Recreation Commission
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · November 27, 2018
Minutes
City of Saratoga Springs Derrick LeGall
Recreation Commission Chair
RECREATION COMMISSION Alphonse Lambert
15 Vanderbilt Avenue, Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 Amy Smith
Robert Manasier
518-587-3550 x2300 Fax 518-584-1748 Cheryl Smith
John Dowd
www.SaratogaRec.com Michelle Merola
Recreation Commission Meeting
Tuesday, November 27, 2018
6:30 pm
Agenda
Saratoga Springs Recreation Center
Attendance
Public Comment
Discussion and Vote: Minutes
Discussion and Vote: Recreation Department fees
Discussion: Master Plan Update
Discussion: Playground Initiative Update
Discussion: Basketball Program
Discussion: General Budget
Discussion: Directors Report
Discussion: Program Report
Adjournment - Next Meeting – Tuesday, December 11, 2018, 2018 - 6:30 pm.
Please note this is the 2nd Tuesday instead of the last at 6:30pm due to the
Holidays.
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City of Saratoga Springs Derrick LeGall
Recreation Commission Chair
RECREATION COMMISSION Alphonse Lambert
15 Vanderbilt Avenue, Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 Amy Smith
Robert Manasier
518-587-3550 x2300 Fax 518-584-1748 Cheryl Smith
John Dowd
www.SaratogaRec.com Michelle Merola
Recreation Commission Meeting
Tuesday, November 27, 2018
6:30 pm
Minutes
Saratoga Springs Recreation Center
Attendance – Amy Smith, Robert Manasier, Michelle Merola, Cheryl Smith and John Dowd.
John Hirliman and Lisa Shields
Amy Smith called the Recreation Commission meeting to order at 6:34pm.
Public Comment
Discussion and Vote: Minutes – The motion to approve the Recreation Commission the
minutes as submitted was made by Michelle Merola and seconded by Robert Manasier.
The motion was approved by voice vote.
Discussion and Vote: Recreation Department fees – The Recreation Commission reviewed the
Recreation Department fees in July during the budget process. The Camp season rates will
increase by $15.00. The weekly fees remained the same. Field User fees went up $2.00 per
hour. John Hirliman explained after taking out the supplies, dirt, etc. The amount that was left
for staff is $11.35/hour during the season. This revenue would not cover mowing, dragging, etc.
John Hirliman explained that the revenue charged does not cover the costs to maintain. Robert
Manasier said no speedy dry should be used on the East Side Little League fields. Amy Smith
said the City could not get a grounds crew for $11.35/hour. The Recreation Commission
discussed that Wilton charges more for fields. The Recreation Commission discussed field
options. John Hirliman recommended changing the Recreation Center fees back to the 2018
rates as City Hall was here. The Recreation Commission wanted to keep the $3.00/hour
increase. This will go into effect in July 2019. The Recreation Commission discussed the rental
rates of other communities, i.e. YMCA $60.00 per 1.5 hours and Wilton $70.00 per hour. Robert
Manasier said that the Department had to work on closing the gap. The Ice Rink rental for
Weibel and Vernon will increase in July 2019 by $5.00 per hour. The Ice Rink drop in program
in 2018 went down to the Child/Senior rates except for Open Public Non-City Adult. The drop
in programs will be going up $1.00 except for Open Public Non-City Adult. John Hirliman
asked not to increase the basketball program’s fees for 2019. The Recreation Commission
discussed and will be increasing the fee. The fees will go to the City Council in December 2018.
The motion to approve the 2019 Recreation Department fees was made by Michelle Merola
and seconded by Robert Manasier. The motion was approved by voice vote.
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City of Saratoga Springs Derrick LeGall
Recreation Commission Chair
RECREATION COMMISSION Alphonse Lambert
15 Vanderbilt Avenue, Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 Amy Smith
Robert Manasier
518-587-3550 x2300 Fax 518-584-1748 Cheryl Smith
John Dowd
www.SaratogaRec.com Michelle Merola
Discussion: Master Plan Update
Greenplay lost data in October. They are recovering the data. The information should be
available for the next Recreation Commission meeting but may have to move back the final
presentation to the New Year. Amy Smith asked if there will be an additional financial impact
for the delay. John Hirliman said no.
Discussion: Great Outdoors Project
John Hirliman reported that the Stakeholder’s meeting was on November 14, 2018 at the Rec.
Center. The recommendations will be going to the School’s Property Committee. Amy Smith
was concerned about the silver playground at the West Side Recreation Complex. The School
was not upgrading the playground. Amy Smith thought there was money in the project. Cheryl
Smith did not want the slide taken away. The School and the Stakeholders discussed the
upgrades to the East Side and West Side Recreation Complexes.
Discussion: Playground Initiative Update
The City will not be doing the Recreation Center 2-5 year old playground or the Geyser Crest
Courts playground at this time. The Commission wants to focus on Veterans Memorial Park.
Over $200,000.00 in donations will need to be raised. John Hirliman is speaking to the Friends
of Recreation, Grande Park, Daily Foundation and Stewarts. A video was shown to the
Recreation Commission regarding a concept for park of the Veterans Memorial Park project.
The Recreation Commission wants something different from the other parks. The 2019 Budget
will be discussed on November 28, 2018. Deputy Mayor Lisa Shields reported that most of the
Capital money will be going to the City Hall Renovations.
Discussion: Basketball Program – The Recreation Commission discussed the 2018-2019
Basketball programs. The parents are right on the court. It is tight. Amy Smith recommended
having a score timer/flip charts for parents to see how much time is left and score. The
Recreation Commission discussed an incident at one of the basketball games.
Discussion: General Budget – The Recreation Commission reviewed the general budget reports.
John Hirliman reported that there will be a revenue loss at the Recreation Center. The
information will be presented to the insurance company. John Hirliman submitted a preliminary
report of the Recreation Center loss. Amy Smith asked if the insurance covered the lost wages of
the employees. Amy Smith explained that it would have been a rider to cover the employees.
Michelle Merola asked John Hirliman to check on the insurance limit. Cheryl Smith agreed that
it would nice to know. The Recreation Commission is concerned about losing the groups and
not getting them back.
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City of Saratoga Springs Derrick LeGall
Recreation Commission Chair
RECREATION COMMISSION Alphonse Lambert
15 Vanderbilt Avenue, Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 Amy Smith
Robert Manasier
518-587-3550 x2300 Fax 518-584-1748 Cheryl Smith
John Dowd
www.SaratogaRec.com Michelle Merola
Discussion: Directors Report – The Recreation Commission received the Director’s report.
Discussion: Program Report – The soccer and basketball numbers were down this year. Boxing
is improving. Fall Volleyball was at 16.
Adjournment - The motion to adjourn the Recreation Commission was made by Cheryl
Smith and seconded by John Dowd. The motion was approved by voice vote. The next
meeting will be on Tuesday, December 11, 2018, 2018, 6:30 pm. at the Recreation Center.
Please note this is the 2nd Tuesday instead of the last due to the Holidays.
Respectfully submitted,
Kathleen Lanfear
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