Combined City Council & Redevelopment Agency Study Meeting - ARCHIVED
Regular MeetingSouth Jordan, UT · January 18, 2022
Minutes
SOUTH JORDAN CITY
CITY COUNCIL STUDY MEETING
January 18, 2022
Present: Mayor Dawn R. Ramsey, Council Member Tamara Zander, Council Member
Patrick Harris, Council Member Brad Marlor, Council Member Don Shelton,
Council Member Jason McGuire, City Manager Gary Whatcott, Assistant City
Manager Dustin Lewis, City Attorney Ryan Loose, Planning Director Steven
Schaefermeyer, Director of Administrative Services Spencer Kyle, Director of
Public Works Jason Rasmussen, City Engineer Brad Klavano, CFO Sunil Naidu,
Strategic Services Director Don Tingey, City Commerce Director Brian Preece,
Director of Government Affairs Melinda Seager, Police Chief Jeff Carr, Fire
Chief Chris Dawson, IT Director Jon Day, GIS Coordinator Matt Jarman, City
Recorder Anna Crookston, Meeting Transcriptionist Diana Baun, Associate
Director of Recreation Services Janell Payne, Communications Manager Rachael
Van Cleave, Assistant City Attorney Greg Simonsen
Others: CJ, Janice McClellan, Ed Oglevy, Tom Henriod, Chris Gamvroulas, Serra
Nemelka
4:48 PM
STUDY MEETING
A. Welcome, Roll Call and Introduction: By Mayor Dawn Ramsey
Mayor Dawn Ramsey welcomed everyone present and introduced the meeting. She excused
Council Member Patrick Harris and noted he was expected any time.
B. Invocation: By Council Member Patrick Harris
Council Member Patrick Harris had not arrived yet, Council Member Tamara Zander offered the
invocation.
C. Mayor and Council Coordination
Council Member Patrick Harris joined the meeting in person.
Council Member Brad Marlor met with a developer looking at some property west of River Park,
up on the hillside. He believes they will be coming before the council in a study meeting in the
near future regarding the property.
Council Member Patrick Harris said he has been working with the same developer to help them
create something that will be within the parameters of what our council would likely consider.
Council Member Marlor has also been encouraging them to move in a slightly different direction
on a few of the items, hopefully lessen or avoid issues when this comes before the council.
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Planning Director Steven Schaefermeyer asked if this is the property behind Lifetime or Market
Street.
Council Member Marlor said it was the property behind Lifetime. This party was already
working with staff, but they have indicated they are just about ready to move forward with the-
next step.
Council Member Don Shelton said this Saturday at 8:00 a.m. will be the first legislative update
for the Western Growth Coalition; the meeting is being done virtually.
Director of Government Affairs Melinda Seager said this meeting is not regularly public noticed,
but she will send the information to the City Recorder for that purpose.
Council Member Tamara Zander mentioned the Utah League of Cities and Towns (ULCT) Local
Officials Day at the Capitol for our Youth City Council tomorrow; the council and staff
discussed their plans for the day and where they needed to be.
Mayor Dawn Ramsey said there is a board meeting for the League tomorrow. Additionally, there
will be a coordinating meeting before their Council of Governments (COG) meeting they are
having at the Capitol on Thursday. They have invited Representative Waldrip to speak at their
League Board Meeting tomorrow, he is joining with Senator Anderegg leading the charge on
housing this session. She had some good discussion and debate with them last week at the
Economic Opportunities Commission.
City Manager Gary Whatcott said the council and administrative staff have been invited to
Bingham High School on Thursday, January 27. They will be celebrating the re-opening of the
auditorium and having a special presentation.
Mayor Ramsey said this will be a ticketed event and email invitations will be sent soon. She also
discussed the new sales tax bill being presented and where things are at right now. She had the
chance to speak on behalf of cities and explain why she feels the way she does, along with why
the League Board isn’t supportive of the current bill. She also had a chance to explain why she
voted no on behalf of the cities, she was the only “no” vote in the UEOC. The motion was made
by President Adams to accept the bill and continue working on it, knowing there is still work to
do; however, this was not the wording of the proposed motion and it was not read that way.
