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Saratoga Springs, NY · November 13, 2001

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Budget 2002 Workshop November 13, 2001 CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS BUDGET WORKSHOP MEETING MINUTES THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 2001 Present: Mayor Kenneth Klotz Commissioner of Finance, Michael Lenz Commissioner of Public Works, Thomas McTygue Commissioner of Public Safety, Thomas Curley Commissioner of Accounts, Bernard Mirling Staff Present: City Attorney Jeffrey Wait Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown Deputy Commissioner Robert King Also Present: Supervisor Phil Klein Supervisor Anthony Scirocco PUBLIC HEARING: SALES TAX: Mayor Kenneth Klotz opened the public hearing on the Sales Tax issue at 6:30 pm. He explained that this public hearing has no formal or legal status, but it is being held as a courtesy to Commissioner Curley. He said that this public hearing will be followed by public hearing on the 2002 budget. Commissioner Curley said that he had made a second motion on the night that the City Council voted to withdraw from the County sales tax formula requesting that a public hearing on the sales tax be held to give people an opportunity to comment on the issue. Mayor Klotz asked if anyone wanted to address the City Council on the subject of the sales tax. Lew Benton of 29 Thoroughbred Drive, Saratoga Springs said that he wanted to emphasize several facts. One fact is that the City of Saratoga Springs has the largest taxable economy of the thirty subdivisions in Saratoga County. He said that Clifton Park has the second largest and Wilton has the third largest taxable economy in Saratoga County. He said that as the economy slows, those who depend primarily on retail will suffer, but Saratoga Springs will not suffer as much because their revenue is so diverse. Lew Benton stated that over the last several months, County numbers suggest that the City of Saratoga Springs could lose over $500,000 in revenue but no one in the County has tried to explain or qualify this position or the number. He said that in July the County presented a matrix that suggested that in the calendar year of 2002, the City would have a projected sales tax revenue of 7.193 million dollars, which must be the number that has been carried over to justify the $500,000 projected loss, but it is hard to determine where the numbers are coming from. He said that in the KPMG study, many are saying the study implied that the City is premature in its withdrawal from the formula. He said that the study said the break-even point is in 2001, the money loss starts in 2002. He said that the consultant did not have an opportunity to take into account the formula and netted out the purchase of automobiles. Mayor Klotz commented that Page 1 of 10 Budget 2002 Workshop November 13, 2001 the tax dollar accrues where you register the vehicle, when autos are taxes, three percent goes to Saratoga County, four percent goes to the State, regardless of where you buy the car. Lew Benton explained that the opt-out would not start until June 1, 2002. The City will continue to receive the revenue as it is currently distributed, and the change will be to a lower rate because the 2000 census figures are being used. He said that for the first five months of 2002, the City is in the formula and will not break out until June 1, 2002 when the City will be nearing the peak of its economy. He said that even if there is an economic recession period, the City would weather the storm because of its diverse revenue. Saratoga Springs has over 75% of the hospitality sales of the entire county, so he wants to know who generated the negative projections and how they arrived at those figures. He believes that the City’s sales tax revenue is grossly understated. Mr. Benton said that in summary, he said that Saratoga Springs has the largest single taxable economy in the County, and its sales tax revenue comes from the service sector, retail and hospitality, which together generate nearly 600 million dollars. He said that the City’s economy has grown, and in terms of absolute dollars, no other area in the County has grown as much. Lew Benton pointed out the County can make mistakes, for example the County Treasurer paid over $400,000 more to the Town of Milton than they were entitled to. He implored the City Council to be demanding of its County Supervisors and ask questions. He said that the City Council should ask the County Treasurer what share of assessed value did the County use, what population numbers were used. He said that the assessed value of City property has grown dramatically in the past two years and these figures are not reflected in the County’s projections. He said that subsequently the City would continue to share in the County’s three-million dollar appropriation which is based solely on the City’s shares of assessed valuation. He pointed out that the City is using the consultant’s low-ball number for its revenue projections, and on June 1 the City should be in good shape. He warned the City council to be cautious about embracing the County Treasurer’s numbers. He said that the County’s budget officer is suggesting a ten per cent increase in sales tax revenue next year. Lew Benton said that the 10% is not coming from the nine villages of the County, it is coming from Saratoga Springs. He believes that the City Council has an obligation to know things and it should demand from the County Supervisors that they have the knowledge necessary to implement their decisions that severely impact this community. Mayor Klotz asked (three times) if