City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · January 6, 2004
Minutes
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
CITY COUNCIL MEETING
CITY COUNCIL ROOM
TUESDAY, JANUARY 6, 2004
7:00 P.M.
PRESENT: Commissioner Thomas Curley, DPS
Commissioner Michael Lenz, Mayor
Commissioner Matthew McCabe, Finance
Commissioner Thomas McTygue, DPW
Commissioner Stephen E. Towne, Accounts
ALSO PRESENT: Anthony Scirocco, Supervisor
Phil Klein, Supervisor
STAFF PRESENT: Patrick Design, Deputy Commissioner, DPW
Erin Dreyer, Deputy Commissioner DPS
Christine Gillmett-Brown, Deputy Commissioner Finance
Debbie Harper, Deputy Commissioner Accounts
Alicia Wardell, Deputy Mayor
Matthew Dorsey, City Attorney
PUBLIC COMMENT
Dr. Janette Bruno, 7 East Cove Road, Town of Stillwater said she was a research scientist for General Electric.
She said as part of her duties she evaluates technical aspects on projects. She said she was here this
evening as a Commissioner from the Saratoga Lake Improvement District (SLIPD). She reminded Council
members that SLIPD was created by NYS law to maintain the viability of Saratoga Lake. She said they are
concerned of the potential negative impacts from using the lake as a resource. She said that she and a
representative from Chazen Companies were here this evening to present comments to the Council on the
DEIS. She said there were three major issues as follows: 1. Loughberry Lake B She said Loughberry Lake
and the other City water sources were sound sources and the City did not need a redundant water source. 2)
Ground Water: She said there is the option of ground water that would cost approximately half of what the cost
is for the Saratoga Lake option. She also noted that ground water was less susceptible to contamination. 3.
She said should the City decide to move ahead with a redundant water supply, the lake was not the better
choice. She said it was highly susceptible to contamination, has a lesser quality, and there were substantial
soci-economic costs to the community.
Barbara Beal, Chazen Companies, 110 Glen Street, Glens Falls, said their firm was retained by SLIPD to
review the DEIS. She said their firm is a 140 person consulting firm whose employees include: hydro
geologists, planners, scientists, etc. She said she holds a masters focusing on water chemistry. She said the
three main points of her presentation were as follows: 1. Redundant water supply: She said the City needs to
focus on future supply demand and its sources. She said when the City stops focusing on redundancy a
whole other host of options open up. She said there has not been a decline in the viability of Loughberry Lake
and a redundant source is not necessary. She said the City=s DEIS for Saratoga Lake does not discuss a
watershed management strategy for the lake. She said that if the City was to take a better look at its leaks in
the water system, there could be enough savings to cover the minimal amount of 200,000. She said that in
2000 the City found 54 leaks which equated to 268,000 gallons that were being wasted. 2. Ground water
sources B Barbara Beal said the most cost effective source is ground water. She said she agreed with the
City=s consultant that it would not be cost effective to develop the Colonie aquifer as a redundant source, but if
it was developed as a source it could cost less than half of the lake option and produce 1.5 mgpd. Barbara
Beal said their conservative estimate is that ten well heads could be construction for the Colonie aquifer at
about $8.2 million.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said this was not the purpose of the public comment period. He said that he
would bring Barton & Loguidice staff to the next meeting to address these comments. He said comments such
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as these should be submitted under the DEIS and then the issues can be incorporated into the DEIS and
addressed.
Dave Bronner said that now the elections are over with, there are consequences. He said there was a clear
mandate from the voters on the Saratoga Lake water source issue. He said it was clear that the voters do not
want Saratoga Lake as the water source. He also said the Council needs to look at residency requirements of
elected officials. He said there needs to be a clear definition of the residency matter on the legal and actual
residence.
Tom Torgensen, 258 Caroline Street, said he was here this evening representing the Navy League on the sea
containers that travel through the City. He said there are more than 6 million sea containers that enter the
United States every year. He said that Canadian Pacific Railroad purchased the D&H Railroad so they could
have a port in the United States. He said there is a huge volume of traffic coming into the rail yard in the City.
