City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · May 5, 2009
Minutes
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
CITY COUNCIL MEETING
CITY COUNCIL ROOM
TUESDAY, MAY 5, 2009
7:00 P.M.
PRESENT: Scott Johnson, Mayor
John Franck, Commissioner of Accounts
Ken Ivins, Commissioner of Finance
Ron Kim, Commissioner of DPS
Anthony Scirocco, Commissioner of DPW
PRESENT: Matthew Veitch, Supervisor
Joanne Yepsen, Supervisor
STAFF PRESENT: Patrick Design, Deputy Commissioner, DPW
Michele Boxley, Deputy Commissioner, Accounts
Eileen Finneran, Deputy Commissioner, DPS
Kate Jarosh, Deputy Commissioner, Finance
Shauna Sutton, Deputy Mayor
Joe Scala, City Attorney
RECORDING OF PROCEEDING
The proceedings of this meeting were taped for the benefit of the secretary. Because the minutes are not
a verbatim record of the proceedings, the minutes are not a word-for-word transcript.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Condominium Resolution
Mayor Johnson opened the public comment period at 6:55 p.m.
Commissioner Franck stated a presentation was done in January of this year regarding the condominium
resolution. This resolution supports allowing assessors to assess condominiums as single family homes.
He was asked to delay the vote on the resolution to allow for more public comment. He plans to bring this
resolution to vote at the next City Council meeting, May 19th.
Kyle York of 59 Railroad Place stated he is a condo owner. He initially reacted to this resolution until he
spoke with Commissioner Franck to better understand the resolution. He can and believes he should pay
more. We have a lot of condos in this city and would like to see them sold. He believes the law will not
make it past the state because of downstate. He hopes the time comes when they can address the
situation
Chuck Phillips of 592 Ackland Boulevard in Ballston Spa stated he expects the board of education to be
taking this issue up at their next meeting on May 12th. Property taxes directly affect the quality of
education in this district. State aid continues to drop; as state aid drops, the shifting of the burden of taxes
goes to property taxes. They are interested in the fair and equitable distribution of the property tax value.
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He applauds Commissioner Franck and others for taking a hard look at this and he encouraged the
Council to support the resolution.
Commissioner Franck stated Senator Little has 2 bills – S255 and S256. The County passed a resolution
on both. He is only putting through the resolution on S255 at the next meeting. This resolution gives the
city, village or town the choice of whether they want to use 339Y or not. Both bills exclude Nassau
County and New York City.
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Johnson called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
Mayor Johnson said the public comment period is limited to a total of 15 minutes and individuals are
limited to two minutes each according to the rules approved in February of 2004 by the City Council.
Mary Beth Delarm of 96 Quevic Drive stated she is here regarding Beaver Pond Village. She passed out
a copy of what she read to the Council. She stated their concerns continue to be ignored by the Planning
Board. They feel the newly appointed planning board member Daniel Gaba should recuse himself from
any decisions regarding this project because he is a realtor and a homeowner on Quevic Drive. Mr. Gaba
is also not informed enough with the numerous volumes of documents that have existed over the past 4+
years. People who oppose the Beaver Pond subdivision have been prevented from accessing public
documents by the people in the Planning Department. Therefore the stormwater engineer was forced to
review reports from old materials. He feels the project’s numerous impervious surfaces will greatly impact
the area. The engineer also stated the stormwater report submitted by the applicant did not meet all
technical requirements according to the NYS Stormwater Pollution Prevention Plan Manual. Due to time,
Ms. Delarm wasn’t able to read the rest of her statement but requested that the Council do so.
Leslie Miller of 18 Sweetbriar Drive, Wilton stated she is chairperson for the committee of the 2nd Annual
All American Celebration. The theme this year is Valor, Victory and Voyages. They are doing all of the
same things as last year plus some new interactive events; check out www.saratogajuly4th.com. They
are gratified by the community’s support this year.
Commissioner Ivins thanked all their volunteers for what they do.
Rick Catuccio of Vellano Brothers in Latham, New York stated he is here regarding the award of bid for
the water, sewer, hydrants, etc. He advised the Council that during the 2007-2008 bid season, they
awarded the bid to Ferguson Waterworks. That bid was later rescinded due to them not being able to
fulfill the bid. In 2008, the bid was awarded again to Ferguson Waterworks. During that time, Ferguson,
no less than several dozen times failed to meet the requirements of the bid. The City water and sewer
department went to Vellano or Vellano delivered to the City the supplies needed. These are basic run of
the mill things; pvc pipe, marking paint, paving adapters, repair materials for water mains, fire hydrant
extensions, etc. These are things that could affect the well being of your residents and visitors. They
respectfully request that Ferguson is not allowed to be awarded the bid due to the number of times they
failed to meet the requirements.
Daniel Ruzo of Whiteman Osterman & Hanna stated he represents Saratoga East Avenue Associates; the
developers of the proposed Beaver Pond Development. He is here to respond to Mary Beth Delarm’s
exaggerations, misstatements, and half-truths. She is taking advantage of the planning board and
planning staff’s good intentions in allowing public input. She has had ample opportunity to comment and
provide advice. This is another effort on her part to politicize the planning process. They have gone
through the planning process for 5 years and look to the conclusion in the near term. He asked the
Council not to engage in what she is seeking – the political action on the part of the Council in regards to
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the planning process. Her efforts that she either deliberately distorts or doesn’t understand have been
considered by 2 engineering firms…..
Commissioner Kim asked the mayor to confirm the rules are to no to talk about individual people. This is
an attack on an individual. If you have a point to make, that is one thing; but you are just attacking one
person.
Mayor Johnson stated we do have rules and asked the speaker to tone it down. He did note that Ms.
Delarm did make personal comments about the planning board earlier this evening.
Mr. Ruzo stated he understands the concern. The effort on the part of this group to poison the planning
process can’t be considered because of trying to change the focus of attention away from the facts. He
urged the Council to allow the planning board to do its work and to get on with decision on this project.
Kyle York of 59 Railroad Place stated he loves this country, county and neighbors. The AMD that this
Council discussed last week and the budget and counting on it for some kind of income does not square
with the AMD facing a legal challenge from Intel. Our debt may get worse. Both AMD and Intel have
patents for different approaches. Both have agreed to share their patents to prevent a third party from
getting in on a patent. Their legal agreement is called cross licensing deals and it is legal. Any portion of
the agreement can be made public only if both parties agree. AMD has spun-off all of their foundries.
Mayor Johnson asked Mr. York to submit the rest of his comments.
Pat Kane of 19 Marion Place stated he was here several weeks ago about the recreation center. We
found more expenses that we didn’t plan on at the time. The Council may be too far to pull this back, but
he would be remiss to not urge the Council to reconsider this expense. There is no published business
plan on this project.
Cynthia Travison of 34 Casino Drive stated they have been asking Mary Beth Delarm to get the planning
board things. MaryBeth is doing it for more than just herself. They don’t want standing water or sewer, it
is important.
Al Colucci of 9 Lexington Road is here due to his interest in the budget gap. He stated we need to take a
step backward before taking a step forward. In a period of 4 years (2004 – 2008) the City property tax
revenue increased 52.6% or $5 million dollars. During that time we also received $10 million in VLT
money. This money was put into the budget, and we need to rectify were that money went before we go
forward. He is willing to volunteer any amount of time needed for the budget workshop. He feels he could
contribute.
Mayor Johnson closed the public hearing as the allotted time had elapsed.
Presentation – Other Post-Employment Benefits Actuarial Valuation
Commissioner Ivins stated we have been handling retirement benefits on a cash basis. The state has
mandated that we figure out what the full liability is for these benefits. We are required to bring someone
in to do that for us. Armory Associates is the firm that is doing this for us.
