City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · April 21, 2009
Minutes
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
CITY COUNCIL MEETING
CITY COUNCIL ROOM
TUESDAY, APRIL 21, 2009
7:00 P.M.
PRESENT: Scott Johnson, Mayor
John Franck, Commissioner of Accounts
Ken Ivins, Commissioner of Finance
Ron Kim, Commissioner of DPS
Anthony Scirocco, Commissioner of DPW
PRESENT: Matthew Veitch, Supervisor
Joanne Yepsen, Supervisor
STAFF PRESENT: Michele Boxley, Deputy Commissioner, Accounts
Eileen Finneran, Deputy Commissioner, DPS
Kate Jarosh, Deputy Commissioner, Finance
Shauna Sutton, Deputy Mayor
Joe Scala, City Attorney
ABSCENT: Patrick Design, Deputy Commissioner, DPW
RECORDING OF PROCEEDING
The proceedings of this meeting were taped for the benefit of the secretary. Because the minutes are not
a verbatim record of the proceedings, the minutes are not a word-for-word transcript.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
US National Health Care Act (HR 676)
Mayor Johnson opened the public comment period at 7:53 p.m.
Selma Harwood of 230 Nelson Avenue stated she is a member of the Saratoga County Single Payor
Health Care Advocacy Group and is speaking in favor of the US National Health Care Act. The US health
care system is in deep trouble. There are 50 million Americans are without health insurance, 8 million of
those are children. Even with insurance, many are not able to cover the expense brought on by a single
serious illness. Those without prescription plans find themselves with having to choose between filling
prescriptions or buying groceries. Fortunately Congressman John Coyners introduced HR 676. HR676
will create a publicly financed yet privately delivered health care system ensuring access to all Americans
to high quality cost effective health care regardless of employment, income or health status. It will also
eliminate co-pays and deductibles; it would replace private insurance premiums, minimize interference in
medical decisions, streamline bureaucratic processes, and mandate reasonable prescription costs. HR
676 is the first step towards universal health care without exclusions or penalties.
George Jolly, MD and has a practice at 1 West Avenue. He is here to declare support of HR 676. He
has worked in the ER, the office practice of internal medicine and geriatrics; he was the medical director of
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2 nursing homes in town. Things that have changed over the years are: the ER is using a huge amount of
expensive technologies, the cost of gong to a doctor’s office has risen, and prescriptions can cost
hundreds of dollars monthly. The percentage of people who receive insurance through employment has
dropped to 52%. The average cost for health insurance for a family of 4 is $13,000; 48 million are
uninsured and 50 million are underinsured and won’t protect them from financial ruin if they are confronted
with a major illness or injury. We can do this differently. Nationally 59% of doctors believe in national
health care. Multiple studies prove that expanding and improving Medicare would produce savings that
will cover all the uninsured, pay for all the necessary services and reduce the cost of medical care for 95%
of the population. He asked the Council to pass along the mandate for real health care reform that can
make a difference for the people of Saratoga Springs; a national single payor universal health insurance
HR676.
Al Ormsby of 40 Glennon Road stated there are 2 types of health care system; one that exists in the
civilized world except here and the other is our system, which fails to protect the people who are least
able to protect themselves. The uninsured stands at 48 million, bankruptcies from medical bills total 55%
of all bankruptcies, 75% of filers have health insurance. Unlike private polices, public programs ensure
you against becoming destitute when major illness strikes. The for-profit system has turned everything up
side down. The more debilitated you become, the less likely it is you will remain insured. The neediest,
those with pre-existing conditions are excluded completely.
Tom Barkley, PHD of 19 Nelson Avenue stated he sees many people in the community and deals with
over 70 different insurance plans. The burden of this system is unbelievable and prohibits providers from
helping people. As a provider, he would be happy to have a single payor and a single set of rules to
follow. Why is there any question about such care and why should they have to fight to get the care they
need? We need change now. Please support a resolution for HR676.
Rabbi Linda Moskin of 509 Broadway stated as a clergy person she gets calls from those who can’t buy
groceries and pay for his prescription medicine. She receives calls from retirees who contact the area
clergy to raise money for a root canal. She listens to a mother who faces the loss of her health insurance
because she is caring for her ill child. Every other western democracy provides health coverage for its
citizens. The people she described are all city residents; they are not lazy and are well deserving. She
urged the City Council to support the resolution for HR 676.
Jane Weihe of 44 White Street came to speak in favor of HR676. The current health care system is a
huge burden to the City of Saratoga Springs for multiple reasons: it is a major portion of the budget and is
costly, it is an administrative burden, and it plays a huge part in bargaining between employer and
employee. Please support the resolution.
Cliff Amon of 238 Nelson Avenue stated he has been a strong supporter of universal health care for 50
years. This is a technical question rather than an ideological issue. If socialization is bad, should we not
consider surrendering, not only social security, Medicare and Medicaid, but also, police and fire protection,
public schools, water/sewer treatment, and also public roads?
Patricia Reed of 12 Clubhouse Drive stated she is also a nurse practitioner. She is speaking in support of
HR676. It is a publicly financed and privately delivered health care system. This will reduce health care
costs for all of us. US business is increasingly non competitive because of health care expenses. The
health care costs we experience are not sustainable by any of us. Tax payers can no longer bear the
burden. The HR676 enables all money to be spent on health care. She requests the City Council to
endorse the resolution for single payor and send a copy to Senators Schumer and Gillibrand,
Representative Tonko, the 20th District Representative when named and Governor Paterson.
Wilma Koss of 160 Kaydeross Park Road stated she is here is to ask the City Council to refrain from
taking a position on any federal matter over which is has not authority according to our City Charter. Any
resolution against the bill will have no influence on its passage; it is meaningless to pass a resolution in
support of it. HR676 promotes a very bad program of health care. This form of health care will take
decisions of your care out of the hands of you and your doctor and put them in the hands of quality
assurance boards that have budget targets to meet and are made up of health care professionals, union
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representatives and advocacy groups. This is a feel good plan. The long term results can be seen in the
disastrous economic outcomes of similar programs in Canada and England that leads to rationing of
health care and prescription medications and places an expiration date on the lives of our senior citizens.
This is not the health care we should be resolving to support. She asked the Council to refrain from
making any positive resolution this evening.
John Kaufman of 44 White Street stated the fact is people will be making decisions and those decisions
are currently being made by managed care people. The illusion that our medical industry is going to be
completely driven by the doctor and the patient in the current context is an illusion. What is the most cost
efficient way to deliver health care? Having a million plans, requiring unbelievable administration, is
utterly irrational that it is shocking that is still going on. He encouraged the Council to support resolution.
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Johnson called the meeting to order at 7:15 p.m.
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
Mayor Johnson said the public comment period is limited to a total of 15 minutes and individuals are
limited to two minutes each according to the rules approved in February of 2004 by the City Council.
Peter Tulin of 40 Sarazen Street stated he was impressed by the level of public discourse with regard to
the public hearing topic. It is appropriate for the City Council to take positions of national issues. There is
something the Council has a direct impact on – the city budgeting process. There are rumors that the City
budget is going to be amended. There are rumors that the Council is going to use the economic policy of
if you can borrow more than you spend, you can spend more than you can have. He feels the Council is
doing an excellent job given the economic circumstances. He suggested that this council get together
and think about where this City sees itself 6, 8, 10 years from now. The council must learn to do more
with less.