He said that Saratoga Springs is being used as a transition point. He said his mission this evening was to
have the Council make a request to state and federal governments for appropriations to allow the purchase of
the General Electric Ion Tracking/Scanner. He said this piece of equipment would be able to scan all sea
containers. He said the Navy League cannot do this by themselves and they need the assistance from the
City. He said that it was the responsibility of each community to take the necessary actions to ensure the
safety of their citizens.
MAYOR=S OFFICE
Proclamation (04-007)
Mayor Michael Lenz read into the record a proclamation honoring former Mayor Kenneth Klotz for his years of
service to the City. Council members wished him well.
Conduct of the Council
Mayor Michael Lenz requested that Council members forward to his office by next Monday any concerns or
suggestions they may have on the manner or structure of Council meetings. He said that he would bring those
items back to the next meeting for further discussion and consensus.
Shelters of Saratoga
Mayor Michael Lenz said he thought it would be a good idea to have the not-for-profits in the City come before
the Council to make a report/presentation on their organization=s activities. He said generally the Council only
hears from not-for-profits during budget season.
Janine Farmer, Executive Director, Shelters of Saratoga, said they have a 14 bed (10 male and 4 women)
facility. She said last year they served 202 people with 75 percent of them being from the City of Saratoga
Springs. She said this upcomng year they have a lot of plans. She said they are in the middle of rehabilitating
a house into four apartments for low income seniors. She said they have received a lot of help from DPW.
She said their goal was to have the work completed by the end of summer. She said they were currently in
the process of administering a $400,000 grant for rehabilitation of owner occupied houses for low income.
She said those individuals are eligible for up to $15,000. She said they have started 25 of those rehabs, have
completed 10 and hope to 18 done by June. She said they also administer the RESTORE program which is
an emergency repair program of $5,000 to low income individuals. She said that SOS is also working on
obtaining grants for affordable housing for income families. She said they recently wrote a SHIP grant to serve
those families. She said they hope to hire three more individuals to serve those low income families because
those families truly are not having their needs met. She said they have a busy year ahead of them.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said he appreciated the packet of information forwarded to him each month
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from Janine Farmer. He asked about the trends and the needs of the community. Janine Farmer said the
needs are generally with affordable housing, mental health related issues, drugs and alcohol. She said the
numbers have not really increased from year to year. She said they have a 75 percent success in
accommodating the housing needs of those who come to them. Commissioner Stephen Towne said this
organization serves a need within the community and they were doing a great job.
Mayor Michael Lenz thanked Janine Farmer for her presentation.
Executive Session
Mayor Michael Lenz requested an executive session on the open space land acquisition issue. Council
members agreed.
Civil Service Secretary Resolution (04-008)
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to adopted the Civil Service
Secretary resolution as presented (Attachment A). Ayes all.
Saratoga Hospital Capital Reserve Account (04-009)
Matthew Dorsey, City Attorney, said because his wife is a partner in The Jones Firm, and that firm represents
the hospital, Tony Izzo, Assistant City Attorney, would handle this matter.
Tony Izzo said this was simply an action that supplements the Council’s approval in October 2003. He said at
that time, the Council authorized the capital reserve fund and the action this evening would actually create the
fund.
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to adopt the resolution
authorizing the creation of a reserve fund to finance necessary traffic improvements in the Church
Street corridor as presented (Attachment B). Ayes all.
Deputy Salaries (04-010)
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to approve the three percent
pay raise, effective January 1, 2004, for the Deputy Commissioners. Ayes all.
Labor Attorney Contract (04-011)
Matthew Dorsey said this contract was the same as before except the length of time had been increased from
one year to two. He said there was also a minor change on the last page whereby the text, “for failure or
refusal of the other to comply with the terms and conditions of this Agreement” is to be deleted under
Termination.
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Stephen Towne seconded to approve the labor attorney
contract with Poklemba, Hobbs & Ulasewicz as presented. Ayes all.
Recreation Department B Change of Hours for Director and Senior Account Clerk (04-012)
Mayor Michael Lenz said the Saratoga Springs Recreation Commission had approved the increase in step
within grade for Recreation Director and the Senior Account Clerk. He said the Director will be advanced from
a grade 15, step 5 to a Grade 15, step 8 and the weekly hours increased from 35 to 38. He said the senior
account clerk will be advanced from a grade 7, step 5 to a grade 7, step 10 and the hours increased from 33 to
35. He noted that the cost associated with the increase in step and hours for these individuals has been offset
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by a $3,000 reduction in the Program Supervisor at the Ice Rinks and a $3,000 reduction in the allocation for
the part time clerk position associated with the department.
