Zoning Board of Appeals
Regular MeetingTroy, NY · September 4, 2024
Minutes
City of Troy Agenda
Zoning Board of Appeals September 4th, 2024
• SM motioned to approve minutes from August 7th, YD seconded.
Absent Yes No Abstain Recused
Yvie Dondes X
Stephen Miner X
Lindsay Zefting X
• Motioned to approve minutes passed 3-0.
Applicants were informed by Rich Morrisey that a unanimous vote of the three-member board would be
required for the application to be approved. If candidates would like, they can table until the following
month.
New Business
PLZBA 2024 0036 212 4th St (101.69-11-1|0.03ac|MU-1|N-1)
Area Variance –Type II
The applicant, Cris Schrader, proposes renovating and converting the current first-floor space into an
event space, as well as adding a second floor with micro-apartments. The required minimum
transparency on the ground floor is 50%. The applicant proposes 29% on Fourth Street, 26% on Liberty
Street, and 2% on Hill Street. Relief is sought for 21% on Fourth Street, 24% on Liberty Street, and 48%
on Hill Street.
• Applicant presentation. Laura Ryder (TAP, INC) represented the applicant.
• Board members deliberation and questions to applicant.
• Applicant response:
• Request for public comment: No public comment.
• SEQRA – YD ask that the board find this proposal to be a type II action with sufficient
information available upon which to make a determination that the project is not expected to
cause significant environmental impact.
• Findings of fact. LZ moved to approve the variance base on the following findings of facts:
o The variance will not create an undesirable change in the neighborhood, as the
project similar to the rest of the structures in the neighborhood.
o The benefit cannot be achieved by some other alternative.
o The requested variance is not substantial.
o The variance if granted will not have an adverse effect on the environment.
o The alleged difficulty is not self-created.
• LZ Motion to approve area variance; YD seconded
Absent Yes No Abstain Recused
Lindsay Zefting Yes
Yvie Dondes Yes
Stehen Miner Yes
• Motion to approve area variance passed, 3:0.
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City of Troy Agenda
Zoning Board of Appeals September 4th, 2024
Old Business
PLZBA 2024 0037 75-81 Vandenburgh Ave (123.21-1-23.11|15.39ac |CC| N-3)
Area Variance – SEQRA Type II
The applicant, Ben Gingrich, on behalf of KeyBank, is proposing a new freestanding bank branch
adjacent to Market 32 in Troy. The project will have a lobby with banking services and a drive through
ATM with autoteller lane. The following variances are requested:
o The required maximum front setback is 10 ft; 124.6 ft is requested; relief of 114.6 ft is sought.
o The required maximum side back is 10 ft; 170.3 ft is proposed; relief of 160.3 ft is requested.
o A minimum of two stories is allowed; one story is proposed; relief of one story is requested.
o The code requires buildings to front the street directly; relief is sought to face the building
entrance south.
• SM motioned to table proposal to next month due to communication difficulty, LZ seconded.
Absent Yes No Abstain Recused
Lindsay Zefting Yes
Yvie Dondes Yes
Stehen Miner Yes
• Motion to table passed, 3-0.
PLZBA 2024 0022 125 River St (100.68-1-1. /1|3.23ac| DMU| Downtown II)
Area Variance -SEQRA (Type I).
The applicant, Taylor II LLC, is proposing to construct two new mixed-use buildings consisting of 308
residential units and 2,135 sf of ground-floor retail space. Each building will consist of a six-story building
built on top of a one-story parking structure. The following variances are requested for the project:
o Front side setback required is 0 ft min. – 10 ft max, 11.5 ft and 13.2 ft are proposed for building
2 and 3 respectively. Seeking relief of 1.5 ft and 3.2 ft for building 2 and 3 respectively.
o Side setback required is 0 ft min. – 10 ft max, 24.6 ft and 35 ft are proposed for building 2 and 3
respectively. Seeking relief of 14.6 ft and 25 ft for building 2 and 3 respectively.
o The applicant is seeking relief from ‘freestanding parking structures and surface parking lots
shall not be built adjacent to the river or any public pathway easement to provide parking
adjacent to the Hudson River. ‘
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City of Troy Agenda
Zoning Board of Appeals September 4th, 2024
o The applicant is seeking relief from ‘buildings with four or more floors shall have a step back of
at least 10 feet on each floor above the third floor on the riverside to mitigate the visual impact
of buildings from the river.’
o The required building frontage is 80% min-100% max, 44.8% is proposed for building 3, relief of
35.2% is requested.