D. Discussion/Review of Regular Council Meeting
Oath of Office Ceremony:
District #3 Council Member, Don Shelton
Consent Action Items:
Resolution R2022-10, Arts Council Appointments
Resolution R2022-11, Planning Commission Appointments
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Public Hearing Items:
Resolution R2022-09, Amending FY 2021-22 Budget.
Resolution RDA 2022-01, Amending FY 2021-22 Budget.
Ordinance 2022-05, Amending 2.20.120, salaries of the Mayor and Council Members.
Ordinance 2022-06, Fixing the compensation for the South Jordan Mayor and City
Council.
Ordinance 2022-07, Setting forth compensation for Mayor Dawn R. Ramsey.
Council Member Shelton sent some questions to CFO Sunil Naidu beforehand regarding the
budget, he indicated those questions were answered appropriately.
E. Discussion Items
E.1. Art Council Appointment. (By Assistant City Manager, Dustin Lewis)
Assistant City Manager Dustin Lewis introduced Janice McClellan, who has been a member of
the Arts Council for a number of years. Her term expired at the end of December and she has
expressed a willingness to serve another term as the Mayor’s appointment to the council.
Janice McClellan introduced herself. She lives in West Jordan, but just on the border, and she
walks all over South Jordan so she feels like part of the city. She joined the Arts Council in 2014,
when Lori Shepherd was in charge. They went to high school together and Ms. McClellan
decorated for their class reunion and Ms. Shepherd brought her in after that. She has learned a lot
and enjoys learning about what’s going on with the city, helping to plan activities and ways we
can make it look better. She has had her own painting and wallpaper business for about 40 years
this year. She also does decorative painting, so she does a lot of fun art and sees a lot of fun art.
She mainly wallpapers every day for a lot of high-end homes and clients, it keeps her climbing a
ladder every day and wringing out sponges as a glorified wall washer.
ACM Lewis mentioned he believes she was part of the group that initiated the wraps on the
utility boxes.
Ms. McClellan said yes, she loved that project and added that she had the chance to do a few
bike themed pictures for the box wraps.
The council thanked her for her willingness to serve.
E.2. Residential Care Facilities. (By City Attorney, Ryan Loose)
City Attorney Ryan Loose said he and Assistant City Attorney Greg Simonsen have been
discussing residential treatment facilities. These are group living homes and other types of
treatment facilities you find within residential neighborhoods. In 2013, the city changed those
from a land use process that went through Planning Commission and City Council type hearings,
to a licensing type of process. What they found was that this area of law is so regulated by the
DOJ, HUD and what the Fair Housing Act says, that you end up frustrating a lot of people after
having a big public hearing, only to find out there are limited decisions to be made. Mr. Loose
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said him and Mr. Simonsen took those decisions they had made, brought them to the city council
in policy, and made it an internal licensing process. That means that since 2013 we have not had
public hearings on these types of facilities, however there are a lot of rules and guidelines. The
Residential Facilities Ordinance can be found under Business Licensing in 5.64. If the applicant
asks for “reasonable accommodations” due to number of residents, distance from another center,
etc., then we set up a hearing officer for that; by default that hearing officer is the City Manager.
In recent years, City Manager Whatcott delegated that to the City Hearing Officer, Mr. Craig
Hall, who hears our variances and other appeals from the code; this process works well for the
city. There have been recent changes in the laws dealing with distance and other requirements,
which prompted discussions on our ordinance. Additionally, previous Assistant City Attorney
Todd Sheeran, rewrote the City of Bluffdale’s ordinance under its own title, and this added to the
current discussion about updating the ordinance. He now has a draft ordinance he’d like to bring
to the council that will update those items, along with suggesting they take up one of the vacant
titles in the city code. They want to make this its own title in the city code, it will be a very short
one and it will deal with these facilities. From a process standpoint, they are still going to work
with City Commerce Director Brian Preece in Business Licensing, and City Commerce
Executive Assistant Amber Katwyk who has been working these through, but it won’t be a
business license. Treatment facilities range from places like Beehive Homes, for those who can’t
physically care for themselves, to addiction recovery type treatment facilities. There is different
licensing at the state level, so they don’t go through the business license process at our level.
With the council’s permission, Attorney Loose would like to update the ordinance and bring it to
the council as part of a new title, either 11 or 14, for that. He would also like to update, but not
substantially change, and go back to a public hearing process, keeping it within the process we
already have for administration.
