Design Review Board

DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MINUTES (FINAL) WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 6, 2016 7:00 P.M. CITY COUNCIL ROOM PRESENT: Steven Rowland, Chairman; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman; Robert West; Richard Martin; Karen Cavotta; Cynthia Corbett ABSENT: Leslie DiCarlo STAFF: Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development, City of Saratoga Springs CALL TO ORDER: Steven Rowland, Chairman called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ANNOUNCEMENT OF RECORDING OF PROCEEDING: Steven Rowland, Chairman stated the proceedings of this meeting are being recorded for the benefit of the secretary. Because the minutes are not a verbatim record of the proceedings, the minutes are not a word-for-word transcript of the recording. A. ELECTION OF OFFICERS: Richard Martin made a motion for Steven Rowland for the Office of Chairman of the Design Review Commission, and Tamie Ehinger for the Office of Vice Chairman of the Design Review Commission. Robert West seconded the motion. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman; in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Richard Matin, in favor; R. West, in favor; Karen Cavotta, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; MOTION PASSES: 6-0 B. PROPOSED CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS: Steven Rowland, Chairman stated the intent of the consent agenda is to identify any applications that appear to be “approvable” without the need for further evaluation or discussion. If any DRC member or member of the audience wishes to discuss/explore any proposed consent agenda item, then that item would be pulled from the “consent agenda” and dealt with individually. 1. 2015.106 ST. PETER’S SIGNAGE, 241 Broadway, Architectural Review of replacement wall signage within the Institutional-Educational District. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if any member of the Commission has any questions or concerns regarding the consent agenda items. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if any member of the audience wished to comment on any of the items on the consent agenda. None heard. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman made a motion in the matter of the application of St. Peter’s Signage, 241 Broadway, Architectural Review of replacement wall signage within the Institutional Educational District that we approve as submitted. Richard Martin seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Robert West, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; Karen Cavotta, in favor MOTION PASSES: 6-0 C. DRC APPLICATIONS UNDER CONSIDERATIONS: 2. 2015.104 MACALUSO EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS, 143 Caroline Street, Historic Review of modification/repair of a portion of multi-family residence within the Urban Residential-3 District. Agent: Nate Dickenson, CGM Construction Mr. Dickenson stated the applicant is proposing an extension of an existing 3 season room, which is screened in on the second story of their multi-unit dwelling. On unit #4 on the back right of the structure we would like to reconstruct the deck, the wall and roof structure. Replacing the rubber membrane roof with a rubber membrane roof. Identical dimensions, with one of the windows being egress compliant due to the fire escape on the side of the home. Pella Pro Line windows will be used. Plans and window information was provided to the Commission. Steven Rowland, Chairman questioned if there were any questions or comments from the Commission. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Karen Cavotta made a motion in the matter of the application of the Macaluso Exterior Modifications, 143 Caroline Street that the application be approved as submitted. Richard Martin seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Robert West, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; Karen Cavotta, in favor MOTION PASSES: 6-0 3. 2015.095 LAROCHE WINDOW REPLACEMENTS, 159 Phila Street, Historic Review of window Replacements within the Urban Residential-3 District. Board Member Richard Martin recused himself from this application. Agent: Patrick Colaes, Northern Dean Steven Rowland, Chairman we have seen this application before for window replacements. At the last meeting the applicant’s agent provided a window sample. The Commission was looking for some information concerning why replace rather than restore. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – January 6, 2016 - Page 2 of 15 Mr. Colaes, Northern Dean provided the Commission with a cost estimate of $2,500 per unit for lead removal, priming the windows and painting. This estimate was provided by Olde Saratoga Restorations, which is a licensed lead removal company. Cynthia Corbett questioned if Board Member Robert West should recuse from this application. Board member Robert West recused himself from this application. Mr. Colaes stated that estimate does not include new hardware, rehanging of the window weights and adding the weather stripping needed. Also as an observation of driving around the historic district of Saratoga it was observed that most windows have triple track and storm windows added. Cynthia Corbett stated she believed the applicants agent was requested to check the condition of each window and provide us with an estimate of how deteriorated the windows are. Mr. Colaes stated the applicant is very concerned regarding the lead. So, every window needs to have lead abatement At $2,500 each. Cynthia Corbett questioned the trim and sills and if lead abatement was to be completed on these. Mr. Colaes stated that the window sill and window trim will remain. The price quoted by Olde Saratoga Restorations is for prime and painting only. An additional $1,000 to $1,250 for repair per window. This would still lead to triple track storm windows on the outside of the windows. The storms which are currently on the building are not original to the home. Discussion ensued regarding window replacement, lead paint and repairing of the sashes, windows, trim and sills. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated that we have allowed this in other applications where the applicant has replaced with a high quality product such as this. We have approved some on 5th Avenue and the Adelphi Hotel. I do not have a problem with this. The applicant is replicating what was there with a high quality, high end product. In my opinion we are going to see more and more of this in the coming years. Perhaps this will involve re-visiting our ordinance. As these historic homes get older, things will need to be replaced. Steven Rowland, Chairman suggested keeping the sashes, in the event future replacement back to the original could be accomplished. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. Samantha Bosshart, Saratoga Springs Preservation Foundation stated she appreciates the applicants concern regarding lead paint. Lead paint can be encapsulated. That is not part of whether these windows are deteriorated beyond the point of repair. Your ordinance and your guidelines are very clear. There is no evidence of how deteriorated these windows are. This needs to be entered into the record, because economics are not part of the Commission’s decision. Sometimes that factors in, technically it is not. This application is lacking in information, however if the Commission moves forward I strongly encourage that the front façade windows be repaired and retained. They have been in the building for 130 years and without proof of disrepair, they should remain. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated there is a movement on this application to hold it to a standard that other were not. People have made arguments to us that even with repair and restoration they will still have leaky, drafty windows. Some of these are on 5th Avenue. We have allowed them to be replaced. If the windows are to be replaced, they should be replaced with the correct window. That is how I have approached them in the past. These applicants are replacing with a high end replica of the original window. Samantha Bosshart, Saratoga Springs Preservation Foundation stated that the 5th Avenue property did provide a schedule of windows and deterioration. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – January 6, 2016 - Page 3 of 15 Karen Cavotta stated my personal preference in looking at the building is anything that brings the building back to a visual arched glass would be my preference. In looking at the adjacent building to the right, in the upper second floor is an arched opening with a square storm window. You cannot even see the arched window, I would rather go back to a true painted arched glass window. Architecturally and visually I would rather see arched glass. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman stated perhaps it would be in the applicant’s best interest to table this application for this evening, seeing we are down to only four members. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated since Mr. Izzo, the Assistant City Attorney is here with us this we will ask for his opinion on the situation of Mr. West’s recusal. Mr. Izzo reviewed the situation presented. If there is compensation involved, then the Board Member must recuse. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development questioned if there is no charge for the bid or estimate, does that present a conflict. Mr. Izzo stated the language provided in the ordinance, it does appear there are some potential ethical problems with the situation you described to me. Discussion ensued regarding recusal of two board members, tabling the application and requesting an alternate attend to provide a full board for this application. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated that he is never a fan of voting on a project with only four Board Members present. It is not fair to the applicant. We have two recusals and one absent. So we can have a conversation with Tony and we can also call to see if our alternate is available. We would like to table this application until later in the evening. Commission member Richard Martin resumed his position on the Commission. Commission member Robert West resumed his position on the Commission. 4. 2015.109 CUOMO WINDOW REPLACEMENTS, 121 Caroline Street, Historic Review of replacement of replacement windows on a residential structure within the Urban Residential-3 District. Applicant: Mr. & Mrs. Cuomo The applicants stated they have replaced three windows on the side of the home. Photographs were provided for the Commission’s review. Aluminum storm windows exist on some of the windows as well as 9 different types of windows on the home. We are proposing to provide some consistency with regard to the windows. Over time additions have been added and we are trying to bring back the beauty of the home. Windows which were removed were not original to the home. We would like to change the windows on the second floor across the top. Also one on the side by the fire escape. These windows are 2 inches off of the roof and everything is rotted. This home has been neglected for over 50 years. The windows are Anderson wood windows with white vinyl clad on the outside. I viewed other historic homes in our area and found that some are replaced with total vinyl replacement windows or they have these storm windows on the outside and you cannot see the windows underneath. There are 12 properties on our side of the street that have this type of window. Photographs were provided of some of the home cited above as well as the addresses. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there were any questions or comments from the Commission. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman stated I don’t know how appropriate the window style is. Cynthia Corbett stated she visited the site today and the front windows are two over two style. There are some six over six along side. Information received this date from the Saratoga Springs Preservation Foundation stated the windows were most probably six over six originally. The prairie style windows are not with the style of the home. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – January 6, 2016 - Page 4 of 15 Steven Rowland, Chairman stated his goal in this type of situation is to have some consistency in the home throughout. I think they have shown other examples of prairie style windows. Most of these windows are in fairly sad shape. I can live with the prairie style windows. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman stated prairie style would not be my first choice, they are out and about. I am in favor of some consistency. Karen Cavotta stated she is not as concerned with the prairie windows and the trim around the windows. She is in favor of keeping the wood trim around the windows. Discussion ensued regarding the window trim, and trim materials. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. Samantha Bosshart, Executive Director, Saratoga Springs Preservation Foundation stated this home was built in 1840. A prairie style window would not have been in this home. It would have been a six over six. Typical style for this gothic type home in the 1900’s would have been replaced with two over two. This is what is on the front of your home. The ordinance states preserve and repair rather than replace. If replacement is necessary the replacement materials should match the original composition, design, color, texture and other visual qualities. Information should be entered into the record concerning the condition of the windows to remain consistent. Azak is now appropriate, and prairie style windows are now appropriate. If you allow this house what happens to the next application. What precedent are you setting? I encourage you to follow your ordinance for replacement in kind, same size and style. Karen Cavotta states the windows do need to be replaced and there are many different types of window styles in the home. I am still struggling with the prairie style. I am having a difficult time with the prairie style windows on this home. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman made a motion in the matter of the application of the Cuomo Window Replacements, 121 Congress Street, that we approve the application as submitted. Robert West seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Robert West, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, opposed; Karen Cavotta, opposed MOTION PASSES: 4-2 5. 2014.079 CITY CENTER PARKING STRUCTURE b/n MAPLE & HIGH ROCK AVENUES, Architectural Review of a multi-level parking structure within the Transect-6 Urban Core District. Applicant: Mark Baker, President City Center Authority; Agents: Matthew J. Jones, Alex Beso, Jones Firm; Jay Stasack, Ted Mallon, Envision Architecture; Mr. Jones stated this application is before the Commission this evening requesting Mass and Scale approval. This is our fourth appearance before the Commission with our fourth iteration of the project following the Commissions comments. We will present this evening 5 perspectives of the structures from 5 different areas of the city. Mr. Stasack provided a visual presentation of the site location. The presentation is per the request of the Commission. The views in particular were on the corner of Caroline Street north to the subject property, from High Rock and Lake Avenue on the south side on Lake Avenue, High Rock from the west side of the street, and across the street from Jacob and Anthony’s. Looking northwest on High Rock, with the City Center behind. Along High Rock Park looking south from the park. High City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – January 6, 2016 - Page 5 of 15 Rock looking south from east side. Exterior elevations and conceptual drawings were provided. Views from Maple Avenue, and the Olde Bryan Inn, Maple Avenue looking south, Ellsworth Jones looking east, from the drop off looking northeast. A rendering of the connection looking at the City Center, and Ellsworth looking east at the connector. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated one area which appears to be out of scale is from Ellsworth Jones Place looking south the connector seems to be fairly close. Discussion ensued concerning this rendering and photograph of the site. Robert West thanked the applicants for providing the renderings. It is very helpful to see the scale in relationship to the existing buildings. Discussion ensued regarding the presentation which was provided. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman stated she is still struggling with the pedestrian walkway and the mass of it and voiced concern of how it will feel when you are looking at it. Cynthia Corbett is still concerned regarding the mass and the heaviness over Maple Avenue. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated two areas he is struggling the most with is the bay on the south side of the building where the entrance is and the north elevation. Mostly from the connector side going east. These are more detail issues than mass and scale. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. Angela Rella, 63 5th Avenue. Moved to Saratoga Springs with their family due to the walkability of the city. It is very important to me that this is a walkable, livable city. The scale of the garage is too much for the city. Shelby Schneider, Member of the City Center Authority. This project has been going on for well over 3 years. This is a critical component of the City Center. I hope that you support this project. Todd Garafano, Saratoga Convention and Tourism Bureau. This project is as it looks now is very exciting and I hope you support this. Roger Goldsmith, Businessman, Homeowner and Member of the City Center Authority. It is appropriate. It is a win-win. Julie Cuneau, Chair, Citizens for High Rock. This project will have a big impact on our community. This plan with an appropriate design will contribute to the community character. We are in favor of additional parking just not this plan. Diane Pedinotti, owner Mouzon House, I am concerned for this standalone parking garage which violates our zoning. It’s mass and scale is huge. It is a quick fix. Other plans presented were better options. Concerned with the idea of a standalone parking garage. Samantha Bosshart, Executive Director, Saratoga Springs Preservation Foundation. I will reiterate the Foundation has objected to the construction of the connector with 3 levels of parking. We prefer no parking over Maple Avenue and it takes away from the historic nature of this area. We are fully supportive of the City Center. Denise Desmond, this is a huge decision that needs to be made. I understand that we all want the best for the City of Saratoga Springs, take your time in making a decision. This has been a very long process. This is a decision we will live with for the next 30 years. Please reconsider this idea. Rob Peacott. This project is needed for parking. As stated, obviously scope and size is a concern. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – January 6, 2016 - Page 6 of 15 Jeff Pfeil. No one likes parking garages, but they are essential. This is the best spot and a pretty good solution. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated there has been some discussion in working with the resources within the City to craft our language appropriately. I don’t believe we will have a decision this evening. If the Commission would like to meet with staff and counsel this can be accommodated. Matthew J. Jones deferred to the City of Saratoga legal counsel. Tony Izzo, Deputy City Attorney stated the applicant has submitted a draft resolution to his office. He would be happy to discuss that with the Commission. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development. The applicant is looking for some sort of approval or partial approval. This is available to you. We understand there has been some conversation with the attorneys. If you feel comfortable with the general Mass and Scale. There are several areas to consider such as the specific footprint, height of the roofline, open for a variety of additional details. You will also find you may wish to have some details to materials or articulation which may impact the mass and scale. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman stated a point which came up during public comments was the fenestration on the façade upon the entranceway. The footprint does not include the connector. We spoke about some material and/or design changes to lessen the mass of the connector. I am trying to find a way to make the connector work. I believe this is part of mass and scale. Cynthia Corbett stated the parking bridge has held me up as well, which makes me hesitant. Matthew J. Jones suggested reading the resolution which has been prepared. Deputy City Attorney, Tony Izzo read the following resolution into the record. Copies were provided to the Commission. NOTICE OF DECISION In the matter of the application #2014.079 City Center Parking Structure Maple Avenue, High Rock Avenue, York Street and Lake Avenue Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 Involving the premises at Maple Avenue, High Rock Avenue, York Street and Lake Avenue, within the Transect-5 Urban Core District, (T-6) in the City of Saratoga Springs, tax parcel ID#165.52-4-45 on the application for Architectural Review Approval the Design Review Commission met on January 6, 2016 and made the following decision on January 6, 2016. ▪ Whereas, the Saratoga Springs City Center Authority (the “Applicant”) has filed an application for Architectural Review of the proposed City Center Parking Structure (“Parking Structure Project”) pursuant to section 7.5 et. seq. of the Zoning Ordinance of the City of Saratoga Springs and, ▪ Whereas, the Parking Structure Project is proposed to be constructed on lands owned by the City of Saratoga Springs bounded by Lake Avenue, Maple Avenue, York Street and High Rock Avenue as more fully set forth in the application and, ▪ Whereas, the Saratoga Springs City Council adopted a resolution on September 2, 2014, authorizing the City