• The proposal was tabled at the applicant’s request.
• SM motion to adjourn meeting at 6:35pm, YD seconded.
Absent Yes No Abstain Recused
Lindsay Zefting Yes
Stephen Miner Yes
Yvie Dondes Yes
• Motion to adjourn meeting at 6:35pm passed, 3-0.
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Zoning Board of Appeals
433 River St., Ste. 5001
Troy, NY 12180
Public Mee ng - Wednesday, September 4, 2024
PLZBA 2024 0022 125 River St (100.68-1-1. /1|3.23ac| DMU| Downtown II)
Area Variance -SEQRA (Unlisted).
Why should Troy let Pennrose propose a project and then a er receiving community and
planning buy-in, change the project dras cally to make more money?
Brief Background of the Pennrose Taylor Apartments Reconstruc on Planning
Pennrose’s applica on to Planning in October 2020 had Phase 1 with 90 apartments and 38
parking spots. (.42 parking spaces per apartment) This was below recommended parking
guidelines but was jus fied because the tenants that would be moving into Phase 1 generally
did not have cars.
A er the community mee ngs and the ini al submission of their proposed plans for all phases
of the Taylor Apartments replacement, Pennrose showed up to the Planning Commission with a
completely different proposal for Phase 1.
At the Planning Commission mee ng Steve Strichman stated that Pennrose was not able to get
the alloca on of 9% LIHTCs that they applied for and would be looking to a different program
for government assistance. This new program requires that Phase 1 have 141 apartments (equal
in number to those being demolished for the new Phase 1 building) He went on to explain that
this would sa sfy the affordable housing requirements for the project and that Phase 2 and 3
would be market rate housing.
Since this larger building le inadequate parking for Phase 1, Pennrose promised to construct 40
parking spaces in Phase 2 for Phase 1 residents.
Phase 2 as now proposed has 308 apartments with 93 parking spaces for the Phase 2
apartments (.30 parking spaces per unit)
Phase 1 is to be rented to tenants from the current Taylor 3 & 4 buildings. Phase 2 is now
proposed as a mix of affordable and “workforce housing”. Workforce housing tenants mostly
have cars, so how can you jus fy only .30 parking spots per unit?
Please consider the following as they pertain to the Variances requested:
The project is too large for the site especially given the Applicant is trying to design
around the ramps to the Congress Street bridge. All five of their requests for a variance
arise from trying to fit a project that is too large inside of the bridge ramps.
The project needs to slow down and go back to a design based upon the one developed
through many community and planning mee ngs. This plan was presented to the
Planning Commission in October 2020. A rendering from that applica on is a ached for
reference.
I have heard three reasons that the Applicant must design with the ramps remaining. All
are ques onable:
o The ramps are structural and can’t be removed.
Only a por on of the ramps are structural. The structural por on of the
ramps ends at the pylon where the structural steel ends. This needs to be
confirmed as part of the Congress Street Bridge Project. A Google Maps
photo of the site showing this is a ached.
o It is too costly to remove the ramps.
This can be incorporated into the Congress Street Bridge Project, which
now has funding and is going to final design. I assume that this is what
was planned in the October 2020 applica on.
o NYS DOT has a permanent easement on the ramps.
While this may be true, you can request the NYS DOT to declare the ramp
land surplus to their needs. This also can be done as part of the Congress
Street Bridge Project.
The Applicant is reques ng five variances. Gran ng any of these variances sets an
extremely bad precedent given the fact that the salt pile is finally being moved and
extensive development of the riverfront south of this site is in planning.
I request that the Zoning Board of Appeals recommend to the Applicant that they slow
down, and design based on the projected Congress Street Bridge Project.
With the ramps removed, the added land may allow the Project to be redesigned to be
in compliance with the Zoning Ordinance.
I do feel that the Project will s ll have too many units and will be difficult to meet the
Zoning/Parking requirements.
What is the rush to finalize a design when a major project going through the middle of
their site is about to be finalized?
If the reason is that there are financing deadlines to meet, then this is a self-imposed
hardship and not a valid reason for a zoning variance.