Bob Spratt said that with these increases, more responsibilities will be taken on as a result of the reduction in
the program supervisors position as the ice rink.
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Matthew McCabe seconded to approve the increase in
hours and salary as noted above.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said he really had no problem with this motion, however, he would not
support it because of the salary study. He said there had been recommendations in the salary study to
change some employees. He said he had approached the Council on making some changes to his employees
and he was told by the Council that they wanted to deal with this as a whole. He said he had a problem with
piece mealing these increases when $40,000 was spent on a survey and nothing had been done with it. He
said he would oppose this motion for those reasons. He said he would rather wait and deal with this as a
whole.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved to table the motion. No one seconded.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said the City did do a lot of work on that study and it was time to address it. He
said there are a number of individuals affected by the study and it should be used to rectify the shortcomings
throughout City Hall. He said though that this increase in salary was not a market adjustment but rather a
modification of hours. He said that the Council needs to continue to work on the salary survey and make
some positive changes.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said he liked the philosophy that the Recreation Department used in that they
contained their costs and are self reliant when proposing this change.
Mayor Michael Lenz said that the survey would be brought back to the table for discussion.
Ayes: four; Nays: one (Commissioner Thomas McTygue). Motion carried.
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
Approval -- City Council Minutes B December 16, 2003
Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to approve the
December 16, 2003, City Council meeting minutes.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said there was a procedural problem at that meeting in connection with the no
all night parking in the city owned parking lots. Tony Izzo explained that by reading the minutes it appeared
that the Council took action to amend the ordinance when in fact, they should have set a public hearing.
It was agreed the minutes did not need to be changed, but rather a public hearing needed to be set to amend
the ordinance.
Ayes all.
Appointment B Commissioners of Deeds
Commissioner Stephen Towne appointed the following individuals, all from the Police Department as
Commissioners of Deeds with a term of two years: Aaron Benware, Eileen Cotter, Todd Bengston, Sean
Briscoe, Robert Jillson, John Lanzara, Thomas Mitchell, Jr. Andrew Prestigiacomo, John Sesselman, and
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Gregory Veitch.
Award of Bid
Upon the recommendation of the Department of Public Works, Commissioner Stephen Towne moved
and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to award the bid for caterpillar loader tires to GCR
Truck Tire Center tires in the amount of $1,140/each (only bidder). This bid has been reviewed by the
Purchasing Department and meets the City=s purchasing guidelines. Ayes all.
Reassessment Update
Commissioner Stephen Towne said in the spring of 2003 the City contracted with Cole, Layer & Trumble (CLT)
to perform a citywide revaluation of more than 10,000 parcels. He said that CLT is one of the oldest firms in
the country and they are the company who did the last revaluation. He said at this point they are nearing
completion and will be done within the next four to five months.
Dave Miller, CLT, said this revaluation is more like an update. He said they are using the data collected din
1998 and also going door to door as a follow up. He said from May through September 2003 they went out to
all of the neighborhoods and did a drive by of the homes to look for changes. He said after all of the changes
were noted, a data mailer was sent to the property owners which reflected the relevant information. He said
property owners were requested to review the material and then send it back to them. He said after that time
the properties then had a value placed on them which is where they currently are in the process. He said they
are looking at information such as current sales, comparables and the current market to develop the assessed
value. He said the Assessment Office will then review that information for accuracy. He said once that review
had taken place, the final values would be set and notices then sent to property owners with the new value
and the impact of the taxes based on that new value. He said those notices will go out in April & May. He said
the property owners will then be afforded the opportunity to come into their office to discuss the new value. He
said also during this time, there will be public meetings explaining the process, timetable and information on
formal reviews.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said it was his intention to be as open as possible on this process. He said he
was anticipating at least two meetings with the public, one before the end of January. He said the next
meeting with the public would give them the information on the timetable and the formal review process. He
said CLT will then transfer their information to the assessment office and the tentative assessment will be sent
out in early June.
