City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · April 2, 2002
Minutes
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
CITY COUNCIL MEETING
CITY COUNCIL ROOM
TUESDAY, APRIL 2, 2002
7:00 P.M
PRESENT: Mayor Kenneth Klotz
Commissioner Thomas Curley, DPS
Commissioner Michael Lenz, Finance
Commissioner Thomas McTygue, DPW
Commissioner Stephen E. Towne, Accounts
STAFF PRESENT: Bruce Brown, Deputy Commissioner, DPW
Christine Gillmett-Brown, Deputy Commissioner Finance
Debbie Harper, Deputy Commissioner Accounts
Bob King, Deputy Commissioner, DPS
William McTygue, Director, Utilities
Jeff Wait, City Attorney
PUBLIC HEARING
2002 Entitlement Action Plan Recommendations
Mayor Kenneth Klotz informed Council members that the total available funding under this
program is $454,000. He said the $454,000 will also be leveraged with approximately $1.6
million in matching funds. He reminded Council members that the Committee made its
recommendations on March 19. He said the draft plan will be available for comment through
April 22 and the Council would vote on the recommendations at their May 7 meeting. After
that date the final plan will be submitted to HUD.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz then opened the public hearing. There being no one wishing to speak,
Mayor Kenneth Klotz closed the public hearing at 6:55 p.m.
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Kenneth Klotz called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
PRIVILEGE OF THE FLOOR
Jenna Ringlehein B water
Jenna Ringlehein, Skidmore environmental student, informed Council members that she is well
aware of how the SEQR process works. She said the procedures that mandate the SEQR
process are quite routine and deliberate.
She explained that the basic concept of the SEQR process is to incorporate the environmental
factors. She said involved agencies must determine if there is a significant impact to those
environmental factors. She explained that if negative impacts are identified a draft
environmental impact statement (DEIS) must be filed. The DEIS must describe items such
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as the area to be affected, description of mitigation measures, reasonable alternatives, etc.
All of those issues would then be discussed during the scoping process.
Jenna Ringlehein said the Council agreed to the scoping document, hired a firm and the study
was performed. She said the City has followed the SEQR process precisely, however, over the
last several weeks there have been discussions and a push to deviate from the SEQR process.
She said the Council should now be comparing the scoping document and the DEIS to
determine if the DEIS complies with the scoping document and then the public comment
period should begin. She said the Council will have six months time to review the document
before a final DEIS is adopted.
Jenna Ringlehein said no one was suggesting that the DEIS does not conform with the
scoping document. She said there are individuals who would prefer to wait until the
information from the county becomes available and to then incorporate that information into
the document. She said it was her opinion that the information from the County should be
added during the public comment period. She said including that information in this DEIS, at
this time, would be a deviation from the scoping document. She said she was quite concerned
about the proposal from Stephen Towne to release the DEIS without accepting it. She said
that proposal goes against the advice of the City=s law firm.
Jenna Ringlehein said accepting the DEIS simply follows the SEQR procedures. She urged the
Council to not deviate from the SEQR process.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue thanked her for her thorough presentation.
MAYOR=S OFFICE
Proclamation B Saratoga Springs High School Science Team (02-086)
Mayor Kenneth Klotz presented members of the Saratoga Springs High School Science Team
with a proclamation and congratulated them on their many successes. He informed Council
members that members of the team would compete in the nationals in Washington, D.C.
Proclamation B Saratoga Blue Knights Squirt Hockey Team (02-087)
Mayor Kenneth Klotz presented members of the Saratoga Blue Knights Squirt Hockey Team
with a proclamation. He informed Council members that they recently won the state title on
their home ice on Weibel Avenue. He congratulated members of the team and their coach on
their successful season.
PRIVILEGE OF THE FLOOR
Peter Tulin - water
Peter Tulin said the water issue is very complicated. He said the Council is trying to do the
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right thing and commended Council members and their deputies for their work on this matter.
Peter Tulin said the issue at hand was whether or not to release the information. He then
compared this issue to the landfill issue of several years ago which was also very complicated.
He said the Council, at that time, made the decision to not comply with the Attorney
General=s recommendation and in the end it cost the City a lot of money in legal fees. Peter
Tulin said the water issue is not a political issue but rather is an issue for all of the residents
of the community. He said we need to find a way for the Council members to come together
and to do the right thing.
Peter Tulin then suggested that Mayor Kenneth Klotz and Commissioner Stephen Towne
combine their items on their respective agendas and deal with both issues at once. He
suggested that the DEIS be accepted but with the condition that a letter be obtained from
DEC on what exactly is DEC=s position on the Council releasing the document without
accepting it. He said it was his opinion that lawsuits could be brought against the City if the
DEIS was not accepted.
