diamond at the West
Side field so anyone will be able to schedule and play there. Phonsey Lambert said that
in the future Spa Catholic is planning to add things to the fields such as batting cages. He
said they do annual baseball fundraisers because they like to give back to the fields and
help out with maintenance, building a bullpen, something to contribute for the use of the
fields. He says that this is beneficial to the community because now there are two legal
sized fields, which will take some pressure off of the big diamond at the East Side
Recreation field. Mayor Klotz confirmed that this approval is not a confirmation of a
previously approved item, but it is an original approval. Ayes all
3) Environmation: (01-216) Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor
Kenneth Klotz seconded to confirm the approval by memo of the expenditure to
Environmation Technology Inc. for turbidity monitoring and recording system for
the water treatment plant in the amount of $7,695. Commissioner McTygue said the
money is in the water budget for this. Ayes all
4) Chief Industries: (01-217) Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor
Kenneth Klotz seconded to confirm the approval by memo of the expenditure to
Chief Industries in the amount of $5,553 for structural steel elements for the
Carousel. Commissioner McTygue said that the money is in the capital budget for this.
Ayes all
Elimination of Rec Water Bills
Commissioner McTygue said that it has come to his attention that Utilities has been
billing the Recreation Fields for water use, specifically the Division Street Field, the
South Side Recreation Field, and the East Side Recreation Field. He said that it does not
make sense to be sending out water bills for fields used by the City, so he is looking to
make the adjustments on these bills. He said he thinks a vote is necessary because they
are waiving the bills that were sent for payment to these fields for water use.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling
seconded to approve the waiving of the payment of these water bills. Ayes all.
Commissioner McTygue said that the bills were created initially to keep track of the
water usage on these fields.
Permission for Mayor to sign Interlaken Homeowners Association Agreement (01-218)
Commissioner McTygue said he is requesting City Council approval for the Mayor to
sign an emergency sewer maintenance agreement with Interlaken Homeowners
Association. He said he has passed the agreement around to council members.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling
seconded for approval for the Mayor to sign the emergency sewer maintenance
agreement with Interlaken Homeowners Association, at the rate of $200.00 per call,
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including twenty-four hour emergency call-in service, commencing on January 1,
2002 and continuing for a period of two years. Ayes all
Permission for Mayor to Sign Agreement with Niagara Mohawk/Excelsior Avenue (01-
219)
Commissioner McTygue said he is requesting City Council approval for the Mayor to
sign an agreement with Niagara Mohawk, as part of the construction of temporary roads
in conjunction with the environmental remediation project. Commissioner Thomas
McTygue moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded for City Council
approval for the Mayor to sign the agreement with Niagara Mohawk to grant them
a temporary access to cross City owned right-of-ways located along the south side of
Excelsior Avenue for the consideration of one dollar, to terminate on December 31,
2003. Ayes all. Commissioner McTygue said he passed the agreement around to City
Council members last week.
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
Appearance: Recreation Task Force Committee
Matt Jones, Chairman of the Recreation Task Force gave a report of the findings of the
task force, which included computerized photos of the City's facilities. He thanked the
City Council for the inviting him. He thanked the committee, which included Mike
Ingersol, Alane Ball, Beau Kilmer, Bob Spratt, Rose Zacek, Dave Patterson, John Irving,
Ex Officio and Christine Gillmett-Brown, staff. He said that the task force included
individuals involved with the work of the Open Space Committee, the West Side
Neighborhood Association, the Recreation Commission, the involvement of the
Department of Public Works, a landscaper and designer from the LA Group and the
Saratoga Springs School system.
He said the task force was commissioned on the first of May to do two things, the first
was to gather information regarding the recreational needs and the need for recreational
facilities in this community; to assess what facilities the City has and then to identify
areas within the City that are suitable for recreational purposes and identify possible
locations in those areas for recreational facilities.
Matt Jones said that the committee took an inventory of the Recreation Department's
facilities of which there are seven including the East Side and West Side Recreation
fields which are owned by the Saratoga Springs school district, the South Side field,
Geyser Park, North Side Recreation field, the Gilbert Road field, a brand new area that
the City is currently leasing and the Weibel Avenue PBA field. He said that after taking
inventory, the committee came to five conclusions:
1) Inadequate number of outdoor facilities and fields to meet the needs and demands of
the City residents and City programs.
