City Council Budget Meeting - ARCHIVED
Regular MeetingSouth Jordan, UT · January 24, 2024
Minutes
SOUTH JORDAN CITY
CITY COUNCIL BUDGET MEETING
January 24, 2024
Present: Mayor Dawn R. Ramsey, Council Member Patrick Harris, Council Member
Kathie Johnson, Council Member Don Shelton, Council Member Tamara Zander,
Council Member Jason McGuire, City Manager Dustin Lewis, Assistant City
Manager Jason Rasmussen, Director of Commerce Brian Preece, Director of
Strategy & Budget Don Tingey, Fire Chief Chris Dawson, Director of
Administrative Services Melinda Seager, Director of Public Works Raymond
Garrison, Director of Recreation Janell Payne, CFO Sunil Naidu, Director of
Planning Steven Schaefermeyer, Police Chief Jeff Carr, Human Resources
Director Teresa Cook, IT Director Jon Day, City Recorder Anna Crookston,
Meeting Transcriptionist Diana Baun
Absent:
Others:
5:15 P.M.
BUDGET MEETING
A. Welcome, Roll Call, and Introduction: By Mayor Dawn R. Ramsey
Mayor Ramsey welcomed everyone present and introduced the meeting.
B. Invocation: By Director of City Commerce, Brian Preece
Director Preece offered the invocation.
C. Discussion Item
C.1. Fiscal Year 2024-25 Budget.
City Manager Dustin Lewis gave a brief review of the last budget meeting. He reviewed staffing
requests and shared his recommendations for those requests, noting there were 29 full-time a few
part-time positions requested.
- Associate Director of Administrative Services
o Manager Lewis reviewed the department’s duties and noted that as a former
director in that department he knows how complex and varied that department is.
He did not recommend hiring that position at this time, believing they can get by
for a little longer without filling that position.
- Communications Department, specifically a part-time Intern
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o Manager Lewis recommended including the position into the budget due to the
amount of outreach and marketing being done within the city.
- Police Department, specifically two sergeants, two officers, and an animal control officer.
o Manager Lewis noted that as a growing city, we are constantly trying to keep up
and avoid getting behind. The department’s initial request was for five people. He
feels strongly they should hire the two police sergeants. Regarding the two
officers, he thinks they are very much needed as well. After the previous case
management software discussion, he is recommending hiring the two sergeants
and one officer, using the funds intended for the second officer to institute and
implement the case management software since the cost would actually be less
than hiring an actual physical officer and outfitting them for the job. Regarding
the request for an animal control officer, he gave a brief history of the position
and our staffing partnership with Herriman City for animal control services.
Herriman now has their own facility and have separated from partnering with
South Jordan. They are currently short-staffed in animal control with an employee
being out on FMLA leave, and have temporarily moved an employee from Public
Works to help with that coverage. However, even when the employee returns,
they will need the additional staffing to provide adequate services to residents,
and he is recommending filling that position at this time.
Mayor Ramsey asked if Pam’s vacancy was ever filled when she retired.
Manager Lewis responded that yes, it was filled but they are just short manpower now with the
separation from Herriman.
Council Member Shelton asked for a brief review of the Case Management Software and the
reasons for implementing it.
Manager Lewis and Police Chief Jeff Carr reviewed the purpose of the software and the benefits
of implementing it in the city, as well as what the police department has learned from trialing the
software internally.
Council Member Shelton asked how user-friendly the software is realistically, as he personally
feels that some of the city’s current systems are not necessarily user-friendly from the public’s
point of view.
Manager Lewis added that the software is AI driven, and interacting with it will be just like
interacting with a physical officer in terms of the questions asked and the progression of those
questions.
Council Member Zander asked about the average salary of a new officer and agreed with the
comments that choosing the AI driven software over a new physical officer would actually save
quite a bit of money since they don’t have to pay to outfit the software with all the standard
equipment and a car.
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- Fire Department – Medical Training Captain
o Manager Lewis noted that this has been discussed in the past and is certainly
needed as the department grows and with the amount of medical done. In the
coming years he is also aware that they will need to bring a lot of fire staff on
board with new stations being built. Upon looking at the numbers of people
involved in staffing those kinds of positions, both he and Sunil suggested holding
off on hiring the medical captain and make that part of the plans to hire staff
during the coming growth. In the past, when planning to staff new fire stations,
they typically spread that hiring over a couple of years. With that in mind they are
thinking long term regarding strategy for hiring those additional 40 people for the
fire department over the next couple of years, and starting to think about how that
will fit into the budget.
