Zoning Board of Appeals
Regular MeetingSchenectady, NY · March 1, 2017
Minutes
City of Schenectady
Board of Zoning Appeals
Meeting Minutes
March 1, 2017
I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Gleason called the meeting to order at 6:30 p.m.
Prior to taking the first item on the agenda, Mr. Gleason explained to the members
of the public present how the consideration of the applications would proceed. He
stated that the applicants would have an opportunity to make their presentation to
the Board, followed by any members of the public who would like to speak in
favor of the application. Next any members of the public in opposition to the
application would be invited to speak, followed by any discussion or questions the
Board members wished to put forth prior to the vote.
II. ATTENDANCE
PRESENT: James Gleason, Chair; Fred Clark; David V. Connelly, Jr.; Brendan
Keller, Helene Lester; Krystina Smith, Assistant Corporation Counsel; Jennifer
Mills, Secretary
EXCUSED: Mary D’Alessandro
III. CONFLICT OF INTEREST CHECK
None.
IV. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES
Beginning at the April 2017 meeting the Board Members will approve the
Meeting Minutes from the prior month’s meeting after having had the opportunity
to review the document and make any necessary corrections or amendments.
V. NEW BUSINESS
A. THE LEGERE GROUP LCC requests a Use Variance for 1473 Erie
Boulevard to allow for a drive-thru establishment to be located in the C-4
Downtown Commercial District which is not permitted pursuant to
Chapter 264 Schedule B.
Ray Legere and Steve Cronin, real estate broker for The Legere Group,
presented the application.
Mr. Legere stated that he is a co-owner of the Legere Group, which has
several real estate holdings nearby this site. He explained that he has been
approached by several businesses who would like to locate on the site, which
is currently used for parking for the nearby buildings the Legere Group owns.
Mr. Legere stated that fast food restaurants such as McDonalds and Starbucks
have expressed interest in the site, but that he feels that the bank would be the
best use for the property as it would have the least negative impact on the
immediate neighborhood. Mr. Legere stated that while a bank is allowed in
the C-4 District a drive-thru window is not; he explained that all free-standing
banks today require a drive-thru window be allowed in a prospective location.
He noted that when he acquired the property it was zoned industrial, and he
stated that when the re-zoning occurred in 2008 he was assured by the city
administration that it would not have a negative impact on his property.
Mr. Cronin stated that the downtown district has been changing rapidly – even
more so now that the nearby Rivers Casino has opened. He explained that
when the roundabout at Nott Street and Erie Boulevard was put in Mr. Legere
lost eighteen parking spaces, thus leaving him with a smaller area available
for development and lost revenue from the rental of those spaces. Mr. Cronin
noted that the bank would be a relatively small – an approximately 1350
square foot, 26 by 52 foot building on a 2.5 acre lot. He stated that it would
potentially have one drive-thru window and one ATM. He also noted that
directly across Front Street is the C3 Waterfront Mixed Use District, where
drive-thru windows are allowed.
Mr. Cronin stated that while there has been much interest in development on
the site from Dunkin Donuts, Starbucks, and other fast food establishments,
Mr. Legere believes that the bank would be the best use for the property. He
explained that the bank has stated that their traffic impact would be limited to
fifteen to twenty cars per day, a much lower impact on the surrounding
neighborhood than a fast food business would have. Mr. Cronin stated that he
has tried to solicit interest from other retailers, but that it has been difficult to
find one willing to locate on a lot of this size. He noted that any bank tenant
would require that a drive-thru be allowed at any potential development site.
Mr. Cronin explained that he believes that there are two potential realistic uses
for the site – a small bank or having it remain as a parking lot. He stated that
he and his clients believe that the bank would be a preferable alternative as the
property would clearly be occupied, be clean and well-lit, and would have
security cameras in operation around the clock. He noted that the bank
building might shield the Front Street neighbors from some of the noise from
the roundabout.
Mr. Legere stated that his company had given a lot of consideration to the
neighborhood when deciding to pursue the development for the bank. He
explained that they believe that it would have a minimal impact on the area,
and that the bank had expressed to him that they are most interested in the
property as a marketing and advertising location, rather than a branch where
they intend to draw many customers to the actual site. He noted that traffic
would enter off Erie Boulevard and exit either by taking a right on Erie or by
taking a right onto Front Street and then entering the roundabout.
