Historic Preservation Commission
Regular MeetingSwansboro, NC · April 16, 2024
Minutes
TOWN OF SWANSBORO
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING MINUTES
April 16, 2024
Call to Order
The meeting of Swansboro Historic Preservation Commission was called to order at 5:30 PM.
Those in attendance were Jonathan McDaniel, Kim Kingrey, Elaine Justice, Christina Ramsey,
and ALT member Gregg Casper. Lauren Brown and Eric Young were not present.
Business
The following individuals were sworn in and/or addressed the board.
Rebecca Brehmer
Jeffrey Wallace
Certificate of Appropriateness/204 Moore Street
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer presented the owners requested for the demolition of the
existing metal car port and the construction of a new wooden one in the same location. The new
car port would have been approximately 16’ tall with a pitched roof and was constructed with 4
wooden posts connected to a concrete pad. The roof and siding material were consistent with what
was found on the home. The new car port was primarily used for a covered outdoor seating area,
not parking. This home was zoned B2 and was a non-contributing structure to the Historic District.
This request appeared to be consistent with Section 11 New Construction.
The Public Hearing was opened at 5:31 pm.
Mr. Wallace responded to the board that the roof was planned for esthetic reasons to match the
house. The color shingles, gables, and siding would match the house. The columns would be
wrapped in white PVC.
The Public Hearing was closed at 5:35 PM.
On a motion by Mrs. Kingrey, seconded by Mrs. Casper, the COA-2024-04 was unanimously
approved for the demolition of the existing car port and the new construction of a car port based
on the criteria from the UDO Section 11 New Construction.
Certificate of Appropriateness Amendment COA-2024-02/224 Water Street
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer presented the owners of 224 Water Street, also known as
the Bell House, had requested an additional exterior alteration to the home. This was an
amendment to the previously heard COA application at the February 20, 2024, SHPC meeting.
The house was zoned R6SF and was a contributing structure to the Historic District. The
applicants were approved previously for the COA, alterations, added a new color to the color
palette, removed and replaced rotten porch facing and rails to be in kind to what was there before
per the state’s decision, constructed brick steps for the front porch, and an overhang over the side
of the house. The applicant neglected to add to the COA a new solid wood door with window
cutouts. The reason they had requested a new door was the existing door was rotten to the point it
was a safety hazard by not being able to be secured. The new door was installed as a temporary
door, per the ordinance, which allowed a temporary door for 30 days. The applicants were told
Page 1 of 5
that if the board did not approve the amendment with the installed door, they would be required to
change the door. The applicants were not able to be present, but if there were any questions, the
staff was allowed to call them. The door was purchased from Lowe’s and was painted the approved
color.
On a motion by Mrs. Kingrey, seconded by Mrs. Ramsey, COA-2024-02 Amendment was
unanimously denied based on the criteria in Sections 5.13 and 5, Windows and Doors of the UDO.
The following discussions were held prior to the final motion:
Mrs. Kingrey stated that Legacy Warehouse in Wilmington was a place where residents were able
to purchase an appropriate historic door. It was possible to purchase a new one constructed to look
just like the previous door.
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer stated the applicant drove to Wilmington to purchase a
door, the door had been sold prior to the arrival of the applicant and was unable to find anything
else which met the measurements. Therefore, they purchased a door from Lowe’s for safety
reasons.
Mr. McDaniel clarified Section 5.1 - Any new replacements should have matched the original in
all dimensions and details as closely as possible.
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer stated she would communicate with the applicant the
decision of the Amendment to the COA, a picture of the original door, and along with options for
them to have purchased the appropriate door.
Discussion of Thirsty Mullet Staff Approval Application
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer presented that the new tenants of 208 Main Street,
“Thirsty Mullet Taproom”, had submitted a Staff Approval Application for the addition of outdoor
patio/seating space in the front and rear of the building, as well as to plant privacy screening for
adjacent residential properties. This building was previously the retail location for “Muttigans”,
zoned B2HDO, and was a noncontributing structure to the Historic District. Staff had brought this
discussion item to the SHPC for guidance due to concerns expressed by one of the neighboring
residential properties for noise and parking issues. It appeared this request is consistent with
Section 14 Fences and Walls, as well as the Town’s noise and parking ordinance.