Peter Tulin said Saratoga Lake would not be his first choice, however, the City needs to look
at all of its options and more specifically, cost, control, consumption and consequences. He
said the City needs to consider going to the Hudson River or digging additional wells. He said
that cost issues such as who will pay for it, will we sell water, will the neighboring communities
be interested, etc., need to be considered. He said it is important for the City to maintain
control of its water source and consumption. He said there would be consequences to the
people of Saratoga Lake and those consequences need to be reviewed.
Peter Tulin urged Council members to accept the DEIS and to work together.
Kevin Veitch B Co-pay for Health Insurance
Kevin Veitch, President of the CSEA City Hall unit, expressed the union=s concerns over the
Council=s recent action to increase the co-pay for health insurance. He said the union
negotiated in good faith with the Council which lead to a good, binding agreement. He said
the action of the Council to modify the contract was shameful. He further noted that a great
deal of respect and trust that had been gained over the years was diminished by this one
action. He urged the Council to keep the lines of communication open. He said he hoped this
one action of the Council did not set a precedent. Kevin Veitch then said a grievance would
be filed.
Report B Military Museum
There was no one in attendance to make a presentation.
Proclamation -- Dignity for all Students Week (02-088)
Mayor Kenneth Klotz read a proclamation declaring April 7-13 as Dignity for all Students
Week.
Home Rule Legislation B Ice Rink Property
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Mayor Kenneth Klotz withdrew this item from discussion.
Real Estate Committee (02-089)
Jeff Wait said the Real Estate Committee met recently to discuss the sale of paper streets. He
said there is a parcel between Maple Avenue and Covell Street (10'x70') which two neighbors
are interested in purchasing. He said it was the recommendation of the Real Estate
Committee to sell this parcel for $400 ($200/each). Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and
Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to accept the recommendation of the Real Estate
Committee and sell this parcel for a $400. Ayes all.
Jeff Wait said the second parcel came from a request from Spa Steel to allow them to
purchase the paper street which runs through their parcel. He said the Real Estate
Committee is recommending that this parcel be sold to Spa Steel for $4,000 ($10/square
foot). He said the Real Estate Committee has written to Spa Steel explaining that this
recommendation would be made to the Council. Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and
Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to accept the recommendation of the Real Estate
Committee and sell the paper street to Spa Steel in the amount of $4,000. Ayes all.
Tribute to Norman Fox
Mayor Kenneth Klotz reminded Council members that Norman Fox recently retired from the
Planning Board after spending 17 years on that Board. He said a reception was recently held
in his honor. He thanked Norman Fox for his many years of service to the City.
Role of City Attorney
Mayor Kenneth Klotz quoted from the City Charter in connection with the City Attorney=s
role. He said the City Attorney shall act as the legal advisor to the City and to conduct the
City=s legal business. He said he was taken back a few weeks ago when Stephen Towne
sought legal advice outside of the City Attorney. He said he was concerned that it was done
without the courtesy of informing the City Attorney.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said he was also quite concerned that the City Attorney=s request for
copies of invoices for attorney=s being used by other Commissioner=s was denied. He said the
City Attorney should be overseeing those expenses and the action of denying the City
Attorney=s request for those invoices simply subverts the City Charter. He said a memo was
distributed this afternoon by the City Attorney on this matter.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said the City Charter has served the City well for these many years and
this was a direct assault on the charter. He said that he swore to uphold and protect the
charter and he hoped that Commissioner Stephen Towne would cooperate with the City
Attorney=s office.
Confirmation of Approval by Memo B Health Insurance Co-pay Increase (02-090)
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to confirm the
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recent approval by memo to increase the co-pay on health insurance.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said he wanted to make it clear that this action was recommended by
the broker of record and will save the City approximately $300,000 per year. He said in his
judgment this will have minimal impact on employees. He said it was his understanding from
the City=s labor attorney, that because the contract does not specify the dollar amount of the
co-pay, it was within their purview to make this change.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said he would oppose this motion. He said the real issue was
the methodology used in increasing this co-pay. He said he was also not convinced there was
as great of a fiscal savings as has been suggested. Commissioner Thomas Curley said he
believed this increase in co-pay should have been done through negotiations. He further
noted that the union contracts stipulate that changes to the health insurance require a 90
day notification period. Commissioner Thomas Curley said he disagreed with the labor
attorney=s recommendation on this matter and he believed the Council was placing itself in a
difficult position.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said this was a difficult decision but it was in the best interest
of the taxpayers of the community. He said during negotiations there was an agreement by
members of the Council. He said the City=s cost for health care insurance is approximately
$2.5 million each year. He said during the negotiations, the union agreed that new employees
would be asked to pay a portion of their health insurance. Commissioner Thomas McTygue
said the City takes good care of its employees and he believed that the comments made by
Kevin Veitch were a bit harsh. He said he thought this could have been handled differently
by the Union.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said he was not able to be at the recent Council meeting where