Vital Statistics Transition Plan (04-013)
Commissioner Stephen Towne said that the transfer of the vital statistics operation from DPS to the Accounts
Department was mandated by the new charter. He said he was here this evening to request Council support
for his plan for transition. He said it was his intention to establish a temporary position to fill this function
during the transition process. He said it had not yet been determined whether this workload is full or part time
or whether it could be absorbed into the existing positions. He said he had spoken to the CSEA union and
they are supportive of this proposal and the Civil Service Commission will meet tomorrow evening and discuss
this proposal.
Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to create a
temporary senior clerk position, at an annual salary level of $27,381, for six months, effective January
8. He said the money was within his budget.
He said that concurrent with this proposal, Civil Service will schedule a test for the this position and if it should
become necessary to hire a full time individual, then there would be a list to draw from.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue asked what happened to the existing position in DPS and why did that
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employee not go to the Accounts Department. Commissioner Stephen Towne said the person presently doing
the vital records function has a blended position and it was estimated that about 40 percent of her work was
devoted to vital statistics. He said that person is also a very senior position and beyond what he wanted to
pay someone for this function. Commissioner Thomas McTygue suggested that while the function now falls
under the jurisdiction of the Accounts Department the work could remain in DPS.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said his department just recently took over the entire Engineering
Department and did not ask for more help. He said there was no reason the existing individual could not
continue to do the job. Commissioner Stephen Towne said if the function is in his department, the individual
will be located in his department. He said he had several discussions with Commissioner Thomas Curley on
this matter and Commissioner Thomas Curley wanted to maintain that individual for other duties and
responsibilities.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said the workload continues to decrease in the DPS administrative office
with the loss of the landfill, the building inspector and vital records but the administrative staff remains the
same. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said his staff is the same size while taking on new functions. He said
the budget has been adopted and now there is a request to create new positions. He said it was not fair to the
taxpayers when the City is already paying individuals to do this job.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said he was looking for some flexibility and this was a temporary position. He
said it gives him time to review and to then make a determination on whether there needs to be a full time
individual. He said the money was within his budget.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said he had to figure out how to deal with his situation in taking on the
engineering department and not getting requested positions and said Commissioner Stephen Towne should
do the same.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said he would this motion tabled. Commissioner Stephen Towne said this
was not a permanent position and he did not want the motion tabled.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said his office has not grown over the years. He said the last set of upgrades
were done to accommodate some individuals who had not had upgrades in 12 years. Commissioner Thomas
McTygue said that DPS has added position in both the police and fire departments that cost more than
$200,000. He said his department was forced to make cuts. Commissioner Thomas Curley said his
department has grown proportionately to the services that they provide. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said
his has not. He said he had supported the additional personnel in DPW but the argument this evening was
that there was an individual losing approximately 40 percent of her work and another individual being hired.
Ayes: four; Nays: one (Commissioner Thomas McTygue). Motion carried.
Cost Control Associates recommendations (04-014)
Commissioner Stephen Towne said Cost Control Associates was engaged by the City last year to review the
energy and telecommunication bills. He said under that contract, if the City accepts the recommendations
from Cost Control Associates they would be paid 45 percent over 36 months. He said there is a one time opt
out clause fee if the City desired
Commissioner Stephen Towne said their review focused on two parts, billing errors & adjustments and
recommending new plans for projected savings. He said under the billing errors & adjustments there was
$8,500 in refunds issued. He said under the projected plan changes, they recommended different plans that
would be beneficial to the City with about an $18,000 savings or $1,500 per month. He said if the City accepts
the recommendation, the Cost Control would then invoice the City for $8,000 or 45 percent of that savings.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said that subsequent to their review, it was determined that some of the
savings projected by CCA (rate plan changes, state contracts and an internal consultant) could have been
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achieved by the City on its own. He said because of that, he suggested that the City opt out of the contract for
a one time fee of $6,945.26. He said the one time fee would relieve the City of paying any future cost saving
benefits to CCA.
Therefore, Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Mayor Michael Lenz seconded that the City pay
the one time fee of $6,945.26 to Cost Control Associates to conclude the telecommunications
agreement. The amount will be paid by departments in proportion to their savings per year. He further
noted that the remaining steps to be implemented were to be handled by Jamie Johnson,
telecommunication specialist.