anyone else wished to speak at this public hearing and seeing that there was no one who wished to address the City Council on the subject of the Sales Tax issue, he closed the public hearing at 6:48pm. PUBLIC HEARING: 2002 CITY BUDGET Mayor Klotz opened the public hearing on the2002 budget at 7 pm. He turned the hearing over to Commissioner Lenz. Commissioner Lenz said that this is the second public budget workshop for the 2002 budget. He opened the floor to the public reminding the council that the public hearing will be followed by a budget workshop. Page 2 of 10 Budget 2002 Workshop November 13, 2001 The first speaker was Denise McDonald, the Executive Director of the Urban Heritage Area Program and Visitors Center. She explained that in her budget, she is asking for several new items including 1) An Urban Heritage Area Specialist which she is looking to fund be eliminating a part time position and decreasing the director’s line item budget by ten thousand dollars, so the overall salary line item would only increase about nine percent. She said that the position would be beneficial to the visitor’s center, expanding programming to children in the community. 2) Air conditioning in the visitors center, but not in the archives. She said that their building now gets so hot in the summer that staff and volunteers have gone home sick because of the heat. She said that this project will cost approximately $26,000 and would not include the conference room or the City Historian’s office. 3) A new xerox machine 4) Brochure printing line increased $7,000 because most of their brochures are due to be reprinted in 2002. 5) Professional services line item increase to $20,825. She explained that $17,000 of this is for the Urban Heritage Area Management Plan because the last Management Plan was put together in 1986. She said that the center is here to promote the City’s historic, cultural and natural resources and they are looking to complement the Preservation Plan and the Comprehensive Plan, and the Preservation Plan committee strongly recommended the development of a new Urban Heritage Management Plan. Through the management plan, if other organizations list their project as part of the Urban Heritage Area Management Plan, they are more apt to get grant funding for their project so the plan would be a big plus for the community. 6) Denise McDonald said that the Shop in the Visitor’s Center generates revenues which are normally turned back to the City but instead, in 2002 the Visitor’s Center would like to keep the revenues and use them to re-invest in the shop to eventually expand it to increase profits. Mayor Klotz mentioned that the Visor’s Center is opened year round and Denise McDonald said that annually the center gets about 35,000 visitors. Denise McDonald mentioned some of the new programs that the Visitor’s Center features including a tour of the Congress Park, a Walking tour of the West Side and a Spring-Tasting tour. Lee Signore representing John Barilla, President of the Principessa Elena and Chairman of the Feast of St. Michael Celebration. She said that the feast will never be what it was years ago but they want to have it again, yet they are in need of funding. She said that insurance rates have increased, and the cost of rides for children has also gone up, so she is requesting one thousand dollars from the City at this time. Mayor Klotz asked if Lee had a copy of a working budget and expense plan for the celebration so the council could see what the specific expenses are and how it fits in with other monies that have been raised. She said she could get a copy of the budget to the Mayor in time for the vote on November 20. He asked if there are other initiatives the committee is doing to seek money and she said there are several avenues being explored. Commissioner Lenz asked if John Barilla would change the date to September instead of August and she said he wants the feast to occur in August to attract the tourists. Commissioner Lenz said that since the feast is a locally historic event, it would not be a problem getting local people to attend after the track season is over. Page 3 of 10 Budget 2002 Workshop November 13, 2001 Linda Bullard, a City Resident representing a committee proposed an idea of a Poet Laureate for the City of Saratoga Springs. She said that the country has a poet laureate, and other cities have poet laureates. She said that this designation is one of the highest awards to a person of letters. She explained that the position is all-inclusive, apolitical, and non-sectarian. She said that the City’s designation of such a title would demonstrate the importance that the City places on the roll of arts and it would enhance the City’s reputation and prestige to communities outside of the City, and bring dignity to the government in the eyes of populace, and the designation would come from the City Council as would the suggested stipend of five thousand dollars. Mayor Klotz asked about the duties of the position and Linda Bullard said that most of the duties would be educational or involve festivities connected with the Library or the Arts Council. Commissioner McTygue suggested that this request be brought before the school system or placed in the Library budget since there are Library taxes. He said that the council is being asked to cut services so there are other places to go to solicit funds like this. Robert Spratt appeared before the City Council representing the Recreation Commission. He said he comes before the council in support of the 2002 Recreation budget as submitted. He said that the Recreation Department underwent an audit by the State Comptroller, which