Damian Hacker of Armory Associates advised GASB is the Governmental Accounting Standards Board.
They came out with a new standard that requires all governmental employers to provide an evaluation of
their post employment benefit plan. This evaluation needs to be completed every 2 years. GASB 45 does
not have the authority nor is there a rule that states you have to fund for this. The report presented to the
Council does have detail of the eligibility requirements and contribution requirements. Most of the retirees
and some of the future retirees will receive 100% paid health care for themselves, spouse, and surviving
spouse.
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The total liability/projected costs for current retirees and future retirees going to be a large number due to
the number of years they are projecting out; 50, 60, 70 years. On average, the city is a little over
$200,000 per participant. This number is on par with everyone else across the state. Employer
considerations of GASB 45 are there will be a large unfunded liability showing in your financial statement.
As an employer you will ask yourself if this is too generous of a benefit, are these benefits in line with the
services they are receiving from the active employee. The City plan is different in the fact that the
surviving spouse receives 100% coverage. Most other governmental employers do not provide that.
Commissioner Franck asked if this will only be on our audited financial statements.
Christine Gillmett-Brown stated that is correct.
Commissioner Franck asked what year GASB 45 kicked in.
Christine advised it started in 2008.
Presentation – Project Labor Agreement
Commissioner Kim pulled this item from the agenda.
Consent Agenda
Mayor Scott Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to approve the consent agenda as
follows:
1. Approval of 4/21/09 City Council Minutes
2. Approve Budget Amendments
3. Approve Budget Transfers
4. Approve Payroll 4/24/09 $419,503.89
5. Approve Payroll 5/1/09 $404,476.77
6. Approve Warrant 2009 Mid MC3APR09 $529,584.11
7. Approve Warrant 2009 Regular 1MAY09 $549,847.32
8. Award of Bid: Field Marking Lime to Allerdice
9. Award of Bid: Fire Sprinkler Inspection Services to Simplex Grinnell
10. Award of Bid: Granite Curb to Syrstone, Inc.
11. Award of Bid: Heavy Equipment Rental Standby Asphalt Rollers and Small Paving Machine to Milton
CAT (items 1 and 2), Anderson Equipment (items 3 and 4), and Admar Supply (item 5)
12. Award of Bid: Motor Vehicle Filters to Napa Auto Parts
13. Appointment: Patsy Berrigan as Commissioner of Deeds
14. Award of Bid: Precast Curb to The Fort Miller Company
15. Award of Bid: Precast Manholes, Catcbasin, Risers, Dry Wells and Frames and Covers to The Fort
Miller Co. and Syracuse Castings
16. Award of Bid: Water and Sewer Pipe, Fittings, Hydrants and Valves to Ferguson Waterworks
Commissioner Scirocco stated Ferguson was the lowest bidder. There had been a problem in the past
with Ferguson. The Director of Public Works made a site visit and they are confident that they have the
supplies the department needs. He is ready to move on this.
Commissioner Kim stated that the idea of the consent agenda is for issues that are not controversial. He
would like to have a separate vote on the water, sewer, pipe.
Item #16 has been moved to Commissioner Franck’s agenda.
Ayes - All
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Mayor’s Department
Discussion and Vote: Revised Skate Park Rules and Protocols
Mayor Johnson pulled this item from his agenda.
Discussion and Vote: Camp Field Trips and Playground Programs
Mayor Johnson announced they will not be proposing the consolidation of 3 playground sites into the East
Side Field as it will not benefit many people of the community despite there maybe being some savings.
More people are staying home this summer and will be relying on the camp.
Linda Terricola stated it is in the best interest of the Recreation Department and Camp Saradac to offer
the same programs as they have for the past 40 years. One of the major field trips that is not cost
effective is the trip to the Great Escape – that is a savings of close to $8,000. Also, the part time workers
will not receive a pay increase this year; the savings will be approximately $12,000 - $15,000. Peerless
pool will also be closed on Tuesdays; therefore we will realize additional savings in the transportation cost.
Commissioner Kim confirmed the original proposal of saving $9,000+ is not happening.
Linda advised that is correct.
Commissioner Kim stated for the Council to not take this step is putting the cart before the horse. Not
making the cut that was originally proposed is counter productive.
Commissioner Ivins asked how many people go to the various sites. Are they walking therefore needing
transportation to a central site?
Linda Terricola stated the sites include the south side, west side and Geyser. They have transportation
that picks up the campers on the south side and the west side. The main location has been Geyser Park.
There are 48 kids being transported.
Commissioner Scirocco stated there is nothing going on at the eastside.
Linda advised no, that is Camp Saradac’s location.
Commissioner Franck confirmed that they are putting the kids all in one area therefore they are able to
reduce the amount of staff required.
Linda stated that was correct.
Mayor Johnson stated since the cost saving was under $10,000, he thought the community would
appreciate leaving it and not being further inconvenienced.
Mayor Johnson pulled this item from the agenda.
Discussion and Vote: Saratoga County Children’s Committee Donation (09-121)
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to accept the donation of $4,000 from the
Saratoga County Children ’s Committee.
Linda Terricola stated this money is used for scholarships for the Camp Saradac program. With the
$26,000 received from the Holly Foundation, this donation brings them over $30,000 for scholarships.
Ayes – All
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Discussion and Vote: Referral to Planning Board for Advisory Opinion of Rezoning Request – 36 Nelson
Avenue
Mayor Johnson stated Mike Toohey; attorney for the applicant is here to explain the rezoning request.
Mike Toohey stated they are looking for a referral to the planning board. This is the Vanderbilt farm south
of the thoroughbred track. The property has been zoned for rural residential. They are proposing to
rezone it as an institutional horse track. They would like to upgrade the structures on the property for the
staff that live there.
Commissioner Franck asked if they could move this item to the next meeting because they just assessed
this property. If this is changed midstream, there could be a tremendous swing on the assessment of this
property. He has concerns with forwarding this until he receives answers from the attorneys.
Mike Toohey stated he didn’t feel that should stop the process of referring to the planning board as it is
only an advisory opinion. The Council still would still have the option to turn down the opinion of the
planning board.
Commissioner Kim advised we will be having budget workshops; maybe this can be addressed during
one of those meetings.
Mike Toohey agreed to adjourn for the 2 weeks.
Discussion and Vote: Referral to Planning Board for Advisory Opinion of Rezoning Request – 82 Franklin
Street (09-122)
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to refer the rezoning request of 82 Franklin
Street to the planning board.
Mike Toohey stated this property is where the West Side Stadium Café exists. The Planning Department
took a hard look at the zoning map and found that where the Franklin Street name is there is another
zone. There was a single family home there years ago on that site and the downtown business zone
encompasses that square. The square is too small to build a house on it but it also prevents them from
making any improvements on the lot. They are trying to merge the UR-3 zone into the Transect 6 zone.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Referral to Planning Board for Advisory Opinion of Modification to Existing Zoning
Amendment Petition – 69 Lake Avenue (09-123)
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Franck seconded to refer the modification to the existing
zoning amendment petition for 69 Lake Avenue to the planning board for an advisory opinion .
Mayor Johnson advised this is the property that is adjacent to the military property. The request is to
change the zoning from TR-5 use district to a neighborhood complementary use district.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Authorization for the Mayor to Sign Harris Beach Agreement for an On-going
Investigation of the DEC (09-124)
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to authorize the mayor to sign an
agreement with Harris Beach to cap legal fees in total not to be in excess of $60,000 for the on-going
defense of the City against the DEC.
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Mayor Johnson stated there were threats levied against the City based upon serious allegations of
environmental concerns at the DPW garage and the compost facility. There was a cap of $10,000 not
knowing the complexity of the case. We were able to take a majority of the fines levied against the city
and put it back into projects. The attorneys did have a very benefit result of over $1 million of saved. The
amendment is for a compensation fee that is in excess of the original cap, but not to exceed $60,000. The
fees to date are roughly $52,000.