Richard Wirth of 17 Sandspring Drive stated in March 2009, Commissioner Kim stated he could not ignore
the law regarding coin drops. These coin drops raised a lot of money for youth activities. How does he
feel he can ignore the law in regards the use of marijuana at Skidmore College. It is a slap in the face for
all the people that he has respect for in the police department; for every effort put forth by the
department’s D.A.R.E. officers who have gone above and beyond to educate our youths. The message is
clear to the kids to go ahead and smoke dope but to stay away from the coin drops and little league fields.
The unofficial national holiday to be devoted to marijuana consumption is appalling. He believed the city
police department, Commissioner Kim, and the campus police had prior knowledge of this event.
Commissioner Kim stated this is political season.
Mr. Wirth stated he is not doing this politically, he loves our City. He applauds the students who choose
not to participate.
Reverend Eleanor Stanton, Associate Pastor at the Presbyterian New England Congregational Church of
24 Circular St. stated as the member of the clergy, she sees lives wrecked by drug and alcohol use. She
works with the youths of our community to help them find other ways to help make them resilient against
the siren call and the message that ‘everybody does it”. She is in disbelief at the scofflaws running
Skidmore College; the director of campus security and the college administration. She is bringing this to
council’s attention because Skidmore is a cornerstone institution of our community. What they wink at
and turn a blind eye to speaks for what our community winks at and turns a blind eye to. This has been
said to have been going on for 10 years and has been allowed. That sends the message that it is ok, it
isn’t harmful, there are no consequences. Skidmore College has a policy against marijuana use and does
not enforce it. The attitude towards the law is aided by campus security and our city police department. It
was distressing to read quotes by Lt. Veitch saying it is difficult/impossible for a full dressed officer to
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cross a field and arrest someone who is smoking pot. The police’s bicycle force can move quickly across
a field. This is about a campus that does nothing to disperse 100 students toking up in a green space. It
is hard enough for parents to send a no use message to our kids to say it is not true that everyone does it
when a cornerstone institution in our community and our police department allows it to happen. Stop
winking at underage drinking and drug use. Stop thinking this is the best our kids can do.
Chief Ed Moore emphatically stated the police department did not condone this behavior. Historically this
event has been celebrated across the country but historically here in Saratoga this has been a non event.
Our police have never been called to campus and our police have never seen the type of activity shown in
this morning’s paper. The police department takes drug abuse very seriously; less than a year ago they
made a major sweep at Skidmore College for cocaine and heroin dealers. They are members of the
partnership for prevention; they are members of a lot of other community organizations to fight this.
Commissioner Kim had nothing to do with this. The police department was advised about this by campus
safety as they are every year. This has been a non issue in past years. The article lead the readers to
believe, the police department knew in advance that there was going to be an open display of violation of
law; thumbing their nose at them when that hasn’t been the past history. Last night they had 4 police units
and 1 supervisor unit to patrol the streets. Every investigator in the City was tied up on a very serious
investigation and could not respond to go to Skidmore and do an undercover operation. Also, the officers
range in age from early 30’s and up. They wouldn’t have the success level the young reporter did in
getting up close to the individuals. To get an undercover in there, they would have to call NYS Police
Community Narcotics Enforcement Team or the DEA. They won’t come to our community to apprehend
college students smoking pot; especially when the police department can’t identify to them that this has
been a major problem in the past. The police department did not and will not choose to ignore crimes that
are taking place. That is his responsibility, not Commissioner Kim’s; although he reports to Commissioner
Kim, Commissioner Kim manages the administrator part of the department. They have learned from this
and see that this it is a bigger problem than they realized.
Commissioner Kim stated there has been a serious allegation that he knew about this in advance. He
doesn’t condone drug abuse. The buck does stop with him; he is the elected official. He didn’t wink at it.
They weren’t aware of 4/20 before this. Skidmore didn’t call us on this; they didn’t make them aware of
this as a police force. I guess it’s the political season.
Lauritz Rassmussen of 125 Circular Street stated until last week he was the building inspector for the City
of Saratoga Springs. By the time he is done tonight, he didn’t know if he would be labeled as a
disgruntled employee or tarred and feathered and run out on a rail. Whatever the outcome is it will be a
great personal expense to his family and himself. He already lost his job as the City’s building inspector,
but he will not lose his integrity or abandon his ethical duty as a professional engineer and protect the
public safety of this community. He is speaking of the health, welfare, safety and financial security of the
people and children of the City of Saratoga Springs. He wants people to be aware of the public record
that is available to anyone in the building department record regarding the recreation center. It is
imperative that this record be preserved. There are a significant number of e-mails that are in care of the
City Attorney, Joe Scala and are part of this public record. There are meeting notes and minutes in the
possession of Deputy Mayor Shauna Sutton and on the computer in his office. He has no agenda for or
against the recreation center. As the building inspector he had responsibility to the people of Saratoga
Springs to make sure the buildings erected in this city meet the NYS Uniform Building Code. This is a
minimum code meaning a building is substandard if it does not meet the code. The recreation center in its
current design and configuration, in his opinion, does not meet NYS Uniform Building Code minimum
standards. This opinion has been confirmed at the state level. As for Mayor Johnson direct involvement
or knowledge of the events leading up to this point in time he can’t say. Deputy Mayor Shauna Sutton and
City Attorney Joe Scala were directly and intimately involved with every step of this process. Deputy
Sutton and Joe Scala acted in a hostile and aggressive manner toward his job as building inspector
because he was being a road block to the agenda of a recreation center. All other applicants with building
permits engaged in such tactics would be charged with threatening a public official. All he is asking for is
a safe building for the recreation center that complies with NYS building code. The conditions on the
permit are the design of the recreation center be subject to 3 large full scale tests. The architect at the
same meeting expressed concern that the design would not pass these tests in a Type 2B construction;
meaning the construction needs to be non-combustible. It is imperative that the Council receive
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independent confirmation that these tests are satisfactorily passed in the design condition as a Type 2B
building before the recreation center be considered compliant with NYS building code.
Mayor Johnson stated he will not address the details of the allegations as it would be improper. He will
deny them. It was improper for Mr. Rassmussen to come here and make those allegations in this kind of
forum. We will deal with those in time and the public will become aware of what is truth and what is fiction.
Kyle York of 59 railroad place stated he is here to speak about the City Center external design. He had
slides to show various designs for the City Center. They do not want to change the interior design and
how it was made functional and so not want to have the project take any more time than it is going to take.
Some of the drawings he drew himself, others he took as examples from other buildings around the
United States.
Judy Ekman, Executive Director of the Prevention Council stated since 1999, the partnership for
prevention has been working to reduce underage drinking and substance use. This effort includes city
government, Saratoga Springs Police Department, the faith community, county agencies, DA’s office,
youth serving agencies, etc. and more recently Skidmore College. It has had a powerful effect in reducing
substance use among the younger youth in Saratoga Springs. Things have been going in the right
direction except for pot use; 60% of our high school seniors perceive the Saratoga community as having
norms and laws that support alcohol and drug abuse. She hopes that we will use the energy generated
and will continue to be generated around this incident to double efforts to work together and make a
difference in this community.
Derrick Legall of 3 Deer Leap Place invited the council to the Saratoga National Little League opening on
Saturday. He thanked the mayor for pushing forward with the recreation center. He was surprised when
he read the paper this morning regarding what went on at the Skidmore campus.
