Historic Preservation Commission
Regular MeetingSwansboro, NC · February 20, 2024
Minutes
TOWN OF SWANSBORO
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING MINUTES
FEBRUARY 20, 2024
Call to Order
The meeting of Swansboro Historic Preservation Commission was called to order at 6:00 PM.
Those in attendance were Jonathan McDaniel, Kim Kingrey, Elaine Justice, Lauren Brown,
Christina Ramsey, and ALT member Gregg Casper. Eric Young was not present.
Approval of Minutes
On a motion by Mrs. Kingrey, and seconded by Mrs. Justice, the following meeting minutes were
unanimously approved:
a. August 15, 2023, Regular Meeting Minutes
b. September 19, 2023, Regular Meeting Minutes
Election of Chair, Vice Chair, and Planning Board Representative
On a motion by Mrs. Kingrey, seconded by Mrs. Ramsey, a nomination was made for Jonathan
McDaniel to remain as chair. All members were in favor.
On a motion by Mrs. Justice, seconded by Ms. Brown, a nomination was made for Kim Kingrey
to remain as vice-chair. All members were in favor.
On a motion by Mrs. Kingrey, seconded by Mrs. Justice, a nomination was made for Lauren Brown
to be appointed as the Representative to the Planning Board. All members were in favor.
Business
The following individuals were sworn in and/or addressed the board.
Rebecca Brehmer
Jordan Proctor
Vinnie Day
Harriett Proctor
Certificate of Appropriateness/209 Water Street
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer presented the owners request for the construction of a 5’
x 104.6’ wooden pier with a hog slat walkway, a 9’ x 20.5’ platform, as well as set pilings for a
future boat lift. The property was zoned R6SF, and the house was a noncontributing structure to
the Historic District, and known as the Jesse Moore House. The request appeared to be consistent
with Section 24 Docks, Piers, and Boardwalks.
Public Hearing was opened at 6:10 pm.
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer shared that Mrs. Jordan Proctor was present for questions.
The board thanked Mrs. Proctor for rescuing the Jesse Moore House from demolition and were
happy with the progress.
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Public hearing was closed at 6:12 pm
On a motion made by Mrs. Kingrey, seconded by Mrs. Ramsey, COA 2024-01 was unanimously
approved based on the criteria from the UDO Section 24: Docks, Piers, and Boardwalks.
Certificate of Appropriateness/224 Water Street
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer presented the owners request for exterior alterations of the
home which included amended color palette to add the exterior color “white truffle”, removed
rotten porch pickets, rails, and steps, and constructed new with similar style wooden pickets and
rails and brick steps to code. The owners also requested to add an overhang over the side door on
the left side of the home with same material as the roof. The property was zoned R6SF, and the
house was a contributing structure to the Historic District, and known as the Bell House. The
request appeared to be consistent with Section 6 Porches and Entrances and Section 10 Paint and
Exterior Colors.
Public Hearing was opened at 6:13 pm.
Mrs. Kingrey shared her concern with the pickets being proposed for the porch. The porch pickets
currently installed on the house were the actual original design. The proposed pickets would
encroach on the district’s design guidelines and standards, if not historically accurate. The new
pickets would have needed to be accurate for the style/era house. The owner was given an
opportunity to get a second opinion from the State Historic Preservation Office for approval.
Mrs. Harriett Proctor agreed with the option that Staff contact the State Historic Preservation
Office for a second opinion to find out if the pickets were appropriate for the era of her house.
Public Hearing was closed at 6:23 pm.
On a motion made by Mrs. Kingrey, seconded by Mrs. Ramsey, COA 2024-02 was unanimously
approved based on the criteria from the UDO Section 6: Porches and Entrances 6.1, 1 through 8,
and Section 10: Paint and Exterior Colors, 10.1, 1 through 5, contingent upon the required approval
from the State Historic Preservation Office for the proposed rails and pickets. Currently approved
for replacement of the pickets in kind.
Certificate of Appropriateness/212 Walnut Street
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer presented the owners request for a major addition to the
rear of the house. The property was zoned R6SF and the house was a noncontributing structure to
the Historic District. As required by the UDO in Section 11 New Construction, the application
included a massing study completed by Dunn & Dalton Architects that met all criteria. The
proposed addition was a 48’ x 13’ 9” (600 Sq. ft.) 1 bedroom/1bathroom addition with an 8’ x 13’
9” screened front porch, and an 8’ x 12’ all wood gable roof side porch attached to the existing
house by a 6’ x 8’ covered screened breezeway. The existing house’s deck would be removed and
a new 10’ x 10’ deck was built in its place.
