Planning Commission
Regular MeetingTroy, NY · July 26, 2021
Minutes
From: Michael Gardner
To: PlanningCommission
Subject: 5th Ave & Federal Luxury Apt Feedback
Date: Monday, June 21, 2021 10:23:24 PM
Hello Planning Commission,
My name is Michael Gardner and I live at 27 2nd st in Troy. I saw someone post on Facebook
about the potential luxury apartment complex at the corner of 5th Ave and Federal and would
like to provide my feedback as a resident.
Having more apartments in Troy is great! I would love to see apartments that were more
affordable for people of all backgrounds, as well as having an exterior that matches the iconic
style of Troy.
I think some of the resentment that some Troy residents (myself included) feel is from the
flood of luxury apartments in recent years. We have had the News, the Incite, the Vicina, and
Starbuck Island all coming online within the same 1-2 years with similar (as some would say
"lack of") style and similar customer segments and no input from the community while now
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hearing about Kings Landing 2 at this location and the Troy Winter Gardens at Quackenbush
Square by Bryce. I worry that with all these luxury apartments, we are attracting people who
are interested in said apartments but end up buying inflating priced property causing current
residents with modest buying power for property to be squeezed out of the community in
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terms of property ownership.I also worry about the increase in traffic (and all that comes with
it) if these apartments happen while no increase in services happen for them.
I think these situations could be improved with the following:
more mixed housing instead of purely high-income luxury apartments
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more mixed zoning to create the charm of downtown Troy
building designs that reflect the culture of the community
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more built-in parking such a below ground garage beneath the apartment complex
Lastly, I think it would be better if instead of an apartment complex, we had some sort of
larger food store in the downtown to reduce car dependency of Troy. During the pandemic's
peak, a lot of my neighbors turned to Hello Fresh or similar services and there were lots of
deliveries happening. Sure it saves the neighborhood on gas and time, but it's a waste of
money and still hurts the environment when they could have a grocery 3-5 blocks away.
Ideally we should have a modest spread of small to medium sized markets throughout the
town beyond the corner stores.
Thanks for reading this email. I would love to hear from you all about your process and what
you consider in making these decisions so the next time i post online about a project, I'm a
little more informed and respectful of the process.
Michael
From: William Hughes
To: PlanningCommission
Subject: Kings Landing
Date: Saturday, July 17, 2021 4:18:19 PM
Dear Sir or Madaam,
I am the owner of 2136 and 2140 5th Ave. across the street from the project.
The design I saw in the Albany Buisness Reveiw June 25- July 1 2021 edition was to my liking. I
think the tall part on the corner of Federal and 5th with lower part on the northern part of 5th
Ave is quite good and I would like to see this project move forward and get rid of the eyesores
that currently exist.
My only concern is parking, which is already tight. If the project would provide parking for all
their tenants, maybe with a slight rent increase, this would be a very good proposal. The
commercial space would be a benefit to the community.
Thank you,
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Bill Hughes
Troy Raven LLC
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From: Anna Feltham
To: PlanningCommission
Subject: Public Comment - Kings Landing II
Date: Friday, July 23, 2021 10:02:05 AM
Good morning,
I am a resident at 2164 5th Ave, Troy, NY 12180 and would like to submit comment for the
open public comment period for the special meeting to be held Monday July 26th, 2021
regarding Kings Landing II.
I oppose the amendment from the original proposal of 5 stories (Site Plan dated 10/8/2020) to
10 stories. The proposed increase in building mass will have a negative impact on the feel at
pedestrian level for residents of 5th ave as well as residents to Incite/Kings Landing I and
passers by. The proposed amendment would significantly increase the building mass and
change the character of the surrounding blocks. Newer development and/or tall buildings
nearby are primarily 6 stories including; O'Neil Apartments located at 2121 6th Ave (7
stories),Troy Towers located at the southeast corner of Federal St and 6th Ave (7
stories),Social Security Administration building located at 500 Federal Street (6
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stories), Incite/Kings Landing I (5 stories). The existing historic character of the
neighborhood is predominantly 3 story buildings.
Please consider the letter by the Preservation League of New York State addressed to the
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Planning Commission, dated March 25, 2021, which calls attention to the demolition of four
National Register-eligible historic buildings. The New York State Historic Preservation Office
noted the adverse effect this proposed building would pose on the entire block of historic
buildings.
The Planning Commission should recommend the developer investigate installing a pedestrian
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crosswalk across Federal Street at 5th Ave. Pedestrians currently cross here and the substantial
addition of apartments will only increase the number of pedestrians jaywalking unsafely.
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I understand that development happens and housing is needed and furthermore that the Federal
Street, as a busy connector road is generally a desirable location for larger development,
however, I would ask the Planning Commission to minimize the proposed addition of stories
as the Kings Landing II original 5-story building (Site Plan dated 10/8/2020) would be more
in keeping with both new and historical development in the neighborhood.