Commissioner Franck stated Chief Moore sent him a letter last week regarding coin drops. He believes
what has been announced to the press has been incorrect. The law is confusing when it relates to coin
drops. We are going to work together with public safety on this. He hopes to have an idea by next
meeting as to what is legal or what is not in relation to coin drops. He reminded the Council that he
couldn’t stop the coin drops if he wanted to because it was a Council decision in 2004. It would take the
City Council to vote to overturn that decision.
Reverend Eleanor Stanton spoke again to say she serves on the partnership for prevention with Chief
Moore. She knows him to be an honorable man and she knows our police department is filled with
honorable people. Her use of the term ‘winking’ is it is the perception our community will receive from the
article printed. She hopes there will be enough inches on the push back on the false impression as there
were inches on making that false impression.
Mayor Johnson closed the public hearing as the allotted time had elapsed.
Presentation – 2008 City Center Annual Report
Mark Baker, President of the City Center Authority stated that he applauded Mr. York’s civic mindedness
but he takes exception that we are going into PowerPoint review during our public comment time;
especially on this topic since it has been referred to Design Review Commissioner (DRC). The material
also has been reviewed in great extent.
The City Center Authority is mandated to submit its year end report to the City Council on an annual basis.
(Mr. Baker provided copies of the report to the Council). Some of the highlights are: 2008 was a solid
year, they hosted 128,000+ guests, majority of which were not during July and August. Those guests
generated more than $26 million dollars in potential sales; which resulted in $1.8 million in sales tax
revenues. In addition, those hotel guests generated over $400,000 in room occupancy tax which goes
directly into the City’s general fund. They hosted 122 events; which is a 6.1% increase over the previous
year. Earned revenues in 2008 were .68% over the previous year. Total expenses were down .6% even
with a 17% increase in utility costs. They ended the year with a positive balance of $24,000. All the
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monies for the facility expansion and upgrade are designated, secured and protected at this time.
Business is solid and they are booking 2 – 3 years in advance. Saratoga continues to be a desirable
destination. Questions regarding the report can be directed to him or anyone at the City Center Authority.
Commissioner Franck stated his main focus is on page 18 – didn’t we lose close to $400,000 in 2008?
Mark Baker stated no. They utilized over $400,000 of their non operating revenue.
Commissioner Franck stated he wanted to discuss income minus expenses, not what was used from the
savings account. He looking at transfer/non-operating – what are those figures? Are they transfers from
various accounts?
Mark Baker stated that is what it is. They lessened their draw from the subsidy. The City Center has
always had a subsidized operation. This last year they reduced the operational subsidy by 6.4%. The
subsidy is now being drawn from the room occupancy tax.
Commissioner Franck asked how long have we been having operating losses?
Mark Baker stated from day 1.
Commissioner Franck stated he did not see a statement of assets or a balance sheet.
Mark Baker advised that is provided by the City’s Finance Department.
Commissioner Franck confirmed if the City Center Authority had all the money needed for the expansion
project.
Mark Baker stated this is a spend and reimburse project. The longer funds sit in the State of New York,
the more suspect they may be to being eroded.
Commissioner Franck asked are under the same danger with this money as we were with the VLT
money?
Mark Baker stated we need to be prudent in how we use these funds due to New York State’s situation.
These funds were designated out of previous budgets.
Commissioner Kim congratulated Mark Baker on a good season during a difficult time period. He asked if
2009 bookings are holding up with the economy.
Mark Baker stated people are staying true to their bookings.
Commissioner Kim asked if there is a plan in the City Center Authority with the hotel tax. Will it stay or go
away?
Mark Baker stated the room occupancy tax of 2% will continue to come to the authority.
Mayor Johnson stated he is at most of the City Center Authority meetings. He commended Mark Baker
and the board with their dedication and efforts. They really have the city’s best interest at heart.
Presentation – Senior Citizen Committee Report on Senior Care Initiative
Mayor Johnson withdrew this item from the agenda.
Presentation – Children & Nature Saratoga
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Artie Pierce is the Executive Director of Children and Nature Saratoga. She handed out invitations and
information packets to the City Council. She met with the mayor and asked for the City’s stamp of
approval. There is a launching event May 1st at the state park. Other partners include the Saratoga Spa
State Park, Saratoga Hospital, Skidmore College, Saratoga P.L.A.N.. They have a website which is
acting as a clearinghouse of outdoor activities for children.
Presentation – Budget Status & Recommendations
Commissioner Ivins provided handouts of the slide presentation. He stated we budgeted $1.8 million for
VLT based upon the Governor stating last fall that he would be cutting what we would have gotten in half.
In reality we lost $3.8 million.
He is looking at 3 things: where have we come from in 2008 & 2009 and where the 2009 budget is,
concerns for the 2010 budget, and suggestions and thoughts to try to fill some of the gaps.
2008/2009 Budget: un-audited numbers from 2008 showed we brought in $37 million and budgeted $38
million, so we are $1.3 million short. We were budgeting conservatively; $800,000 would be budgeted as
income for the coming year. Part of that is 1 time money. Expenses were budgeted at $39 million and
had $36 million in expenses. He asked the Council to take a better look at their numbers this year to get a
better handle of were we are going to end up so we can do a better job of putting together a budget in the
future.
We decreased revenues from what we projected by $763,000 for 2009. Expenses budgeted for 2009
were increased from what we spent in 2008 by $69,000. Our fixed costs went up $848,000 even though
we don’t have union contracts. The old contract is still in effect so people still get their step increases and
health insurance increases. We had to make $779,000 of cuts elsewhere because we were only
projecting expenses to increase by $69,000.
We finished 2008 with a surplus of $832,000. Part of this is energy to ice money and contingency money
we put in that wasn’t spent. The fund balance is $7.7 million, part of which is appropriated somewhere
else. We have $3.3 million in our checking account; the auditors state we should have $10 million.
Commissioner Ivins went over revenue comparisons from 2008 to current; expenses were compared from
2008 to current; sales tax is down.
Expenses year to date are a bit more than last year at this time – about $100,000.
Sales tax is down. We are off about 6.7% from what we brought in last year (2008) in January and
February. August through December are our big months for sales tax. To be conservative, we may want
to consider reducing our sales tax by $500,000 - $1 million. He feels it is too early to do that at this point.
Solutions: We can cut costs or find other ways to bring in revenues – 80% of the budget is employee
related expense. There is still fat in the budget, but he needs to ask the commissioners to find it. The 2
biggest departments are saying they are running on bare bones and can’t find anything else to cut.
Early retirement was mentioned as a solution. There are 19 people in City Hall & DPW who are age 60+
and 68 people who are age 49 – 59. If we could save 10% of those combined salaries, we would save
$331,000. The police and fire departments have 3 who are age 60+ and 19 who are age 49 – 59. The
savings of those combined salaries (10%) would be $125,000. There are advantages and disadvantages
to this. The advantages are the new hires contribute to health insurance unlike the older employees and
they start at a lower level starting salary. The disadvantage to this is in order to do this, they would have
to forge an agreement with the union; new hires would have to come from the private sector to maximize
cost savings, etc.
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Mandatory day off without pay was another suggestion. This could cause overtime in departments like
the police or DPW. They also have to negotiate with the union to make this happen. The advantage is
there would be some cost savings.
The appointed positions had a freeze on step increases – amounting to $14,000.