this issue was discussed. He said he had some concerns on this issue, and therefore, would
not support the proposal. He said he was concerned with the budget process itself. He said
it was his understanding that the City was informed of the likely increase in health care
premiums in an estimated amount of $400,000. He said it was his further understanding the
Commissioner Michael Lenz distributed a memo at that time looking for support from Council
members to raise the co-pay which was not supported by Council members. Commissioner
Stephen Towne said Mayor Kenneth Klotz then proposed an alternative budget, which was
adopted, which did not include the necessary $400,000 to cover this increase. He said this
seemed to be a pattern with the Mayor. He reminded Council members that his department
would have a bid opening this Thursday on liability insurance and it was likely there would be
a $100,000 deficit in that line item. Commissioner Stephen Towne said he was confused that
the issue of co-pay was being used as a negotiable item with one union but that they simply
changed it in another contract. He said he did call the City=s labor attorney for more
information. He said at this time he was still unsure enough of the issues that he was not
comfortable in supporting the proposed increase.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said he understood the concerns of the union but the City is faced
with a shortfall in this line item. He said he was informed in the fall by the broker of record
that there would be an approximate $400,000 increase in health insurance premiums. He
reminded everyone that health insurance is approximately 10 percent of the city budget. He
said he appointed a health insurance committee and two of their recommendations included:
a) employees pay a share of the premiums, and/or b) increase the co-pay. He said faced with
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the dilemma of this increase, he circulated a memo last year looking for support to raise the
co-pay. He said there was no support from the Council to approve his request to increase the
co-pay. He said it was his belief the co-pay be increased, but he was more comfortable in
doing it this past fall.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said the Mayor was well aware of the proposed increase in the
premiums, however, when the Mayor presented his alternative budget, he did not include the
funds to cover that increase. He pointed out that every month that goes by it costs the City
$25,000 in health insurance premium costs. He said he simply could not vote no, as the
Finance Commissioner, and have this deficit. He pointed out though that this is still not
enough to cover the expected deficit. Commissioner Michael Lenz said he understood the
union=s position and agreed that it would likely be heard in the courts but said the City needs
to increase the co-pay.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said the unions want to work with the City on this issue and he
did not believe the issue was the dollar amount but rather the methodology used by the
Council to increase the co-pay. He said the Council is obligated, as a partner in the contract,
to abide by the contract. He too agreed that it was very likely that this would go to
arbitration. He said the Council was going about this in the wrong manner.
Ayes: three; Nays two (Commissioners Thomas Curley and Stephen Towne).
Vote B Acceptance of Water Source DEIS Report (02-091)
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded the following
resolution:
WHEREAS, the City of Saratoga Springs has proposed to develop a new
water supply source to meet the community=s long-term and emergency water
supply needs,
WHEREAS, this proposal must be evaluated pursuant to the
requirements of the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) (Article
8 of the New York State Environmental Conservation Law) and implementing
regulations (6 NYCRR Part 617),
WHEREAS, on February 21, 2002, the City Council was provided with a
proposed DEIS by the City=s engineering consultants and as lead agency under
SEQRA has reviewed the DEIS and held a workshop to consider the document.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that pursuant to 6 NYCRR
617.9(a)(2) and other provisions of SEQRA, this DEIS shall be released for
public review and a Notice of Completion shall be filed, circulated and published.
AND IT IS FURTHER RESOLVED, that a public hearing on the DEIS be
held by the City Council on June 11, 2002, at 7:00 p.m. at the Music Hall, third
floor, City Hall, Saratoga Springs and that the City Council commits to hold the
record open to receive public comments for a period of six (6) months from the
date of this resolution.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said the approval of this resolution is called for by the engineers, City
Attorney, Chamber of Commerce, Planning Board, local newspapers, etc. He said he
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personally rejects the idea that this document should not be released. He encouraged Council
members to put aside the partisanship issues and accept the document.
Dean Summers, attorney representing the City, said he has had some discussions with DEC
and they have informed him that it is important to proceed with established procedures on
this matter. He said accepting the document and making it available for public review does
not mean that the Council approves of it substantively. He said it simply means they are
following the guidelines.
Dean Summer encouraged the Council to accept the DEIS. He said by not accepting it, it
could open avenues for individuals to challenge the process. He said following the established
procedures, limits those avenues. He said by not accepting it jeopardizes the integrity of the
well established process. He said he was unsure what would happen if the document was
released outside of the established procedures.
Dean Summer said there were two ways to release this document, a) through the SEQR
process of b) through freedom of information law (FOIL). He explained that if the document
was released under FOIL, some portions of the document would be exempt because of the
intra-agency related material. He said if all of the material was included, the intra-agency
privilege of employees would be waived. He said that in itself could be a charter issue. He said
he was not sure if the majority of the Council could waive the rights of another
Commissioner=s employees. He said waiving that privilege would be very disconcerting to
employees because they would never know at what point they were protected by intra-
agency privilege.