Mayor Michael Lenz said this is an overall positive impact for the City with an estimated $18,000 savings.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said he would like to see a breakdown of the costs to departments.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said the payment to CCA would be from the reductions saved in the previously
approved rate plan changes. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that may be so, but he wanted to see the
material before voting on it.
Commissioner Thomas Curley clarified that there were no changes to the companies for cellular service but
rather just changes in the rate plans. Commissioner Stephen Towne agreed.
It was agreed that Commissioner Stephen Towne would forward the material to Council members for their
review and this would be placed on the next agenda.
Risk Management Monthly Report
Marilyn Rivers said the Safety Committee is working on goals and she hoped to those in the very near future.
She said the fire evacuation committee had been meeting under Chief Cogan’s leadership and a fire
evacuation plan had been crafted. She said it would be discussed and hopefully approved at the January 21
Safety Committee. She said the Safety Committee has also been working on the NYMIR loss prevention
survey at City Hall. She said the fire doors are on order, the electricians are working through a list of
miscellaneous items, the fire alarm system is on track and safety bulletins continue to go out to employees.
Marilyn Rivers said that the MSDS sheets have been distributed to all departments in an identifiable large
green binder. She said both the fire and police departments have master copies. She said under the fleet
safety program the City has entered all drivers into the NYS LENS program, defensive driving will be offered in
the first quarter of 2004 and the seatbelt campaign is under way. Marilyn Rivers said the fixed asset program
is coming to a completion and she thanked everyone for working with her on this program. She said the fixed
asset sheets would be distributed by the end of January. She said they were fairly comprehensive and asked
that departments review them.
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
Payroll B Approval
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved and Commissioner Stephen Towne seconded to approve the
following payrolls: December 19, 2003 -- $362,834.25; December 26, 2003 -- $378,884.44; December 31,
2003 -- $192,391.29 and January 2, 2004 -- $177,947.29. Ayes all.
Warrants -- Approval
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved and Commissioner Stephen Towne seconded to approve the
following warrants:
3DEC03- -- Warrant 2-32
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General Fund $ 107,587.02
City Center Authority 5,821.24
Water Fund 34,045.37
Sewer Fund 6,384.80
Capital Project 12,122.50
Special Assessment District -0-
West Avenue SAD -0-
Trust Fund -0-
Debt Service -0-
Community Development 500.00
$ 166,484.93
MC031231 B Warrant 2 - 7
General Fund $ 12,122.12
City Center Authority 193.51
Water Fund 2,712.00
Sewer Fund 2,368.59
Capital Project -0-
Special Assessment District -0-
West Avenue SAD -0-
Trust Fund -0-
Debt Service -0-
Community Development -0-
$ 17,396.22
MC301231 B Warrant 2 - 3
General Fund $ 582.72
City Center Authority -0-
Water Fund 24.25
Sewer Fund -0-
Capital Project -0-
Special Assessment District -0-
West Avenue SAD -0-
Trust Fund -0-
Debt Service -0-
Community Development -0-
$ 606.97
Ayes all.
Budget Transfers
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to approve the
budget transfers as presented (Attachment C). Ayes all.
Budget Amendments
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to approve the
budget amendments as presented (Attachment D). Ayes all.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said that there had been some question about approving actions via memo
and noted that this was for an item from 2003. He said under the new charter, approvals by memo were no
longer and option.
Other
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Commissioner Matthew McCabe thanked fellow Council members and deputies for getting him acquainted in
City Hall.
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Indoor Recreational Facility
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said he had hoped to make a presentation to the West Side Neighborhood
Association, however, they canceled the meeting due to the weather. He said he has proposed a smaller
neighborhood recreation facility rather than a single large one.
Bob Spratt, Chair of the Recreation Commission, said this is an issue that he had been working on for quite
some time. He said the programs at the recreation department are suffering due to lack of space. She said
scheduling and locations are problems. He said they began looking seriously in May 2001 when they began to
gather information on the proposed size, cost, uses and feasibility. He said the committee appointed by then
Finance Commissioner, Michael Lenz, began looking to identify locations that were suited for a facility. He
said in November 2001 recommendations were made to the Council.