Layoffs are an option. Advantages would include reduction of salary costs and benefit costs.
Disadvantages include reduction in services to the tax payers; layoffs offset some of the unemployment
savings, possible increase in overtime costs, requirement to meet minimum staffing levels of some
departments.
2010 Budget Concerns/Considerations: A lot of money was built into this year’s budget to bring a 0% tax
increase. With the economy, he didn’t have a problem with that. We would have to raise $3.2 million in
the 2010 budget to compensate for the energy to ice money; unreserved, unappropriated fund balance,
and the loss of VLT money. That would equate to a 20% tax increase. The other unknown is employee
contracts. Typically, when they are settled, they ask for the money they would have earned with that
contract from the past from the date the contract expired.
The net result for 2010 to make this budget work and assuming we find no other revenue sources; we
either have to raise property taxes 20 –40% or cut the budget by 20 -40%. He is looking for the public to
start discussing this and send him e-mails, speak at public comment, etc.
Commissioner Ivins stated the premise he used to put this together was the need to build our sales tax
revenue. We need to turn over parking spaces and we need to bring people to our downtown. We need
to bring people from outside our city in to shop.
Commissioner Ivins stated we have 2 bids outstanding that we need to make decisions on. If we have to
go with WICKS, we need to re-bid the project. He also wants to see the City retain ownership of the land
the High Rock parking garage and police station would go on. He also believes we only need 600 – 700
spaces. We should build it so that we can expand it, but for right now we only need the 600 – 700 spaces.
He also believes we should build a parking garage on Woodlawn Avenue and extend it into the street.
The parking plan must encourage people to use the paid parking areas and encourage parking turnover.
This also acts as a sales tax plan as well as a parking plan. We also need to discuss specifics of paid
parking – keep Broadway and the streets free; double fines; parking restrictions would apply during
specified days and times, office worker pass, encourage a valet service, etc
Commissioner Ivins suggested holding off building of the police station for 2 years until we have 2 years
worth of revenue from parking. He believes the police station is important and wants to help feed the
funding of it. Whatever bid option is taken, if there is cash upfront, take 25% of that cash and put it into
reserve to go into the police facility solution. He would also like to see 25% of the net proceeds of the
paid parking for those 2 years go into a fund to sit there, grow and use it as a down payment.
Commissioner Ivins stated he needs some questions answered before he can choose who to go with for
the police station – how does the PLA/WICKS law effect the bid, does the public buy into paid parking,
other city costs that goes into this, etc.
Commissioner Franck stated he would kiss Commissioner Ivins in front of Starbucks’ window if we hit our
sales tax figure. When we did our budget last year, we were looking at gas prices that were $4.24 at the
time and commodity prices were much higher. At the county level per New York State, the county is down
7.9%. Sales tax isn’t going to hit. He reminded everyone that he has to recuse himself on anything
relating to High Rock, but he wanted to make a general point relating the High Rock lots – we should as a
council get a different attorney and get the PLA done. WICKS is going to apply.
Commissioner Kim stated the firm that was suppose to investigate the PLA approval was going to charge
$6500. That firm wouldn’t sign our risk and safety requirements. There are potential lawsuits due to the
PLA. There is a big lawsuit in Niagara County on this issue right now.
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Commissioner Franck stated indemnification has nothing to do with legal advice. Talking as an
accountant, if you are going to build it, might as well build the police station. We are not in a budget crisis
because we are going to build a police station in a year or two; we are in a crisis because we spent more
than we have. He hopes the foundry comes, but it is not going to help us right now. We have a second
chance – we need to do workshops to figure out how we can make some cuts and defer some things. We
have bigger problems than just the High Rock lot.
Commissioner Kim stated if there was a proposal to offer a retirement incentive, you might see some
savings and they would be significant. There are a number of people in the police department that are of
retirement age. The fire department contract reduced their starting salary; if we hire people we are gong
to realize that savings. The disadvantage to layoffs is COBRA requires the City to pay 65% of the health
care for employees laid off up to 9 months. He reminded council there is $1.1 million for design of the
police station, only spent $150,000. It will expire July 2010. Parking fines were doubled during his first
term. If we doubled them again, we will be more expensive than Albany, but we could look at it again. A
lot of different time zones makes things more complicated from a practical stand point. He also stated he
was reluctant to come back to the Council will costs for the PLA investigation that was triple the original
amount.
Commissioner Franck stated can’t vote on bid but would support the PLA. If we are not going to close on
the Lillian lot, let’s rescind the bid and re-bid it. What are we waiting for? Even in a down economy, he
believes we can get close to the original amount for it. Commissioner Scirocco still owes his budget
$120,000.
Commissioner Scirocco stated there is a liability at the Lillian’s lot. We need to get a dialogue going or re-
bid. Either that or we are going to have to fix the lot.
Mayor Johnson stated the contract is in the buyer’s hands in final form. He will follow up with the buyer.
Prior council selling the lot depended upon having a solution to the loss of the parking spots.
Commissioner Kim stated this discussion raises an issue that the market may have changed for the buyer.
Second issue is council said they would award the bid for High Rock by the end of February. We may be
talking about stuff that isn’t real now because we have waited to move this along. We also have to have
some idea of when we are going to move on this.
Commissioner Scirocco stated he would like to see the Lillian’s lot turned into a pocket park to get more
people downtown. We need to fix it or get rid of it.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to move to executive session regarding
proposed, pending or current litigation; personal private information of a person or corporation, or
matters leading to the appointment, employment, promotion, demotion, discipline, suspension,
dismissal or removal of a person or corporation, including the matter of the DEC investigation.
Ayes – ALL
Upon return to the regular City Council meeting, Mayor Johnson reported the following matters were
resolved:
o The City Council authorized by unanimous vote for the City to enter into a stipulation of settlement
that will resolve a legal proceeding brought by a DPW employee. It is an Article 78 proceeding
where as the allegations where the employee had been wrongfully terminated. The City has
agreed to pay the employee $11,400.66 within 30 days of the execution of the agreement. Also,
there is a confidentiality clause as part of the agreement which prohibits the employee and the
City from disclosing the terms of the settlement beyond the dollar amount to be paid.
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Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to authorize the City to enter in the
agreement with the DPW employee as described above.
Ayes - All
o Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to add the retention of a structural
engineer to the Executive Session agenda.
Ayes - All
o Mayor Johnson advised the City Council discussed putting out to contract the services of a
professional structural engineer, not to exceed $2,000, for structural analysis for the repair and or
demolition of the green grandstand bleachers at the East Side field. Commissioner Ivins
seconded this motion.
Ayes – All
o Tony Izzo advised this Council signed an agreement with the Water’s Edge Homeowner’s
Association to settle a claim made. The claim was to settle in the amount of a flat $8,500 and
also to reimburse for a water bill in the additional sum of $358.58. The minutes do not reflect the
$358.59 amount, only the $8,500 flat fee. The $8,500 has been paid. In order to pay the $358.59,
and close the matter out entirely, it would require further action by the Council to authorize
payment in the amount of $358.59 as per the already signed agreement.
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to add the above item to the
Executive Session agenda.
Ayes – All
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to approve payment by the City in
the sum of $358.59 as reflected in the already signed and executed agreement.