Council Member Jason McGuire asked why a treatment facility for addictions is classified the
same as a care-type home like Beehive Homes.
Attorney Loose said it has to do with the Americans with Disabilities Act. Under that act, a
person with a disability is allowed to live in a residential area by matter of right; a disability can
include physical disabilities, mental disabilities, etc. Addiction, as long as the person isn’t
currently using, is classified as a disability. There are circumstances and times when someone
disqualifies themselves to stay in the facility because they relapse and start to use again, and at
that point they no longer qualify to be there, under both our city licensing and the state licensing.
Council Member Zander asked who determines when an addict is considered clean to be
admitted.
Attorney Loose discussed that there are all sorts of requirements for admittance. The business
running the facility has admission criteria they use to screen potential and current residents. If a
patient violates that, they remove the patient from the facility. We have the ability to audit those
records, and in the past that has been done through Code Enforcement. We have found those
audits to not be terribly productive on our side because these people know their business better
than we do, but also because the state audits them and ensures compliance.
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Council Member Zander said if she was living in a neighborhood and one of these became
established there, she would want to know if the state has a follow-up system where the business
is required to test residents on a regular basis.
Attorney Loose said depending on the type of facility, there are mandatory testing requirements.
Council Member Zander pointed out the facility on Redwood Road and how that is in a great
location, being more commercial. She asked to clarify that they as a city council cannot stop a
residential treatment facility from locating in one of our neighborhoods.
Attorney Loose said yes, they cannot stop it and it has been that way for several decades. Ed
Oglevy is here and used to work in the Attorney General’s Office. Attorney Loose and the
Mayor have been speaking with him and some residents in his neighborhood where one of these
homes was proposed to go. They didn’t meet all of the requirements at the time of their
application, but they could come back with those requirements met and try again. The law is very
clear, you cannot stop someone from buying the home next to you if they have a drug problem,
or if they have a bunch of obnoxious kids, or if they are in a wheelchair or have any other type of
disability or life situation. Generally, you can’t stop people with disabilities from moving next to
you either, and this is where the law starts. These are just people with disabilities that want to
live in a group setting so they can get better. He is not the social scientist, but there is social
science data accepted by law as valid data, that people recovering from addiction do better in a
residential neighborhood than they do in a commercial/industrial type area because they feel
more like part of a community. There are many debates around the distance requirements, so we
now allow applicants to apply for “reasonable accommodations” when the requirements can’t be
met. Within a half mile of the facility on Redwood Road, there is another home in the
neighborhood. The distance requirements are supposed to make it so the neighborhood doesn’t
become a community of residential treatment facilities. In this specific case off Redwood Road,
they don’t share the same entrance, the residents don’t come from the same communities and
wouldn’t be interacting with each other, so it was reasonable to waive the distance requirement.
There was another situation, in our city in the area behind Walmart. There was already a
residential treatment facility and the company who owned it wanted to buy the house next door
to have one male and one female facility. We denied that request as unreasonable because there
were about 15-20 homes and they would be taking two of those, along with practically doubling
the population of the neighborhood. The average amount of residents used to be between 12 and
16, however the more recent applications have been for between 20 and 28; the applicants insist
that for therapeutic and financial necessity they need those higher numbers. Most of the
applications in the twenties back out quickly when they are asked if they have the right kind of
sheet rock, sprinklers, etc., because at a certain occupancy you need a higher level of fire
protection. They are buying larger homes in places like River Park and Polo Club Court, and
they are big enough to hold that many people, but because they have the business aspect they
need those safety upgrades. The majority of our residential treatment facilities are somewhere
between 12 and 16 residents. Most research and literature on therapeutic necessity puts 12-16 as
the right therapeutic number. Most of the time they ask for more residents because they know
they will always have some turnover, and if they have 16 they may only have 12-14 in there at
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any given time. Last time they looked, he doesn’t remember any crime issues in areas with these
facilities.
Police Chief Jeff Carr said none has come to his attention, but they haven’t done any kind of data
analysis.
Attorney Loose said he was going to speak with our GIS Coordinator, Matt Jarman, and have
him run some numbers for them in relation to crime stats. In general, they haven’t had any huge
issues with these facilities that is changing the character of a neighborhood. We currently have
about four to five facilities, and at one point he thinks we might have had up to six.