Thank you,
Anna Feltham
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Anna Feltham
anna.feltham@gmail.com
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July26,2021
PlanningCommissionMembers
CityofTroy
433RiverStreet
Troy,NY12180
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Re: SitePlanReviewofproposeddevelopment
KingsLandingPhaseII-Resubmission(PLPC20210014)
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CornerofFederalStreet&FifthAvenue,CityofTroy
DearPlanningCommissionMembers:
IhavebeenretainedbyTAP,Inc.regardingtheso-called“resubmission”fortheKings
LandingPhaseIIproposeddevelopmentproject. Whilesomechangeshavebeenmadesincethe
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prioriterationofthisproject,TAP,Inc.continuestobeconcernedabouttheoverallmagnitude
andimpactsofthisproposedproject. YouhavealreadydeterminedthatthefirstKingsLanding
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IIproject(PLPC20200011)hasthepotentialforasignificantadverseimpact,andyouissueda
positivedeclarationforthefirstKingsLandingIIprojectatyourMarch25,2021meeting. We
urgeyoutoissueapositivedeclarationforthisso-calledresubmissionforKingsLandingII.
Thepositivedeclarationrequiresthepreparationofanenvironmentalimpactstatement
(“EIS”),inwhichprojectalternativesandmitigationmeasureswouldbeconsideredand
analyzed. However,insteadoffilingascopingdocumentforthepreparationoftheEISforthe
firstKingsLandingII,theapplicanthasapparentlysubmittednewprojectapplicationmaterials
(mostlyrecentlyupdatedinJuly2021),whichappeartorepresentanalternativedesignofthe
KingsLandingIIproject.
Theproposedprojectreflectedintheresubmissionmaterialshasadverseenvironmental
impactsthataresimilar,ifnotidentical,totheprojectthatwaspreviouslysubmittedtoyou
(includingbutnotlimitedtohistoricimpacts,andimpactstocommunitycharacter). Therefore,
evenifyouconsiderthistobeanewapplicationthatissubjecttoacompletelynewreview
process,thisproposedalternativedesignoftheprojectwillalsorequireapositivedeclaration
POBox2369GlensFallsNY12801 ❙ claudia@braymerlaw.com ❙ (518)882-3252
pursuanttotheStateEnvironmentalQualityReviewAct(“SEQRA”)sothatyoucanreviewthe
project’sadverseimpacts,potentialalternativesandpossiblemeasuresthatwillmitigateor
eliminatetheadverseimpacts.
First,asyoualreadydeterminedatyourJune16,2021meeting,thenewsubmission
continuestobeaTypeIactionpursuanttoSEQRA. AccordingtotheStateOfficeofParks,
RecreationandHistoricPreservationletterdatedOctober16,2020,theproposedprojectis
locatedwithintheNationalRegistereligibleNorth-CentralTroyHistoricDistrict. Thelistof
SEQRATypeIactionsincludesanactionthatinvolves200ormoreresidentialunits. However,
thethresholdforresidentialunitsisreducedto25%(or50units)foranysite“thathasbeen
determinedbytheCommissioneroftheOfficeofParks,RecreationandHistoricPreservationto
beeligibleforlisting”. 6NYCRR§617.4(b)(9). Therefore,sincetheprojectislocatedinan
areathatiseligibleforlistingonthehistoricregister,theproposalisaTypeIaction.
Second,justasyoudeterminedthatthefirstKingsLandingIIproject(PLPC20200011)
hasthepotentialforsignificantadverseimpacts,thisresubmissionoftheprojecthasthepotential
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forsignificantadverseimpactsandapositivedeclarationmustbeissued. Theprojectstill
involvesthedemolitionoffourNationalRegistereligiblebuildings,andtheconstructionofa
largeapartmentbuildingwithalloftheattendantincreasestotheintensityofuseoftheproposed
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site. Moreover,thecumulativeimpactsofKingsLandingIandKingsLandingIImustbetaken
intoconsiderationduringtheCommission’sreviewoftheresubmissionofKingsLandingII.
Inadditiontothepotentiallysignificantadverseimpactstohistoricresources,thereare
potentiallysignificantadverseimpactsfromtheproject’sparking/trafficcongestion,
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noise/odor/light,visual/aestheticimpacts(includingfromtheheightandbulkofthebuildingand
changestothestreetscape),inconsistencywiththecommunityplan,andimportantly,significant
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adversechangestocommunitycharacterfortheneighborhoodwheretheprojectisproposedto
belocated. Enclosedforyourreferenceandconsiderationinyourreviewofthisresubmissionis
aletterdatedMarch23,2021fromAttorneyDouglasZamelisregardingthepotentially
significantadverseimpactsofthefirstKingsLandingIIproject. Allthesameadverseimpacts
thatcausedyoutoissueapositivedeclarationforthefirstKingsLandingIIprojectarestill
presentinthisresubmission. Therefore,apositivedeclarationfortheresubmissionistheonly
rationalanddefensibledecision.