Commissioner Ivins stated this amount was encumbered from 2008 so there is no 2009 impact.
Commissioner Kim stated he is going to vote against this. They asked to see the bills and never have.
We authorized a $10,000 cap at $250 per hour and it is possible they spent an additional 200 hours on
this. Not only should he see the bills, but the public should see them.
Commissioner Scirocco stated he could vouch for a lot of the expenses. He had a lot of involvement with
Harris Beach on this. He can also say they are working with Barton and Loguidice to put together the
information for the DEC so this can be closed out.
Commissioner Kim asked Commissioner Scirocco if he saw the bills.
Commissioner Scirocco stated he did.
Commissioner Kim wants to know why he hasn’t been able to see them. This is the kind of information
that should be provided to the Council at minimum. If there is nothing to hide, why can’t the bills be
provided?
Mayor Johnson stated he takes exception to the comment of ‘something to hide’. This item has been
discussed at almost every executive session they’ve had. The firm only came to resolution with him on
April 29th.
Commissioner Franck asked if there is any way this can be tabled. Since there will be meetings next
week for the budget, could we hold this until next week.
Mayor Johnson stated this bill has been waiting long enough.
Commissioner Scirocco stated they have put this off a couple times. Harris Beach has done a great job.
He is ready to vote on this.
Mayor Johnson asked Commissioner Ivins if he had any comment or thought on this.
Ayes – 3
Nays – 2 (Commissioner Franck & Commissioner Kim)
Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to Sign Supplemental Agreements with Earth Tech for
Spring Run Trail (09-125)
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to authorize the mayor to sign
supplemental agreements with Earth Tech with the revision as proposed for Spring Run Trail.
Brad Birge advised this is a great opportunity for the City to bring this project to completion. They
received a list from the Capital District Transportation Committee of the projects that are eligible for
stimulus funding. The Spring Run Trail project has been on that list. In order to move it forward to the
bidding process, they have to approve a contract and do a final update on the design specs, which is
100% reimbursable through the federal dollars. The second contract with Earth Tec is for construction
and inspection contract, also 100% reimbursable through federal funds.
Commissioner Kim asked what the assurance is if this is approved by Council and don’t get the funding.
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Brad stated there is no absolute guarantee for any of the stimulus funds. It is a first come first serve list.
Commissioner Kim stated he is concerned that someone in this building is going to go forward with this
project assuming the Council approved it even though we may not have received the stimulus funding.
He is just making sure this agreement doesn’t give someone the right to go forward.
Brad advised the construction inspection contract would not be put into place unless actually selected and
approved for construction.
Commissioner Kim asked if that contract would come back to the Council at a later date for approval.
Mayor Johnson stated the contract can be revised to state they will not go forward on this project without
the stimulus money. His understanding is the engineering and design is something that needs to be done
in order to qualify for the stimulus money.
Brad stated that is correct; the updated costs need to be established and on the list.
Ayes - All
Discussion: Update on Lillian’s Lot Purchase
Mayor Johnson announced the city attorney has in his possession the contract by the purchaser. The
purchaser is more than interested in this contract. He expects to have a final update in the next couple of
weeks.
Accounts Department
Announcement: Coin Drop
Commissioner Franck stated he wanted to share his findings regarding the Vehicle and Traffic Law
1157C. His investigation showed 1157 stated no person shall stand in the road to sell something; 1157B
states no person shall stand on or in proximity to a street or highway for the purpose of soliciting, the
watching or guarding of any vehicle while parked or about to be parked on a street or highway. Section C
is the newest part effective 1967 states no person shall occupy any part of a state highway except in a city
or village in any manner for the purpose of selling or soliciting. Section C is contradictory to Sections ‘A’ &
‘B’.
Commissioner Franck stated in 2004 there was a committee set up by Commissioners Towne and Curley
to make sure the coin drops were safe and legal under state law. This committee decided there will be
two locations. Assistant City Attorney Tony Izzo had reviewed the law. Commissioner Franck read a
memo written by Tony Izzo which explained his interpretation of the law and how the committee came up
with what they did. Commissioner Franck spoke with Chief Moore and reviewed 1157C. The senate bill
S5014-A discusses roadways, not highways. Roadways mean the side of the road; highways mean curb
to curb. He spoke with NYCOM and learned the way you find out about a bill is to go to the bill jacket.
The bill jacket is the all the parts of the bill and it explains how they got to the current bill. One of the
points made in the bill jacket section 1157 is not intended to encroach on the ability of cities and villages
to regulate the selling and soliciting. The bill leaves local regulation to local governing bodies. The bill is
not intended to and will not interfere with farmers selling fruits and vegetable on their own land but will
curb the ‘gypsy’ type activities on the state highways right of ways outside the limits of cities and villages.
In 1965 and 1966, they tried to push this basic bill through. The bill couldn’t get through because local
governments wanted to be able to have control of permitting this process. He found a case through
NYCOM that was similar to this case from 1985. The case had to do with vending vs. coin drops in the
Village of East Hampton. The decision was made that the village, by local law, may regulate the vending
of wares from vehicles on a state highway located within the village. Such a local law must be consistent
with the general laws of the state including the general business law and may not infringe upon the
constitutional rights of vendors. Therefore a village enactment regulating vending from vehicles on state
highways would not be inconsistent with Subdivision ‘C’ and would be permissible if statutory authority if
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an ordinance or permit process exists. In summary a village by local law my regulate vending from
vehicles on state highways located in villages. Any local law must be consistent with local laws. He
spoke with Chief Moore and his concern was clearly he didn’t want to break the law. Commissioner
Franck’s suggestion is to re-permit the people who have missed their coin drops and go to the attorney
general to get an opinion because this is contradictory. The fire department would also like to submit this
information to the MDA’s attorney. Under the charter or state law, only the mayor or city attorney can ask
for the attorney general’s opinion.
Mayor Johnson stated he would be happy to follow up with this issue. What do we do until we get a
decision from the attorney general?
Commissioner Franck stated he will leave it up to public safety; if they don’t feel comfortable, they won’t
go forward.
Commissioner Kim stated he doesn’t have any problem with this going to the attorney general. They had
asked the district attorney to look into this. The DA told them that this was legal; they are going to go
forward with it. The DA’s office came up a with a 2 page memo that he will share with the Council. It is
clear that the City cannot trump state law. There was a case in Long Island where someone was licensed
for a veteran’s organization to do solicitation and the court said you can’t trump state law. It seems like
Section ‘A’ prohibits it, but Section ‘C’ seems to allow it on state highways. Public Safety’s intent was
always to do what they needed according to the law. He would be happy to sit with Commissioner Franck
and Chief Moore to decide what they are going to do in the interim.
Commissioner Franck stated he appreciated that. He presented the bill jacket to the Council.
Discussion: Condominium Resolution
Commissioner Franck stated after two public hearings on the condominium resolution, he will bring the
resolution to vote at the next Council meeting on May 19th. There is now a companion bill.
Announcement: Condominium Resolution Public Hearing
Commissioner Franck announced the second public hearing has been sent for Monday, May 18th at 6:30
p.m. in the City Council Room to allow more of the public to comment.
Announcement: Grievance Day
Commissioner Franck announced that grievance day has been set for Tuesday, May 26th from 9 a.m. – 12
noon, 1 p.m. – 4:30 p.m., and 7 p.m. – 9 p.m. in the City Council Room.
Announcement: Guide to Archives
The City’s Guide to the Archives was originally created by then City Historian Bea Sweeney in 1978
through a grant from the National Historic Publications and Records Committee. Since then, the guide
has gone through several revisions, the most recent of which was done by a professional archivist and
historian, James Corsaro, hired last year with funds from a Records Management grant from the New
York State Archives and Records Administration.