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Mr. Connelly asked Mr. Cronin if they could share the name of the bank
interested. Mr. Cronin stated that they would if required but that they would
rather not at this time. Mr. Connelly asked if they would state where the next
closest branch of the bank is located. Mr. Cronin stated that it is not in
Schenectady County.
Mr. Legere again stated that when he purchased the property it was zoned
industrial, and a drive-thru would have been allowed. Mr. Keller asked Mr.
Legere if his company has been using the site as a parking lot. Mr. Legere
stated that they have used the lot for parking for their nearby office space.
Mr. Keller asked if they lease parking spaces to other tenants as well. Mr.
Legere stated that with the casino development they have started to lease
spaces to outside tenants, but that he had endured many years of spaces going
unused and there being very low demand for them. Mr. Keller asked how
long the site has been on the market. Mr. Cronin stated that the property was
never formally put on the market as a site for potential development, but that
once the casino opened interest ramped up and unsolicited offers started
coming in.
Mr. Keller asked about other conforming uses and if they have explored other
options. Mr. Cronin stated that a bank is a conforming use; the drive-thru is
not. Mr. Legere stated that by code he needs one parking space for every
3,000 square feet of office space, which he would still have with the bank
development. He explained that with the bank at this location he would have
more than the required spaces, but that some office tenants might demand
more, and thus he would not like to lose additional spaces to a new tenant, as
he might with a Dunkin Donuts or another more intensive use. Mr. Legere
explained that he believes that this use would have the lowest impact on the
neighborhood. Mr. Cronin stated that it is also difficult to find traditional
retail tenants due to the site’s proximity to the roundabout. Mr. Keller stated
that he would think that the heavy traffic would be good for a retail business
seeking high visibility. Mr. Legere stated that due to the location being so
close to the roundabout it is more difficult to access, making it less attractive
to a business looking to draw many cars per day. Mr. Keller commented that
he is not convinced that there has been sufficient effort invested into finding a
conforming use.
Mr. Gleason stated that he did not receive the overhead photo being referred
to by the applicants and asked if they could clarify the traffic pattern on the
site and where the building would be located. Mr. Cronin distributed copies
of the photo and explained how cars would enter and exit the site and where
the proposed building would be.
Mr. Cronin stated that he has had difficulty finding traditional retail stores
interested in the site, for the reasons discussed earlier. Mr. Keller stated that
he believes that it is apparent that the legislative intent of not allowing drive-
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thru windows in the downtown district is to encourage pedestrian traffic in the
district. He stated that by allowing a drive-thru and not requiring the
applicants to find a conforming use he believes the Board would be working
against that intent. Mr. Legere commented that he is requesting a drive-thru
for this one unique property which he does not think would set a precedent for
the entire district. Mr. Keller stated that he believes that to the contrary it
would set a clear precedent.
Mr. Cronin stated that there are not are not a lot of other viable allowed uses
that would give Mr. Legere the opportunity to generate more income from the
property than using it for parking. He noted that the property in question is on
the edge of the C-4 District and directly across Front Street from the C-3
District. He also commented that when Mr. Legere purchased the property it
was in an industrial district with many more allowed uses and now his options
have been narrowed, resulting in what they believe is a hardship.
Ms. Lester stated that she is not convinced that it is a hardship situation since
Mr. Legere stated that he has people coming to him with unsolicited offers to
develop the property. Mr. Cronin stated that Mr. Legere lost eighteen parking
spaces when the roundabout was constructed, at a loss of $25 per space per
month, and that he is unable to maximize the potential of the property because
of the rezoning – thus resulting in a hardship. Ms. Lester asked if the bank in
Mohawk Harbor will have a drive-thru window. Mr. Cronin replied that it
will. Mr. Clark commented that drive thru windows are prohibited in the C-4
District for a reason, and that he does not believe that the applicants have
shown that this property should be an exception.