Weaskthatyoucontinuetoundertakeconceptreviewofthisproject,andweaskthatyou
givethepublicmoretimetoprovidecommentstoyouonthelatestprojectmaterialsbeforeyou
issueadecision,direction,orguidanceregardingthecurrentconcept. TAP,Inc.hasbeenvery
interestedinthisproject,andworkeddiligentlytoreviewthepriorprojectmaterialstosubmit
thoughtfulandmeaningfulcomments. Sincethelatestmaterialswerenotmadeavailabletothe
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publicuntilafewdaysago,TAP,Inc.hasnothadanopportunitytofullyreviewthis
newly-proposedconcept. Werespectfullyrequestthatyoutablethismatteruntilafuture
meetingdate.
Finally,wesuggestthatyouconsiderhiringaplanningconsultingfirmthatwillassistthe
PlanningCommissionanditsstafftoundertakethenecessaryandthoroughreviewofthis
proposedproject. Welookforwardtoyourcarefulreviewofthisproposedprojectandyour
considerationofTAP,Inc.’sconcerns. Thankyouforyourtimeanddeliberationinthismatter.
Sincerely,
/s/ClaudiaK.Braymer
ClaudiaK.Braymer
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cc: TAP,Inc.
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From: paul@socolow.com
To: PlanningCommission
Subject: Kings Landing II (revised) comments
Date: Monday, July 26, 2021 10:29:38 AM
Dear Planning Commission,
I strongly oppose the new proposal for Kings Landing II.
I have written emails to you describing the many bad effects this project
will create, the misrepresentations of the developers about the previous
phase and the costs of rehabbing the exisiting buildings on the site, and
the travesty of selling city-owned land for this project. Those comments
have lost none of their relevance to the current iteration of the project.
Concerning the modified proposal:
The increased height would increase the negative impact of such a large
project, and none of the other problems that were present in the previous
proposal for the project have been ameliorated or resolved.
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* The increase in retail/office space will increase parking stress in the
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neighborhood, but the parking availability in the project is essentially
unchanged.
* While there is an attempt to make part of the 5th Ave streetscape align
with the neighborhood, all indications are that the building would be
unsuitable for the neighborhood (as is the exterior of the phase I
building). I have yet to meet anyone who thinks the existing structure is
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appropriate for the neighborhood, or even decent looking!
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* The added height would be terrible for the neighborhood and downtwon
Troy. It would dominate the area, and the approaches to downtown over the
Green Island Bridge and via 6th Ave and Peoples Ave. Stand on the corner
of 4th and Federal and see how the existing structure dominates the block,
and imagine if it were 2 stories higher!
In summary, this project would be a step backwards for the continuing
improvement of downtown Troy. There are so many positive recent
developments in the area (e.g. riverfront path under the bridge, bike lane
on the bridge, apartment conversions at Jacob and King), and potential
ones in the near future (reconfirgurations of 6th Ave, Federal, and
Hoosick, reuse of the Uncle Sam parking structure site), that reverting to
Troy's history of gutting its historic downtown would be a tragedy.
-Paul Socolow, 2148 5th Ave
Agenda
Wm. Patrick Madden Steven Strichman
Mayor Commissioner of Planning
Monica Kurzejeski Phone: (518) 279-7166
Deputy Mayor steven.strichman@troyny.gov
Planning Commission
433 River St., Ste. 5001
Troy, New York 12180
NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING
Notice is hereby given that the Planning Commission of the City of Troy, New York, will conduct a public meeting
at 6:00 P.M. on July 26th, 2021, on the 5th Floor of 433 River Street, to act upon the following requests, referred by
the Bureau of Code Enforcement of the City of Troy, for review and approval.
Members of the public are encouraged to submit comments prior to the meeting via email or in-person during the
public comment period. All written public comment should be directed to planningcommission@troyny.gov at least
six (6) hours prior to the meeting. No other email address is monitored for public comment.
Concept Review
PLPC 2021 0014 – King’s Landing II – Federal & 5th (101.38-9-7, 101.38-9-9, 101.38-9-10, 101.46-1-1, 101.46-1-
2.1, 101.46-1-3)
Site Plan Review and SEQR Determination (Type I)
BDC Holdings Inc. proposes to construct a new building with seven (7) levels. The lower two (2) levels will be used
for parking, retail, and office. The upper five (5) levels will be occupied by 62 apartment units.
Cosmo Marfione, PE, Managing Partner at BDC Holdings Inc., will be speaking on behalf of the proposal.
Written by Dash Chrisner, On Behalf of the Executive Secretary
Additional information regarding the above listed actions is available by contacting the Planning Commission’s Executive Secretary at
aaron.vera@troyny.gov.
As required by the Americans with Disabilities Act, auxiliary aids and services are available upon request. Please give one-week advance notice
for services needed.
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