As Commissioner of Accounts, he wears many hats, including the City Assessor, the City Purchasing
Agent and the City Records Management Officer. Since he took office, one of his primary goals has been
to increase and improve public accessibility to information. We have done this through our online
assessment information, electronic distribution of bids, improving the timeliness of the posting of Board
and Council minutes to the website and now he is pleased to announce that we have an online version of
the Guide to the Archives on our website to assist researchers in their hunt for information. Go to
www.saratoga-springs.org and it is listed in the center of the home page for easy reference.
Announcement: How to Grieve Assessment Class
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Commissioner Franck announced that a class on how to grieve assessments will be held May 13th from 6
p.m. – 8 p.m. n the music hall, 3rd floor of City Hall.
Discussion and Vote: Resolution to Change Polling Place (09-126)
Commissioner Franck moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to adopt the resolution to change
polling place as read.
BE IT RESOLVED , by the City Council of the City of Saratoga Springs as follows:
WHEREAS , the designation of polling places in the City is a matter of importance to the public; and
WHEREAS , section 4-104 of the Election Law authorizes the Saratoga County Board of Election to designate suitable
polling places in the City; and
WHEREAS , this Council finds that the addition of a new polling place in the City will benefit the public by providing added
convenience and accessibility, and that this new place is designated as the Lincoln Bath House, South Broadway, and
WHEREAS , the City Council further finds that the use of the Saratoga Springs City Center as a polling place is no longer
suitable and that its use for that purpose should be discontinued,
BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED , that this City Council hereby recommends to the County Board of Elections that the
above named place be added to the list of polling places in the City of Saratoga Springs and used for all elections in the
City in the same manner as other designated polling places, and it is further,
RESOLVED , that this City Council recommends to the County Board of Elections to discontinue the use of the Saratoga
Springs City Center as a polling place, and it is further,
RESOLVED , that a copy of this resolution be forwarded to the County Board of Elections and to the County Commissioners
of Elections.
Commissioner Kim asked if everyone who currently goes to the City Center will now be going to the
Lincoln Baths.
Commissioner Franck advised that is correct.
Mayor Johnson stated there was also an issue with the serving of alcohol at the City Center for events on
election nights. That is in violation of the election law.
Commissioner Scirocco stated his concern is notifying the public on the change.
Commissioner Kim asked if the schools can be used.
Commissioner Franck stated the schools are currently being used.
Ayes - All
Discussion and Vote: Award of Bid to Ferguson Waterworks for Water, Sewer, Pipes, fittings, hydrants,
etc. (09-127)
Commissioner Franck moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded the award of bid for water, sewer,
pipes, fittings, hydrants, etc. to Ferguson Waterworks in the amount of $358,738.28 .
Commissioner Kim stated the difference in the bids is $20,000. Based upon what was said, are any of the
problems with the vendor going to cost us $20,000 so that we are not getting much out of it.
Commissioner Scirocco stated they did have problems with Ferguson in the past. The vendor was based
in Syracuse when they first had problems with them. They did have problems with them last year. The
director of public works made an on site visit and assured them that the vendor had everything that DPW
needed.
Bill McTygue stated the total bid amount the Council is looking out is a summation of unit costs. The
numbers presented does not mean DPW is going to purchase that full amount of pipe, fittings, valves, etc.
Ayes - All
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Finance Department
Discussion: 1st Quarter 2009 Financial Report
Commissioner Ivins stated as of the end of March, 47% of our property tax has been collected; last year at
this time we were at 45%. Most of the new fees implemented for DPS for 2009 are at or above; 25%
collected. As of the end of March, the City has not received many of the larger revenue streams. We
have only collected 22% of our revenues up to end of the 1st quarter. The contributions to events and
outside organizations the Mayor’s office made have been paid in full as of the end of March. More
discounts were taken last year on taxes; our liability insurance has been paid for the full year. Most
departments are running about 25% which is on target and consistent with previous years.
Discussion: Preliminary 2008 Year End Report
Commissioner Ivins stated there is preliminary 2008 year end report is un-audited. The annual audit will
begin May 26th. The general fund balance is $7,719,630.00 as of the end of December; the
unreserved/unappropriated amount is $3.8 million. The reason for the difference is some of the money is
encumbered for certain things. We did have a surplus of over $800,000. The reserved appropriated fund
balance is made up of $1,545,000.00 encumbrances; $1,331,000.00 is in capital reserves for acquiring
real property and improving municipal facilities, $78,000 is reserved for miscellaneous improvements,
$929,000 is appropriated to balance the 2009 adopted budget. Property taxes went up 10% last year.
We did not collect to date $466,000 for future years – biggest portion is $76,365.40 coming from NYRA.
All other state aid was strong. State sales tax increased by 1.5% but failed to meet budget. State aid
revenue sharing reached an all time high of $1,729,000.00, up from $1,739,000.00. Rental of city facilities
was up $77,000 more than budgeted and up $50,000 more than 2007; transfer station bags increased
$19,000 over 2007. Mortgage tax receipts decreased and was short of budget by $230,000. Parking
ticket revenue decreased by $109,000, NYRA admission tax decreased by $23,000 and was $36,000 less
than budgeted. Health insurance costs increased $546,000 as a result of rate increases. Payments to
the police and fire retirement system increased 164,000 as a result of rate increases, and payments to
NYS Retirement for employees other than police and fire decreased by $79,000. Contingency was
budgeted for $430,000, only $69,000 was used. The water fund ended with a balance of $342,000. The
sewer fund balance for 2008 was $157,000. Overall it was an ok year. We need to meet the challenges
ahead.
Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to Sign Contract with Loose Cannon (09128)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Mayor Johnson seconded to authorize the Mayor to sign a contract
with Loose Cannon for the All-American Celebration 2009.
Commissioner Ivins advised this is a band who is a headliner for the July 4th celebration.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Accept Donations – Saratoga’s All-American Celebration (09-129)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Franck seconded to accept donations from the
Gideon Putnam for $500, Longfellow ’s for $125.00 , Olde Bryan Inn for $125.00 , Cudney ’s for $100.00 ,
Wesley Foundation for $100.00, Roohan Realty for $100.00 , and Clements Insurance Agency for
$100.00 for the Saratoga All-American Celebration.
Ayes - All
Discussion and Vote: Budget Gap Resolution
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Franck seconded to adopt the resolution as read.
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
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SARATOGA SPRINGS, NEW YORK
WHEREAS , the economic outlook affecting the City’s fiscal year 2009 has gotten
bleaker with the deepening financial woes of our country and concerns of our
citizens; and
WHEREAS , the City of Saratoga Springs will not receive the VLT aid budgeted for
2009, and has seen a reduction in sales tax and other vital income in 2009 due to said
economic conditions ; and
WHEREAS , the City cannot levy more taxes for 2009 and taxpayers of the City of
Saratoga Springs cannot afford a double-digit tax increase for 2010; and
WHEREAS , the City Council of the City of Saratoga Springs must mitigate the
negative affects of both reduced revenues and economic hardship on taxpayers;
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED as follows:
1. The City will maintain a hiring freeze on full time positions effective May 6, 2009
through December 31, 2009.
2. The Commissioner of the Department must explore other reasonable options,
other than refilling the position, before approaching the Council.
3. When a position vacancy arises, the Commissioner in charge of that Department
must demonstrate to the Council at a regularly scheduled meeting that the position
is essential and therefore should be filled.
4. The City Council must approve by simple majority the filling of each vacancy
before any further action is taken.
NOW BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED :
1. That the City Council directs the Mayor and the contract team to negotiate the
cost-cutting measures of furlough and early retirement memorandums of
understanding with each of the City’s seven unions for the possibility of
implementation by July 1, 2009.