Bob Spratt said the first issue was to acquire land. He said the second issue was to decrease the City=s
dependency on the school, district, armory and the Town of Wilton. He said there was also the issue of the
existing facilities of not being adequate in some circumstances. He said that in recent years, both the armory
and the Town of Wilton facilities are no longer available. He said they have begun to use the Village of
Ballston Spa Community Center, but it causes confusion for scheduled. He said they were thankful to
maintain the use of the school district, Skidmore and Ballston Spa, otherwise their programs would be in
jeopardy.
He said that in April 2002, then Mayor Kenneth Klotz appointed him as the chair of the Multipurpose Facility
Task Force with the charge of developing cost estimates, acquiring a firm for design and construction and the
oversight of construction. He said for the next seven months they work on this issue meeting with various
interested and affected parties. He said he talked the surrounding towns and also solicited the needs of the
community to determine the minimal requirements. He said on November 19, Commissioner Thomas
McTygue approached that committee suggesting that the facility be placed on the west side. Bob Spratt said
that the committee found that idea exciting
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said he had spoken to the school district and also addressed the school
board. He said since that time the suggestions from interested parties had been taken into account and the
firm of S.D. Atelier was asked to develop some conceptual renderings. He said that Peter Loyola, architect
was also utilized. He said the proposed building is about the size of four basketball courts and it would meet
the City=s needs.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that when he suggested this location it was imperative to have the
school agree with the proposal. He said he had met with the West Side Neighborhood Association,
unfortunately it was not fully announced to that neighborhood so there was some concern expressed. He said
there was a second meeting scheduled but that was canceled due to inclement weather. He said there is
another meeting scheduled for next Monday evening at the Knights of Columbus. He said this is an exciting
proposal and there is support for it. He said that many of the neighborhood questions will be answered at the
meeting. He said the issues of the wading pool and parking had been addressed by Peter Loyola in the new
design.
Susan Davis, S.D. Atelier, said the renderings that the Council members were about to look at were in the
conceptual stage and not the final design. She said they were the issues of mass, scale, design and blending
it into the neighborhood. She said this would not be a metal building. She said appropriate material and items
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such as dormers, clerestory lighting, shed extensions and maintaining the street level heigh would be taken
into consideration. Peter Loyola said he looked at the mass of the building and then oriented the greenspace
and parking around that mass. He said the structure would sit back about 50 feet from Beekman Street. He
said they could provide 49 spaces in the proposed parking area and 25 spaces directly adjacent to the
building. He said there were 30 on street parking spaces bringing the total to 100 spaces. He said they also
looked at the wading pool concerns and moved the pool and playground equipment slightly further down on
Division Street. He said they also incorporated outdoor basketball courts.
Commissioner Stephen Towne clarified that there would be 100 parking spaces. Peter Loyola said there
would be 74 on site and approximately 30 on the street. Commissioner Stephen Towne expressed some
concern with balls from baseball games going to close to the playground and wading pool. Peter Loyola said
there is a fence and he did not believe it was an issue. Linda Terricola said they only schedule the younger
children at this location, so the fence would be adequate. Commissioner Stephen Towne said he would like to
see more detail on that matter. Commissioner Stephen Towne asked about the height of the structure. Susan
Davis said it would be about 35 feet and a two story home is at about 30 feet.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said he was also willing to take this project to the Planning Board to get their
recommendations on site plan issues. He said that it was not necessary, but he believed this would make it a
better project. He said this is all preliminary and there is still room for discussion.
Commissioner Stephen Towne asked where the City stood with the School Board. Commissioner Thomas
McTygue said that they were waiting to see the response from the West Side Neighborhood Association.
Church Street Parking Lot RFP
Commissioner Thomas McTygue suggested that an executive session for a workshop on the Church Street
Parking Lot RFP be set for Monday, January 12, 5:30 p.m. Council members agreed.