City Commerce Director Brian Preece said they have had several applications, but for the
reasons discussed above, they were denied. The applicants even went to the Appeal Officer and
the denial was upheld because they didn’t meet the requirements.
Council Member McGuire would like to see this as its own title, it makes things clearer.
Attorney Loose said it also helps us distinguish between what’s a license and what this is.
Council Member Marlor asked to clarify that these are not halfway houses. These homes aren’t
housing residents who have been charged with a crime and then are being placed in the middle of
a subdivision in a recovery situation. Specifically, he is wondering about sex offenders
recovering in a neighborhood.
Attorney Loose said those types of offenses don’t qualify under addiction the same way a
chemical addiction does for the disability qualifications. For criminal acts, if someone gets
arrested and booked for drunk and disorderly they usually don’t spend a bunch of time in jail.
Many times the family picks them up and takes them to a facility like these. Those who have
been convicted of offenses and are in prison and are coming out, their addictions are not
chemical (drug or alcohol) so they don’t qualify for the same protections under the law. Those
people would go somewhere like an Odyssey House, and those types of places are generally
located in a more commercial zone or area; we do not have any of those in our city to his
knowledge.
Council Member Shelton asked about property taxes, what type they are paying.
Attorney Loose said his understanding is that they qualify for, and are paying, residential
property taxes.
Council Member Marlor asked if counseling centers are different from these recovery centers.
Attorney Loose said they do counseling in some of these facilities, but specific counseling
centers are generally in commercial zones and operate as a business as no one is staying
overnight.
Planning Director Steven Schaefermeyer noted they would be a similar use to a medical facility.
Council Member Marlor asked if a counseling center could qualify in the same way Beehive
Homes does.
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Attorney Loose said no.
Director Schaefermeyer said we had a case where they wanted to do an outpatient counseling
center in a commercial area, and put a residential piece next to it; that can only be allowed if it’s
a mixed use zone where residential is permitted, and in this case it wasn’t.
Council Member Marlor said he would like to see it under a separate title as well.
The council agreed that this should be its own title and section.
Attorney Loose said it seems like he has the council’s direction, he will bring it back in the next
two to three meetings.
Mayor Ramsey noted she forgot to mention during the Mayor and Council Coordination portion
of the meeting that she has two conferences in early February that she needs to attend in
Washington, DC. The conferences are back to back. One is with the National League of Cities
where she will represent the State of Utah for the League of Cities and Towns, the other is for the
National Regional Councils which is with the Wasatch Front Regional Council where she chairs
the Regional Growth Committee. There is one day in-between the two conferences, so rather
than flying home and coming right back, she is going to stay in-between. The city does not pay
for this, this is all on the two groups she is representing. It is great that we have the chance to go
and be a part of these discussions, and she is really curious to hear what will be discussed. This
will also give her a chance to meet with our congressional delegation, and that’s always a good
thing. She is going to strategize beforehand and decide what directly city-related items she needs
to bring up. She will meet with them during the WFRC meeting, but she will also have a little bit
of time in-between and she is already scheduling time to see what she can do that’s specifically
going to benefit the city. This leads to a question about the City Council Meeting on February 1,
she can be here for that meeting and then take a red-eye flight to DC and go straight to the
conference, or she can fly there on February 1 and get settled in the hotel before joining our
meeting electronically that night. She asked the council what their thoughts were on the options.
The council agreed she should go on February 1 and join electronically that night.
Council Member Shelton motioned to recess the combined City Council and RDA Study
Meeting and move to combined Executive Closed Session. Council Member Zander
seconded the motion; vote was unanimous.
RECESS COMBINED CITY COUNCIL & RDA STUDY MEETING AND MOVE TO COMBINED
CITY COUNCIL & RDA EXECUTIVE CLOSED SESSION
F. Executive Closed Session
F.1. Discussion of the character, professional competence, or physical or mental
health of an individual.
F.2. Discussion of the purchase, exchange, or lease of real property.
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ADJOURN COMBINED CITY COUNCIL & RDA EXECUTIVE CLOSED SESSION AND
RETURN TO THE COMBINED CITY COUNCIL & RDA STUDY MEETING
ADJOURNMENT
Council Member McGuire motioned to adjourn the Study Meeting. Council Member
Shelton seconded the motion; vote was unanimous in favor.
