Recreation Commission
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · August 14, 2018
Minutes
City of Saratoga Springs Derrick LeGall
Recreation Commission Chair
RECREATION COMMISSION Alphonse Lambert
15 Vanderbilt Avenue, Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 Amy Smith
Robert Manasier
518-587-3550 x2300 Fax 518-584-1748 Cheryl Smith
John Dowd
www.SaratogaRec.com Michelle Merola
Recreation Commission Meeting
Tuesday, August 14, 2018
6:30 pm
Minutes
Saratoga Springs Recreation Center
The Saratoga Springs Recreation Commission Meeting was called to order at 6:30 pm by Derrick Legall, chairman.
Attendance – Derrick Legall, Amy Smith, Cheryl Smith, Robert Manasier, John Dowd, Michelle Merola, &
Alphonse Lambert. Guests: Deputy Mayor Lisa Shields, & Bob Kernan, The LA Group
Staff: John Hirliman
Public Comment – There was no public comment.
1. Discussion: Master Plan Update – Survey
The Recreation Commission moved the Recreation Master Plan - Survey to the first item. Adam Bossi and Jake
Jorgenson from RRC spoke to the Recreation Commission regarding the Recreation Master Plan – Survey. Jake
Jorgenson from RRC walked through the slides submitted to the Recreation Commission. There will be changes for
the Final report.
Introduction – The survey included feedback from the residents. The purpose of the study was to gather feedback
on Saratoga Springs’ recreation facilities, services, and programs. This survey research effort and subsequent
analysis were designed to assist the City in planning for the future improvements, developments and services.
Methodology – The survey was conducted using three primary methods: mailed survey (invitation survey) sent to
randomly selected residents of City Residents, Online invitation survey accessed through a password protected
website for residents who received the mail survey and Open-link online survey – open to members of the public
who were not part of the invitation survey. The primary list source used for the mailing was purchased from Melissa
Data Corp., a leading provider of data with emphasis on U.S., Canadian, and international address and phone
verification includes renters in the sample who are frequently missed in other list sources such as utility billing lists.
In total, 441 city-wide invitation surveys were completed through a variety of survey approaches. In addition, 411
open-link surveys were received (completed and partially completed). The invitation sample includes responses
gathered from the mailed survey and online invitation sample. The margin of error for the invitation sample is +/-
4.1%. The analysis herein primarily focuses on responses from the invitation survey of City of Saratoga Springs
respondents. However, invitation sample results are compared to the open-link results throughout the report.
Weighting the data-The underlying data were weighted by age to ensure appropriate representation of City of
Saratoga Springs Residents across different demographics cohorts in the sample. Using U.S. Census Data, the age
distribution was adjusted to more closely match the demographic profile of the City of Saratoga Springs. Due to
variable response rates by some segments of the population the underlying results, while weighted to best match the
overall demographics of residents, may not be completely representative of some sub-groups of population.
Demographic Profile-Of invitation respondents, those under age 35 represents the highest percentage (33%)
followed by 45-54 (16%) and 55-64 (16%). Couples with children at home have the largest share of responses
(32%) followed by couples with no children (21%) and singles with no children (19%). Income was well distributed
across the sample with 21% of the invitation sample reporting income of $100-$149,999. The majority of
respondents were White (97% invite and 94% open link) and skewed female in both invitation and open link (57%
and 53% respectively). One percent of the respondents in the invitation sampler (4% in open link) are
Hispanic/Latino/Spanish origin. Additionally, 5% of the invitation respondents and 3% of the open link reported
needing ADA-accessible facilities/services.
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City of Saratoga Springs Derrick LeGall
Recreation Commission Chair
RECREATION COMMISSION Alphonse Lambert
15 Vanderbilt Avenue, Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 Amy Smith
Robert Manasier
518-587-3550 x2300 Fax 518-584-1748 Cheryl Smith
John Dowd
www.SaratogaRec.com Michelle Merola
Residential Profile-The majority of residents own their residence (79%) and a smaller share (21%) rent. The two
largest groups in length of residence are those who have lived 20+ years (32%) and those new to the area (26%
residing 0-5 years), signaling a split between new and long-term residents. Additionally, the East side (34%), West
side (28%) and Geyser Crest (14%) were most well represented areas of town.