Mr. Cronin stated that he believes that this site is very different from the heart
of downtown. He stated that other drive-thru establishments, such as a
Dunkin Donuts or Starbucks, might have an undesirable effect on the
neighborhood, with increased traffic, long lines of cars stacking, and increased
noise and loitering, but that the bank would have much less of an impact. He
stated that the portion of the zoning code describing a drive thru seems to
imply a much greater impact than would be the case here. Mr. Legere read
aloud the portion of the code describing a drive-thru.
Mr. Keller stated that he believes that the code exactly addresses the type of
development being proposed in this situation. He explained that Mr. Legere
and Mr. Cronin had stated that the change in the neighborhood and the
increased traffic had in fact benefitted Mr. Legere’s business. He explained
that the Board has no desire to limit how much money can be made from the
property, but that Mr. Legere has not proven that he cannot realize a
reasonable return without a variance. Mr. Legere stated that he had received
an offer from a pawn shop that would be willing to pay a lot of money to
locate at this site, but that he is not interested in bringing that kind of business
to the neighborhood. Mr. Keller stated that he understands what Mr. Legere is
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saying and commends him for his consideration of what is best for the
neighborhood, but that it has nothing to do with him proving a hardship,
which is required for the Board to justify granting a variance. Mr. Clark
stated that the Board had denied another variance for a drive-thru very near
this property for the same reason.
Mr. Cronin stated that Mr. Legere runs his business with a strong sense of
responsibility to the residents of Schenectady and what is best for the City and
that he gave up a portion of his property for the roundabout. He noted that
having a bank in this location would have a very low impact on the
neighborhood, and that it has been difficult to find potential businesses that
would be a better fit. Ms. Lester stated that clearly there have been other
offers, such as a pawn shop, which proves interest from a business that would
not require a drive-thru. Mr. Cronin stated that he believes this property to be
unique and that it why the Board exists; to consider unique situations on a
case-by-case basis. He noted that when Mr. Legere purchased the property it
was zoned Industrial, and thus had many more potential uses allowed.
Mr. Gleason asked Mr. Legere and Mr. Cronin if they had anything more to
present. They stated that they did not. Mr. Gleason next opened the floor for
public comments.
PUBLIC COMMENTS IN FAVOR
Tom O’Connor of the Capital Region Chamber spoke in favor of the
application. He stated that one of the main goals of the Chamber is to
promote tourism in the area, which the bank would support by offering
banking services to visitors. He added that if the legislative intent of
prohibiting drive-thru windows is to promote pedestrian use of the area, this
should not directly pertain to this site where pedestrian traffic has been
specifically discouraged. Mr. O‘Connor noted that the Chamber will be
moving their offices from State Street to one of the office buildings adjacent
to the site, and that Chamber employees as well as other office workers in the
area would welcome a bank for their use.
PUBLIC COMMENTS IN OPPOSITION
Mary Ann Ruscitto, resident of 205 Front Street, spoke in opposition to the
application. She explained that she has great respect for Mr. Legere and that
he has been a good neighbor and takes care of his properties, but that the
increased traffic from a bank with a drive-thru on the site would be
detrimental to the neighborhood. She noted that before consideration is given
to incoming tourists it should be given to the residents, many of whom have
lived in the area for a very long time. Mr. Keller asked Ms. Ruscitto how the
traffic would affect the Front Street neighborhood, if cars will be encouraged
to exit right onto Front Street to go through the roundabout. Ms. Ruscitto
replied that inevitably cars will turn left and cut through the neighborhood to
avoid the heavy traffic at the roundabout and that section of Erie Boulevard.
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She noted that even before the roundabout and the development of Mohawk
Harbor drivers would go down Front Street and through the Stockade to
access 890.
Carmella Ruscitto, resident of 205 Front Street and President of the East Front
Street Neighborhood Association, also spoke in opposition to the application.
She echoed her sister Mary Ann’s concerns, stating that any business at the
site would bring additional traffic which would negatively impact the
neighborhood.
Chris Morris of 305 Front Street spoke in opposition to the application. She
stated that she does not believe that the neighborhood can handle any
additional traffic, and echoed Mary Ann Ruscitto’s comments that cars exiting
the bank would likely cut through the neighborhood to avoid entering traffic
on Erie Boulevard. She gave an example of waiting in traffic at one of the
side streets behind a driver attempting to make a left out onto Erie, stating that
the driver eventually gave up and turned right. Mr. Keller asked Ms. Morris if
she has any objections specific to the drive-thru. Ms. Morris stated that if a
business must go on the site she believes that a bank would have the least
negative impact, but that she would prefer to see no additional traffic drawn to
the site.