has benefited the Recreation Commission in that they now fully understand that their responsibility is to be in charge of the day to day activities of the Recreation Department. He said that there are some items in the budget that have been cut, some of which will be worked out later, but others that if they are cut it would be detrimental to the department’s program plans. He said there are some programs in the planning process such as disadvantaged youth travel program in conjunction with the YMCA. He said there was money requested for playground safety maintenance needed to improve safety that really should not be cut. He said also in the budget is a request for software, computers, etc. which were recommended by both the auditor and the Escot consultants. He said another issue is the training, which was highlighted in the Escot Report, which identified training needs for management and personnel in the department. He said if the Recreation Department is going to go forward, operate and progress to everyone’s satisfaction, these items need to stay in the budget. He said that the Recreation Commission does not want to give up anything. He stated in reference to the Recreation Task Force presentation at the November 7 City Council meeting, that only 64% of the Recreation budget is supported by tax dollars which is the lowest of any area community. He said that the Recreation budget is supported by relies less on the support of tax dollars than any other recreation program in surrounding communities. Mr. Spratt said less than 4% of the City budget is dedicated to Recreation, which is very low. He said the Recreation Commission has made a list of cuts and distributed them to the council members and they have put together a personnel package to address the recommendations made in the Escot Report and by the State comptroller to make the department function more efficiently. The first item is to increase the hours of the Recreation Director, which is reasonable considering the extent of the duties of the position. He said the Director is asked to oversee a substantial number of programs, participants. He believes that the Recreation Director currently puts in more than thirty-five hours per week now, so an increase is warranted. Page 4 of 10 Budget 2002 Workshop November 13, 2001 The second item is a requested full-time Account Clerk position, which is now part time. He said individuals have to be cross-trained and since part timers come and go, it is more sensible and economical in terms of time spent training to add a full-time position. He said he would like to expand the current part-time Account Clerk to a full time Account Clerk and it would technically save $4,000 because they would not need a person in the summer. Bob Spratt explained that the other two upgrades are raising the Account Clerk to Account Clerk Typist and the Senior Account Clerk to Senior Account Clerk Typist to conform more with the actual job duties of these particular positions. He said that the total increase in personnel matters is about $23,000 and he asks the City Council to consider these matters seriously. He said that the Recreation Commission is starting to do the job requested of them, working closely with the City Council, meeting regularly with the Mayor, and these requests are all in compliance with recommendations made by the Sate Comptroller and in the Escot Report. Mayor Klotz asked if the $23,000 is the minimum of what the Recreation Department would need over the bare bones budget proposed to affect the personnel changes. Commissioner Lenz said that their initial proposal has about $10,000 more in it since they brought the $121,600 in expenditure cuts down to about $110,184 so there is about $10,000 already to work with so there is about $13,000 needed to return. Seeing that no one else wished to speak, Commissioner Lenz closed the public hearing on the 2002 City Budget at 7:30 pm Commissioner Lenz called to order the 2002 budget workshop. He started by reviewing the budget proposal circulated today had total expenditures of $23,921, 162 and they are asking for cuts of $1,188,686 which are cumulative cuts from all five departments which include all City Council Departments as well as the Recreation Department. He said there are varying numbers of cuts. There are specific requests for cuts from specific departments. He said that they have increased the revenue estimates up to $14,630,162. He said they have increased the sales tax estimate up to 7.5 million when they had originally said 7.2 million. He said the figure of 7.5 million dollars is based on some discussions with the County Treasurer. Commissioner Lenz said that historically the City has always used the County Treasurer’s projections when anticipating Sales Tax Revenue. He said that the City is actually projecting about a $94,000 shortfall in Sales Tax revenue this year based on the County Treasurer’s projections. He said there has been some delays in the Sales Tax money getting back to the City since the WTC tragedy on September 11. He said there are some reasons on why this figure was chosen. He said on the first five months of 2002 the City will be in the County formula and that based on the conversations with the County Treasurer, they are estimating about a 7% growth. He said that the figure might be higher since historically the projections have been conservative, so they were comfortable increasing the figure slightly. He said that for the first five months of 2002 the City being in the formula and assuming a 7 to 10% growth which is somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.2 to 2.5 million dollars in sales tax revenue for that