Usage of the Parks/Facilities in the Past Year – Invitation respondents were moderately familiar with Saratoga
Springs with 54% providing a rating of 4 or 5. Open link respondents are more familiar with 70% providing a rating
of either 4 or 5. Open link users tend to be more engaged in communities and use parks more frequently. Only 14%
of invitation and 8% of open link respondents were unfamiliar with the department (rating 1 or 2). Among
invitation respondents, Saratoga Springs respondents used a community/neighborhood park most often (87% used in
the past year), followed by using a trail or pathway (83% used) and attending a special event (54% attended).
Athletic courts (48% used), Waterfront Park (45% used), athletic fields (45% used), and splash pads (41% used)
followed behind in usage by respondents.
Satisfaction with Parks/Facilities/Programs – Overall, Saratoga Springs respondents were moderately to highly
satisfied with current offerings. Seventy-nine percent were satisfied with parks (rating 4 or 5), 65% satisfied with
facilities, 62% satisfied with maintenance, 58% satisfied with athletic fields, and 57% satisfied with programs.
Open link tended to have lower satisfaction levels and were slightly more critical of current conditions.
Areas to improve at most used facility/program-Respondents who had used a City park/facility/program were asked
for comments on any improvements that could be made to their most used facility/programs. Improve most used
facility/program-continued and increased maintenance of existing facilities, connectivity/better access via pathways
and bike routes, increased communication about programs/services and renovations specifically mentioned for:
softball fields, skate park, ice rinks, bathrooms facilities.
There was information based on income, race, gender, owner/renter, how long the person lived in Saratoga Springs,
& where the person lived and usage of the facilities. Some of the slides showed both the invitation results and the
open link data. The Commission requested that all data is shown with invitation (sample), open link, and grand total
results. Cheryl Smith asked for more breakdown information on the data. Robert Manasier wanted the detailed
information for the Master Plan Committee to review. The members of the Commission will email John Hirliman
with additional questions and requests for the upcoming meeting for GreenPlay. The sample was moderately to
highly satisfied. Overall people are satisfied with Recreation. The 800 personal comments will be submitted to the
City. The sample wanted better awareness of Recreation.
Facilities, Programs, Amenities and Services – Importance of Existing Facilities – When invitation respondents were
asked how important existing facilities are to their household (1-5), trails and pathways (4.5), and
community/neighborhood park (4.4) stood out as most important. Following behind was Waterfront (3.2),
playgrounds (3.2), athletic courts, Saratoga Springs Recreation Center, and athletic fields (3.0 each); the splash pads
and Ice Rinks (2.8 each) and Skate Park (1.8).
Level of Needs Met by Existing Facilities – When asked if Saratoga Springs residents’ needs were being met,
respondents had high ratings, despite their importance to their household. Playgrounds and community
neighborhood parks (4.2 each), Saratoga Springs ice rinks, Saratoga Springs Waterfront Park (4.1 each) were
perceived as best meeting the needs of Saratoga Springs. That said, only a 0.3 difference separated most of the
facilities rated by respondents, highlighting high needs met overall.
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City of Saratoga Springs Derrick LeGall
Recreation Commission Chair
RECREATION COMMISSION Alphonse Lambert
15 Vanderbilt Avenue, Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 Amy Smith
Robert Manasier
518-587-3550 x2300 Fax 518-584-1748 Cheryl Smith
John Dowd
www.SaratogaRec.com Michelle Merola
The matrix submitted showed the importance/preference breakdown to facilities and programming. The first
quadrant was High importance/low needs met. These are key areas for potential improvements. Improving these
facilities would likely positively affect the degree to which community needs are met overall. The second quadrant
was High Importance/High Needs Met. These amenities are important to most respondents and should be
maintained in the future, but less of a priority for improvements as needs are currently being adequately met. The
third quadrant is Low Importance/Low Needs Met- These “niche” facilities have a small but passionate following,
so measuring participation when planning for future improvements may prove valuable. The fourth quadrant is Low
Importance/High Needs Met. Current levels of support appear to be adequate. Future discussions evaluating
whether the resources supporting these facilities outweigh the benefits may be constructive. Most of the facilities
are in the middle. It was explained that facilities like the skate park have a small number of interested but very
passionate participants.
