City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · October 29, 2002
Minutes
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP
CITY COUNCIL ROOM
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 29, 2002
7:00 P.M
PRESENT: Commissioner Thomas Curley, DPS
Kenneth Klotz, Mayor
Commissioner Michael Lenz, Finance
Commissioner Thomas McTygue, DPW
Commissioner Stephen E. Towne, Accounts
ALSO PRESENT: Anthony Scirocco, Supervisor
Phil Klein, Supervisor
STAFF PRESENT: Bruce Brown, Deputy Commissioner, DPW
Christine Gillmett-Brown, Deputy Commissioner Finance
Bob King, Deputy Commissioner, DPS
Hank Kuczynski, Deputy Mayor
William McTygue, Director, Utilities
James Ruhle, Department of Public Safety
Denise McDonald, UHA Director
Paul Male, City Engineer
Linda Terricola, Recreation Department Director
Bob Spratt, Recreation Commission
2003 Budget Workshop
Commissioner Michael Lenz said it was his intention to go through the budget line by line this evening to
review those revenues and expenditures that have large increases and/or decreases. He said he would then
request an explanation from the Commissioners on those line items. He said that after he had reviewed the
proposed budget with Council members individually, he would submit a budget proposal to Council members.
Mayor=s Office
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said his department had been conservative in their projected revenues and perhaps with
some further discussions with his deputy there could be some modification.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said the largest increases in his budget were for the three new positions. He said the
new charter calls for a Human Resources Director by January 1, 2004. He reminded Council members that
members of the Charter Review Commission had visited him and other Council members encouraging an
accelerated implementation of the Human Resources Director. He pointed out that there are cost savings in
hiring a Human Resources Director through handling labor issues, savings on legal expenses, increase in
productivity and morale, etc. He said it is almost a scandal that the City does not have a Human Resources
Director. He said he had not requested that this position be included in his office, however, the Charter
Commission had placed it there and determined that he should identify a salary, part time support staff and
some renovation of City Hall space to accommodate this position. He said the total dollar amount requested
to fund this position, renovation, supplies, equipment was more than $100,000.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said another position he was seeking funding for was an assistant building inspector. He
reminded Council members that there is a continual backlog during the summer months for building permits
and he has heard from many developers about this delay. He said the delay can sometimes be as long as four
or five weeks.
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Mayor Kenneth Klotz said the third position which he was requesting funding for was an assistant planner. He
distributed a memo from Geoff Bornemann, City Planner, outlining the duties and responsibilities of that
potential new position. He said duties of the Planning Department are numerous between the standing
boards and the ad hoc committees. He noted that there will likely be some parking initiatives that will lead to
committees and additional planning work. He said it is likely that there could also be a parking authority
established which would require participation of the City Planner.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said those were the largest increases to his budget. He pointed out that the Mayor=s
budget is only 6 percent of the total overall budget, therefore, any amount decreased would be rather small.
He said he could probably increase his revenues and some cuts that could be made, however, they were not
large cuts.
Commissioner Michael Lenz reminded everyone that the total overall tax increase at this point is near 57
percent. He said that is a number that he is not comfortable with, therefore, he considered this a starting
point downward.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said he had received a request from the Saratoga Springs Preservation Foundation for a
rather substantial increase in their budget. He said it had been his practice in the past to simply move those
requests forward. He said it did not mean that the Council needed to support the request. He noted though
that the SSPF stated that in previous years funding was at $35,000.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said in some cases it was difficult to accurately reflect the budgetary increases, because
in many cases, the line items have already been squeezed. He said in some cases it was simply time to
adequately fund the line item, however, it then appears as a significant increase. Commissioner Michael Lenz
agreed that there are some rather small increases monetarily, however, they come across as a high
percentage.
Commissioner Michael Lenz noted that there were some increases in the Mayor=s budget for individuals that
were not contractual. He also noted that the increase for the Human Resources Director and ancillary items in
connection with that position were significant. Commissioner Michael Lenz then asked about the proposed
increases in the Engineering Department budget.