Dean Summer said if the Council was interested in including other information after accepting
the document, it could be included under the Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement
(SEIS). He explained that the SEIS would give the Council the ability to limit what was to be
included.
Dean Summer said he was somewhat concerned that if the additional information on drawing
from the Hudson River was included it would vary from the scoping document to enough of
a degree that it could trigger another whole SEQR process. He said if that happens, the
Council could be forced to perhaps look at drawing from the Mohawk River.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz questioned whether the damage had already been done because the
Council approved a memo last week on releasing the information. Dean Summer said that
memo did not involve FOIL, but it did involve the waiver of the deliberative process of
privilege. He said he was not sure if Council members were aware of that waiver.
Dean Summer said he was very concerned that the Council seemed to be jumping off the well
established SEQR procedure track. He said by doing so, placed the document in some sort
of legal limbo and would give individuals who wanted to challenge the document a stronger
legal basis. He said up to this point the City has been very meticulous in following the
procedures.
Dean Summer encouraged the Council to accept the document and open it up for discussion.
He said doing otherwise would be waiving privileges that would surely have legal
consequences for the City.
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Mayor Kenneth Klotz said he was concerned by opening the door to challenges simply on a
procedural issue. Dean Summer said any decision the Council makes could be open to
procedural challenge, however, following the established procedures, limits those challenges.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said he was concerned about Commissioner Stephen E.
Towne=s memo. He questioned if the document was released without accepting it, would it
still be a DEIS. Dean Summer said if the document is released without formal acceptance, he
would suggest the Council simply pretend it was still on track. He said he would need to do
some research on that procedural irregularity. He further noted that if the document was not
accepted by the end of the month, someone would need to write a formal paper on why it
was not accepted. He said someone would need to review both the scoping document and
the DEIS to determine why the DEIS did not meet the needs of the scoping document.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue asked if residents would be able to sue the City for not
following procedures. Dean Summer said that was a discussion for executive session.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said according to the SEQR process there is no prohibition on
releasing the document. Dean Summer said it had to do with the way in which the document
is released. He said the Council could accept it and release it, or not accept it and release it
under FOIL but the privilege for employees would be waived. He said the easiest way to
release the document was by accepting it and releasing it.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said there is a recommended process to follow. Dean Summer
agreed that the SEQR process does not preclude the City from releasing the document, but
if released under FOIL, it would not be released in accordance with SEQR procedures. He said
if we breach those procedures, it would be a legal irregularity.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said common sense dictates that all relevant matters be
reviewed. He said much of this discussion could be avoided if this same motion did not keep
returning to the table. He said he still has the same reservations he had before.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue asked what was not adequate. Commissioner Stephen
Towne said he would like to review the information from Clough Harbor. He said it did not
make sense to accept the document while that study was taking place. Commissioner
Thomas McTygue said that information could be inserted into this document during the public
comment period.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue suggested the Council wait 45 days until the county
document becomes available rather than destroying the integrity of this document.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said that has been an option all the time, but apparently was
not acceptable to some Council members. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said he was
concerned what would happen to the document if released through FOIL. He said he was
also very concerned that all of the work done to date would be lost on a procedural issue. He
said he would rather wait a few weeks rather than destroy the process.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said both Mayor Kenneth Klotz and Commissioner Thomas
McTygue have continually pushed for the adoption of this resolution. He said he would rather
wait until all information is available and he was not ready to accept the document until that
time.
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Commissioner Thomas McTygue said the county information could be inserted during the
public comment period. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said this would be a serious mistake
to release the document without accepting it. Commissioner Thomas McTygue asked if the
Council could keep the document a little longer without accepting it. Dean Summer said yes.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said it was his recollection that a special meeting was held and
there was a motion at that meeting to wait for the additional information. He said he thought
there was a decision by the Council to wait until this information was available. He said at the
meeting with the County there was a consensus that the County would hire Clough Harbor
to review and provide information on the alternative source of the upper Hudson. He said it
was his understanding that was agreement to wait 30 days. He said there was then some
clamor by the public to get the information out through FOIL and now it is again before the
Council to accept and release
Commissioner Stephen Towne said his position on this matter has been clear. He said he
could not understand why other Council members continued to force the issue when they
knew his position. He said it appeared that Mayor Kenneth Klotz and Commissioner Thomas
McTygue simply did not want to accept his position. He said it was amazing to him that all of
a sudden Commissioner Thomas McTygue is now willing to wait. He asked why Commissioner
Thomas McTygue did not offer that solution a month ago.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said the meeting with the County revealed nothing. He said
neither Moreau or Wilton were interested in joining forces to bring water down.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue again said releasing this information would destroy the
process and the document. He said it was time to release this information.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said it was his recollection that the City would wait until the
information was available from the County. Mayor Kenneth Klotz said he had a different
recollection. Commissioner Stephen Towne said Mayor Kenneth Klotz left the meeting early.