period. He said that in June, July and August, the city will be on its own. He said that the figure he is using for an average of County receipts is about 20%, but this fluctuates from quarter to quarter. Assuming that the city does about 22% of the county receipts during the Page 5 of 10 Budget 2002 Workshop November 13, 2001 summer, the revenue will be about 2.3 millions dollars. In September, October and November, the City on its own, the percentage of County receipts dipping to about 18%, so the revenue projection would be about 1.8 million dollars. In December, the projection is about 19 to 19.25% of County receipts for about 532,000 dollars. The Mayor asked where the percentage figures were coming from since they do not match the figures in the KPMG report. Commissioner Lenz said they are from the County Treasurer. Commissioner Lenz explained that the City’s piece of the 3 million-dollar distribution that is based on population and is going to be distributed throughout the County is going to be about 391,547 dollars. He said that brings the City up to a total of between 7.2 and 7.5 million dollars in Sales tax revenue projected for 2002. He explained that he tends to be conservative when projecting this revenue but is comfortable using the 7.5 million-dollar figure. He said that a crucial part of the equation, but the second part is the fund balance utilization. He said he has put into the budget a figure of 1.85 million dollars for fund balance utilization. He said the City currently has 3.7 million dollars in the fund, so that use will bring it down to 1.85 million. He said he is projecting a three to five hundred thousand dollar surplus in 2001 it would bring the overall fund balance to about2.2 to 2.3 million dollars which is within the level of surplus recommended by the State Comptroller. Mayor Klotz clarified that this projection is with the Sales Tax revenue running behind schedule. Commissioner Lenz said that with a 0% property tax increase based on the City’s current assessment rolls the total would be $7,136,000, so the City would still need $305,000 to balance its budget. He said that presuming that that money would come from property tax, that would result in a 4.3% increase in the tax rate which is roughly 23 cents per thousand, so for a one- hundred thousand dollar house the increase would be twenty three dollars per year. He said that this includes Mayor Klotz’s capital information. He said that in the capital proposal there is surplus utilization around $305,000. Commissioner Lenz said in summation the three important pieces as he explained are the sales tax revenue, fund balance utilization, and property tax revenue, which need to be discussed. He said that the cuts have amounted to 1.2 million dollars, but bare bones cuts would total about 1.45 million dollars. He explained that some money has been returned to the lines. He said this is not a bare bones budget. Mayor Klotz asked for comments on the general fund budget. Mayor Klotz said he would like to point out that the figures from the County treasurer of fluctuating percentages conflict with the KPMG study which is a high professional level of expertise, and it has been pointed out that there is no real explanation how these numbers were determined. He said that making the assumptions which there seems to be no basis for causes more reliance on and use of the fund balance. He said it would make more sense to make a more reasonable projection on the sales tax revenue so less of the fund balance would have to be used. He said that then if they get to the point where revenue is needed, then the fund balance is where they can get that revenue. He said, therefore for the purposes of the budget, he is in favor of formally increasing the amount of projected revenue in the sales tax line, which is hard to do because there has been so much discussion. He said that they might want to speculate on the sales tax revenue as if the City was still in the formula, because he feels it is a reasonable conclusion to assume that the amounts will Page 6 of 10 Budget 2002 Workshop November 13, 2001 be close, and that if we were levying our own Sales tax, we would be further ahead. Commissioner Lenz said that the County treasurer said the revenue would be higher if the City had not pulled out of the formula, about 8.1 million. The Mayor acknowledged the fact Commissioner Lenz brought up that when the City is out of the formula, cash flow would be affected since the City is used to receiving the sales tax revenue at regular intervals, so the rhythm will be different. He said there might be cash flow issues while the City adjusts to the new regime. Mayor Klotz said he would like to pursue the health insurance issue to see what kinds of savings may be achievable there. Commissioner Lenz said that with particular situations with some of the employees, savings may not be possible, but this could be discussed in Executive session. He said that undoubtedly it is an area where there might be a fairly good amount of savings, so the council should take a close look at this. He said that the City is looking at a potential $400,000 increase in health insurance costs. Commissioner McTygue said that when the City votes on these contracts, and we give three to four hundred dollars increase in salaries and benefits, along with health insurance increases, there is a three-quarter of a million dollar increase in the budget and the Department’s are being asked to absorb this by cutting back on the very things that are needed to run those departments and perform the services that are expected from them. He said that the budget he presented is very legitimate budget