Commissioner Ivins stated he has received a lot of comments since his presentation last week. He
brought the hiring freeze before the Council last fall and is bringing it forward again. The second portion is
items brought up at the council table and in the public. All this is, is having the mayor start the
conversations; furloughs and early retirement can’t happen without the union agreement.
Commissioner Franck stated relating to hiring, it would seem we would want to table #1 as it would have
to be within the budget to hire someone anyway. Items #3 and 4, the charter states each department is
responsible for their own budget, so if their budget can support the hiring of someone, they don’t have to
go through council approval. He has no problem with the mayor being able to negotiate.
Commissioner Ivins stated the reason he brought this back up is because when they come back they can
identify the positions that are already vacant and now we have a hiring freeze in place, these are some of
the dollars being affected that are already on the table.
Commissioner Franck stated if we go forward with this resolution, we can’t hire a building inspector. He is
not sure if we can legally do this.
Commissioner Scirocco stated he is not ready to support this. The mayor already has the authority to
negotiate this stuff. We already made our cuts in the beginning of the year and no one knows what the
number is that we are trying to reach. They are trying to live within their budget right now. He brought
forward re-classifications of some positions in his department to save money. A hiring freeze would put
us in a bad position if someone left and it is a critical position in the city.
Commissioner Kim stated he is not going to support this. The final ‘be it resolved’ portion says the City
Council directs the mayor and contract team to negotiate cost cutting measures of furlough and early
retirement – it is insane. We just voted to increase the Harris Beach contract and this is the same firm we
hired to negotiate. Each commissioner has to deal with those unions and people; we also have a human
resource director that should be involved. The full investigation of the pool eligible for retirement hasn’t
been done. He could have this done in about a week with his workforce, but that would require the Mayor
or the Commissioner of Finance to reach out to him. Also, Commissioner Scirocco is right – we don’t
know what we are shooting for – we are groping in the dark. It is up to the Commissioner of Finance to
give us those numbers. Public Safety has dispatch positions open. The mayor just hired a new assistant
for the Urban Cultural Center; a half time title. It is more important to him to have a dispatcher than a
brown bag lunch in the park. Essential city services have to be defined before we determine layoffs or
how we are going to do any of these issues. He is not going to support this because it doesn’t do
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anything to really solve the problem; it is a political thing the Commissioner of Finance did to say he
proposed a hiring freeze. Public Safety is managing their budget well; they are not spending all their
money. This resolution is to spend more money on lawyers.
Mayor Johnson reminded Commissioner Kim that he was offered a consult free of charge with Harris
Beach, but he refused. Harris Beach wanted Commissioner Kim’s input regarding what they should be
doing when it comes to negotiating his department’s contract; but Commissioner Kim refused. Mayor
Johnson reminded everyone that there are ground rules when negotiating contracts. Those ground rules
prohibit him from going into detail, but he does try to update the Council when he can. Ultimately it goes
back to the Council for acceptance or rejection of any proposed contract. Because of this he can’t
address some of Commissioner Kim’s allegations of where things stand. He also can’t vote for the
resolution because he views it as violating the ground rules of the negotiations and his responsibility to the
unions. This is not for or against Commissioner Ivins proposal.
Commissioner Kim stated the mayor did ask if he would like to sit down with Harris Beach. He then asked
the mayor to go back to the meeting minutes of 2008 as Harris Beach is no longer authorize to negotiate
on our behalf. He invited all to go back to the meeting minutes when the Harris Beach contract was
approved; there were 2 contracts, one for the labor agreements, and one which is a retainer – we are
sending them $2400 per month whether they answer a question or not. Both of those contracts had a 3 –
2 motion for Harris Beach to negotiate up until 12/31/2008. The contract that was ultimately signed was
for 2 years, but the motion this City Council approved was for less. They have continued to negotiate
those contracts and we’ve continued to pay them. If there has been an update on the contracts in
executive session, he must have been asleep because he hasn’t heard about one of them.
Mayor Johnson advised the contract that was attached to the motion to retain Harris Beach was a 2 year
contract. If Commissioner Kim doesn’t read the attachments, that is his issue.
Commissioner Franck suggested tabling this and bringing it up during the budget workshops.
Commissioner Ivins stated he is pulling this and will have a finalized figure for the budget workshops as
that is the appropriate place to discuss that. He brought this up to get the ball rolling; the early retirement
was suggestion by Commissioner Scirocco and Commissioner Kim, the furlough was a suggestion by
Commissioner Franck, and the hiring freeze was something he mentioned before and was brought to his
attention again by the public.
Discussion: City Finances
Commissioner Ivins set the budget workshops as follows: Monday, May 11th from noon to 1:45 p.m.,
Monday, May 18th at 6:50 p.m. or immediately following the condo resolution public hearing, and Tuesday,
May 19th at 6 p.m. just before our next City Council Meeting. There is little break on mortgage tax – we are
ahead $126,000; occupancy tax is down slightly from 2008.
Public Works Department
Discussion and Vote: Authorization to Extend the Contract with C.T. Male – Landfill Post Closure
Monitoring Services (09-130)
Commissioner Scirocco moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to extend the contract with C.T.
Male for the landfill post-closure monitoring services which allows city to enter into a second year of
the contract.
Commissioner Scirocco stated the original RFP called for a 2 year agreement.
Aye - All
Discussion and Vote: Authorization for the Mayor to Sign a Contract with Ryan-Biggs (09-131)
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Commissioner Scirocco moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to authorize the mayor to sign a
contract with Ryan Briggs for professional services for structural assessment of the existing
grandstand at the East Side Recreation football field .
Commissioner Scirocco stated the City has blocked off the grandstand after observing deterioration of the
floor planks making it off limits to the public. The amount of the contract is $2,000 plus reimbursable
expenses. We decided to hire a structural engineer at the last City Council meeting. He met with
representative from Ryan-Biggs last week and we will know within a week or so what the findings are. He
will provide everyone with a copy of the findings.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to Sign an Agreement with Creighton Manning – Church
Street Reconstruction
Commissioner Scirocco moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to authorize the mayor to sign a
contract with Creighton Manning contingent upon review by the city attorney. (09-119)
Paul Male advised there are 3 agreements to look at in regards to Church Street. The first contract is for
the DOT agreement #2. This is to increase the preliminary phase of engineering by $50,005 from
$228,500 to $278,505. The increase includes a roundabout alternative and additional work submitted
under the stimulus funding package. The funding will not be funding 100% under stimulus; it will be
funded 80% by federal, 15% by state, and 5% by the city. The City’s responsibility will increase from
$14,275 to $21,535.77 for an increase of $7,260.77.
Commissioner Kim asked what guarantee do we have of getting the stimulus money.
Paul Male advised the money is available on a first come first serve basis. This project is a much faster
track; they hope to have it bid and on the street in the next couple of weeks.
Commissioner Kim asked if we don’t get the money, what is our contingency.
Paul advised this has been funded; this is a capital budget project. Additional things were added under
the stimulus portion. If the stimulus money doesn’t happen, we pull that portion out of the project.
Ayes – All
aul Male stated the second resolution is also a DOT one as well. This will be 100% federally funded for
the construction and construction inspection phase. The total cost is $2.75 million. The City will not have
to pay our 5%, so we will save about $138,000. We talked about using this money to extend our 12’
waterline.
Commissioner Scirocco moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to authorize the mayor to sign a
resolution with the state for stimulus money; NYS DOT Federal Aid Local Project Agreement. (09-120)
Mayor Johnson asked if this should be subject to city attorney review.
Paul will have Joe Scala take a look at it.
Ayes – All
Paul Male stated the 3rd one is to take action on the supplemental consultant agreement for additional
design services and construction administration and inspection services with Creighton Manning.