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2) Inadequate number of indoor facilities - The City is dependent upon its relationships
with outside entities and agencies such as the school district, the Town of Wilton and
Skidmore college for its use of indoor facilities for its basketball, lacrosse and
volleyball programs, and the availability of such facilities is inadequate to meet the
needs and demands of this community.
3) The City's trail system for walking and biking is good but is not linked, so the City
should find ways to expand this trail system consistent with the goals and vision
enacted in the recently approved Comprehensive Plan.
4) Lack of adequate funding for maintenance and capital improvements to the City’s
outdoor facilities has rendered some of the City’s recreation fields substandard. The
fields require specialized seeding, fertilizing, drainage, irrigation, equipment and
maintenance routines beyond the normal services currently provided by the City. He
said that there are not enough fields to effectively rest and rotate the fields. He said
that funds should be used to re-design and re-configure layouts of existing fields for
safety and maximum use.
5) Lack of accountability – He explained that the delivery of recreational services is
complicated by the division of authority over facilities and maintenance. in that the
East and the West side fields are owned by the City School District and leased to the
City with an annually renewable lease agreement between the school district and the
City. The Recreation Commission supervises the City’s recreational programs, but
maintenance of the fields on which the programs are run is the responsibility of the
Department of Public Works. He said that private programs like Little League have
assumed partial responsibility for field maintenance and capital improvements. This
lack of a clear line of responsibility and authority for recreation programs and field
maintenance makes for a cumbersome operation and a number of parents and coaches
have said that it is not clear whom they should see when they have a problem with
recreation or recreation facilities.
Matt Jones said that the Recreation Task Force (RTF) came up with six recommendations
for the City Council:
1) Acquire new fields with Gilbert Road being the first. He said the RTF recommends
that the City secure an “option to purchase” agreement with the owners of the Gilbert
Road facility and make use of the expertise afforded by the Planning Board and its
staff, Office of the City Engineer, and specialists to assess the proposed site plan,
including the layout of drainage on the field, traffic patterns, and parking facilities,
and then exercise the option and acquire the property.
2) Increase the City's financial commitment for Recreation, specifically for land-
acquisition, field construction, and maintenance. The RTF recommends budgeting
$20,000 in 2002 to hire specialists to make recommendations on the existing water
and drainage systems for various fields, to develop rotation standards, and to help
design and re-configure fields for the safest and best utilization of them.
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3) Acquire a piece of land suitable for the construction of an indoor recreational facility
designed to accommodate programs including basketball, volleyball, indoor lacrosse,
indoor field hockey and indoor track.. The Recreation Task Force recommends the
City focus its land acquisition search to available parcels on Weibel Avenue,
Excelsior Avenue, and West Avenue because all three areas have existing
infrastructures sufficient to accommodate the contemplated facility and mass transit
services all three areas which is a key component in site selection. Matt Jones noted
that the Department of Public Works is currently studying the Gilbert road site and
another site in the area.
4) The Recreation Commission should budget for some capital construction at the
various fields including permanent public toilet facilities, sanitary connections to the
concession stand at the East Side Rec field and lighting for various fields and courts
to add to the hours of play at several locations. Immediate priority should be given to
constructing a field house and maintenance/storage facility at the West Side field.
5) The RTF recommends eliminating the annually renewable agreement between the
City and the School District and instead they should enter into a long-term lease
agreement.
6) Place the responsibilities for facility maintenance and programming under a single
management unit.
Mayor Klotz asked if the task force considered the fact that a large number of the
participants in the City’s recreational programs are not City residents; that the programs
seem to be serving the school district, not just City residents. Matt Jones said that some
private programs such as the Little League have boundaries that include Wilton, so it is
all but impossible to limit participation exclusive of neighboring towns and he suggests
trying to get money from the towns for field maintenance and administration costs.
Commissioner McTygue said that from the participation at Weibel Avenue and Gilbert
Road fields, it is obvious that the City is not providing recreational programs just for the
children of Saratoga Springs. He said that the Saratoga Youth Soccer League is open to
other kids with a fee differential between City, School District and non-School District
residents.