Ayes – All
Consent Agenda
Mayor Scott Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to approve the consent agenda as
follows:
1. Approval of 4/7/09 City Council Minutes
2. Approve Budget Amendments
3. Approve Budget Transfers
4. Approve Payroll 4/10/09 $408,306.67
5. Approve Payroll 4/17/09 $436,147.87
6. Approve Warrant 2009 Mid MC2APR09 $159,927.63
7. Approve Warrant 2009 Regular 2APR09 $1,581,652.99
8. Award of Bid: Lube Oil, Grease and Fuel Additives to Various Vendors for Various Prices
9. Award of Bid: Tree Removal Service to Clifton & Spruill Tree Preservation for Various Prices
Ayes - All
Mayor’s Department
Discussion and Vote: Approval for the Mayor to Sign the 2009 State of New York Department of Health
Renewal Application for a Permit to Operate Camp Saradac (09- 106)
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Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to authorize the mayor to sign the 2009
State of New York Department of Health Renewal Application for a Permit to Operate Camp Saradac.
Linda Terricola announced this is an annual renewal to operate the summer day camp; Camp Saradac.
This has to be approved by Council tonight or the camp will not open on time.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Approval of Camp Safety Plan Updates (09-107)
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to approve Camp Safety Plan Updates.
Linda Terricola stated the safety plan was worked on by Kathy Lanfear and Marilyn Rivers. The only
change is on page 3; it reflects the reduce size in the appendix and the change in the assistant director
position.
Ayes - All
Discussion and Vote: 2009 Hourly, Coordinator and Independent Contractor Rates (09- 108)
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to approve the 2009 hourly, coordinator
and independent contractor rates.
Linda Terricola stated the same rates are in effect for 2009 as for 2008. The Recreation Department is
preparing and making plans to cut back and reduce. There is no increase as adopted in the 2009 budget
for the seasonal programs; they are operating on the 2008 program.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Accept Donation – A1 Powerwashing & Painting, Inc. (09- 109)
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Franck seconded to accept the donation from A1
Powerwashing & Painting, Inc. in the amount of $3,200.00.
Mayor stated this is to remedy the graffiti that is in the skate bowl at the East Side Recreation.
Linda Terricola advised that this is for the skate bowl and all the ramps at the skate park. This company is
donating their services. She is also receiving a proposal for fence to be put up around the bowl. The Risk
& Safety manager recommended that they put a fence around it or cap it. Linda will also be bringing a
skate at your own risk proposal to the Council. This would be a win/win situation; it offers a free service
for the youth of Saratoga Springs and saves about $18,000 - $20,000 in expenditures in the Recreation
Department budget.
Scirocco asked how the skate park was policed.
Linda advised there were 6 employees in the past to police this area.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: City Resolution to New York State for VLT Operations at Aqueduct (09-105)
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to a dopt the resolution to New York State
for VLT Operations at Aqueduct.
Mayor Johnson advised approximately 1 month ago, an effort was launched with 8 neighboring counties
to present a joint and unified effort to the state to urge that this issue be fully resolved in a prompt fashion
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after Delaware North failed to post the upfront monies and the prior award of bid fell apart. It has been
announced by the governor that they are going to re-bid this process and the bids are due by May 8, 2009.
The resolution reads as follows:
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS, NEW YORK
URGING PROMPT RESOLUTION OF VLT OPERATIONS AT AQUEDUCT RACETRACK
Mayor Scott T. Johnson
Commissioner John Franck
Commissioner Kenneth Ivins
Commissioner Anthony Scirocco
Commissioner Ronald Kim
BE IT RESOLVED, by the City Council of the City of Saratoga Springs as follows:
WHEREAS , The State of New York awarded the franchise to operate thoroughbred horse racing in the state to the New York Racing
Association for twenty-five years commencing 2008; and
WHEREAS , as part of the Franchise agreement, New York State would operate Video Lottery Terminals (VLTs) at Aqueduct
Racetrack, and thereafter accepted a bid from the Delaware-North Companies to develop and operate the VLTs at the track; and
WHEREAS , New York State has since determined that proposed changes to the contract by Delaware-North Companies jeopardize
the bid selection process and, therefore, the contract as currently structured will not be honored by New York State; and
WHEREAS , since the issue of VLT operations at Aqueduct has not been resolved, the State is estimated to lose approximately one
million dollars per day, that in part would be used for operating revenue and capital improvements by NYRA and also for educational
programs throughout the State; and
WHEREAS , this Council recognizes the importance of thoroughbred racing to our City’s economy as well as the racing industry as a
whole, and further recognizes a County study in 2006 that calculated that the overall impact of racing in the immediate nine-county
area is over $200 million annually with creation of over 3,000 jobs, the loss of which would have a devastating effect on our regional
economy; and
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED , that this Council does hereby urge the State of New York to resolve the issue of VLT
operations at Aqueduct in an expeditious manner without further delay, in order to continue to preserve the thoroughbred racing
industry in New York State; and be it further
RESOLVED , that the City Clerk shall forward a copy of this Resolution to the Governor of New York State, our New York State
Senators and Assembly leaders and members, and the county governments of Warren, Washington, Rensselaer, Schenectady,
Montgomery, Columbia, Greene, and Albany.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Marriage Officer Resolution (09-110)
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to approve the marriage officer
resolution as distributed to the Council .
Mayor Johnson advised his office had been contact by James McCarthy, PHD, and was asked that the
Council appoint him to reside over the marriage of his niece and her fiancé that will take place in our city.
We are legally able to do this as a service and courtesy. The appointment is for one day only on July 26,
2009.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Dedication of Geyser Park as Veterans Memorial Field (09-111)
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Franck seconded to name the Geyser Park as the
Saratoga Springs Veteran ’s Memorial Park.
Mayor Johnson stated this is an initiative brought forward to him by Gene Corsale. Mr. Corsale is a leader
in our community and a strong advocate for the veteran’s in our community.
Mr. Corsale stated he is an 81 year resident of the City. He thanked the mayor for putting this on the
agenda. Their proposal is to designate the area on Geyser Road in honor of their veterans. They would
like to rename it as Veteran’s Memorial Park. This is the best time, with our country at war, to dedicate
this area to veterans and illustrate to them the high regard our community holds for their service to our
country. The area is located adjacent to an elementary school and would serve as a patriot example as
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students pass by. No other locality in the capital district has a Veteran’s memorial park. This park will
honor the vets of all wars.
Mayor Johnson clarified this location is adjacent to the Geyser Road School complex that is being fitted
for lights for nighttime ball play. The idea is to have the dedication of this field as a Veteran’s Memorial
Park coincide with the dedication of the lights and make a celebration of it.
Commissioner Ivins stated he is excited that the Korean War Veterans will be the color guards leading the
4th of July parade.
Mr. Corsale stated Lee Nichols did a drawing of what the park could look like. He passed around the Lee
Nichols drawing of what the park may look like.
Mayor Johnson stated he and Mr. Corsale discussed that the dedication of the park is believed to help the
fundraising efforts towards raising the money for the flags and plaques.
Mr. Corsale stated his dream would be to see St. Peters High School (Catholic Central) play Saratoga
High School in baseball as the dedication game.
Commissioner Kim stated his father was a Korean War Veteran. His dad always asked him that if he ever
met a Korean War Vet, to thank them. It is a forgotten war and you liberated his country – thank you.
Ray Waldron stated we have the NYS Korean War Spring Conference here in Saratoga. There are 20
chapters throughout the state that will be here on May 6th, 7th and 8th at Longfellows Restaurant.