- Human Resources – HR Administrative Assistant
o Manager Lewis noted there is no doubt there is a need in that department, as there
are over 400 full-time employees, along with seasonal and part-time employees.
He noted they are looking for ways to use software to help with some of the work,
and he is not recommending hiring the HR position this year.
- Building and Engineering – Full- time Code Compliance Officer
o Manager Lewis reviewed the previous discussions about the city getting into
parking enforcement business, and they would need a full-time position just to get
that started, with more being added on after that. He added that all building
inspectors within the city double as code-compliance officers when they have
time. Inspectors used to be too busy with all the construction, but last year it was
noted there was a significant downturn in the number of permits, which in turn
reduced the number of inspections, freeing up time for the building inspectors.
Given the current trend, he feels this can hold for a year and allow our current
building inspectors to augment what needs to happen there; he is not
recommending that position be filled at this time.
- Recreation and Events
o Manager Lewis noted that this department over the years has always asked for
positions, and has always been bumped, usually for public safety. The recreation
department puts on a lot of activities in the city. In the last year to year and a half
they have had to cancel some events because the staffing wasn’t there to cover
everything going on. He took these requests very seriously, knowing they haven’t
had the staffing to keep up with the growth over the last few years and knowing
what will be needed for public safety in the next few years, it could be a while for
these positions to be added. South Jordan is adding a baseball program, and the
city is quickly gaining a reputation as a ‘baseball destination city” and our little
league programs need to reflect in our partnerships. That information played a lot
into the requested positions and he is recommending the following positions be
added into the budget:
Grant and Sponsorship Coordinator. If this position can be filled, it could
be very helpful in working better with the community and keeping
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different departments from duplicating requests. Having someone that can
closely watch the grants awarded to the city, that can look for
opportunities for grants. The position would probably pay for itself and
then some. He is recommending filling this position. The position may
change slightly as they develop the job description and narrow down what
they want the position to accomplish.
Council Member Zander noted that if she were hiring for this position in the private sector, she
would bonus the position, and asked if that would be possible in the public sector. She strongly
suggested that someone in that position should be bonused, as it would be great motivation to get
the job done, and if the expectations are exceeded a bonus would be given.
Manager Lewis responded that is a very sticky situation in the public sector. He agreed to look
into it, as he understands it is great motivation. He gave the example that when engineers in the
private sector save $30 million on a job, they get a $100,000 bonus. When our city engineers do
that he can only give them a $400 gift card and say “thanks.” The hope is that the position will
be a huge benefit to the team, and that’s partly why he’s recommending filling the position,
along with believing that the city is now at a size where that position needs to exist; he feels
Recreation is a good spot for that. He will look into that and see what prohibitions or other limits
exist in regards to bonuses. He continued with the next position requested in the Recreation
Department.
Event Coordinator. With the sheer volume of events the city is trying to do
year round, Recreation just doesn’t have the staff to keep up and he is
recommending filling that position.
Mayor Ramsey asked about Natalie’s title, thinking she was already the event coordinator.
Manager Lewis responded that she is the Special Events Coordinator currently, the requested
position would be in addition to her current one. He added that in Recreation currently they have
only six employees running all of that stuff for the entire city, and there is a lot that goes on
behind the scenes that isn’t seen by the general public. He continued with the next requested
position in Recreation.
Full-time Recreation Coordinator, dedicated to baseball. The city currently
has two coordinators that deal with softball and soccer, all of those events,
and they are maxed out; they don’t have room to add a program like
baseball and the thousands of participants, management of coaches and
umpires, all of those elements involved. He thinks it is in the city’s best
interest to have a dedicated person to run baseball.
Council Member Harris asked what that position would look like, being that baseball is a
seasonal sport.
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Manager Lewis responded that during the non-playing months there is still a lot that happens
behind the scenes with baseball. Bingham Baseball has already been doing things for the last few
months to ramp up for the new season. There is a bit of capacity there, which will quickly be
eaten up by assisting the other event coordinators and programs when needed. He continued with
the next requested position in Recreation.
Public Art Coordinator. A new Arts Plan was recently adopted and there is
a lot happening there, including the Art’s Council becoming much more
involved and the city including many more activities. He doesn’t have the
budget to fill that position this year, so he will not recommend that
position at this time. Currently Tiffany is doing a fantastic job in this area
and all these new positions will be helping her out. He knows there is a lot
coming in the arts world and she will need that help.
Council Member McGuire realizes there isn’t room for that position now, but the arts
programming being offered really does need another person. He is sure they will adapt with the
other positions and their free time.