Dean Summer said there are two options available that would not jeopardize the process. He
said the Council could accept it and release it or wait until the other information is available.
He said if the priority is to release the document, then the Council should accept it.
Dean Summer said it was his belief though that the study the County was doing was a tunnel
feasibility study. Dean Summer said there is a clamor from the public to release the
information. Mayor Kenneth Klotz said much of that clamor is from individuals from outside
of the City. Dean Summer said his discomfort with delaying the release would be less than if
the City jumped outside of the SEQR process. He said he recommended that Council not
jump outside of that process.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said he understood that the recommendations from the County
would not be as exhaustive as the City=s study, but he too believed the City should wait for
that information.
Dean Summer said including information in the DEIS which was not recommended in the
scoping document could be problematic. Doug Ward, attorney representing the City,
suggested it would be better to wait on the County information and incorporate it during the
SEIS. He said the scoping document was for the City to obtain water on its own and pay its
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own way and by including information from the upper Hudson could broaden the scope just
enough that they may need to start over. Doug Ward said there is nothing that precludes the
City from accepting more information during the public comment period.
Commissioner Thomas Curley asked what would happen if the City did not do enough justice
to the alternatives. Doug Ward said the language in the SEQR specifically contemplates that
there may not be enough information on any given alternative. He said the DEIS is just the
beginning of the process. He said if it came down to getting the information out and/or
sacrificing the process, he would recommend that the process not be sacrificed.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said because the memo had already been circulated he believed the
damage was done. Doug Ward said it was his understanding the memo served as intent only
and not a final action. He said the final action would be taken tonight when the Council
ratified that intent.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said he believed it would be better to wait. He asked if it would
strengthen the City=s position by exploring all options. Doug Ward said not really. He said he
was more concerned with the process. He said if the City jumps out of the process the SEQR
could be more easily challenge. He said the mistake would be to not deal with the County=s
plan if it is submitted during the public comment period. He said the City must deal with the
comments made during the public comment period and if the City fails to do so then it
becomes and issue.
Commissioner Stephen Towne asked whether the City was in a better or worse position by
expanding their options. Doug Ward said the issue was following the well established process.
Jeff Wait said he had received a FOIL request and he is prepared to release a refracted version
of the DEIS. Commissioner Stephen Towne said he was not aware of the privilege issue and
asked who had the authority to waive that privilege. Jeff Wait said it was his belief that the
Council could waive that privilege and it was his obligation to uphold the privilege until
instructed otherwise. Commissioner Stephen Towne pointed out that Jeff Wait made this
determination on his own. Jeff Wait said he did because he was faced with a FOIL request
which has time restrictions and he believed it was his responsibility to assert privilege on
behalf of the Council. He pointed out that if the Council does nothing this evening the
documents will be released under FOIL.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said he would support holding the document until the
information comes from the County.
Commissioner Stephen Towne asked if the Mayor was prepared to withdraw his motion.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said the previously distributed memo was quite damaging and
devastating. He said he was concerned that memo could still be in force. Jeff Wait said the
memo was an indication of intent only. He said unless it is confirmed it becomes null and void.
Commissioner Michael Lenz asked if Commissioner Stephen Towne would be willing to
withdraw his memo.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said he would withdraw his motion if Commissioner Stephen Towne
withdrew his memo.
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Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to withdraw their
previous motion. Ayes all.
Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to withdraw the
previous approval by memo regarding the release of the DEIS document. Ayes all.
Approve Geyser Road Baseball Field Construction
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said last week a memo was circulated concerning additional funds to
complete the baseball field in Geyser Park.
He said a request had been received for an additional $5,000 to complete the project. He said
the City has been working with Spa Catholic on this issue.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to authorize and
additional $5,000 from the contingency fund for this project.
Alphonse Lambert said this funding will be used for dirt and mounding material. Alphonse
Lambert said they received several quotes and the best price for the material is $5,000.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said he would support this motion but wondered why this was
not discussed during budget negotiations. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said because the
information just became available.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said this is a case where there is clear commitment to a project.
Alphonse Lambert asked that the Council consider moving the score board to Geyser Park for
this season.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said he supported the additional funding request but did not
understand why this was not funded. He said he also thought the timing of the request was
bad. He asked if any games would need to be rescheduled. Alphonse Lambert said the
opening game is scheduled for April 15. Commissioner Thomas McTygue pointed out that
there was snow on the ground last week and even if the material was available it could not
have been installed. Commissioner Stephen Towne said his office was contacted in late
February on purchasing this dirt. Alphonse Lambert said that he did talk to DPW several
months ago on the need for this dirt.
Commissioner Thomas Curley called the question.
Ayes all.
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
Approval of February 21 City Council meeting minutes
Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to
approve the February 21 City Council meeting minutes. Ayes all.
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Approval of March 19 City Council meeting minutes
Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to
approve the March 19 City Council meeting minutes. Ayes all.