Creighton Manning is asking to do the work of the 2 resolutions just approved. It will increase their
contract from $240,000 to $540,000. This includes the $50,000 for design, $13,000 for construction
supervision, and $242,000 for construction inspection. The construction supervision and construction will
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be funded 100% under the stimulus package; the City will be responsible for the additional preliminary
design mentioned earlier.
Commissioner Scirocco moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to authorize the mayor to sign the
supplemental consultant agreement with Creighton Manning. (09-133)
Mayor Johnson asked if this went through the city attorney review.
Commissioner Scirocco advised it had.
Ayes – All
Announcement: Opening of Carousel
Commissioner Scirocco announced the carousel will open May 10th. During the month of May, the
carousel will be open Fridays and Saturdays; during Memorial Day weekend it will be open Sunday and
Monday from 11 a.m. to dusk. Starting in June the carousel will be open Tuesday – Sunday 11 a.m. to
dusk; closed on Mondays for maintenance and repairs.
Announcement: Compost Material for Sale
Commissioner Scirocco announced compost is now available for delivery and pick up. Pick up is a
minimum of 2 yards at $15 per yard and delivery inside the City is $112 for 7 yards or $154 for 7 yards
outside the City within 10 miles of the compost site. They will be at the compost site on Saturday 5/9 and
5/16 from 8 a.m. – 12 p.m.
Announcement: Household Hazardous Waste Day
Commissioner Scirocco stated the household hazardous waste day will be May 30th from 8 a.m. – 1:30
p.m. Starting tomorrow you can call DPW at 587-3550 ext. 2563 for an appointment. Proof of residency
will be required.
Discussion and Vote: Resolution for the City Council to Act as Lead Agency in the Geyser Crest Wellfield
(09-134)
Commissioner Scirocco moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to authorize the City Council to act
as lead agency in the Geyser Crest Wellfield project.
Commissioner Scirocco stated the project needs to be treated as a Type 1 action. Federal stimulus
money is funding the grant program. The first step in the SEQRA process for the Geyser Crest Wellfield
project is to pass a resolution of its intent to serve as lead agency. The resolution was read as follows:
WHEREAS , the Project is an “action” as defined by the State Environmental Quality
Review Act (SEQRA); and
WHEREAS , Part 1 of the Long Environmental Assessment Form (LEAF) has been
completed and circulated to all Involved Agencies for establishing the City Council as “Lead
Agency” in accordance with 6NYCRR Part 617.6 for the purpose of conducting a SEQRA/SERP
review of the Project; and
WHEREAS , it is the intent of the Council to assume the role of “Lead Agency” for
purposes of Project environmental review.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED AND DETERMINED , that this Council has circulated said Long
Environmental Assessment Form to the following “Involved Agencies” under cover of the
attached “Notice of Intent to Establish Lead Agency” letter for purposes of establishing Lead
Agency status under SEQRA/SERP:
• New York State Environmental Facilities Corporation;
• New York State Department of Health;
• New York State Energy Research & Development Authority;
• Saratoga County Planning Department;
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• Saratoga County Department of Public Works;
• Environmental Notice Bulletin c/o Business Environmental Publishing, Inc.;
• Department of the Army, Corp of Engineers
RESOLVED , that the Mayor, together with the City Council, and the City’s Engineers
are hereby authorized to take all actions, serve all notices, and complete all documents in order to
give full force and effect to this determination.
Commissioner Scirocco advised this has the potential of $35 million dollars of funding. The NYS
Environmental Facilities Corporation has established a new program called the Green Innovation Grant
Program. This grant is designed to preserve and create jobs for economic recovery and invest in
environment protection and green innovation to provide short and long term economic benefits.
Role Call:
Commissioner Franck – Aye
Commissioner Ivins – Aye
Mayor Johnson – Aye
Commissioner Scirocco – Aye
Commissioner Kim - Aye
Announcement: Street Paving Schedule
Commissioner Scirocco announced the following streets will be paved starting May 18th:
o 5/18 - milling Woodlawn Ave. from Division St. to Church St.
o 5/19 - milling Long Alley from Division Street to the Adirondack Trust driveway and paving Weibel
Avenue from Louden Road to Danielle’s Bridal Shop
o 5/20 – paving Long Alley from Division Street to the Adirondack Trust driveway and paving
Woodlawn Ave. from Division St. to Church St.
Announcement:
Commissioner Scirocco advised the Council of damage at the Visitor’s Center at the front right corner. It
appears to be water damage and has popped out the stucco. It is a low bearing wall that created this
problem. They would like to go in there with Titan roofing and put in a 6 x 8 beam to support the portion of
the roof that is pushing down on the corner of the roof. We are looking at $3,000 - $4,000 to get this done
and put an extension on the roof. He doesn’t know where they are going to go with this next. There is no
money in the buildings’ budget to do the work. Debbie LaBreche, Assistant City Engineer looked at it
again today and thinks it has pushed out a little more. They need someone to come in a do an
assessment. They are going to go ahead and put the jack stud in to take the weight off the corner.
Debbie thinks we need to do that now to save any more problems.
Commissioner Franck asked if there is any risk of this collapsing or a need to close this down.
Commissioner Scirocco stated there is no risk if they do this. They will be trying to do the work this week.
Commissioner Ivins stated we can find $3,000 somewhere.
Public Safety Department
Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to Sign Contract with Arace and Company Consulting LLC
for a Project Labor Agreement (09-135)
Commissioner Kim moved and Commissioner Franck seconded to authorize the mayor to sign a
contract with Arace for a study regarding the feasibility of a project labor agreement for the High Rock
site in the amount of $18, 500.
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Commissioner Kim apologized for the miscommunication with the consultant. He was going to come and
describe what they are going to do. They have received city attorney and Risk & Safety approval on this
contract.
Mayor Johnson asked how they chose this firm.
Commissioner Kim stated there is only a handful of organizations that do this; some are law firms some
are economic forecasting firms such as this one. They did not bid this out as professional services do not
require it.
Commissioner Ivins confirmed that the money is coming out of the police station design money.
Commissioner Kim stated that is correct.
Commissioner Franck stated it is good that Commissioner Kim is bringing this forward; PLAs are very
important. Other firms that have been looked at for this have been in the range of $20,000 - $40,000.
Mayor Johnson stated he doesn’t see a proposed timeframe to complete the project. He asked for that to
be added to the contract.
Deputy Commissioner Finneran stated they will add that.
Commissioner Ivins has additional questions that he wants to ask the bidders about High Rock. He will
be checking with Commissioner Franck on one of the questions to see if he is even allowed to ask it.
Once he confirms if he can ask that one question, he will pass his questions around to the Council.
Mayor Johnson asked if we know if we can do this analysis without violating the current bid proposals.
Commissioner Franck doesn’t think a PLA violates anything.
Commissioner Ivins stated one of his questions for the bidders is will a PLA affect their bid.
Commissioner Franck stated it is clear from the City Center and the recreation center that WICKS will
apply.
Ayes - All
Announcement: COPS Technology Grant Award
Commissioner Kim announced that they received a grant in the amount of $244,000. The original request
submitted to Congresswoman Gillibrand was for training in tactical equipment. They do a lot of crowd
control at SPAC, the racetrack and Caroline Street. The idea was to get a grant for some of the training
they need to do but also for the specialized equipment. They don’t have details of what it will be funding;
that is part of their negotiation.
Commissioner Ivins asked if this would cover the overtime involved with the training.
Commissioner Kim stated it would. They’ve been trying to get people to come here to save costs.
Typically when they do this training they train one of our officers to train others.
Discussion and Vote: Military Pay
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Commissioner Kim moved and Commissioner Franck seconded to Sgt Jason Tetu be credited with 22,
10 hour days fo r a total of 220 hours at a cost of an additiona l $1,355.31 for military pay leave.