Public Hearing was opened at 6:26 pm, then closed. No comments were given.
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On a motion made by Mrs. Kingrey, seconded by Ms. Brown, COA 2024-03 was unanimously
approved based on the criteria from the UDO Section 3 Roofs: 3.1, 1 through 7, Section 5 Windows
and Doors: 5.1, 1 through 11, and Section 11 New Construction.
Roof and Window Design Standards Discussion
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer reviewed that staff was directed to hold a discussion for
a future text amendment for Section 3: Roofs and Section 5: Windows and Doors from the
UDO, Appendix III Historic District Design Standards including “terne roofs” and “clad
windows”.
Mrs. Kingrey recapped the reason for the discussion was loss of integrity in the historical district,
as noted in a previous historical survey, the biggest change over time to put the district in danger
were roofs and windows. There were many modern windows available. The previous boards
were afraid to find something more appropriate for the design standards which would cost more
money. When in fact, there were products out there that met appropriate guidelines and design
standards that were not expensive. Standing seam roofs also contributed to the loss of integrity
in the historic district. The current board want to educate people who had original roofs, that
there was a masking product to go over the roof to help it last 50 to 100 years. The product was
about three quarters of the price of a brand-new roof. It was planned to have a roofing contractor
present to the board soon.
After discussion from the board, Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer shared that staff would
request information from John Wood’s presentation on roofs and windows.
On a motion from Mrs. Kingrey, seconded by Mrs. Ramsey, with unanimous approval, staff was
directed to form a subcommittee to gather information and research the state’s recommendations
for Roofs, Windows, and Doors. Mrs. Kingrey, Mrs. Justice, and Ms. Brown were selected to
participate on the subcommittee.
SHPC Funding Request Discussion
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer reviewed that at the regular December 19, 2023,
meeting, a motion was made to bring back an agenda item on what budget options were
available. It is important to note that funding requests needed to have specific details outlined.
The SHPC needed to determine their specific funding request that would then be reviewed by
town staff to verify legal conformity and/or avenues for the funding. This funding request would
have needed to be received soon to be included in the upcoming budget beginning on July 1,
2024.
On a motion from Mrs. Kingrey, seconded by Mrs. Justice, with unanimous approval, staff was
directed to form a subcommittee to gather information and research the budget needs for the
SHPC. Mrs. Kingrey, Mrs. Ramsey, and Mr. McDaniel were selected to participate on the
subcommittee.
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On inquiries from the board, Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer clarified the following:
- The budget requests needed to be specific for what the board requested funds for from the
Board of Commissioners.
- Topics for the subcommittee to review for budget concerns were workshops, mailings,
and refreshments.
- If the budget was approved, funds were not allowed to be used for the Historical
Association.
Review of Staff Approvals
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer reviewed the following Staff approvals:
- 140 Front St – Installed wood walkway to connect accessory structure to existing deck.
- 101 Church St – Installed new HVAC units.
- 214 Walnut St – Installed/replaced above ground propane tank.
- 122-2 Front St – Installed retail store signs to building and handrail, painted handrail black
and spindles gold.
- 224 Water St – Replaced roof shingles in different color, installed picket fence, installed
brick paver patio on left side of the home, and brick paver walkway to front steps.
- 209 Water St – Installed picket fence and privacy fence on property.
Review of Minor Work Approvals
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer reviewed the following Minor Work approvals:
- 209 Water St – Replaced rotten wood on roof and shingles in new color.
- 224 Water St – Installed new brick veneer to existing pillars, new square wooden lattice
under home, and replaced porch ceiling with tongue and groove pattern.
- 209 Water St – After the face removed rotten original siding and replaced with milled pine
siding painted white.
Chairman/Board Thoughts/Staff Comments
Mrs. Justice shared she was happy that the owners of the Lanier House were doing great work
improving the house. The house was saved with help from the board
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer shared the following:
- The Color Palette and Landscaping Standards were both approved by the Planning Board
and Board of Commissioners.
- The School of Government had released two more workshops about design standards and
project implementation for the community. The two new workshops would have been
more useful to attend before the resiliency project was brought back to the board. The two
new webinars are on March 18, 2024, and March 26, 2024.
- Public Works Director Bates had updated the staff on the ADA ramp improvement project
for downtown. An outline for the affected areas was available. Public Works Director
Bates was the contact for the project.