The January 18, 2022 City Council electronic study meeting adjourned at 6:42 p.m.
This is a true and correct copy of the January 18, 2022 City Council Study Meeting Minutes, which
were approved on February 1, 2022.
South Jordan City Recorder
Agenda
CITY OF SOUTH JORDAN
COMBINED CITY COUNCIL & REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY
STUDY MEETING AGENDA
CITY COUNCIL WORK ROOM
TUESDAY, JANUARY 18, 2022 at 4:30 PM
Notice is hereby given that the South Jordan City Council will hold a Combined City Council &
Redevelopment Agency (RDA) Study Meeting on Tuesday, January 18, 2022, in person in the City
Council Work Room, located at 1600 W. Towne Center Drive, South Jordan, Utah and virtually via Zoom
phone and video conferencing. Persons with disabilities requesting assistance should contact the City
Recorder at least 24 hours prior to the meeting. The Agenda may be amended, and an Executive Session
may be held at the end of the meeting. Times listed are approximate and may be accelerated or delayed.
In addition to in-person attendance, individuals may join via phone or video, using Zoom. In the event the
meeting is disrupted in any way that the City in its sole discretion deems inappropriate, the City reserves
the right to immediately remove the individual(s) from the meeting and, if needed, end virtual access to
the meeting with or without a motion and vote. Reasons for removing an individual or ending virtual
access to the meeting include but are not limited to the posting of offensive pictures, remarks, or making
offensive statements, disrespectful statements or actions, and other any action deemed inappropriate.
Ability to participate virtually is dependent on an individual’s internet connection. Instructions on how to
join the meeting virtually are below.
Join City Council Electronic Meeting January 18, 2022 at 4:30 p.m.
• Join on any device that has internet capability.
• Zoom link, Meeting ID and Password will be provided 24 hours prior to meeting start time.
• Zoom instructions are posted www.sjc.utah.gov/meeting-agenda-minutesarchive-center/.
Study Meeting Agenda: 4:30 p.m.
A. Welcome, Roll Call, and Introduction: By Mayor, Dawn R. Ramsey
B. Invocation: By Council Member, Patrick Harris
C. Mayor and Council Coordination
D. Discussion/Review of Regular Council Meeting:
Oath of Office Ceremony:
District #3 Council Member, Don Shelton
Consent Action Items:
Resolution R2022-10, Arts Council Appointments
Resolution R2022-11, Planning Commission Appointments
Public Hearing Items:
Resolution R2022-09, Amending FY 2021-22 Budget.
Resolution RDA 2022-01, Amending FY 2021-22 Budget.
Ordinance 2022-05, Amending 2.20.120, salaries of the Mayor and Council Members.
Ordinance 2022-06, Fixing the compensation for the South Jordan Mayor and City Council.
Ordinance 2022-07, Setting forth compensation for Mayor Dawn R. Ramsey.
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E. Discussion Items:
E.1. Art Council Appointment. (By Assistant City Manager, Dustin Lewis)
E.2. Residential Care Facilities. (By City Attorney, Ryan Loose)
RECESS COMBINED CITY COUNCIL & RDA STUDY MEETING AND MOVE TO COMBINED CITY
COUNCIL & RDA EXECUTIVE CLOSED SESSION
F. Executive Closed Session:
F.1. Discussion of the purchase, exchange, or lease of real property.
F.2. Discussion of the character, professional competence, or physical or mental health of an
individual.
ADJOURN COMBINED CITY COUNCIL & RDA EXECUTIVE CLOSED SESSION AND RETURN TO
THE COMBINED CITY COUNCIL & RDA STUDY MEETING
ADJOURNMENT
CERTIFICATE OF POSTING
STATE OF UTAH )
COUNTY OF SALT LAKE )
I, Anna Crookston, the duly appointed City Recorder of South Jordan City, Utah, certify that the foregoing
City Council Agenda was emailed to at least one newspaper of general circulation within the geographic
jurisdiction of the public body. The agenda was also posted at the principal office of the public body and
also posted on the Utah State Public Notice Website http://www.utah.gov/pmn/index.html and on South
Jordan City’s website at www.sjc.utah.gov. Published and posted January 14, 2022.
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