Matt Jones summarized that the City should secure an option to purchase Gilbert Road,
evaluate the site in terms of parking, drainage, traffic flow, sewer and essentially do an
environmental impact.
Commissioner Lenz asked if the intent would be to use the Gilbert Road parcel for an
indoor facility. Matt Jones responded that this area is designated for a charette in the
Comprehensive Plan and there is no sanitary sewer and serious traffic limitations.
Commissioner Lenz said it is important to point out that theses issues will continue to be
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pertinent and the City Council should try to prioritize now, through the next sic years
looking toward the future. He said that they might proceed slowly by acquiring the
Gilbert Road field, develop field maintenance programs, and create space by
reconfiguring the layout of the fields.
Beau Kilmer said that if an indoor facility is managed the way the ice rinks are managed
now, the ensuing revenues should offset expenses to break even.
Mayor Klotz said that the five-year capital plan allocates the money but the details need
to be hammered out. Matt Jones commented that the report includes a financial analysis
in the appendix. He said that the City does not spend a lot of money on recreational
programs, and since the demand for these programs is high, there is a need for more
funding and room to grow to meet that demand. Matt Jones thanked Deputy Finance
Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown for her assistance to the task force.
A member of the audience asked about transportation, noting that inner City kids are not
going to be able to get to a facility on Weibel Avenue because most of them have to walk
everywhere. Alane Ball responded that the committee considered this and suggested that
the trails could be used when they are linked. He commented that the trails are dark and
he suggests that the task force consider the safety of walking and biking to this facility.
Phonsey Lambert said that the lack of public transportation is a problem and for example
it is the reason that the number of participants in youth boxing has declined since the
program moved to Weibel Avenue. He urged the City Council to include in their
consideration the issue of public transportation.
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
Capital Budget Change
Commissioner Curley said that this item is in conjunction with Commissioner Mirling's
awards of bid indicating a commitment to purchase equipment for the new fire truck. He
said that there is a line item in this year's capital budget of $25,000 regarding Public
Safety renovation and repair work that he was proposing to do on his offices.
Commissioner Curley explained that he made a decision that equipment for the new fire
truck was more important than paint, carpeting and repairs on the Public Safety Offices.
He said that when it was agreed to purchase the fire truck, the City Council committed to
take any monies that were needed to pay for the truck or purchase equipment from the
City's contingency or surplus fund. He said he felt that if he could divert the money set
aside in the capital fund for office repair work to use to equip the fire truck, it would
reduce the amount that the City Council would have to take out of the contingency fund
or surplus. He said he would propose to re-deploy that twenty-five thousand dollars
originally budgeted for the Public Safety office updates/repairs and use that toward the
purchase of the equipment for the fire truck. Commissioner Thomas Curley moved
and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded to commit the twenty five thousand
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dollars originally set aside in the Capital Budget for repairs and updates to the
Public Safety Offices and instead use that money for the purchase of equipment for
the City's new fire truck. Ayes all
Mayor Klotz asked Commissioner Curley if he had discussed the appropriateness of this
use of capital funds with Deputy Commissioner Gillmett. Commissioner Curley
responded that City Attorney Jeff Wait researched and determined that there has been
precedence that enables this allows this to be done and he and Deputy Commissioner
Gillmett had agreed on this proposal.
Job Title Update (01-220)
Commissioner Curley said he is making a job title change requesting that the position in
the Police Department of Identification Officer be re-titled to that of Identification Clerk.
He said that both the Civil Service Employees Association and the Civil Service
Commission have approved this change. He said this basically a housekeeping issue.
Mayor Klotz asked if this needed approval by the City Council and Commissioner Curley
explained that a change in job title is contractual and therefore needs City Council
approval. Commissioner Thomas Curley moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz
seconded to approve the job title change from Identification Officer to Identification
Clerk. Ayes all
ADJOURNMENT
Seeing no further business at the council table, Mayor Klotz asked for a motion to
adjourn. Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Bernard
Mirling seconded to adjourn the meeting at 8:50 pm.
Respectfully submitted,
Nancy Wagner
Clerk
Adopted:
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