Part-Time Museum Assistant. Manager Lewis added that the museum has
also gained huge popularity with influencers posting about it and the
Mayor noted she had seen those posts and agreed with their popularity.
Maren and the team there have done amazing with their make and take
projects, along with having exciting exhibits. They have asked for a part-
time museum assistant to simply ensure enough bodies to keep the
museum doors open with the significant and growing numbers of visitors
per month.
Mayor Ramsey added that they should be mindful of the strategy creating the high traffic in the
museum, especially as it relates to other events in the city with turnout numbers less than
expected. There were around 3800 likes on a social media post that promoted the Gale Center
Museum, with tons of comments. There could be other times when engaging with other people to
share our good story could be really good for the city.
Manager Lewis also added that some of the Recreation team is housed over there and this part-
time museum employee requested could lend help to other projects as needed.
Council Member McGuire asked if part of that need was due to having less volunteer docents
compared to past years.
Manager Lewis responded that this would help when docents are unable to make a shift, or when
there are gaps in coverage; it is really an all-purpose solution that will help in that area. He
continued with the Recreation requests.
Two Seasonal Part-time Cemetery workers. The cemetery is unique in that
the work schedule is hard to predict. There is also a lot of acreage
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requiring a lot of weeding and trimming, which has required contracting
out for help; he thinks it is more cost effective to have people on staff for
that. After speaking with Director Garrison about the request, it was
discovered that they were underutilizing some part-time positions
currently approved in the Streets Division. Through discussions, they felt
it would be more useful to move those towards the part-time cemetery
seasonal positions. Director Garrison was willing to make
accommodations for that and that would be his recommendation to address
those two part-time cemetery worker requests. Ultimately, that should end
up saving money, no longer having to contract out for extra labor when
needed. This also allows some of the cemetery workers to take a vacation
day in the summer, as they need all three workers when there is a burial,
and those typically occur on Fridays and Saturdays.
- Public Works Department
o Manager Lewis reiterated that we are a growing city, with anticipation of building
a second public works facility on the west side in the near future. He sat down
with the department head and discussed visioning what staffing needs to look like
over the next few years. How do they get there and what should the organizational
chart look like now to set us up to make those transitions to being a big city,
having multiple Public Works lots, and dividing the workforce in a way that
makes sense. He gave the example that they know we do many more meter sets
on the west side, because that is where all the building is happening. However,
there are more cleaning and storm drains on the east side, so they know many
services and needs have geographical components. They developed an
organizational chart of what they think things will need to look like when the
Public Works Department has 150 employees and geographically covers 26
square miles of city, and worked backwards from there. To make some of the
requests work, Director Garrison was willing to make changes now in combining
some division and doing other things to set the city up for that future. Requests
were made for a Street Supervisor and two Streets Maintenance Workers. With
the changes made, they have found a way to make that work in the budget.
- Parks Department
o Becoming a “baseball city” means we want our fields, and parks around those
fields, to be well-maintained and safe. Last year we required Bingham Baseball to
maintain the fields and the areas surrounding them, and it just didn’t work out
with players and parents complaining. As a result, he recommends hiring a
ballfield maintenance foreman as a specialty position in the Parks Department.
They will have the primary role of taking care of and maintaining the city’s
baseball and softball fields around the city, now and in the future. He also
suggested hiring a Parks Supervisor for Event Support, due to all the events we
are putting on. This position would ensure there is always someone there to
control and direct the setting up and taking down of events. During the slower
periods they would help fill needed gaps in the Parks Department. There was also
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a request for four Parks Maintenance workers. They were able to find the budget
for, and he recommended filling, two of those positions. He would love to fill all
four since a few years ago it was shown we were short about 34 FTEs in Parks,
but staff feels they can fund two of those positions and that is his
recommendation.
Council Member Zander asked if users were required to maintain the fields previously, and we
are having to take that back on, are we raising the fees to help compensate for that.
Manager Lewis noted that the city will now be the user, rather than Bingham Baseball; all their
registration fees will now come to the city, rather than to Bingham Baseball. There will still be
outside users scheduling use of the fields, and for all users the city will have to assess and charge
the appropriate fees to cover the costs, rather than subsidizing them. He also noted that our city’s
fees are the cheapest around because we’ve never raised them, and that will be part of the
creation of these new baseball positions, assessing that to make sure our fees are appropriate.