Paul Male, City Engineer, said his department has put off over the last several years purchasing of some
software and infrastructure needs for the department. He said he also proposed purchasing a laptop that
would likely be reimbursable from the Department of State. It was agreed that if this item was budgeted as
an expenditure, it should also be budgeted as a revenue. Paul Male said they have also requested some
additional hardware such as a scanner, that could conceivably be put off another year. He said they regularly
add files for the maps and there is a need for cubicle space for existing employees. He said they would
require an additional vehicle if an assistance building inspector was funded. He said perhaps the vehicle
repair line could be reduced, but he urged the Council to maintain the line item for summer help. He said the
summer intern is critical in assisting Scott Palmer in mapping the City=s infrastructure. He said there could be
a savings in the consultant line if an assistant building inspector was hired because they would not need to
hire Jeremiah Healy. Commissioner Michael Lenz asked for clarification on the $80,799 in the assistant
building inspector line. Paul Male said that was for the existing assistant building inspector and an additional
amount included for the new hire.
Commissioner Michael Lenz asked why the increase for the telephone operator was more than 3 percent.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said he was not sure, however, he would check.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz informed Commissioner Michael Lenz that the dues for NYCOM was $5,374.
Commissioner Michael Lenz asked about the increase for the Senior Citizens Center. Mayor Kenneth Klotz said
he had not been approached by the Senior Citizens Center this year for an increase, but assumed they would
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want what they requested last year, therefore, he included the additional amount. He said their core amount
is proposed to go from $36,000 to $46,000 plus an additional $1,000 for office supplies.
Commissioner Michael Lenz asked about the Urban Heritage Program. Mayor Kenneth Klotz said some of the
increase was due to the request for air conditioning. Commissioner Michael Lenz noted that the special
programs line item went from $26,000 to $30,056. Denise McDonald said it was due to a salary increase.
She said last year it was under budgeted so in order to meet the salary needs this year it needs to be
increased by about 15 percent. Commissioner Michael Lenz asked about the receptionist. Denise McDonald
said they currently have a part time clerk at 17 1/2 hours a week. She said they have no other support staff
and they simply need help in the office and education outreach programs. Commissioner Michael Lenz asked
if the part time clerk position funding would be folded into the new receptionist. Denise McDonald said yes.
Commissioner Michael Lenz noted that there are some other misc. line items that have high increases. Denise
McDonald said one of those lines was for landscaping. She said that Mike Ingersoll, The LA Group, is willing
to donate the landscaping design. She said that she has spoken to Senator Bruno=s office and he may be
willing to give something if the City matches the amount.
Commissioner Michael Lenz asked about the Zoning Board of Appeals lines. Mayor Kenneth Klotz said that he
would be willing to look at those lines again.
Finance Department
Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown said they have an increase in the postage line item due to an
increase in the postal rate and a new machine. She said they have also moved some expenses to more
appropriate line items, therefore, the amount shown as an increase was significant, however, there was a
corresponding decrease elsewhere in their budget. She said this will now allow for more consistency in
budgeting and tracking. She noted that the expenses for the auction are all recouped except for the
auctioneer.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz asked if the labor attorney had been included. Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-
Brown said yes. Commissioner Thomas McTygue asked about the 40 percent decrease in revenues. Deputy
Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown said some of the revenue line items were left blank because they
don=t yet know what they will be. She suggested that Council members look at the bottom line for last
year=s property tax and note that it was about $7 million. Commissioner Thomas McTygue noted that the
Mayor=s Department had decreased their revenues. He said it appeared that his department is the only
department that showed an increase in revenues.
Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown said there is a discount offered to taxpayers who pay their
taxes early and that anticipated amount had been budgeted. She said there is an anticipated increase for
Internet access and computer costs from $36,400 to $58,650. She said there will also be an increase for
Munis support. She noted that with the death of Jim Linn, it will now be necessary to hire someone to fix the
utility department computer system.
Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown noted that there would be an increase in the retirement system
payment by at least 6 percent and that would be compounded by the fact the employees will make more. She
said she recently got an e-mail which stated that the increase would likely be even more. She noted that
much of the increase was due to the decrease in the stock market. She said the City will now need to budget
more than $1 million compared to the $100,000 last year. Commissioner Michael Lenz noted that the City has
done quite well in this area over the last several years; however, now that the market has fallen, the cost will
increase. He said it was an item where there was simply no choice. Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-
Brown said it was likely it will take three to four years before the market rebounds. Mayor Kenneth Klotz
noted that often the estimates given to the City have been conservative and he hoped we would fall below the
estimate.
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Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown informed Council members that under the pension programs
there will be two additional individuals and there would also likely be some back pay for a former fire chief.
She said there is an estimated 20 percent increase in health insurance, although some of the HMOs were not
as bad as previously predicted. She said those increases were less than anticipated because the City moved
into a larger pool when establishing the new co-pay. She said they also need to include an amount in the
budget to reimburse the co-pays. She also noted that there had been discussion on finding new health
insurance for those employees who live out of state. She said a new plan could be more expensive, however,
the existing coverage is not adequate. Mayor Kenneth Klotz asked if they had been working with the unions
on this out of state insurance. Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown said she did not recall any
concerns expressed on this issue. Mayor Kenneth Klotz said he thought there was some suspicion expressed.
Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown said there was some concern about paying two deductibles;
however, if they change on January 1, it would only be a small group of people and there would be no
change.
Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown noted that the property tax fund balance had not yet been
budgeted.
Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown said that for about every $80,000 added to the budget it would
increase the tax rate by 1 percent. She said interest and penalty payments are down. She said they are
estimating the sales tax at $8.3 million which was a number given to them by the County Treasurer. She said
they would continue to monitor that number. Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett- Brown said there will
be a minor increase in the hotel occupancy tax if the Council and State adopt this proposed increase. She said
the NYRA admissions tax was budgeted at $252,000 but came in at $332,000. She said OTB continues to go
down but the mortgage tax had increased significantly. She said 2002 was an unusual year for mortgage tax
though with many homeowners refinancing.
Department of Public Works
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said his projected budget has a total overall 6 percent increase, however, 3
percent of that is due to contractual increases for labor contracts. He said he did include some new items in
his budget, but they were requests that he had made over the years that had not been approved. He said he
did budget for a new screen for the Music Hall and other small improvements at a cost of $3,500. He said one
of the other new items included was a fire alarm system for City Hall, which was mandated, at a cost of
$28,750. He said he also proposed $25,000 for new sidewalks on City owned property, $50,000 for
improvements at High Rock Park to make it more pedestrian friendly and $11,000 for a new chiller unit for the
Casino. He said he could probably make the High Rock Park proposal a phased project over two or three
years. He pointed out that at the Casino a decision must be made to turn off the air conditioning and then to
go with heat. He said once that decision had been made, there was no going back to air conditioning. He
said with a new chiller unit, it would allow more flexibility with the conversion from one to the other.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue pointed out that his revenues are up almost 6 percent. He pointed out that
his budget had the lowest increases in the budget and his requests were minimal.
Commissioner Michael Lenz asked about the account clerk typist position and whether it was being replaced or
eliminated. Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown said she believed there was a title change in that
position. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said there were two temporary positions that were combined under
one position. He said there was a title change for Joette Delaney midway through the year but there were no
new employees. Commissioner Michael Lenz asked about the utility rates. He said the City recently switched
utility companies and theoretically there should be a savings. Commissioner Thomas McTygue reminded
Council members that the coldest months had not yet arrived. He said although only $34,476 of the budgeted
$85,000 had been expended he expected the rest would go with the colder months coming. Commissioner
Michael Lenz asked about the 36 percent increase in the phone line item. Commissioner Thomas McTygue
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said they have added more phones. Commissioner Michael Lenz asked about the equipment rental increase
from $25,000 to $100,000. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that was due to rental of milling and rolling
machines for the CHIPS program. Commissioner Michael Lenz asked about the landscaping increase.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said they plan to do some extensive work near the Spirit of Life and the
Chamber of Commerce Visitor Center to make them more pedestrian friendly. Commissioner Michael Lenz
asked about the compost facility increase. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said the expense of upkeep on the
grinding machines is significant. He said they also rented a piece of equipment of Warren County to grind the
large trees and they hoped to rent it again.