Importance of Existing Programs – When invitation respondents were asked how important existing programs are to
their household, adult cultural arts (3.4), adult fitness (3.1), youth sports (2.9) and adult sports (2.9) were most
important. As a trend, adult programs tended to be more important than both senior and youth (except youth sports).
Level of Needs Met by Existing Programs – Similar to needs met by facilities, most programs were perceived as
meeting the needs of Saratoga Springs higher than importance. Youth sports (4.1), youth fitness (4.0), youth camp
(4.0), and youth cultural arts (3.9) were rated highest for meeting community needs. All adult and senior programs
had an equal average (3.6) of meeting community needs.
Importance of Future Facilities & Programs – When asked what the most important needs for Saratoga Springs to be
added/expanded/improved in the next 5 to 10 years, invitation respondents were particularly likely to place
importance on trail connectivity (4.5), maintenance to existing facilities (4.4), and community neighborhood parks
(4.1). Following were playgrounds (3.9), youth programming, aquatic facilities and athletic courts (3.8 each) in
terms of importance for the future.
Priorities to Add, Expand, and Improve – When asked to select their top three priorities for the City to
add/expand/improve, invitation respondents were most likely to report trail and pathway connectivity (45% first
priority; 73% total), followed by community/neighborhood parks (34% total), maintenance of existing facilities
(30% total), playgrounds (22% total) and senior programming (17% total).
Factors That Would Increase Usage – Invitation respondents were most likely to highlight better awareness of
programs (70%), improved connectivity (60%), improved condition/maintenance of existing parks or facilities and
increased activities/programming (37% each) as areas to address to increase usage. Lighting of outdoor facilities
(30%) and additional/new types of facilities (26%) followed for areas to increase utilization.
Financial Choices/Fees – Level of Support for Funding – Respondents were asked about potential funding options
they would support for parks and recreation facilities, operations, and development. When asked directly about their
level of support for each option, invitation respondents were most supportive of a dedicated foundation for parks and
recreation (74% would support). However, they were less supportive of increased user fees (38% would support),
new property tax for parks and recreation (38% would support) and increased property taxes (27% would support).
Communication – Effectiveness of Communication – Communication effectiveness of the City was rated on a scale
of 1=”not at all effective” to 5=”very effective”. In total, 24% rated current communication on parks and programs
as “effective” (rating 4 or 5). Of invitation respondents, 47% rated communication as “ineffective” (rated 1or 2)
with 29% as neutral or moderately effective. Open link respondents had slightly higher rating on communication
effectiveness with 40% responding 4 or 5. John Dowd said if they are a part of the Recreation email list, people are
getting information.
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City of Saratoga Springs Derrick LeGall
Recreation Commission Chair
RECREATION COMMISSION Alphonse Lambert
15 Vanderbilt Avenue, Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 Amy Smith
Robert Manasier
518-587-3550 x2300 Fax 518-584-1748 Cheryl Smith
John Dowd
www.SaratogaRec.com Michelle Merola
Best Ways To Receive Information – Respondents indicated internet/website (62%), emails from City (57%) and
parks/recreation program flyers (51%) as the best methods for communication about facilities, services and
programs. Open link respondents had a similar response with a slightly higher liking to social media (51% vs. 44%)
and lower for parks and parks & recreation program flyers (36% vs 51%). The top three ways people wanted
information was internet, website and email. At the end of the survey, respondents were given the opportunity to
provide any additional comments or suggestions about the parks and recreation facilities and programs in Saratoga
Springs. Themes that came up frequently throughout the survey were: increased maintenance at facilities/parks,
pathway and trail connectivity, renovations desired at specific facilities, and praise for keeping the parks in good
condition currently.