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer replied to inquiries from the board:
- If there was not enough room for planting the trees in the ground between the Thirsty
Mullett and the residential lot, there would have been larger planting box options which
would be used. The trees would be Green Giant Arborvitae. Green Giant Arborvitae were
the healthiest and largest arborvitae and could be planted in large horse troughs.
- Fences were an option, but the trees provided a better visual and sound buffer from the
patio. The adjacent residential house had a fence already.
- Acoustic grade interior storm windows could have been suggested to the tenant. The staff
was only able to request what was included in the ordinance. The suggestions from the
Page 2 of 5
board were not required for the Thirsty Mullet but were being offered due to concerns from
the neighbors.
Mrs. Sue Ellen Dixon, of 106 Water Street, which was adjacent to the Thirsty Mullet shared that
she was more concerned about parking, especially her neighbor, Mr. France. During the summer
all the wait staff from downtown restaurants parked along the streets, which created little parking
for neighbors. The house which had sat right next to the Thirsty Mullet was an Airbnb, so she also
had concerns about loud music, live music, or people socializing.
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer replied to the following questions from Mrs. Dixon:
- Mr. France had obtained a driveway permit and was working with Public Works to remedy
his situation.
- As per the ordinance, the historic district businesses were exempt from the parking
requirements which other new businesses in town would have had to abide by because of
the public parking and how tight it was to park downtown. Even with the proposed seating
area, Thirsty Mullet would have had more parking than most businesses downtown.
- Mrs. Dixon and other residents could go to all the businesses to discuss the parking issues
and see if they would be open to the solution for business employees parking at the bank.
- There would be a separate area for the proposed outdoor seating with planter boxes
bordering the seating areas and would be installed on part of the current parking lot.
- A couple of parking spaces could be used for the outdoor seating out of the 21 parking
spaces. The parking spaces could have been reconfigured if needed.
Planner Correll shared there was a discussion about the use of installing concrete stop bars
which separated the parked cars and the outdoor seating.
Mr. Tyler Skipper shared that the hedges would be planted all the way down along the backside
of the property. They would be serving pizza at the Thirsty Mullet.
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer reviewed the suggestions from the board’s discussion
of the Thirsty Mullet Taproom:
- The Thirsty Mullet could offer interior acoustic grade storm windows to the neighbor
which could help with noise.
- The Thirsty Mullet could plant hedges in planter boxes and moved the boxes away from
under windows and off the fence line.
- The Thirsty Mullet could reorient the parking spaces for safety issues.
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer shared with the board that there were not any reasons to
deny the request. The Thirsty Mullet had met and cooperated with all the guidelines in the
ordinance and felt the best option was for Staff to approve the request.
Page 3 of 5
Review of Staff Approvals
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer reviewed the following Staff Approvals:
- 224 Water Street – Replaced and added exterior light fixtures at the front door, side door,
and shed.
- 127 Front Street – Replaced rotten siding in-kind and painted back to white.
- 101-A Church Street – Installed new business sign.
- 208 Main Street – One 3 ft x 8 ft temporary banner (60 days) and one 2 ft x 3 ft sandwich
board sign which advertised the business coming soon.
- 101 Walnut Street – Painted home included trim, porch rails, and siding SW6182 Ethereal
White and painted porch ceiling SW6218 Tradewind.
Review of Minor Work Approvals
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer reviewed the following Minor Work Approvals:
- 308 Church Street – Added an accessory structure shed with white lap siding, silver metal
roof, natural wood vent gables, and an antique door as well as the added wood shutters to
the upper and lower porch doors. Accessory structure was below the need for a massing
study.
- 209 Water Street – Renovated shed which included siding and roof shingles to match the
house, new wooden double doors, and replaced rotten wood.