Approval of March 28 City Council meeting minutes
Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to
approve the March 28 City Council meeting minutes. Ayes all.
Award of Bid B Field Marking Lime
Upon the recommendation of the Department of Public Works, Commissioner Stephen Towne
moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to award the bid for field marking lime
to United Horticultural Supply of Warnerville, NY in the amount of $3.15 per bag (low bidder).
Ayes all.
Award of Bid -- Port-a-John Rentals
Upon the recommendation of the Department of Public Works, Commissioner Stephen Towne
moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to award the bid for Port-a-John
Rentals to Drain Care of Melrose, NY at $15.00 per unit (low bidder). Ayes all.
Commissioners of Deeds
Commissioner Stephen Towne announced the appointment of the following individuals as
Commissioners of Deeds: Ingrid Braun (Office of Levine & Kletter), Barbara Kelleher (realtor),
Timothy Sicko, Glen Barrett, Christopher Ozolins, Paul Vietch, James Reilly, John Arpei, Russ
Terpening, John Shaw, Joseph Arpie, Michael Welch, Dave Levanites, Denis Butler and Gary
Forward (all of the police department)
Purchasing Guidelines Review Committee
Commissioner Stephen Towne announced the formation of a purchasing guidelines review
committee. He said he had been working on reviewing, rewriting and updating the
procurement policy and procedures. He appointed George Gasser (past president of the NYS
Municipal Purchasing Association, Retiring NYS Treasurer, Account and past Deputy
Commissioner of Accounts), Carol Green, (past municipal auditor for the firm of Edwards,
Williams, McManus & Ricardelli specializing in Municipal Government Audit, and current
comptroller for the Town of Wilton); Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown; Deputy
Commissioner of Accounts Deborah Harper and Karen Slayton, Purchasing Department.
Public Assembly Ordinance Review Committee
Commissioner Stephen Towne announced the formation of a committee to review the public
assembly ordinance that effects a number of issues including tent permits as allowed within
the City. He appointed Geoff Bornemann, City Planner; Mike Biffer, Building Inspector;
Deputy Commissioner of Public Safety Bob King; Kevin Veitch, Code Enforcement Officer;
Deputy Commissioner of Accounts Deborah Harper and Sheila Brooks, Accounts Department.
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Mayor Kenneth Klotz said he was glad to see members of his department included on some
of these committees, however, he was concerned about their workload. He asked that before
appointments were made to these committees, they be cleared through his office. Deputy
Commissioner Debbie Harper said these appointments were cleared through Deputy Mayor
Hank Kuczynski.
July 4th Fireworks Event Review Committee
Commissioner Stephen Towne said it was his understanding that a committee is formed at
this time of the year to make arrangements for fireworks traditionally held in Congress Park.
He then appointment Deputy Accounts Commissioner Deborah Harper, Deputy Finance
Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown, Arthur Carnevale, DPW and Deputy Public Safety
Commissioner Bob King.
Insurance Bid Opening
Commissioner Stephen Towne reminded Council members that the bid opening for insurance
coverage would be held on Thursday, April 4 in the City Council room at 10:00 a.m. He invited
Council members to attend.
Voter Education Committee
Commissioner Stephen Towne said he had formed a group of local high school and Skidmore
College students to work with Deputy Commissioner Debbie Harper to develop a voter
education program. He said they will explore a number of different ways to bring voter
information to young voters within the City of Saratoga Springs. He said the following
individuals were members of this committee: Jevan Fox, Jameson Brown, Jacqueline Paulett
and Joe Franco (all from the Senior High School Participation in Government class) and
Andrew Kirshenbaum, President of the Skidmore Student Government and Juan Martinez a
junior at Skidmore.
Secretary to the City Council upgrade (02-092)
Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Commissioner Michael Lenz seconded to upgrade
the position of the Secretary to the City Council from grade 12 to grade 14. He said the CSEA
Unit President Kevin Veitch approved of the upgrade and the Civil Service Commission
approved the job title and job specifications at their March 20 meeting. He said the money
was within his budget. It was agreed a memo would be circulated concerning the effective
date. Ayes all.
Frank Sullivan District Public Hearing
Commissioner Stephen Towne reported that the Council received an amended petition form
the August Group for a zoning map and text amendment with a favorable advisory opinion
from the Planning Board. He requested a public hearing be set for May 7 at 6:45 p.m.
Management of the City WEB Site Information (02-093)
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Commissioner Stephen Towne said more than a week ago he submitted a request to Brad
Birge to place some information on the WEB site which has not been done. He said he then
submitted a request to the Mayor to have this information place on the City=s WEB site.
Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Commissioner Michael Lenz seconded there be a
generic City Hall WEB page with separate links to the departments within City Hall and that
those department WEB pages be managed by the individual Council members.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said that he would respond within the next few days to Commissioner
Stephen Towne=s request. He said he believed the WEB site should be informational only and
should include official City documents.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said perhaps some thought should be given to establishing a policy for
the WEB. He said though this motion as clearly interfering with the office that he runs.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said in the absence of a policy it becomes managed by the
Mayor because Brad Birge is within the Mayor=s Office. He said that was an authority that he
thought no one individual should have. He said he did not believe that Council permission
should be sought to place an item on the WEB.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said careful consideration should be given to this issue. He pointed out
that there are many contentious issues that if placed on the WEB could only deteriorate the
WEB site. Commissioner Stephen Towne said he trusted the judgement of council members.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said he too believed that the sole responsibility for the site should
not rest with one Council member. He said there should be a mechanism available for all
Council members to get information on the WEB without clearing it through another Council
members. Commissioner Stephen Towne said Brad Birge has done a fine job with the WEB
site, but there needs to be some type of criteria.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue suggested that a policy be established before the Council
approves this motion. He too said he was concerned that the WEB site could deteriorate.
Ayes: Commissioners Stephen Towne, Michael Lenz and Thomas Curley; Nays: Mayor Kenneth
Klotz and Commissioner Thomas McTygue. Motion carried.
Ratification of Previous Approval by Memo for Release of DEIS Information
Previously withdrawn.
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
Payrolls
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Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to approve
the following payrolls: March 22, 2002 $318,958.21 and March 29, 2002 $313,470.24. Ayes
all.
Warrants
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Stephen Towne seconded to approve
the following warrants:
1APR02 - Warrant 2-29
General Fund $167,013.96
City Center Authority 23,526.50
Water Fund 23,615.17
Sewer Fund 3,908.33
Capital Project 7,283.81
Special Assessment District -0-
West Avenue SAD -0-
Trust Fund 300.00
Debt Service -0-
Community Development 4,677.12
$230,324.89
MC020327 -- Warrant 2-7
General Fund $1,172,719.11
City Center Authority 9,471.63
Water Fund 1,903.23
Sewer Fund 593,431.88
Capital Project -0-
Special Assessment District -0-
West Avenue SAD -0-
Trust Fund -0-
Debt Service -0-
Community Development -0-
$1,777,525.85
Ayes all.
Budget Transfers
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Stephen Towne seconded to approve
the budget transfers (Attachment A) as presented. Ayes all.
Budget Amendments
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to approve
the budget amendments (Attachment B) as presented. Ayes all.
Sales Tax Report
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Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown said arrangements have been made with the
state to receive funds via wire. She said they have forwarded a listing of City streets to the
County which has been placed on their WEB page and also on the City=s WEB page. She said
we are waiting for the state to send out letters to vendors to identify their exact locations.
City Land Auction
Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown said the land auction will be held on April 27
and she submitted a list of the site to Commissioners for their review. She asked that Council
members review the list and get back to her by the April 16 meeting with any issues they may
have. She said that suggested minimum bid prices have been established, however, they do
not want to release that information. She said the information was available for public
consumption.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said the list included foreclosures as well as parcels identified by
Geoff Bornemann, City Planner. Christine Brown said there are number of attractive parcels
available this year and it was possible that a substantial amount of revenue could be gained.
Commissioner Michael Lenz commended City Hall staff, Mike King, Geoff Bornemann, Christine
Gillmett-Brown; and John Mannix, attorney for their work on this matter.
Christine Gillmett-Brown informed Council members that the Alger Street parcel had been
removed from the list. Commissioner Thomas McTygue asked that the City Attorney stay on
top of this parcel. He said this parcel has been in bad shape for many years and it was time
to take care of it. Jeff Wait, City Attorney, said he was working with Paul Male, City Engineer
on what is possible with this parcel.
Empire Health Choice for Profit Status (02-094)
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to approve the
previous approval by memo concerning the change of status for Empire Health Choice for
Profit Status. Ayes all.
NYS Retirement System Section 41 (j) (02-095)
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to adopt the
resolution (Attachment C) in connection with the Allowance for Unused Sick Leave Subdivision
(j) of Section 41 of the Retirement and Social Security Law.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said this was approved during the contract negotiations, however,
the formal resolution also needs to be adopted.
He said initially there was no cost to the City, however, since the contract was approved a
cost of $6,946 for the year has been established. He explained that this would allow
employees to use a portion of their sick time when retiring as credit toward their benefit.
Ayes all.
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS
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Receipt of Donations
Commissioner Thomas McTygue informed Council members that Bonacio Construction will
donate two dugouts for the baseball fields. He said he would get back to the Council with a
dollar amount.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Michael Lenz seconded to accept
the donations of $808.50 from Saratoga Springs American Legion, Adirondack Post #70 for
the new U.S. Flags that will fly on Broadway and $661.50 from the Broadway Banner and Flag
Company toward the purchase of the new American flags for Broadway. Ayes all.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to
accept the donation for the carousel project of $8,730 from Window Tech Company (located
in the Town of Malta) toward the manufacture of the large glass window panes installed at
the carousel pavilion. The original cost was $11,640, therefore, the City will only be
responsible for a balance of $2,910. Ayes all.