- Storm Drain Division, which is an Enterprise Fund
o Manager Lewis said they requested a part-time person, and after analysis it is
within the Enterprise Fund and he recommended filling that since it can be
supported. This is to help with the growing infrastructure needs of the city.
- Water Division, which is an Enterprise Fund
o Manager Lewis said there was a request for a Backflow Technician, to help keep
up with growth. The Enterprise Fund can support that and he recommends filling
that.
- Mulligans, which is an Enterprise Fund
o Manager Lewis said there is a request there for two full-time positions. The first is
an additional Golf Course Maintenance Worker. We are really trying to make
things look good and they need that extra hand there. They have had to borrow
from other departments at times to help out and that additional full-time person
would solve that problem. The other position is a Food Service Coordinator,
which is something new and unique. There have been lots of experiments with
food service at Mulligans, and his hope is that this position will help the city
figure out what needs to happen inside Mulligans, but also support the scheduling
of the help that runs that part of the Caddy Shack. He is also hoping this person
will help with the concessions at the baseball and softball fields, as we will be
taking that over and making it a revenue center for the city. His also hoping that
person will help out in other things like providing the meals before council, events
requiring meals, etc.
Council Member Shelton asked if he could get a copy of the list of requests and the
recommendations.
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Manager Lewis responded they could do that. He then moved on to discuss existing employees
and career ladder requests, with 96 requests for career ladders from all the departments. He
believes they will be able to fund all of those after speaking with HR. HR has also researched
current rates for positions in the city and they are working to make sure that our pay is
competitive in today’s market.
Council Member Zander asked about what was considered “out of market.”
Manager Lewis responded this year that included the Attorney’s Office, Information
Technology, Parks Department, and a few specific positions within the Fire Department. He
discussed the premium costs for medical and dental insurance, and the importance of continuing
to provide good insurance while keeping things stable for employees. He also discussed
adjustments on the general pay plans in regards to step plans to keep the city competitive. They
are also still watching the legislative process, which could cause some adjustments in these
recommendations in the future.
Council Member Shelton asked if the compensation committee has looked at the COLAs.
Manager Lewis responded that they did look at that. Council Member Shelton is now on the
compensation committee, but the last meeting was last year before he was appointed to that
committee, which is why he hasn’t seen anything. If everyone is comfortable with his
recommendations they will continue down the path discussed tonight.
Council Member Shelton asked about experience levels with these changes, will police and fire
response times remain the same or get better, will the parks continue to be maintained at the level
expected; he just wants to make sure they are making these changes with a focus on resident
satisfaction.
Manager Lewis responded that there shouldn’t be any differences in the emergency response
levels, until they really start growing west, which will start affecting the fire response times as a
result of geographical changes. That is a big reason why they are looking at Station 65, to cover
that larger distance. Hiring the officers and the new AI solution does help keep up with growth as
well.
Chief Carr added that with the AI implementation, if what’s being seen in the industry is true,
30%-40% of calls are what they deem “late reports” and this software should help free up time.
This allows more physical officers to be available for in progress calls and spend more time on
things like traffic issues, which would help bring traffic complaints down.
Manager Lewis added that having the Communication Intern to help with marketing and
coverage of programs will add to their communication potential, and the part-time workers at the
cemetery will help with experience levels as well. All of these positions will either help maintain
the current levels or bring them back to the level they once were and be foundational in keeping
those levels going forward.
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Mayor Ramsey is looking forward to the Grant and Sponsorship Coordinator, having one person
oversee that will be a huge help and pay for itself.
Manager Lewis moved on to discuss the city’s invitation last year to partner with the LIVE
Daybreak group for the End of Summer Bash. By all reports it was successful and welcomed in
the community. They have reached out regarding doing that again, and he wanted to discuss the
resources required for that to ensure they are allocated for. He referenced Attachment A which
showed the costs last year with the estimated costs for the same event this year.
Recreations Director Janell Payne shared that with the lessons learned from last year there were
some adjustments to make. If the city wants to continue as a true partner in this event there are
some unique resources within the city in Risk Management and Incident Command Systems
used for large scale events. She would like to collaborate more with LIVE Daybreak and have a
good emergency action and incident management plan like we already do for big events like
Summerfest and Light the Night. That would take some additional personnel time, which is
reflected in the information on Attachment A. Right before this meeting she was given some
information from the LIVE Daybreak Director that they anticipate some costs going up and
would like to increase their ask from the city for the drone portion of the event to $14,000, which
moves the total up to about $31,000.