Ayes – All
Discussion: Status of Indoor Recreation Center
Mayor Johnson advised that as of April 8, 2009, the NYS Labor Department issued a modified stop bid
order that allows the City to enter into a contract with Bast Hatfield, Inc. with the condition that Bast
Hatfield separately bid out the subcontractors that would normally be involved in a WICKS law bid. The
contract was signed by the mayor and Bast Hatfield pursuant to the resolution passed by the City Council
on February 17, 2009 that awarded the bid to Bast Hatfield and authorized the mayor to enter into a
contract with them for this purpose. There was a recent appeal filed by the group informally known as the
Friends of Southside Park on April 13, 2009 to the Appellate Division of the Supreme Court of New York
seeking to reverse the lower court dismissal in total of its suit it brought months ago against the City.
They have not filed an injunction, just a notice of appeal which allows them to go forward and file briefs
and further arguments with that court. There is no action required by the City; if that should change, he
will notify the Council.
Commissioner Kim asked what happened to the bond that was going to expire on March 31st.
Mayor Johnson explained the bond was never going to expire, that was a misconception. The bond was
set to reach its 3 year anniversary, which means the City would be subjected to potential penalties by
bond holders or in the event the City is audited by the IRS for bond practices and procedures for not
spending it down within the 3 year time frame. The 3 years is not an absolute especially in this case with
the lawsuit, and the NYS stop bid order.
Commissioner Kim asked why isn’t the modified stop bid order coming before the City Council.
Mayor Johnson advised they were able to preserve the contract with Bast Hatfield so they weren’t
required to come back to the Council to re-bid or award another contract.
Commissioner Kim stated there is a material change in the contract. He read the modified stop bid order
and believes it commits the City to comply with WICKS for other projects that we are doing. It is clear
from Title III of the Charter that this City Council has to approve any intergovernmental agreements that
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we enter into. It is clear the mayor is empowered to negotiate those things, but it is also clear that it
comes before the City Council. He believes it has to come before the Council.
Mayor Johnson stated we were able to represent to the Labor Department that the City already awarded a
contract for analysis of due diligence for a PLA; the High Rock project which would satisfy WICKS.
Commissioner Kim quoted Title III of the Charter as “… the mayor shall represent the Council in
negotiations in matters effecting agreements and contracts with neighboring local governmental
institutions, jurisdictions, state, and federal. The mayor could delegate such duties to council members.
The mayor shall obtain the council’s approval prior to entering into final agreements.” There is a final
agreement here which is a modified stop bid order and there is an April 3rd letter from Joe Scala saying
“…with respect to the above captioned matter and in response to the letter of April 3rd, please be advised
that the City hereby confirms its acceptance of the terms of its settlement”. His position on this is the
Department of Labor doesn’t have an agreement with the City; they may have an agreement with the city
attorney that is contingent on approval by the City Council, but they don’t have an agreement with the City.
Commissioner Scirocco stated he was under the impression that we awarded the bid but didn’t sign a
contract with the contractor. He was under the impression that that is as far as it went. The actual
contract needs to be voted on. All he remembers is voting against awarding the bid to Bast Hatfield.
Mayor Johnson stated the minutes of February 17th, the motion was to award the bid and authorize the
mayor to enter into a contract.
Commissioner Scirocco stated he thought that violates the purchasing procedures we have – it does.
Commissioner Kim stated that the approval was predicated by Bast Hatfield not complying with WICKS
and now they are. That is a material change to a contract and should now come before the Council. It is
exactly the same as the DEC litigation and this Council’s discussions and final approval by this Council to
approve the DEC consent order for the dumping and the oil spill. The modified stop bid order also has to
come before the Council.
Mayor Johnson stated the DEC is different because there is no obligation from the City to DEC until we
entered into an agreement. The Labor Department issued a stop bid order; it wasn’t consensual. There
are different issues and facts involved. He would be happy to put it on the agenda.
Commissioner Kim asked if it doesn’t require the mayor’s consent, why did the city attorney write a letter
saying the City confirms the acceptance of the settlement.
Mayor Johnson stated that was a format they wanted to follow to resolve the issue. He again offered to put
this on the table.
Commissioner Scirocco stated he believes the mayor has to follow procedure. He doesn’t believe the
award of bid and signing of a contract in once session follows the purchasing rules.
Commissioner Franck and Mayor Johnson both advised it does follow the rules.
Commissioner Scirocco stated it is his understanding it is not allowed in the same session.
Mayor Johnson stated that the sum of the contract that he was authorized on February 17th to enter into is
the same sum as the contract he actually entered into with Bast Hatfield; there was no change in the
City’s obligation to Bast Hatfield.
Commissioner Kim stated the logical conclusion is the stop bid order was a fantasy. Why would it have
existed and what would it have impacted if nothing changed?
Commissioner Ivins suggested bringing it to the next council meeting as they can also solidify the
requirements of the police station and parking garages.
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Mayor Johnson stated it is very clear that after stop order placed on recreation center that no project done
by the city would go through without the labor department issuing another stop bid order if we did not
comply with WICKS.
Commissioner Kim stated the RFP of the public safety station stated per the request of the mayor that this
city doesn’t comply with WICKS. There are a lot of issues that need to be looked at very carefully and he
is not sure that has happened.
Accounts Department
Presentation: US National Health Care Act (HR 676)
Commissioner Franck stated we are familiar with HR 676 especially from the numerous
comments/information provided during the public hearing. Why now? We are under a budget crisis at the
city and state level. At the city level we have several contracts where health insurance is a major cost
factor. The number that will be disbursed nationally will be considerably less (percentage wise) than what
we currently have – we are going to take the middle man out. This is the first step; this is a resolution. We
should be leaders and not followers. Support for HR676 continues to grow daily – Albany County,
Cortland County, Livingston County, Rensselaer County, Schuyler, Tompkins, and Ulster, etc. Potential
savings to the city would be $5 million dollars. Hours of negotiations relate to health care. The next steps
is to pass the resolution.
Tom Barkley, PHD of 19 Nelson Avenue stated he disagrees with the comments that this isn’t important.
One of the most important things we have as a city, as a group of people, is to send a message to the
entire nation. That is what were are part of. We are part of an opportunity to deliver a message to the rest
of the country that we believe in this and we support this. It is important to everyone. Everyone here may
not realize how vulnerable you are to illness or bankruptcy. This is not trivial; our voice is an important
thing – don’t give that up. Resolutions as a city are vital, they are not trivial.
Mayor Johnson stated this is a complex issue. He believes it is important to speak out as a community to
recognize the problem of health care in our country. He doesn’t wholly support HR676, there are issues
with it that haven’t been resolved; fiscal issues, is it a viable solution to the issues in our country. It is
important to take a step forward and raise it to the national level. He has reservations about parts of the
bill but supports the concept.
Patricia Reed of 12 Clubhouse Drive stated the key is it is a step forward. This may not be the perfect
answer, but we must move in this direction. Health care reform without cost containment will not achieve
anything. We don’t know what the final bill will be. We need to speak up and be heard.
Commissioner Scirocco stated it is a great idea and concept. He will support it. This is a step in the right
direction.
Commissioner Ivins stated he agrees with all the things brought up regarding health care; it is a major
problem both in quality and the price we pay. He agrees we have to address the issue. The problem he
has is endorsing this particular bill as it is out there now, even though it probably won’t end up this way.