Chairman/Board Thoughts/Staff Comments
After discussions from the board, on a motion by Mrs. Ramsey, seconded by Mrs. Kingrey, the
addition to the agenda for the May 2024 meeting would include a discussion of whether there
needed to be changes to the current ordinance which enabled enforcement was unanimously
approved.
Public Comments
Mr. Joseph Brown requested information about the homeowners who purchased a historic home
and how they were getting information on what was required and about tax credits for the historic
district and were the tax credits an incentive.
The board responded that an addendum was created and had been given to all residents listing their
homes for sale to be signed by the new homeowners. At the closing of the purchase of the home,
documents were signed by the buyers which showed information on streets, etc. The attorney
provided a stack of papers being signed and it was the responsibility of the real estate agent to
explain. Additionally, projects that had been approved through the state, provided a 15% tax credit
for North Carolina taxes. There was a tax credit for a lien easement which is placed on your deed
which never allowed for demolition of the historic house and a local landmark designation tax
credit which was a standard 15% state tax credit for the district. There were several local landmark
properties in the district which were designated at a higher 50% tax credit.
Planner Correll shared that the workshops provided in the past to residents of the Historic District
were Tax Credits with John Wood and windows and doors workshop.
Page 4 of 5
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer shared the local landmark designation workshop had been
rescheduled for May and staff would be speaking with Kristi Brantley from the Local Historic
Preservation about the details. There was a flyer provided to people who had moved in the district
once they had contacted the staff. The flyer outlined the different application processes, and the
approval needed for certain work. Staff worked diligently to explain the processes in the district
to potential buyers.
Adjournment
The meeting adjourned at 6:42 pm.
Page 5 of 5
Agenda
Historic Preservation Commission Agenda
Town of Swansboro
Tuesday, April 16, 2024
I. Call to Order
II. Business
a. Certificate of Appropriateness/ 204 Moore Street
Presenter: Rebecca Brehmer, Projects/Planning Coordinator, CFM, CZO
The owner of 204 Moore Street has requested the demolition of the existing metal car port and
the construction of a new wooden one in the same location. The new car port will be
approximately 16’ tall with a pitched roof and will be constructed with 4 wooden posts
connected to a concrete pad. The roof and siding material will be consistent with what is found
on the home. The new car port will primarily be used for a covered outdoor seating area, not
parking. This home is zoned B2 and is a non-contributing structure to the Historic District. This
request appears to be consistent with Section 11 New Construction.
Recommended Action:
1. Hold a public hearing
2. Approve COA-2024-04 for demolition and construction of car port at 204 Moore Street and make
a motion based on the standards provided.
b. Certificate of Appropriateness Amendment COA-2024-02 - 224 Water Street
Presenter: Rebecca Brehmer, Projects/Planning Coordinator, CFM, CZO
The owners of 224 Water Street, also known as the Bell House, have requested an additional
exterior alteration to the home. This is an amendment to the previously heard COA application at
the February 20, 2024, SHPC meeting. The house is zoned R6SF and is a contributing structure to
the Historic District.
Recommended Action:
1. Hold a public hearing
2. Approve or deny amended COA-2024-02 for updated exterior alterations at 224 Water and make
a motion based on the standards provided.
c. Discussion of Thirsty Mullet Staff Approval Application
Presenter: Rebecca Brehmer, Projects/Planning Coordinator, CFM, CZO
The new tenants of 208 Main Street, “Thirsty Mullet Taproom”, have submitted a Staff Approval
Application for the addition of outdoor patio/seating space in the front and rear of the building,
as well as to plant privacy screenings for adjacent residential properties.
Recommended Action: Provide guidance to Staff to approve or deny of Staff Approval Application
for 208 Main Street based on the standards provided.
d. Minor Work/Staff Approval Application Report: March- April 2024
Presenter: Rebecca Brehmer, Projects/Planning Coordinator, CFM, CZO
III. Chairman/Board Thoughts/Staff Comments
IV. Public Comments
V. Adjournment
Get email alerts for Swansboro
A daily email when new agendas and minutes are posted.