Seeing no further members of the public wishing to speak Mr. Gleason closed
the public comment portion of the meeting.
CONTINUED DISCUSSION
Mr. Gleason noted that although it might not be clear exactly why the City
chose not to allow drive-thru establishments in the C-4 district, they are not
allowed and granting a variance would set a precedent. He stated that the
Board had already denied a variance for a drive-thru on a neighboring
property, and thus if they were to support this variance they would need to
make a very strong argument as to why the two cases differ. Mr. Keller stated
that the cases are very similar, and thus granting a variance in this case could
be interpreted as going against a precedent already set. Mr. Gleason agreed.
Mr. Connelly stated that some people foresaw that the level of traffic
generated by the casino and other development at Mohawk Harbor could be a
potential problem and that the situation is one that is new and still developing.
He stated that while he always tries to consider applications from a pro-
business perspective, he feels that this area is very much in flux right now and
the applicants have a burden to show how not having a variance would be a
hardship, which in his opinion they have not done. In addition, Mr. Connelly
explained that he feels that the arguments made have not been strong enough
to override the concerns of the neighbors and the traffic issues that they are
facing.
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Mr. Keller stated that he questioned the validity of Mr. O’Connor’s comment
that a bank drawing fifteen cars a day would be promoting tourism in the area.
Counselor Smith noted that City Planner Primiano had asked her to convey to
the board that tabling the application and asking for a traffic study could be an
option if they feel that the outcome of the study could impact their decision.
Mr. Gleason stated that he does not think that a traffic study would be
necessary. The other board members concurred. Mr. Keller stated that if the
application were to be tabled the onus would still be on the applicant to prove
his case for hardship. Mr. Gleason called for a vote.
DENIAL OF USE VARIANCE
Motion by Mr. Keller, seconded by Mr. Clark, to deny the application based
on the following findings of fact:
1. The applicant can realize a reasonable return with the allowed uses.
2. The alleged hardship relating to the property is not unique, and does
apply to a substantial portion of the district or neighborhood.
3. The requested use variance will alter the essential character of the
neighborhood.
4. The alleged hardship has been self-created.
Motion carried unanimously.
B. UPSTATE AUTO REPAIRS requests Area Variances for a sign at 815
Eastern Avenue to allow for a freestanding sign that is not set back 20
feet from the intersection of the curb lines forming such corner pursuant
to Chapter 264-34 and to allow for a sign that is 10 feet tall where 7 feet
tall is permitted pursuant to Chapter 264 Schedule I.
The applicant failed to appear at the meeting and the application was not
considered.
VI. MOTION TO ADJOURN
Motion by Mr. Clark, seconded by Mr. Keller, to adjourn the meeting.
Motion carried unanimously.
Meeting was adjourned at 7:52 p.m.
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Agenda
CITY OF SCHENECTADY
NEW YORK
BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
Room 14, City Hall, Jay Street
SCHENECTADY, NY 12305-1938
(518) 382-5147
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that a meeting of the City of Schenectady Board of
Zoning Appeals will be held on Wednesday, March 1, 2017, at 6:30PM, Room 110, City
Hall, Jay Street, Schenectady, New York 12305 at which time persons interested in the
following appeals will be heard:
THE LEGERE GROUP LLC requests a Use Variance for 1473 Erie Boulevard to allow or
a drive-thru establishment to be located in the C-4 Downtown Commercial District which is
not permitted pursuant to Chapter 264 Schedule B.
UPSTATE AUTO REPAIRS requests Area Variances for a sign at 815 Eastern Avenue to
allow for a freestanding sign that is not setback 20 feet from the intersection of the curb lines
forming such corner pursuant to Chapter 264-34 and to allow for a sign that is 10 feet tall
where 7 feet tall is permitted pursuant to Chapter 264 Schedule I.
James Gleason, Chairman
Schenectady Board of Zoning Appeals
Ref. #CU19855 IBM PP90479
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