with approximately a seven percent increase, 3% of which was the increase in salary and benefits that the City Council unanimously approved, and this with the increase in utility rates does not leave room for any improvements. He said for example, the City has lost the use of the old Excelsior Avenue rink as a cold storage facility, so there is a considerable amount of the City’s equipment will have to be stored outside. He said that in two years, the City would be able to use the Niagara Mohawk building on Weibel Avenue. He said that to keep up with the basic services that DPW provides to the City, given the new subdivisions and the new streets, the department couldn’t absorb the cuts they are being asked to make, just staying with the basis services despite the increased responsibility. He said there is lot of items that could be done to improve the City, to improve the departments services to the residents, but he said these are not possible given the budget they are being expected to operate with. Commissioner McTygue said he is making a capital register request to continue in Phase three of the Washington Street drainage project. He said that because of the rock conditions in this area, it is expensive to make improvements there. He said it is important that they know there limitations, but it is equally important to be able to maintain a status quo and be able to provide the services they provided last year. Mayor Klotz said he is wincing at his budget because it gives him very little flexibility to do what he intended to do and his budget is only a small portion of the over all general fund budget. He is asking for items on a smaller scale, but he will try to see if he can make more cuts, but it is difficult to do when he is looking at these numbers. Commissioner Curley said that comparing last year’s budget to this year’s budget, he said he he needs to discuss the extra money set aside for contingency for labor contracts which will Page 7 of 10 Budget 2002 Workshop November 13, 2001 probably make a major impact upon his budget. He said there is the $300,000 increase due to putting the gasoline and fuel line in his budget instead of in the DPW budget, and $100,000 increase for positions and raises over last year. He said he might have to cut a vehicle and some equipment, which can’t be placed in the capital budget because they wear out faster than the five year amortization period. He said he will look at these items but it is going to be difficult to maintain the services his department provides when utilities are increasing, vehicles and equipment wear out and become unreliable and unsafe. He said that given these facts in addition to the intrinsic two percent inflationary figure that needs to be taken into consideration, cutting his budget further is a very difficult task. He said he wants to sit down and go line by line with his budget to come of with some recommendations. Mayor Klotz asked if some of the capital budget items might be also included in the general fund budget. Commissioner Curley said this might be true, and he will make sure that the items are in one budget or another and not duplicated in both budgets. Commissioner Curley said that overtime could be lowered if he is allowed a new position. If he can’t get another dispatcher, he may need the overtime. He said the $26,000 per year position would not make a huge difference. He said that guns and radios are being rotated out because some are more than ten years old. Mayor Klotz said that the proposed capital budget is a work in progress. He would like some suggestions in cutting back. For example, the $55,000 budgeted for computers can be removed from the capital budget since it is now built into the general fund budget. Mayor Klotz said that in the capital budget for 2002 are three items: First he wants to bond the multi-purpose recreation facility at a million dollars; second, the Phase 3 Washington Street infrastructure proposal for $350,000 and the match for the DOT work on South Broadway at $172,000. He said he has estimates for the debt service there and the total comes to $155,000. He said that the capital budget for 2002 also includes DPW vehicle replacement program that commissioner McTygue proposed last year with a five year plan with two dump trucks and a sweeper are on for the year 2002. He said there is a small amount of additional money for the Carousel, which includes the slate roof, and some work at the Congress Park reservoir. He said he put in an amount in response to last week’s recreation task force report, which strongly recommended pursuing the option to purchase the Gilbert Road Property. He said that he has included all requests from the Department of Public Safety for various items within the capital budget. He said that the information that Commissioner Curley gave him for both the 2002 capital budget and the five year projected plan was very detailed and a very useful projection and plan for the future. He said that the things asked for 2002 were the highest priority. He said that there is not a system in place to fund what Commissioner Curley wanted to do over the next five years, but rather than try to chop at the 2002 projections which might be possible, the City Council agreed last year to give DPS 250,000 for the highest priority requests, and he has added to that request bringing the total to $295,000. He said that as far as the top priority items, go ahead and do them. He said that this leaves a total of two million dollars. He said that he put it the amount with no growth estimated in the tax base, the City would be getting about $910,000 with the rate as it is in the capital budget. He