Center Authority to proceed with the Parking Structure Project reviews from the land use boards, as follows: Discussion and Vote: Authorization for City Center Authority to Make City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – January 6, 2016 - Page 7 of 15  Necessary Applications to Land Use Boards, Building Department and to Waive All Associated Fees (14-354) Commission Mathiesen moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded To authorization and consent for the City Center Authority to make any and all necessary and appropriate applications to the City’s land use boards, Building Department, and any county and/or state agencies in connection with the Saratoga Springs City Center Authority parking structure project on High Rock Avenue and waive any and all land use board application fees and building permit fees the City would customarily charge in connection with a commercial project . All ayes, and ▪ Whereas, the Saratoga Spring Planning Board, as lead agent under SEQRA issued a Negative declaration of significance on December 9, 2015 following its review of the Parking Structure Project on September 17, 2014, October 8, 2014 and November 12, 2014. ▪ Whereas, the City Center Authority secured subdivision approval for the Parking Structure Project from the Saratoga Springs Planning Board on September 9, 2015, and, ▪ Whereas, the City Center Authority secured site plan approval for the Parking Structure Project from the Saratoga Springs Planning Board on November 12, 2015 and, ▪ Whereas, the City Council has secured draft lease agreements between the City of Saratoga Springs as landlord and the City Center Authority as tenant for the leasing of The lands comprising the Parking Structure Project and, ▪ Whereas, Zoning Ordinance Section 7.5.9(d)(3) authorizes an applicant to seek ‘preliminary Approval’ for the general “mass and scale” of a proposed structure prior to the Commission’s Decision on final approval of the application and, ▪ Whereas, the adoption of this resolution shall stay further proceedings on the application Pending execution of a lease agreement for the lands upon which the Parking Structure Project is to be cited, by and between the City of Saratoga Springs as landlord and the Saratoga Springs City Center Authority as tenant and, ▪ Whereas, the Commission has reviewed the application under the criteria set forth in the Zoning Ordinance 7.5.5 and the Commission is satisfied within the limited parameters of Preliminary approval that the applicant has met all of the criteria set forth therein and elsewhere in Article 7.5 in the Zoning Ordinance, Now, therefore be it resolved: 1. The DRC grants to the applicant preliminary approval on the plans submitted, and 2. The application is stayed pending the filing with the Commission of a certification from the City Attorney that the City of Saratoga Springs and the Saratoga Springs City Center Authority have executed a lease agreement for the lands upon which the Parking Structure Project is to be built. Steven Rowland, Chairman would like to review this document and think it through and get comfortable with it. Perhaps clarifying the wording, until I am more comfortable with it. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – January 6, 2016 - Page 8 of 15 Richard Martin stated the footprint will not change. Robert West agreed with Richard Martin. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated I would like to think about this. I am not ready to move this tonight. Karen Cavotta stated the Commission is being cautious in approving the Mass and Scale because even a change in the thickness of a proposed material can change the footprint, thereby disallowing the usage. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development informed the Commission that it is within the Commission’s purview to grant Mass and Scale this evening if you are comfortable doing so, or do you wish to have more time to review and modify and return in two weeks. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated that would be his preference. Discussion ensued regarding the mass and scale of the connector and tabling the application for two weeks. Richard Martin made a motion in the application of the City Center Parking Structure, Maple & High Rock Avenues, to approve the resolution presented for Mass and Scale. Robert West seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Robert West, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, opposed; Karen Cavotta, in favor MOTION PASSES: 5-1 NO REPRESENTATION PRESENT FOR AGENDA ITEM #6 – APPLICATION TABLED FOR TONIGHT. 6. 2013.070.2 CONGRESS HALL CONDOMINIUMS, 322 Broadway/7Spring Street, Historic Review of exterior modifications to an existing structure within the Transect-6 Urban Core District. ADJOURNED to 1/20/16. 7. 2015.105 PALETTE STONE RESIDENTIAL DEMOLITION, 332 Washington Street, Architectural Review of the demolition of 3 residential structures within the Transect-6 Urban Core District. Applicant: Steve Vischer, Palette Stone This property is on the opposite side of the street from the quarry. The property was obtained through foreclosure, and have been vacant for years and years. The property is set back from the road. Structures were built in the 70’s. Main house was built in the 60’s. There is no historical significance to any of these buildings. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated that there is no historical significance to this property. This is in an architectural review district. It has the same guidelines for demolition as in a historical district. Is there any architectural significance of any kind in these buildings for them to be retained? If not then you can approve demolition if you see fit. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated that he believes there is no architectural significance to the proposed demolition. Certainly not to the outbuildings. No historical significance. This remains zoned Rural Residential. Mr. Vischer stated they are looking to clean up the property. No further plans for this property at this time. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – January 6, 2016 - Page 9 of 15 Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Cynthia Corbett made a motion in the matter of the application of Palette Stone Residential Demolition, 332 Washington Street to approve as submitted. Richard Martin seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Robert West, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; Karen Cavotta, in favor MOTION PASSES: 6-0 7. 2015.107 EMBASSY SUITES SIGNAGE – ADVISORY OPINION, 46 Congress Street, Request from ZBA for Advisory Opinion (Architecture Review) of non-conforming signage within the Transect-6 Urban Core District. Applicant: Jackie Phillips Murray, Embassy Suites Agent: Tom Wheeler, AJ Signs Ms. Phillips-Murray stated the applicant is before the Commission this evening for an Advisory Opinion to the Zoning Board of Appeals concerning signage, the stylized “E” on the 6th floor of the building. Originally approval was received to place the stylized “E” alongside the Embassy Suites sign on the portico. We have two matters before the Commission this evening. One is to revisit placing the stylized “E” as a wall sign on the 6th floor in a modified fashion. The other is in furtherance of installing a monument sign at the Congress Street entrance. The wall sign proposed one year ago was the placement of a green and white internally lit block sign centered at the 6th floor of the hotel. The hotel is 150,000 square feet and is 6 stories tall, and is two blocks off of Broadway. The sign at the portico is hardly visible from a distance. This is one of the primary reasons the stylized “E” is proposed at the 6th floor level. What we have determined from the last visit before the Commission is the Commission is looking for something with more architectural detail, more in keeping with the standards of the City. We have listened and we return now with the Stylized “E” in a different color, not internally illuminated, but reverse lit. In addition, the color of the stylized “E” is no longer green and white it is proposed to be a tan stucco finish to match the window sills of the building. This is proposed to have more of an architectural detail. Photographic illustrations were provided to the Commission for their review noting the public viewpoints of the signage along Broadway. These demonstrate the need to designate this building. By using this signage Embassy Suites satisfies their franchise requirements and we believe meets the architectural requirement requested by the Commission. The other point is that we know the Commission is concerned about setting a precedent. We do not believe this will set a precedent, that hasn’t already been set by other signage in the City. Several examples were cited as well as photographs provide for the Commission’s review. With a building that is 80 feet tall and 18” sign will be lost on the façade of the building. We submit the size 84” high and 54” in width is in scale the building. Steven Rowland stated he does recall conversations concerning the “E”. I know from my perspective the “E” seemed to be something seen alongside the highway. The large “E” signage is not appropriate in a downtown urban setting. Also the fact that it was simply an internally lit box sign was also of concern. This is a better approach, yes, but not in a downtown setting. I do not know how well this is going to be seen, perhaps only at night when it is lit. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, stated she agreed verbatim with the Chairman’s comments it is not appropriate for downtown. Cynthia Corbett stated when you come down Union Avenue to Congress Park you have a straight visual shot right to the hotel. This is our most historic area and I just find a lit sign up six stories would be really intrusive. The building has a unique profile. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – January 6, 2016 - Page 10 of 15 Mr. Wheeler stated people do look for some time of signage. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated most people who are unfamiliar with an area would probably use a GPS to get there. We are trying to do something we determined a year ago was not appropriate for downtown then and is not appropriate now. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman also reiterated it is not appropriate. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated sometime signage which requires variances have come to the DRC for Advisory Opinions. The ZBA has the final determination whether to accept the advisory opinion or not. You do not have the ability to overrule the ZBA. This is an opinion it is not an approval. Ms. Phillips-Murray suggested a possible mock up of the signage for the Commission’s review. Discussion ensued concerning the mock up. Ms. Phillips-Murray stated we are proposing a monument sign. This signage has not been before the Commission previously. The type and size of the monument sign is allowed in this district. Variances which are requested are for the size and for the size of the stylized E logo on the monument sign. The size allowed for the monument size is 12 square feet and we are proposing 35 square feet. The size of the stylized “E” which is permitted is 18” and we are proposing 28”. Mr. Wheeler stated this signage is an aluminum faced sign with aluminum backed lettering. LED lighting. The base material is also aluminum, tight to the wall. Single faced. Discussion ensued concerning the size of the signage, size of the lettering and the stylized “E”. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated there are other directional signs; the applicants are working with the Zoning Officer to conform to the City’s regulations. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated we will await notification of a mockup of the stylized “E”, and schedule a site visit. We will provide an Advisory Opinion to the ZBA concerning the monument sign. Steven Rowland, Chairman made a motion in the matter of the Embassy Suites Signage Advisory Opinion to the ZBA, 46 Congress Street that we issue a Favorable Advisory Opinion for the monument sign with the following conditions: - We feel that the overall size of the monument size should be 25 – 30 square feet total. The design/motif shall remain as presented only reduced proportionally. - Wall sign “E” to have a mock up installed to help visualize. Tamie Ehinger seconded the motion. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Robert West, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; Karen Cavotta, in favor MOTION PASSES: 6-0 8. 2015.111 YMCA OUTDOOR PAVILIONS, 290 West Avenue, Architectural Review of a series of wood timber outdoor pavilions within the YMCA Planned Unit Development. Applicant: Kelly Armer; Shawn Adams, representing YMCA City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – January 6, 2016 - Page 11 of 15 Agent: Mike Ingersoll, LA Group; John Paone, Architect; Mike Munter; Contractor; Mr. Ingersoll stated in 2005 the City granted a PUD to the YMCA to develop the parcel. We had envisioned even back then Phase II of the project. The Wilton branch used to host the summer camps. They have since displaced 150 kids to the Saratoga Branch. They do not have a place to play, or gather in inclement weather. We have been working on a master plan. We have made a site plan application. SEQRA has been completed. We would like to present two structures for the Commission’s review. A visual presentation was provided, noting where the trail extends and proposed extended parking. This allows us to have near the daycare drop off and playground a welcome pavilion. This is close to the building. This provides a new drop off area and creates a place to recreate. We need to accommodate storm water runoff. We will keep trees in the back along with some outdoor play equipment. There is some interest in archery and high rope course. We would like to get in the ground in April so this will be completed before school ends. Bathrooms will also be installed in this pavilion. This pavilion can accommodate approximately 300 children. Mr. Munter and Mr. Papone discussed the RFP proposal which they presented. A timber frame structure was proposed which is fairly open. Douglas fir with painted metal connections. This is something you would see in a park, emulating the architecture on the grounds. Masonry pilasters to match the brick on the buildings, and a hammered lead roof. Low level lighting is proposed for this pavilion. Color samples were provided for the Commission’s review. The second pavilion is down in the southeast corner to house archery teams and equipment. Same materials as discussed in the first pavilion. This is not on a slab but is a stone dust floor except for the equipment storage area. No electricity is proposed in this pavilion. Karen Cavotta asked if there was any thought to providing windows in the bathrooms. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated it looks great. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Karen Cavotta made a motion in the matter of the application of the YMCA Outdoor Pavilions, 290 West Avenue that The application be approved with the following conditions: The DRC would not be opposed to the consideration for windows at clear story level in the bathrooms at the main pavilion. Richard Martin seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Robert West, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; Karen Cavotta, in favor MOTION PASSES: 6-0 9. 2015.112 SALT & CHAR ENTRANCE MODIFICATIONS, 353 Broadway, Historic Review of signage, awning Chandeliers and entrance modifications within the Transect-6 Urban Core District. Applicant: Jeff & Rochelle Agent: Tony Stellato, CHA Mr. Stellato stated Salt and Char is a restaurant proposed for the area which used to be Maestro’s. Interior renovations and some exterior changes. We are hoping to open in March of this year. A visual presentation of the existing project was provided to the Commission. Three changes are proposed to the exterior of the building. We are proposing an awning that would frame the two front doors of the building. Some chandeliers on the veranda and some signage. The awning is striped City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – January 6, 2016 - Page 12 of 15 and comes out to the top of the stairs. We understand the Preservation Foundation’s concern regarding the accuracy of the building. This is an adaptive reuse of a building. This will frame the entrance. We are looking to replace this doorway with a double door. We will change the current door to double doors to mimic the appearance of what exists. The applicant reviewed materials proposed as well as the new fixtures. The Salt and Char sign will go over the door and fills the transom space. They are backlit. Awning color has not been chosen yet. Black and White is an option. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there were any further questions or comments from the Commission. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. Samantha Bosshart, Executive Director Saratoga Springs Preservation Foundation stated she is concerned regarding the veranda. It has always been open and this will change the open appearance. You might want to give some thought as to how this will change the appearance of this historic building. Discussion ensued concerning a proposed mock up or to photo illustrating the awning. A mock up was requested. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated I do not feel this will have that big of an impact. It will be thin. It is not a permanent structure, it can come down. This will call out entry. Robert West made a motion in the matter of the application of Salt and Char Exterior Modification, 353 Broadway that the application be approved with the following conditions – the applicant will provide a mock up of the proposed awning for visual inspection. Approval or denial determination to be made at the next DRC Meeting. The existing front door to be replaced with double French door to match adjacent. Cynthia Corbett seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Robert West, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; Karen Cavotta, in favor MOTION PASSES: 6-0 10. 2015.113 COMMISSARY KITCHEN EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS, 41 Washington Street, Historic review of exterior modifications within the Transect-6 Urban Core District. Applicant: Jeff & Rochelle Agent: Tony Stellato, CHA Mr. Stellato stated the owners have this building which they purchased from the Church. Our plan is to use that building, renovated and restore the kitchen. Plans were submitted that show some changes to the exterior of the building. A door would be removed and replaced with a double metal door, painted brown to match the existing. We are proposing the addition of a landing with a ramp. Two windows will be recessed and bricked in. HVAC equipment will be located in the back of the building. Some changes will occur inside the building as well. An additional window will be added for egress. Discussion ensued regarding mechanicals on the roof versus out the back, material to be used for the bricking of the windows, as well as the placement of the exhaust fan. Samantha Bosshart, Saratoga Springs Preservation Foundation stated she is concerned regarding the type of doors which will be installed as well as the having both the front windows bricked in. This is visible from Washington Street. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – January 6, 2016 - Page 13 of 15 Discussion ensued regarding saving the windows on the south wall and the infilling of the windows on the East and move the door on the north wall to the west. Robert West made a motion in the matter of the application of Commissary Kitchen Exterior Modifications, 41 Washington Street, that the application be approved with the following condition – a final location of exhaust fan penetration to be determined by Administrative Review. A new door to closely resemble the existing to be approved administratively. Windows on the south elevation to remain. Three (3) east elevation windows to be recessed and bricked in. Final set of drawings to show all revisions. Richard Martin seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Robert West, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; Karen Cavotta, in favor MOTION PASSES: 6-0 DISCUSSION WITH COUNSEL Board recessed at 11:55 P.M. Board reconvened at 12:01 A.M. It was the determination of the Commission to table the following application for two weeks. 2015.095 LAROCHE WINDOW REPLACEMENTS, 159 Phila Street, Historic Review of window Replacements within the Urban Residential-3 District. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES Robert West made a motion to approve the minutes of the May 6, 2015 Design Review Commission as submitted. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman West seconded the motion. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, abstained; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Robert West, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; Karen Cavotta, in favor MOTION PASSES: 5-0 Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman made a motion to approve the minutes of the June 3, 2015 Design Review Commission as submitted. Steven Rowland, Chairman seconded the motion. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Robert West, abstained; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; Karen Cavotta, abstained MOTION PASSES: 4-0 UPCOMING WORKSHOPS/MEETINGS: Design Review Caravan, Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 4:00 P.M. Design Review Commission Meeting, Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 7:00 P.M. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – January 6, 2016 - Page 14 of 15 MOTION TO ADJOURN: There being no further business to discuss Steven Rowland, Chairman adjourned the meeting at 12:05 A.M. Respectfully submitted, Diane M. Buzanowski Recording Secretary APPROVED 1/18/17 City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – January 6, 2016 - Page 15 of 15