Commissioner Kim stated Jason Tetu is a military reservist. The military credits 22 military days that the
City picks up. It is ambiguous as to if those days are 8 or 10 hour days. Jason is the only sergeant who
serves a 10 hour, 4 day a week shift. This swing shift sergeant saves us on overtime by working the
busiest days of the week. The issue is what he will be reimbursed is ambiguous and this will allow us to
reimburse him for a true 10 hour day rather than an 8 hour day.
Commissioner Ivins doesn’t have a problem with this; but he also doesn’t want to set a precedent. Maybe
wording can be placed in there explaining this is based upon a predetermined schedule for a period of
time. He is not opposed to approve this pending finalizing the wording with legal counsel.
Commissioner Kim stated they can put in the condition that this represents fiscal year of 2009 based upon
his contract of 4 days per week 10 hr days.
Commissioner Kim moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded that Sergeant Jason Tetu be credited
with 22, 10 hour days, a total of 220 hours at a cost of $1,355.31 in light of the unique circumstance
that he currently works a 10 hour shift for the police department .
Mayor Johnson asked how many police officers are reservists.
Commissioner Kim stated Jason and Capt. Biss are the only reservists. There are 3 or 4 reservists that
are firemen.
Commissioner Ivins mentioned we have firefighters that work ‘24’ hour shifts. We need to make sure we
are specific on this.
Commissioner Kim pulled this from his agenda and plans to address it again on May 11th.
Discussion and Vote: Resolution in Support of Open Meeting Bill (09-136)
Commissioner Kim moved and Commissioner Franck seconded to adopt this resolution in support of
the Open Meetings Bill (A2046 & S3453) as presented to the Council and a certified copy will be sent
to Governor Paterson.
Commissioner Kim asked if they want to waive the reading.
Mayor Johnson stated they will waive the reading. He wanted to know how this modifies the present open
meetings law. Does it afford taxpayers additional remedies to challenge something?
Commissioner Kim advised that is correct. His understanding is the bill is the same but labeled differently.
It gives taxpayers a way of challenging a city council, town or school board from violating the open public
meetings law. It adds remedies that were not previously there.
Deputy Commissioner Kate Jarosh stated the fine mentioned in the bill is $500.
Commissioner Ivins stated he is for open meetings, but if a taxpayer have a council fined, it ultimately is
the taxpayer paying the fine.
Mayor Johnson stated the theory and context makes sense; you are not going to argue against open
meetings bills being passed. Is there a reason we are putting this through now without having looked at
the bills?
Commissioner Kim stated it is his understanding that the governor has 10 days to review these. They just
became aware of this through an editorial in the Post Star on May 2nd. The bill has passed both houses
and awaits the governor’s signature to become law. It allows the courts to determine if there has been a
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material violation of the open meetings law and the court can then post fines for a citizen who challenges
the actions. The open meetings law exists but there are no penalties now.
Ayes - All
Discussion and Vote: Waiver of Bid for Fire Engine Bodywork (09-137)
Commissioner Kim moved and Commissioner Franck seconded to waive a bid for bodywork to a fire
engine in the amount of $4,400.00.
Commissioner Kim stated this request is to waive a bid in the amount of $4,400.00 for bodywork that can
be done while the engine is apart for other work without any additional costs for taking the engine apart.
When the engine was taken apart, it was clear that repair for corrosion on the cab, replacement of
regulators, and weather stripping was needed. They are asking for a waiver of bid because it is there.
Assistant Chief Betor asked Roberts and Nichols Fire Apparatus and Kaiser Autobody if they would
compete with the quote the city is getting. Both places stated they wouldn’t give a quote without seeing
the vehicle, which would require the engine to be put back together. In the end, this is saving the City
money to get the work done while the engine is apart.
Commissioner Franck stated he only concern is getting a purchase order before any of the work is done.
Ayes - All
Announcement: Indoor Recreation Center
Commissioner Kim announced he sent a letter today to the Commissioner of the Department of Labor
regarding the modified stop bid order dated April 8, 2009 in regards to the recreation center. It is his
understanding that the mayor and city attorney negotiated a modified bid order, but when he reads the
charter, the charter states the mayor has the authority to negotiate this but he must obtain council
approval prior to entering into final agreements. He is making sure the state understands that the council
hasn’t reviewed and approved the modified stop bid order. As far as he is concerned, the stop bid order is
not binding because this City Council has not reviewed and debated it. It is his impression we might be
discussing this at some point but didn’t see it on the agenda. Also, it is his understanding that we have
bulldozers out there and the Southside Neighborhood Association has filed an appellate brief. He doesn’t
know if the city has responded yet. They are asking the courts to stop the construction and if there has
been construction that has occurred, that construction should be reversed. That is an unacceptable risk
to the City. He has his own feelings about the claims that group is making. Facts remain that judges do
crazy things. There are no constraints on the City in terms of bonding; he thinks the better part of caution
would be to say lets see what happens with this lawsuit. We can also ask the courts to speed up the
decision. For us to spend money now is at risk. Appealing to the court of appeals is difficult. We need to
really think hard if we want to start a bulldozer digging while this is happening. Let’s try to get them to
expedite their decision, file our brief and move this along. Anything else is an unacceptable risk.
Mayor Johnson stated he didn’t receive anything from his office today of the copy of the letter to the Labor
Department. Also, Commissioner Kim professes to have the best interest of the City at stake, yet he sent
a letter to the Labor Department advocating they intervene and stop the project.
Commissioner Kim stated he did not do that.
Mayor Johnson reminded Commissioner Kim that he said the mayor made an unauthorized move to have
them issue a modified stop bid order. The consequence Commissioner Kim is seeking is for them to
intervene and stop the project. At the last Council meeting we disagreed about what the mayor’s authority
is – the mayor offered to bring this to the council even though it wasn’t necessary. That is a better option
than writing a letter to the labor department to ‘stir the pot’. This is not the first time Commissioner Kim
has intervened on this project. Months ago he wrote a letter to the Office of Parks and Preservation
seeking an opinion on alienation. He realizes Commissioner Kim is not happy with the project and would
rather build a police station instead. At some point you have to accept the fact the project is moving
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forward and you accept what is best for the community. You have to stop putting up roadblocks that can
only mean financial risk to the City. As far as the lawsuit from the Friends of the Southside Park - he
hasn’t received their brief. They are not seeking an injunction because they won’t get one. In order to do
that, you have to show the likelihood of success on the merits. That won’t happen because they were
thrown out of court by the lower court on every ground they alleged against the City. Here we have a
tactic to do what – buy more time. He has no intention of stopping this voluntarily and he will deal with the
labor department on the issues Commissioner Kim is now raising with them because it is totally improper
for him to be going outside his department. Commissioner Kim advocates at the Council table over and
over the commission form of government and his responsibilities and his prerogative in his realm. He
didn’t even have the decency of going to the mayor and say he proposes doing this. Mayor Johnson
asked Commissioner Kim to admit he is against this because he wants to build a police station first.
Commissioner Kim stated that is true that he wants to build a police station and he guarantees that’s what
most of the public wants. He said the mayor mischaracterized the letter. Commissioner Kim read the
letter he wrote to the dept of labor. The letter doesn’t do anything else but report the facts.
Mayor asked for what purpose does he feel he needs to write a letter to the labor department to report the
facts.
Commissioner Kim stated we have to abide by a charter. The charter was not followed. He gave the
mayor plenty of time and it wasn’t put on the agenda. We never received the stop bid order, the modified
stop bid order, or the new contract that Bast Hatfield is operating under. As he reads the stop bid order
there has to be a modified contract. Bast Hatfield was bidding out any of the contracts before and now
they are; that is a material change to the contract. It is interesting how this office does work; it is all
behind the scenes and not before the public. This is the public’s money.