said there is a number of different smaller revenue sources aimed at the capital budget of about $200,000 in the year 2002. He said Page 8 of 10 Budget 2002 Workshop November 13, 2001 he wants to draw on the capital reserve for the items that involve the purchase and repair of property and to make up the difference, they will need to draw on most of the county surplus redistribution money that they are expecting from the county this year. He said if everything projected is left in the capital budget, there will be an additional need to take $370,000 from the fund balance. He said looking at the five year capital plan, he said there are a lot of large items for which there are no immediate sources of funding for, and the City will have to confront this issue later. He said that there are items which should be anticipated that the City needs to be thinking about and planning for so he said he was inclined to include them to serve as a planning document rather than delete them just because of the revenue problem. Commissioner Lenz said that his only concern is the utilization of the fund balance. He agrees with the utilization of the County surplus money since the basic intention of that money is for capital projects and not for day to day operations. He said he would like to see the two surplus funds kept separate and distinct from each other. Commissioner Lenz said that he is happy to see a million dollars set aside to build a Recreation facility. He said that there is a lot of work to do before it comes to fruition, but he is glad to see the process started. Her said he also glad to see the purchase of Gilbert Road included. Mayor Klotz said that the Recreation Task Force recommended the expenditure of $20,000 for a consultant for the re-configuration, and maintenance recommendations of the recreation fields, but this is not an appropriate expense for the Capital budget. He said that this another item that is critically important that would not be feasible if the Recreation Department is cut to the bare bones. Commissioner Lenz said that it is difficult to know what figures to place in the lines that are typically sales tax revenue. He said that the City has a lot of needs and in trying to pare down to a bare bones budget, it is difficult to place those cuts. He said he wanted to put in the figure of 8.1 million dollars for the sales tax revenue and if they were in the formula, he would have done that. He said he has gone up to the amount he feels comfortable with, 7.5 million dollars, which he knows is presenting some difficulty in regard to the general fund budget. He said they wanted to pare down to a bare bones budget to determine the worst case scenario, and they have tried to come back from that and he knows it is difficult to do this. He said that it difficult to place the contingency money in the budget because it telegraphs how much money the City has which allows the bargaining department to push toward that amount in contract negotiations and the City does not want to do that. He said that this doesn’t change the amount needed to cut and he anticipates more changes. Commissioner McTygue mentioned that there should be parking funds set-aside for increases to downtown parking. He implored Commissioner Lenz to stop the approach of a “bare bones budget” every year and put some real numbers together. He said that they are spinning their wheels and getting no where. He said if the council is going to deal with a recreational facility, lets put up or shut up and build it; if they are going to increase parking, lets do it. He said not to kid the public by saying there is no tax increase but since the budget is bare bones, we are going to do nothing. He said the City Council should face what they want to do in the community and Page 9 of 10 Budget 2002 Workshop November 13, 2001 step up to the plate and vote in the increases necessary to be in the position to provide the services and things that the public has requested. He said it is about time that the council increases the taxes or whatever to enable them to just do what they want to accomplish in order to provide the services they promised to the community. Mayor Klotz said there is a week left in order to try to vote on this budget and come to some kind of agreement at the November 20 City Council meeting. He said there will be another public hearing prior to the November 20 City Council meeting, in anticipation of adopting the budget at that meeting. Mayor Klotz said he is putting Commissioner Lenz on notice that he will be proposing amendments within a week. Deputy Commissioner of Finance, Christine Gillmett-Brown asked that the Commissioners and Mayor submit a list of fees for the various services they charge for to bring the rest of the City in line with what the Recreation Department had to do as a result of the State Comptroller’s report. She said that since it is a requirement for the Recreation Department, it should be required for all the departments to save them from being written up in the future. Mayor Klotz reiterated for clarification that the Department of Finance wants this on file so that it can be presented to the auditors that the information is on file and available upon request. Mayor Klotz asked if the request was about trying to get information to possibly increase the revenues and Deputy Commissioner Brown said that was not her goal but if the information received results in the ability to increase some of the revenues, it would be wonderful. Commissioner Lenz closed the budget workshop at 8:30 pm. Respectfully submitted, Nancy Wagner Clerk Adopted: Page 10 of 10

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