Parking Lot Restrictions
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said there has been concern expressed by the merchants near the
Algonquin parking lot. He said that DPW has been monitoring the parking in this lot and there are still cars in
the lot every morning. He said he was not requesting that cars be towed every morning, however, at the
minimum they should be ticketed. He said the signs are up and it is enforceable. He said he needed
cooperation from DPS in order to get the lots cleaned. He asked about the parking ticket devices that were
purchased in conjunction with the DBA and whether they were being used. He said it was his understanding
that they were not being used. He said that was a $30,000 investment and asked what was the status.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said those devices are being used. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said in a
meeting that he was in with Asst. Chief Jim Cornick and Deputy Commissioner Erin Dreyer it was stated that
those devices were not working.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said he too has gone into the lots very early in the morning and there appears
to be three habitual users. He said they have put those individuals on notice. He said they are also writing
tickets. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that every morning there are six or seven cars in this lot.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said that on the mornings that he went there were three or four vehicles.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that tickets need to be written. Commissioner Thomas Curley said once
the ordinance is adopted, it will allow the City to tow cars. He said the ordinance needs to be clarified first.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said at a minimum the cars need to be ticketed. Commissioner Thomas
Curley they will continue to ticket.
Tony Izzo said the ordinance needs to be amended first. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that the
existing signs say no all night parking and the new signs are more explicit. He said the no all night parking
needs to be enforced. Commissioner Thomas Curley said his department will cooperate.
It was agreed a public hearing would be set for Tuesday, January 20 at 6:55 p.m.
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Snow plowing only
Commissioner Thomas McTygue announced the acceptance of the following streets for snow plowing only:
Tyler Drive and Cliffside Drive in the Woodlands/Waters Edge Development.
Commissioner Stephen Towne asked for clarification on this matter. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said
there are details that still need to be worked out on these streets before he is willing to give them full
acceptance. However, during the snow plowing season, he does accept streets for this purpose only. He said
once the contractor fulfills the terms on the conditions for acceptance, the streets will be given full acceptance.
Other
Commissioner Thomas McTygue asked that the City=s Supervisors report back to the Council on Catholic
Charities and the reduction in their budget from the County. The supervisors said they would report back to
the Council.
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
Parking Lots
Commissioner Thomas Curley said if the DPW finds cars in the parking lots during the restricted hours, they
should contact the Police Department and someone would be sent over to ticket them.
Donald Ure property B Update
Commissioner Thomas Curley said this has been a lengthy ongoing situation but they are making progress.
He said the court has ordered the parcel to be cleared and they have made significant progress in removing a
large portion of the material. He said they are down to removing the vehicles and trailers. He said the City
has been working with his attorney’s and the Donald Ure is paying all of the expenses in connection with the
removal. He said the material is being removed and placed in storage until April 30 which will allow Donald
Ure time to go through the material. He thanked Tony Izzo, Assistant City Attorney for the assistance in this
matter.
First Night
Commissioner Thomas Curley said that First Night went very well with only three arrests. He said there were
plenty of police on staff with the cost borne by the First Night event committee.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said it was a good night and a great deal of thanks goes out to the volunteers
who make this happen. He said there were some serious incidents in surrounding communities but ours went
well. He commended DPW in their efforts to clean up after the event.
SUPERVISOR
Phil Klein reported that the County is undergoing expansion of the existing jail to increase its size by another
48 cells. He said the work will be done within 60 to 90 days. He also said the airport runway project is
complete at a cost of approximately $1.2 million. He said the County also purchased two parcels at a cost of
$80,000 to extend the safety zone of the runways and that amount is 90 percent reimbursed by the FAA and
NYSDOT. He said the Maplewood Manor recently underwent renovations on their energy program with an
estimated $131,000 savings generated on their energy bills at that facility.
Phil Klein said the County’s recycling plant is doing well and revenues will exceed those of 2002. He said that
metal has been a strong product this year.
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Phil Klein said the County’s water committee will meet within the next seven to ten days and he hoped to make
a presentation on that meeting by the end of January.
Phil Klein said that employment at Maplewood Manor has been an issue over the years. He said they have
adopted a tuition assistance program and have identified candidates for that program.
Phil Klein said that at the request of Commissioner Thomas McTygue he would check into the Catholic
Charities matter.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
Commissioner Thomas Curley moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to go into executive
session at 9:20 p.m. Ayes all. Council members returned at 9:50 p.m. and reported that no action was taken.
ADJOURNMENT
Commissioner Thomas Curley moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to adjourn the meeting
at 9:50 p.m. Ayes all. There being no further business, Mayor Michael Lenz adjourned the meeting at 9:50
p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Kathy Moran
Approved: Clerk
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