Mayor Johnson stated Commissioner Kim is the advocate of open meetings law, but that is not the point.
The issue is not what the mayor has or hasn’t done; the issue is Commissioner Kim is not happy with the
way this project is taking off. They are building something in the City for a change.
Supervisors
Joanne Yepsen
County Veterans Committee
Supervisor Yepsen announced the County Veterans’ Committee meeting was cancelled today. Therefore
there is no update tonight.
Guardian House for Homeless Women Veterans
Supervisor Yepsen announced they are due to secure site procurement and are waiting to hear back on
first tier response. There are programs scheduled for later this month. The committee meets every 2
weeks. She will be talking about this project at a statewide VFW conference at the Queensbury Hotel this
weekend. There is an August fundraiser planned. The invited special guest is first lady Michele Paterson.
Sustainable Saratoga Activities
Supervisor Yepsen announced a speaker attended their meeting last week and spoke on residential
energy savings. The next meeting will be held the last week in May. The speaker at that meeting will be
Frank Dixon, who is an expert on corporate sustainability. They are sponsoring a bike to work day on
5/15. To learn more about sustainable Saratoga, go to the web site www.sustainablesaratoga.ming.com
Billy Grey Ride
Supervisor Yepsen announced the 5th annual Team Billy Ride and Walk for Research will take place on
May 17th at the Farmer’s Market. Billy was a resident of Saratoga Springs and died of a brain tumor in
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2001, just shy of his 13th birthday. This event has now raised over $900,000 for the National Brain Tumor
Society.
Matt Veitch
Geyser Road Trail Update
Supervisor Veitch stated they had their Geyser Road Trail meeting on 4/27. They met with their
engineers to obtain status of design work and survey. Alternatives for the trail were reviewed. Most of the
trail will fit within the existing right of way on geyser road. They will be getting cost estimates and also
soliciting donations from individuals. They want to meet with city officials to plan the next steps of the trail.
Trails Committee
Supervisor Veitch stated they had their last meeting on April 16th. Things are moving quickly on the
Wilton parcel with 99% of the trail completed. Now they need to do signage and clear brush.
Green Committee
Supervisor Veitch announced they met on 4/29 and had 3 presenters – Advanced Energy Panels, Chips
Landscaping, and Greenhouse Strategies. Advanced Energy Panels makes an energy panel that goes
over windows to keep things warm in the winter and cool in the summer. Chip’s Landscaping has a
rainwater collection system that allows them to collect the rainwater and reuse it for watering plants, etc.
Greenhouse Strategies makes LED street lighting that is a hardwired circuit that saves 15% of energy.
They last about 15 – 30 years. The next meeting will be 5/27.
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to adjourn the meeting.
Ayes - All
There being no further business, Mayor Johnson adjourned the meeting at 10:45p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Lisa Ribis
Approved: 5-19-2009
Vote: 5 - 0
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CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
City Council Meeting
May 5, 2009 City Council Room
06:50 PM P.H. - Condominium
Resolution
Print
7:00 PM
CALL TO ORDER
ROLL CALL
SALUTE TO FLAG
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD / 15 MINUTES
PRESENTATION(S):
1. Other Postemployment Benefits Actuarial Valuation
2. Project Labor Agreement
EXECUTIVE SESSION:
Discussion regarding proposed, pending or current litigation; personal private
information of a person or corporation, or matters leading to the appointment,
employment, promotion, demotion, discipline, suspension, dismissal or removal of
a person or corporation.
CONSENT AGENDA
1. Approval of 4-21-2009 City Council Minutes
2. Approve Budget Amendments
3. Approve Budget Transfers
4. Approve Payroll 4/24/09 $ 419,503.89
5. Approve Payroll 5/1/09 $ 404,476.77
6. Approve Warrant 2009 Mid MC3APR09 $529,584.11
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7. Approve Warrant 2009 Regular 1MAY09 $549,847.32
8. Award of Bid: Field Marking Lime to Allerdice
9. Award of Bid: Fire Sprinkler Inspection Services to Simplex Grinnell
10. Award of Bid: Granite Curb to Syrstone, Inc.
11. Award of Bid: Heavy Equipment Rental Standy Asphalt Rollers and Small Paving Machine to
Milton CAT (items 1 and 2), Anderson Equipment (items 3 and 4), and Admar Supply (item 5)
12. Award of Bid: Motor Vehicle Filters to Napa Auto Parts
13. Appointment: Patsy Berrigan as Commissioner of Deeds
14. Award of Bid: Precast Curb to The Fort Miller Company
15. Award of Bid: Precast Manholes, Catchbasins, Risers, Dry Wells and Frames and Covers to
The Fort Miller Co. and Syracuse Castings
16. Award of Bid: Water and Sewer Pipe, Fittings, Hydrants, and Valves to Ferguson Waterworks
MAYOR’S DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion and Vote: Revised Skate Park Rules and Protocols
2. Discussion and Vote: Camp Field Trips and Playground Programs
3. Discussion and Vote: Saratoga County Children's Committee Donation
4. Discussion and Vote: Referral to Planning Board for Advisory Opinion of Rezoning Request,
36 Nelson Avenue
5. Discussion and Vote: Referral to Planning Board for Advisory Opinion of Rezoning Request,
82 Franklin Street
6. Discussion and Vote: Referral to Planning Board for Advisory Opinion of Modification to
existing zoning amendment petition, 69 Lake Avenue
7. Discussion and Vote: Authorization for the Mayor to sign Harris Beach Agreement for an on-
going investigation of the DEC
8. Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to sign Supplemental agreements with Earth
Tech for Spring Run Trail
9. Discussion: Update on Lillians Lot Purchase
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
1. Announcement: Coin Drop
2. Discussion: Condominium Resolution
3. Announcement: Condominium Resolution Public Hearing
4. Announcement: Grievance Day
5. Announcement: Guide to Archives
6. Announcement: How to Grieve Assessment Class
7. Discussion and Vote: Resolution to Change Polling Place
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FINANCE DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion: 1st Quarter 2009 Financial Report
2. Discussion: Preliminary 2008 Year End Report
3. Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to Sign Contract-Loose Cannon
4. Discussion and Vote: Accept Donations-Saratoga's All-American Celebration
5. Discussion and Vote: Budget Gap Resolution
6. Discussion: City Finances
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion and Vote: Authoization to extend the contract with C.T. Male- Landfill Post Closure
Monitoring Services
2. Discussion and Vote: Authorization for the Mayor to Sign a Contract with Ryan-Briggs
3. Discussion and Vote: Authorization for the Mayor to Sign an Agreement with Creighton
Manning- Church St Reconstruction
4. Announcement: Carousel Opening
5. Announcement: Compost Material for Sale
6. Announcement: Household Hazardous Waste Day
7. Discussion and Vote: Resolution for the City Council to act as Lead Agency in the Geyser
Crest Wellfield
8. Announcement: Street Paving Schedule
PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to sign contract with Arace and Company
Consulting LLC for a Project Labor Agreement
2. Announcement: COPS Technology Grant Award
3. Discussion and Vote: Military Pay
4. Discussion and Vote: Resolution in Support of Open Meeting Bill
5. Discussion and Vote: Waive of Bid for Fire Engine Bodywork
6. Announcement: Indoor Recreation Center
SUPERVISORS
1. Joanne Yepsen
1. Report on County Veterans Committee
2. Update on Guardian House for Homeless Womens Veterans
3. Sustainable Saratoga Activities
4. Billy Grey Ride: May 17
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2. Matthew Veitch
1. Geyser Road Trail Update
2. Trails Committee Update
3. Green Committee Update
ADJOURN
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