Ms. Reed stated in 1991, the Congressional Budget Office did their own calculations and said if we had
universal health care single payor at that point, we would have saved $70 billion. Now we are up to being
able to save $300 billion just by reducing duplicate administration of health plans and all the denials.
Commissioner Kim stated he wants to speak to the comments about this could happen to anyone. One of
his clients and city resident just filed bankruptcy due to something like this. This client’s wife died, and
shortly after he had to file bankruptcy because the insurance wasn’t covering all the medical care. It all
comes down to sickness or illness. This is a much bigger issue than most tell you. None of us are exempt
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from this. He believes we need to do something and this is a step in the right direction. He supports this
resolution.
Discussion and Vote: US National Health Care Act (HR-676) (09-104)
Commissioner Franck moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to approve the resolution as
read.
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE US NATIONAL HEALTH CARE ACT (HR 676)
WHEREAS , every person in Saratoga Springs and in the United States deserves access to affordable, quality health care; AND
WHEREAS , the existence of thousands of public and private insurance providers and regulators has resulted in extraordinarily
complex health care business procedures that consume almost one third of our nation’s expenditures for health care; AND
WHEREAS , the number of Americans without health insurance now exceeds 47 million; and millions with insurance have
inadequate coverage that a major illness leads to financial ruin; and one half of all bankruptcies are a result of medical illness and
bills; AND
WHEREAS , the City of Saratoga Springs annual health care costs for 2006 reached $4.3 million, 10% of our annual budget; 2007
costs reached $4.7 million, 11% of our annual budget and 2008 costs reached $5.1 million, 12% of our annual budget; AND
WHEREAS , proposals for “consumer directed health care” would worsen this situation by penalizing sick, discouraging prevention,
and burdening many working families with huge medical bills; AND
WHEREAS , managed care and other market based reforms have failed to contain health care costs, which now threaten
international competitiveness of U.S. manufactures; AND
WHEREAS , Harvard researchers estimated that more than $300 billion could be recovered by replacing private insurance
companies with a single public payer, enough to cover the uninsured and to improve coverage for all those who now have only
partial coverage; AND
WHEREAS , U.S. hospitals spend 24.3% of their budgets on billing and administration while hospitals under Canada’s single payer
system spend only 12.9%; AND
WHEREAS , profit oriented firms divert billions of health care dollars to salaries and profits at the cost of American lives and national
solvency; AND
WHEREAS , Congressional House Resolution 676, also known as the US National Health Insurance Act and Medicare for All, would
cover every person in the United States for all necessary medical care including prescription drugs, hospital, surgical, outpatient
services, primary and preventive care, emergency services, dental and vision care; AND
WHEREAS , 100 members of Congress including 10 from New York State, and Congressman Michael McNulty have already signed
on in support of HR 676,
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED , that the Saratoga Springs Mayor and City Council endorse HR 676 and call on the
Congress of the United States to pass this bill assuring affordable and effective health care for all residents of the United States, and
be it further
RESOLVED , that certified copies be forwarded to Congressman Paul Tonko and U.S. Senators Gillibrand and Schumer.
Ayes – 4
Nays – Commissioner Ivins
Set Public Hearing: Condominium Resolution
A public hearing has been scheduled for Tuesday, May 5, 2009 @ 6:50 pm. A second public hearing will
be set at a date a time other than a Council Meeting night to allow more of the public to comment. We will
publish the date and time in the newspaper as soon as we have firmed up the date and space.
Announcement: How to Grieve Assessment Class
A class to grieve assessments will be held either May 12th or 13th from 6 pm – 8 pm. We will firm up the
date by the next Council meeting; post it on the City’s website and print in the newspaper.
Finance Department
Discussion and Vote: Accept Donations – Saratoga’s All-American Celebration (09-112)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to accept donations from
Adirondack Trust for $2200 and Bonacio Construction for $500 for the Saratoga All-American
Celebration.
Commissioner Ivins thanked the Adirondack Trust and Bonacio Construction for their support.
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Ayes – 4
Abstained – Commissioner F ranck
Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to sign contract – Sirsy (09-113)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Mayor Johnson seconded to authorize the mayor to sign a contract
with Sirsy f or the Saratoga All-American Celebration .
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to sign contract – Saratoga Soundtrack (09-114)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to authorize the Mayor to sign a
contract with Saratoga Soundtrack Chorus for the All-American Celebration.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: DPW Payroll Transfer (09-115)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to authorize the DPW payroll
transfer.
Commissioner Ivins stated there was concern that DPW was transferring $2,000.00 out of streets and
labor line. Last meeting they amended the line for this exact amount for curb work for a resident. That fell
through and the money had to be refunded.
Ayes - All
Discussion and Vote: Accounts Payroll Transfer (09-116)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to authorize the accounts payroll
transfer.
Commissioner Ivins explained this transfer is for unemployment and couldn’t be budget for last November.
Ayes - All
Discussion and Vote: Contingency Transfer
Commissioner Ivins moved and Mayor Johnson seconded the contingency transfer.
Commissioner Ivins stated per the finance policy and procedures, the transfer is separated from the rest
and requires additional information. The 2009 adopted budget contains $138,112.71 in the contingency
line. On March 17, 2009 the Council transferred $32,000.00 to the contingency for the Arts Council
addition work and for the energy performance contract. The total balance at that time was
$170,112.71.00. They are now transferring that out and the balance will go back to $138,112.71. Also at
the March 17th meeting, the Council approved the contract for Barton & Loguidice as part of the DEC
order in the amount of $17,700.00 will come from contingency and go to the legal liability line created for
the DEC matter. That is the second transfer. The contingency balance is now at $120,412.71.
Ayes – All
Discussion: North Woods at Skidmore
Commissioner Ivins announced that they had a great day and great turnout from the community. Boy
Scout Troop 70, Girl Scout Troop 3142, etc. all came out and accomplished a lot.
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Discussion: City Finances
Commissioner Ivins stated he likes the idea of workshops. He will propose a series of workshops at the
next council meeting. He urged others to bring suggestions forward.
Announcement: Healthy Transportation Committee
Commissioner Ivins met Friday to discuss what was passed last month. He thanked all who sent a
representative.
Public Works Department
Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to Sign Agreement with MXI – Household Hazardous Waste
(09-117)
Commissioner Scirocco moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to authorize the mayor to sign the
agreement with MXI for management, transportation, and disposal of household hazardous waste
collection on May 30, 2009.
Commissioner Scirocco stated the event will be available to City residents only and proof of residency will
be required. The event will be from 8 am – 1:30 pm at the Weibel Avenue Skating Rink parking lot. DPW
will make appointments on a first come basis.
Commissioner Ivins asked if he would be within the budget of $43,000.
Commissioner Scirocco stated there was $45,000 budgeted; $2,000 will go for advertising. The DEC will
reimburse 50% of the cost.
Aye - All
Discussion and Vote: Authorization for the Mayor to Sign a Modification to an Agreement with Barton &
Loguidice (09-118)
Commissioner Scirocco moved and Commissioner Franck seconded to authorize the mayor to sign an
agreement with Barton & Loguidice for design an bid specification services for the improvements of
the Geyser Crest water system in the amount of $64,000 .
Commissioner Scirocco stated the New York State Department of Health has advised the City that is must
upgrade the drinking water disinfection system by December 1, 2009 or it may have to issue continuous
boil water order until the improvements are completed. The funding is in the 2009 capital budget.