Respec ully submi ed
Russell Brooks
37 1st Street
Troy, NY 12180
(518) 421-8194
rbrooks5147@gmail.com
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Agenda
Carmella Mantello Randy Coburn
Mayor Commissioner of Planning
Phone: 518-279-7166
Seamus Donnelly Randy.Coburn@troyny.gov
Deputy Mayor
Zoning Board of Appeals
433 River St., Ste. 5001
Troy, New York 12180
NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING
Notice is hereby given that the Zoning Board of Appeals of the City of Troy, New York, will conduct a public
meeting at 6:00 P.M. on Wednesday, September 4th, 2024, in City Council Chambers, 5th Floor, City Hall,
433 River Street, to hear and decide on the proposals listed below.
The City of Troy Zoning Board of Appeals will be conducting in-person meetings, however members of the
public may attend and participate virtually.
Members of the public are encouraged to submit comments prior to the meeting via email or in-person
during the public comment period. All written public comment should be directed to
zoningboard@troyny.gov at least six (6) hours prior to the meeting. No other email address is monitored
for public comment.
Administrative Items
Adoption of Meeting Minutes from August 7th by Resolution
New Business
PLZBA 2024 0036 212 4th St (101.69-11-1|0.03ac|MU-1|N-1)
Area Variance –Type II
The applicant, Cris Schrader, proposes renovating and converting the current first-floor space into an
event space, as well as adding a second floor with micro-apartments. The required minimum
transparency on the ground floor is 50%. The applicant proposes 29% on Fourth Street, 26% on Liberty
Street, and 2% on Hill Street. Relief is sought for 21% on Fourth Street, 24% on Liberty Street, and 48%
on Hill Street.
Turn Over
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City of Troy Agenda, September 4th, 2024
Zoning Board of Appeals
PLZBA 2024 0037 75-81 Vandenburgh Ave (123.21-1-23.11|15.39ac |CC| N-3)
Area Variance – SEQRA Type II
The applicant, Ben Gingrich, on behalf of KeyBank, is proposing a new freestanding bank branch
adjacent to Market 32 in Troy. The project will have a lobby with banking services and a drive through
ATM with autoteller lane. The following variances are requested:
o The required maximum front setback is 10 ft; 124.6 ft is requested; relief of 114.6 ft is sought.
o The required maximum side back is 10 ft; 170.3 ft is proposed; relief of 160.3 ft is requested.
o A minimum of two stories is allowed; one story is proposed; relief of one story is requested.
o The code requires buildings to front the street directly; relief is sought to face the building
entrance south.
Old Business
PLZBA 2024 0022 125 River St (100.68-1-1. /1|3.23ac| DMU| Downtown II)
Area Variance -SEQRA (Type I).
The applicant, Taylor II LLC, is proposing to construct two new mixed-use buildings consisting of 308
residential units and 2,135 sf of ground-floor retail space. Each building will consist of a six-story building
built on top of a one-story parking structure. The following variances are requested for the project:
o Front side setback required is 0 ft min. – 10 ft max, 11.5 ft and 13.2 ft are proposed for building
2 and 3 respectively. Seeking relief of 1.5 ft and 3.2 ft for building 2 and 3 respectively.
o Side setback required is 0 ft min. – 10 ft max, 24.6 ft and 35 ft are proposed for building 2 and 3
respectively. Seeking relief of 14.6 ft and 25 ft for building 2 and 3 respectively.
o The applicant is seeking relief from ‘freestanding parking structures and surface parking lots
shall not be built adjacent to the river or any public pathway easement to provide parking
adjacent to the Hudson River. ‘
o The applicant is seeking relief from ‘buildings with four or more floors shall have a step back of
at least 10 feet on each floor above the third floor on the riverside to mitigate the visual impact
of buildings from the river.’
o The required building frontage is 80% min-100% max, 44.8% is proposed for building 3, relief of
35.2% is requested.
Zoning Terms
DMU=Downtown Mixed Use
DT = Downtown
MF = Multi-family
MU = Mixed Use
SF = Single Family
N = Neighborhood
C-I = Campus – Institutional
C/C = Civic/Campus
Written by Angie Apindem Executive Secretary. For additional information, visit: https://www.troyny.gov/government/boards-
commissions/zoning-board-of-appeals/agenda-minutes/. As required by the Americans with Disabilities Act, auxiliary aids and services are
available upon request. Please give one-week advance notice for services needed.
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