Manager Lewis asked the council how they feel about the information and the event. There are
some advantages partnering with LIVE Daybreak and participating in this, and he reviewed
those. However, he wants the council to be aware of the price tag associated with the partnership.
Mayor Ramsey noted that Saturday at the Polar Plunge benefitting Special Olympics Utah,
which LIVE Daybreak helped put on and was a wildly successful event, our emergency response
team was fantastic. It was really well done between all the parties sponsoring and running it. The
LIVE Daybreak people spoke to her throughout and after the event, and multiple times
throughout the day they expressed to her and her family that they would really love to partner
with the city on more things if interested. She agrees that the partnerships with them are a good
thing for all involved, but she wanted to note that while she appreciates LIVE Daybreak
committing to additional prominent promotion of Summerfest, the event was marketed last year
as a LIVE Daybreak End of Summer Bash event. If South Jordan is going to put these kinds of
resources and time into it, it has to be appropriately marketed with South Jordan’s name just as
prominent as LIVE Daybreak if it is being hosted together.
Manager Lewis will take that message back to them.
Council Member McGuire suggested naming the event “End of Summer Bash” with the two
logos in the Sponsorship section.
Council Member Zander said she would say no to the $2000, and tell LIVE Daybreak that in lieu
of giving them the money the city is adding additional staff and doing improved emergency
incident action. They will do it with or without the city, despite their claims otherwise. Their
budget has been cut so of course they are leaning on the city for that. We should provide our best
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resources, and here that is the emergency incident staff. Every time the city shows up with our
police and fire, that costs a lot of money and they don’t feel or recognize that to the degree that
the city does.
Manager Lewis added that the city’s Emergency Manager, Aaron Sainsbury, had the opportunity
to take several members of Janell’s team to Park City to see how they plan for the Sundance Film
Festival and see how their incident action planning works. They were able to attend the briefing
for that with the kickoff, which continues to add to the knowledge in that area we bring to the
table.
Council Member Zander agreed, noting that the city’s biggest value here isn’t monetary, it’s our
partnership and experienced personnel. She also agreed with the mayor’s sentiments that all
marketing from Daybreak should clearly state that they are South Jordan, not just Daybreak. The
council has done such a great job communicating that this is all South Jordan, and Dan and his
team need to rework things on their end if they want this partnership. Things need to be done
with the two groups side by side, not stacked, and if we are participating monetarily we should
be expecting and demanding specific things if they want us to partner on this. She loves this and
wants to see it move forward.
Assistant City Manager Jason Rasmussen suggested requesting LIVE Daybreak share their
marketing and branding with the city before giving the financial commitment to the event, and
the council agreed.
Manager Lewis noted that the next budget meeting will be to discuss the Capital Improvement
Projects in the future.
The council agreed that they are comfortable to go ahead with what was presented.
Council Member Zander motioned to adjourn the January 24, 2024 City Council Budget
Meeting. Council Member Shelton seconded the motion; vote was 5-0 unanimous in favor.
The January 24, 2024 City Council Budget Meeting adjourned at 6:25 p.m.
This is a true and correct copy of the January 24, 2024 City Council Budget Meeting
Minutes, which were approved on February 6, 2024.
South Jordan City Recorder
Attachment A
Agenda
CITY OF SOUTH JORDAN
CITY COUNCIL BUDGET MEETING AGENDA
COUNCIL WORK ROOM
WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 24, 2024 at 5:00 p.m.
Notice is hereby given that the South Jordan City Council will hold a Budget Meeting on Wednesday,
January 24, 2024, at South Jordan City Hall, in the Council Work Room located at 1600 W. Towne Center
Drive, South Jordan, Utah. Persons with disabilities requesting assistance should contact the City Recorder
at least 24 hours prior to the meeting.
Budget Meeting Agenda: 5:00 p.m.
A. Welcome, Roll Call, and Introduction: By Mayor, Dawn R. Ramsey
B. Invocation: By Director of City Commerce, Brian Preece
C. Discussion Item:
C.1. Fiscal Year 2024-25 Budget.
ADJOURNMENT
CERTIFICATE OF POSTING
STATE OF UTAH )
COUNTY OF SALT LAKE )
I, Anna Crookston, the duly appointed City Recorder of South Jordan City, Utah, certify that the foregoing
City Council Agenda was emailed to at least one newspaper of general circulation within the geographic
jurisdiction of the public body. The agenda was also posted at the principal office of the public body and
also posted on the Utah State Public Notice Website http://www.utah.gov/pmn/index.html and on South
Jordan City’s website at www.sjc.utah.gov. Published and posted January 22, 2024.
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