Rich Straut of Barton & Loguidice advised the Council this is a fast track approach to resolving the issues.
This contract is to get the design plans done and out to bid. They will come back for construction
oversight and will present another contract at that time. This will be a competitive bid.
Mayor Johnson asked for the projected cost of project.
Rich stated the cost would be $700,000. One topic at the water conference he has been attending for the
past few days is ‘green’ – he believes he can get some of this cost paid for through that.
Commissioner Scirocco stated they have $500,000 in the capital budget right now.
Commissioner Ivins asked for clarification that the $64,000 for this contract is in addition to the $700,000
and where is it coming from.
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Commissioner Scirocco stated there is $550,000 in the capital budget and the $64,000 is coming from the
water fund.
Rich Straut advised the $64,000 is included in the $700,000 figure.
Commissioner Ivins stated they need to find another $150,000 in addition to what is in the capital. He
asked Commissioner Scirocco if he had a plan of where the $150,000 difference is going to come from.
Commissioner Scirocco Skip the price is approx $700,000, they are talking some stimulus money.
Rich stated they discussed bidding bid alternates in case the prices didn’t match up with the capital
budget. This way they could take out the ‘nice to do’ but not the ‘must do’.
Commissioner Ivins clarified that when the bid comes back, Commissioner Scirocco is going to have to
find out where they are going to find more money if they are going to proceed.
Bill McTygue stated they may have to amend the capital budget depending upon the results of the costs
submitted.
Commissioner Scirocco asked if there is any money from NYSERDA.
Rich Straut stated there will be some rebates, but they have not been subtracted from the $700,000 cost.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Authorization for the Mayor to Sign Harris Beach Agreement for an On-going
Investigation of the DEC
Commissioner Scirocco pulled this item from the agenda.
Public Safety Department
Commissioner Kim advised he had nothing at this time.
Supervisors
Joanne Yepsen
Report on April Board of Supervisors Meeting
Supervisor Yepsen reported the City was denied 2 applications last year for the County Farmland
Protection grants. The grant applications for 2009 will be release on Friday, May 1st, and closing the
application period on Thursday, July 30th. The funding for this year is same as last $750,000.
Meetings with State Representatives on Legislative Issues
Supervisor Yepsen reported the board of supervisors met yesterday with the representatives from the
state. They reviewed their 2009 legislation program.
Sustainable Saratoga Public Program
Supervisor Yepsen reported the next public meeting is April 28th at 7 p.m. on the 3rd floor of City Hall with
a presentation from Pat Cafone on energy saving tips.
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City Council Meeting
4/21/09
Matt Veitch
Supervisor Veitch thanked the council for voting on the Veteran Memorial Park.
Economic Development Committee
Supervisor Veitch announced a discussion with Dr. Oliver Robinson, Superintendent of the
Shenendehowa School District regarding a consortium initiated by the
Saratoga/Warren/Washington/Hamilton BOCES which is a conglomerate of schools and colleges working
together for our children to compete in a more advanced world. Camoin Associates gave an overview of
the federal stimulus funding for economic development projects in the county.
Trails Committee
Supervisor Veitch stated they held their meeting at the land next to the Wilton Mall where they will be
opening the first countywide trail. The county DPW is anxious to get moving on this project.
Racing Resolution
Supervisor Veitch thanked the Council for passing Aqueduct Racing resolution. They passed the
resolution at the county today by unanimous vote.
Social Programs Committee
Supervisor Veitch announced there were a bunch of resolutions passed today.
Green Committee
Supervisor Veitch announced they will meet on April 29th at 7 p.m. at the Stillwater Community Center.
They have 4 presenters lined up.
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to adjourn the meeting.
Ayes - All.
There being no further business, Mayor Johnson adjourned the meeting at 11:30 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Lisa Ribis
Approved: 5/5/09
Vote: 5 - 0
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Agenda
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CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
City Council Meeting
April 21, 2009 City Council Room
06:50 PM P.H. - US National Health
Care Act (HR676)
Print
7:00 PM
CALL TO ORDER
ROLL CALL
SALUTE TO FLAG
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD / 15 MINUTES
PRESENTATION(S):
1. Presentation: 2008 City Center Annual Report
2. Report by Mayor's Senior Citizen Committee on Senior Care Initiative
3. Children & Nature Saratoga
4. Budget Status & Recommendations
EXECUTIVE SESSION:
Discussion regarding proposed, pending or current litigation; personal private
information of a person or corporation, or matters leading to the appointment,
employment, promotion, demotion, discipline, suspension, dismissal or removal of
a person or corporation.
CONSENT AGENDA
1. Approval of City Council Minutes 4-7-09
2. Approve Budget Amendments
3. Approve Budget Transfers
4. Approve Payroll 4/10/09 $408,306.67
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5. Approve Payroll 4/17/09 $436,147.87
6. Approve Warrant 2009 Mid MC2APR09 $159,927.63
7. Approve Warrant 2009 Regular 2APR09 $TBD
8. Award of Bid: Lube Oil, Grease and Fuel Additives to various vendors for various prices
9. Award of Bid: Tree Removal Service to Clifton & Spruill Tree Preservation for various prices
MAYOR’S DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion and Vote: Approval for the Mayor to sign the 2009 State of New York Department of
Health Renewal Application for a Permit to Operate Camp Saradac
2. Discussion and Vote: Approval of Camp Safety Plan Updates
3. Discussion and Vote: 2009 Hourly, Coordinator and Independent Contractor Rates
4. Discussion and Vote: Accept Donation - A1 Powerwashing & Painting, Inc.
5. Discussion and Vote: City Resolution to New York State for VLT Operations at Aqueduct
6. Discussion and Vote: Marriage Officer Resolution
7. Discussion and Vote: Dedication of Geyser Park as Veterans Memorial Field
8. Discussion: Status of Indoor Recreation Center
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
1. Presentation: US National Health Care Act (HR 676)
2. Discussion and Vote: US National Health Care Act (HR 676)
3. Set Public Hearing: Condominium Resolution
4. Announcement: How to Grieve Assessment Class
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion and Vote: Accept Donations-Saratoga's All-American Celebration
2. Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to Sign Contract-Sirsy
3. Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to Sign Contract-Saratoga Soundtrack
4. Discussion and Vote: DPW Payroll Transfers
5. Discussion and Vote: Accounts Payroll Transfer
6. Discussion and Vote: Contingency Transfer
7. Discussion: North Woods Update
8. Discussion: City Finances
9. Announcement: Healthy Transportation Committee
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
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1. Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to Sign Agreement with MXI - Household
Hazardous Waste
2. Discussion and Vote: Authorization for the Mayor to Sign a Modification to an Agreement with
Barton & Loguidice
3. Discussion and Vote: Authorization for the Mayor to sign Harris Beach Agreement for an on-
going investigation of the DEC
PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT
SUPERVISORS
1. Joanne Yepsen
1. Report on April Board of Supervisors meetings
2. Meeting with State Representatives on Legislative Issues
3. Next Sustainable Saratoga Public Program: April 28 7pm
2. Matthew Veitch
1. Update: Economic Development Committee
2. Update: Trails Committee
3. Update: Racing Resolution
4. Update: Social Programs Committee
5. Update: Green Committee-next meeting 4/29, Stillwater Community Center
ADJOURN
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