Department of Public Safety
Commissioner Thomas Curley said the contractual obligations for his department are the major impact. He
said that accounts for about $400,000. He pointed out that approximately 91 percent of his budget is labor.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said he has budgeted for a new copier at a cost of about $10,000. He said that
Kevin Kling has recommended some significant changes on the police department computer system.
Commissioner Michael Lenz suggested that perhaps the computer estimate was high and it could be reviewed.
Commissioner Michael Lenz asked about the overtime money for the computer work. Commissioner Thomas
Curley said that money would be used to pay Kevin Kling to do the work. Commissioner Thomas Curley said
the overtime line item for the dispatchers was high, but again it was driven by contracts. Commissioner
Michael Lenz noted the increase in the vehicle line from $130,000 to $140,000. He asked if there would be
corresponding revenue/expenditure for the child passenger seat grant of $30,000. Commissioner Thomas
Curley said yes. Commissioner Michael Lenz asked about the lease of the parcel for truck inspections.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said he anticipated an increase in that lease. Commissioner Michael Lenz asked
about the increase in the Juvenile Aide Officer equipment. Commissioner Thomas Curley said it was for a
small copier. Commissioner Michael Lenz asked about the utility traffic line item. Commissioner Thomas
Curley said it was for new lights. He also noted that Niagara Mohawk would now charge additional fees for
traffic lights. He said there was also a proposal to update traffic signage so additional funds were required for
new signage. Commissioner Thomas Curley noted that the Stop DWI program has an increased from $3,000
to $25,000 under the overtime line. He said there is funding from the county in the amount of $36,000 grant
and they will now draw down on that line item as they do with other grants. He said it was simply a different
tracking method. He said it still totals $36,000 but would allow for better tracking and accountability.
Commissioner Michael Lenz asked about the parking enforcement officer part time position. Commissioner
Thomas Curley said they have previously drew that funding from another line item and he simply wanted to
add an appropriate line item to pay for this position. He said this person would cover additional time during
the summer and vacations and holidays. Commissioner Thomas Curley said there are some contractual
increases in the fire department and the Council recently approved four new positions. He said there was an
increase to EMS supplies, house supplies and repairs and maintenance of vehicles. He said the City currently
has two back up fire trucks that are in need of significant repairs.
Commissioner Michael Lenz pointed out that there was a significant change to some revenues. He said they
had to account for the revenue but than wrote it off. Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown said
there was about $512,000 that had to be booked but approximately $250,000 was written off. It was noted
that there would be some other modifications with the NYRA expenditures. Commissioner Thomas Curley said
he would meet with Commissioner Michael Lenz on the revenues of his department. Deputy Commissioner
Christine Gillmett-Brown noted that the were some decreases in the revenues in DPS, however, some of that
was due to the decrease in grants that would be received. Commissioner Thomas Curley agreed saying that
some of the grants they had previously received were now coming to an end.