Jake Jorgenson explained the sample is the best information for statistical accuracy. The Open Link result is more
noise. The Sample (Invited) were randomly selected and statistically valid. The example was given that the needed
facility maintenance was higher with the open link than the invited (sample) responses. According to Jake
Jorgenson, the number of responses were pretty good. Cheryl Smith asked if there was anything that jumped out at
them? The respondents were generally satisfied. There were positive responses and they said that it meets the needs
of the community. John Dowd asked how they picked the invited (sample) responses. It was explained that each
household in the City was given a number. Then the numbers were randomly selected, and surveys were sent out.
The Recreation Commission wanted more detailed information. They requested that the information have the
invited (sample) responses, open link responses as well as the total responses listed for comparison. GreenPlay
would like feedback. John Hirliman will email any additional questions and items from the Master Plan Committee
and the Commission to GreenPlay. Bob Kernan from the LA Group discussed the survey results with the Recreation
Commission. Derrick Legall thought the number of responses were low. John Hirliman said the Project team will
review the results. There will be a presentation at the September 25, 2018 meeting. John Hirliman explained that
the company would only be coming twice. Cheryl Smith said if they are only come and read the information, I can
read. Save the money. There will be a public meeting. The Recreation Commission members recommended to
GreenPlay to present to the City Council. The final presentation will go to the City Council. John Hirliman
recommended that the Commission review the sample Amherst Recreation Master Plan. The Commission wanted
to see the financial breakdowns, maintenance, recommendations, and other costs. John Dowd wanted to make sure
that the company had met with DPW.
The Recreation Commission members received the July 31, 2018 Recreation Commission meeting minutes.
2. Discussion and Vote: 2019 Budget-The Recreation Commission received and discussed the 2019
Proposed budget.
The Revenue items were the same from the original proposal from the July Meeting which included fee and rental
increases. The only changes were to the expenditures. There was an increase in rounding in the lines, the Camp
Saradac trip and Tiny T’ball lines. There were other expenditure increases. The Comprehensive budget will be
presented at the first City Council meeting in October. There will be a meeting with the Finance Department to
discuss the 2019 proposed budget. It was recommended to meet with both DPW and Finance together. DPW figures
are included. The Recreation Commission reviewed and discussed the budget. The motion to submit the 2019
Proposed budget was made by Cheryl Smith and seconded by Michelle Merola (Approved by Voice Vote)
Adjournment -The motion to adjourn was made by Cheryl Smith at 8:39 pm and seconded by Michelle Merola
(Approved by Voice Vote) The next meeting will be at the Saratoga Springs Recreation Center on September 25,
2018 at 6:30pm. The upcoming meetings on the last Tuesday of the month are on October 30, 2018, and November
27, 2018. The December 11, 2018 6:30pm Recreation Commission meeting will be held the 2nd Tuesday of the
month due to the Holidays.
Respectfully submitted,
Kathleen Lanfear
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City of Saratoga Springs Derrick LeGall
Recreation Commission Chair
RECREATION COMMISSION Alphonse Lambert
15 Vanderbilt Avenue, Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 Amy Smith
Robert Manasier
518-587-3550 x2300 Fax 518-584-1748 Cheryl Smith
John Dowd
www.SaratogaRec.com Michelle Merola
Recreation Commission Meeting
Tuesday, August 14, 2018
6:30 pm
Agenda
Saratoga Springs Recreation Center
Attendance
Public Comment
1. Discussion and Vote: 2019 Budget
2. Discussion: Master Plan Update – Survey
Adjournment - Next Meeting – at the Saratoga Springs Recreation Center
Tuesday, September 25, 2018- 6:30 pm. at the Saratoga Springs Recreation Center - The Budget
workshops will be Wednesdays, July 18, 2018 and July 25, 2018 6:30pm. The upcoming
meetings on the last Tuesday of the month are, October 30, 2018, and November 27, 2018.
The December 11, 2018 6:30pm Recreation Commission meeting will be held the 2nd Tuesday of
the month due to the Holidays.
Meetings are at 6:30pm on the Last Tuesday of each month at the Saratoga Springs Recreation Center
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