Geyser Crest Well Field
William McTygue, Director, Utilities, said there has been a drop in the water levels in the Geyser
Crest well fields over the last several years in part due to the drought. He said DPW recently
sent a memo to the Planning Board advising them to be more sensitive to the Geyser Crest
well field yields. He said they recommended no new connections, beyond what has already
been approved.
Rick Straut, Barton & Loguidice, and Vince Arpei, electrician, presented information to Council
members on the levels of the wells in Geyser Crest.
Rick Straut said the City purchased the well fields in 1984. He said a study done by Dunn
Geoscience at that time said there was a potential to pump 2.3 million gpd with six wells and
that amount could be increased to between 3.2 and 3.9 million gpd with a seventh well. He
said in 1988 a seventh well was added and permitted for 2 million gallons per day. He said the
total estimated potential was for 4 million gpd. He said when the pump tests were done it
was rated at 1.8 million gpd. He said the last official test for the ratings was done in 1988.
Rick Straut said the ground water table is dropping. He then displayed data showing year by
year the fluctuation levels. He said the height of the water table is now at 1.8 feet and it is not
possible for the levels to go below that amount without sucking air. He said the City is
currently pumping about a quarter of the estimated capacity. He pointed out that 2002
appears to be another drought year and the situation is now at a critical state.
Rick Straut said this data raises a flag for the City. Vince Arpei said one of the contributing
factors is the increased development in the surrounding communities. He pointed out that
we are all drawing from the same aquifer. He further noted that the Geyser Crest fields are
not reliable as an emergency replenishment for the City.
William McTygue said the aquifer can be replenished with rain and perhaps there could be a
turnaround in drought conditions. He said though the City should be more prudent and
adopt a policy to discourage new connections to this system. He further explained that this
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is an isolated water system with respect to the rest of the City.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said earlier in the year we were below the spill levels,
however, because of the recent rain the levels are up slightly. He pointed out though that
many streambeds are very low or even dry. He said DPW continues to monitor the levels.
Rental of Compost Screen
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to
approve the rental for a screen for the compost facility from Lyons Equipment Company of
Little Valley, New York in the amount of $5,000 per month. Ayes all.
Member Item B Funds from the State
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that he had mentioned at the last meeting that he would
like to pursue having the funding for the water tower at the industrial park transferred to an
indoor recreational facility.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to authorize the
Mayor to write a letter on behalf of the Council, requesting that the $1,000,000 funding be
transferred from the water tower project to an indoor recreational facility.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said he regretted the prospect of giving up on the water tower.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said the County was not willing to fund a portion of this
project and it appeared that there would be no more discussions on that matter. He said
there is no immediate need for a water tower, however, we know there is a need for a
recreational facility.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said he recently spoke to Senator Bruno=s office and he was
informed that if the City was not interested in using this funding for the water tower, it was
likely that the funding would simply be taken away. He said there are a number of
communities throughout the state that have water issues and the funds would likely be given
to them. Commissioner Michael Lenz said he spoke with Rick Bird at Senator Bruno=s Office.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue he was informed that there was a good possibility that the
City could still have this money and could move forward with the recreational facility project.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said he was confident that the funding could be maintained.
Commissioner Michael Lenz asked that this matter be cleared up before Council members
voted.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said his department receives many grants from the state and
they are very specific on how the money can be used. He urged caution before making this
request.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said he was involved with Senator Bruno=s office initially and
he was lead to believe that the transfer of these funds could be done.
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Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to withdraw the
motion. Ayes all.
Appointment (02-096)
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to create a new
position entitled Utilities Clerk and to appoint Lynn Zorn to the position of Utilities Clerk at
Grade 11, Step 1 of the salary scheduled effective April 8, 2002. He noted that this will also
be her new step date. He said Civil Service has approved this position. He also informed
Council members that her additional stipend of $1,000 would be deleted. Ayes all.
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
Traffic Light Improvement Project
Commissioner Thomas Curley reported that the traffic signal improvement project is on
schedule. He said preliminary work had been done at several intersections. He said the target
date for completion is October.
Pet Ordinance B Discussion
Commissioner Thomas Curley said there has been some concerns expressed recently with
people cleaning up after their pets. He reminded everyone there is a penalty for not doing so.
He said the ordinance was a City wide ordinance and he would be putting up some signs as
a reminder to residents.
ADJOURNMENT
Commissioner Thomas Curley moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to adjourn the
meeting at 10:50 p.m. Ayes all. There being no further business, Mayor Kenneth Klotz
adjourned the meeting at 10:50 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Kathy Moran
Approved: Clerk
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