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- The historic district stakeholder survey update was provided to the board. There had been
80 online surveys and one handwritten survey submitted. The survey closed on March 1st.
The data from the survey would be provided at the next SHPC board meeting.
- Kristi Brantley with the State Historic Preservation Office called to discuss scheduling the
workshop. Mrs. Brantly requested a few dates which would be convenient for the board.
The board requested the workshop to be scheduled after the Homes Tour on any Thursday or
Friday evening at about 5:30 pm or Saturday morning in May. Mrs. Kingrey requested to have
Maggie Gregg with the State Historic Preservation Office attend at the same time to discuss tax
credits.
Public Comments
Mrs. Kenna Phillips requested clarification on the massing study requirements for the text
amendment going through the approval process.
Project/Planning Coordinator Brehmer stated the massing study text amendment had been
approved by the Planning Board. On March 12, 2024, the massing study would go before the
Board of the Commissioners for approval. The specifics were that 150 sq feet or less for accessory
structures and 250 sq feet for additions would not require a massing study.
Adjournment
The meeting adjourned at 6:55 pm.
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Agenda
Historic Preservation Commission Agenda
Town of Swansboro
Tuesday, February 20, 2024
I. Call to Order
II. Approval of Minutes
a. August 15, 2023 Regular Meeting Minutes
b. September 19, 2023 Regular Meeting Minutes
III. New Business
a. Election of Chair, Vice-Chair, and Historic Commission Representative (Planning Board)
b. Certificate of Appropriateness/ 209 Water Street
Presenter: Rebecca Brehmer, Projects/Planning Coordinator, CFM, CZO
The owner of 209 Water Street, also known as the Jesse Moore house, has requested the
construction of a 5’x 104.6’ wooden pier with a hog slat walkway, a 9’ x 20.5’ platform, as well as
set pilings for a future boat lift. The house is zoned R6SF and is a noncontributing structure to
the Historic District. The request appears to be consistent with Section 24 Docks, Piers, and
Boardwalks.
Recommended Action:
1. Hold a public hearing
2. Approve COA-2024-01 for construction of pier at 209 Water Street and make a motion based on
the standards provided.
c. Certificate of Appropriateness/ 224 Water Street
Presenter: Rebecca Brehmer, Projects/Planning Coordinator, CFM, CZO
The owners of 224 Water Street, also known as the Bell House, have requested exterior
alterations of the home. The house is zoned R6SF and is a contributing structure to the Historic
District.
Recommended Action:
1. Hold a public hearing
2. Approve a COA-2024-02 for exterior updates/alterations at 224 Water Street and make a motion
based on the standards provided.
d. Certificate of Appropriateness/ 212 Walnut Street
Presenter: Rebecca Brehmer, Projects/Planning Coordinator, CFM, CZO
The owner of 212 Walnut Street has requested a major addition to the rear of the home. The
house is zoned R6SF and is not a contributing structure to the Historic District.
Recommended Action:
1. Hold a public hearing
2. Approve COA-2024-03 for addition to home at 212 Walnut Street and make a motion based on
the standards provided.
e. Roof and Window Design Standards Discussion
Presenter: Rebecca Brehmer, Projects/Planning Coordinator, CFM, CZO
At the December 19th SHPC meeting, a motion was made to bring back the roof and window
standards from our UDO, Appendix III Historic District Design Standards, for discussion on text
amendments. In the past, it has been brought up to discuss including “terne roofs” and “clad
windows” to our Historic District Design Standards.
Recommended Action: Hold a discussion on what is wanted in these standards, and if ready, make a
formal motion to bring back a text amendment for Section 3: Roofs and Section 5: Windows and
Doors.
f. SHPC Funding Request Discussion
Presenter: Rebecca Brehmer, Projects/Planning Coordinator, CFM, CZO
At the December 19th meeting, a motion was made to bring back an agenda item on what budget
options are available. It is important to note that any funding requests need to have specific
details outlined. The SHPC will need to determine their specific funding request that would then
be reviewed by town staff to verify legal conformity and/or avenues for the funding. This would
need to be received soon to be included in the upcoming budget beginning on July 1, 2024.
Recommended Action: Hold a discussion on funding requests and make a detailed outline to submit
to staff.
g. Minor Work/Staff Approval Application Report: Dec.-Feb. 2024
Presenter: Rebecca Brehmer, Projects/Planning Coordinator, CFM, CZO
IV. Chairman/Board Thoughts/Staff Comments
V. Public Comments
VI. Adjournment
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