Accounts
Commissioner Stephen Towne said the Accounts Department has the smallest budget of all. He said some of
the increases in his department were substantial but they were limited to a few items. He noted that the
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increase in the professional service line was due to certioriari cases. He said there were a few cases that
would become quite active next year (Niagara Mohawk, Quadgraphics and Ball Metal) and there could
potentially be high exposure for the City. He said there was an increase in the phone/fax line but that was
due to a mandate from the state for licensing procedures. He noted there was a significant increase in the
senior steno position, however, that was due to an upgrade approved by the Council last year. He said there
was an increase in the custodian pay, however, that was mandated by the Board of Elections to make the pay
equal for both custodians. He said there was an increase in the poll watcher line, however, that was due both
the primary and general elections for next year. Commissioner Stephen Towne said the largest increase was
for liability insurance. He said that went up 109 percent. He said because of the additional premiums for new
vehicles at about $25,000 and the 20 percent increase in rates as suggested by NYMIR the line item would
increase significant. He noted that NYMIR has suggested the 20 percent increase in rates was for the average
customer, however, the City is not an average customer due to our loss history. Commissioner Stephen
Towne said that there were some changes in the medical/casualty/self insurance line due to the change in the
level of deductibles. He pointed out that last year the deductible amount was $2,500 now it is at $25,000.
Commissioner Stephen Town said there was a loss of revenue from the vendors at the track, because those
spots were taken away. There is a decrease in the Bingo revenue line due to the Elks Club moving out of the
city. He said there is a loss in the state grant revaluation line because we no longer meet the threshold of
valuation of parcels. He said we are entitled to a grant from the state based on the relationship of sales value
to assessed value and we have fallen below that level. He said if the City goes through another revaluation,
we would be eligible for that grant money again. He said our rating was at 93, however, we are now in the
high 80s. He said we were notified early this year that we would not be eligible for the funding this year or
next.
Commissioner Michael Lenz thanked both Commissioners Stephen Towne and Thomas Curley for decreasing
their budgets before tonight=s meeting, per his request.
Recreation Department
Bob Spratt, Recreation Commission, said unfortunately, there was a revenue over projection this year, but
they have made most of it up. He said, therefore, they are projecting approximately $806,000 for revenue
next year. He said they expect expenditures to increase by about 22 percent, however, about 50 percent of
that increase was due to maintenance issues. He said some of the key items for next year are $96,000 for
resurfacing the tennis courts, replacing the wading pools on the west side and $6,400 for basketball hoops
and nets. Mayor Kenneth Klotz asked if the $96,000 would come from the capital budget. Bob Spratt said it
could be a capital budget item. Bob Spratt said they also proposed new programs for the summer at $7,800
for girls and boys basketball and Lacrosse. He said there is also a proposal for training for coaches and
referees at a cost of $2,500. He said that training would be minimal, however, it would be quite useful. Bob
Spratt said there was a loss in the Camp Saradac line. He said they propose to increase the hourly rate to
employees from $7/hr to $8/hr in hopes of drawing better counselors. He said there was a mandate from the
state in the amount of $32,000 for additional staffing at Camp Saradac. He said the ratio will be reduced from
7:1 to 5:1. He said they are also proposing additional field trips and bus rentals with a total increase of
$54,000 in that line. Commissioner Michael Lenz asked about the office equipment. He noted that many
departments have been operating on an austerity budget. Bob Spratt said they need items such as monitors,
inventory data base software, a new copier, new desk and phone line. Commissioner Michael Lenz said it
appeared that most of the increases were due to an increase in equipment. He said he would like to meet
with members of the Recreation Commission to review and prioritize these items. Commissioner Thomas
McTygue asked what was the lighting for Weibel Avenue Ice Rink. Linda Terricola said it was an enhancement
to the existing system that would be used for special events. She said it could bring in additional revenue to
the City with additional bookings. Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown pointed out that the
Recreation Department did ask for additional lines to give better definition, tracking and accountability of
expenditures.
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Commissioner Michael Lenz thanked everyone for their presentations. He said it was clear that additional cuts
were necessary and he would need to meet with each department to review and prioritize their needs.
Capital Budget
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said he had been reviewing the capital budget requests and he would forward a copy of
that proposal to Council members. Commissioner Michael Lenz said there was some question as to what
would go under the capital budget rather than in the general budget and he was developing a policy on that
matter and would get it out to Council members next week. He said that policy will clearly identify where
items should be placed.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said it would also be helpful if the Council could have the latest projections on the
Connolly limitations.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business the workshop was adjourned at 9:00 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Kathy Moran
Clerk
Approved:
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