Zoning Board of Appeals
Regular MeetingTroy, NY · November 6, 2024
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City of Troy Agenda
Zoning Board of Appeals November 6th, 2024
Administrative Item
• SM motioned to adopt the September 4th meeting minutes; TD seconded.
Absent Yes No Abstain Recused
Lindsay Zefting X
Stephen Miner X
Yvie Dondes X
Zachary Carhide X
Tamara Demartino X
• Motioned to adopt the September 4th meeting minutes failed: 2:1. TM should have recused
herself from voting as she wasn’t present at the September meeting.
New Business.
PLZBA 2024 0052 7-13 Park Ave (090.63-34), (090.63-35), (090.63-36), (090.63-37) [MU-1 / N-II]
Area Variance. SEQR (Unlisted).
The applicant, Fred Darguste, on behalf of the owner, Troy Community Land Bank, wishes to adjust the
lot widths of four parcels to construct four new single-family homes. The following variances are
requested for the lot line adjustment:
o Proposed lot number 7 (90.63-2-4) requires a minimum lot width of 40 ft; 27.65 ft is
proposed; a relief of 12.35 ft is sought.
o Proposed lot number 9 (90.63-2-5) requires a minimum lot width of 40 ft; 21 ft is proposed; a
relief of 19 ft is sought.
o Proposed lot number 11 (90.63-2-6) requires a minimum lot width of 40 ft; 29 ft is proposed; a
relief of 11 ft is sought.
o Proposed lot number 13 (90.63-2-7) requires a minimum lot width of 40 ft; 21.65 is proposed;
a relief of 18.35 is sought.
o The maximum building frontage allowed is 80%; 87% is proposed for building 7; relief of 7%
is requested.
o The maximum building frontage allowed is 80%; 83% is proposed for building 11; relief of
3% is sought.
• Applicant presentation: Fred Darguste
• Board members deliberation and questions to applicant.
• Applicant responded to board members questions.
• Request for public comment: No public comment.
• Findings of fact: LZ moved to approve the area variance base on the following findings of facts:
o Approving this variance will not cause an undesirable change to the character
of the neighborhood; the proposed structure is in keeping with the character of
the neighborhood.
o The variance cannot be achieved by any other feasible method other than what
is proposed.
o In the context of what is proposed, this is not substantial.
o The variance requested will not have an adverse environmental effect.
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City of Troy Agenda
Zoning Board of Appeals November 6th, 2024
• LZ motioned to approve the area variance SM seconded.
Absent Yes No Abstain Recused
Lindsay Zefting X
Stephen Miner X
Zachary Carhide (on zoom)
Tamara Demartino X
Yvie Dondes X
• Motioned to approve the area variance passed 3-0
Old Business
PLZBA 2024 0022 125 River St (100.68-1-1. /1|3.23ac| DMU| Downtown II)
Area Variance -SEQRA (Type I).
The applicant, Taylor II LLC, is proposing to construct two new mixed-use buildings consisting of 308
residential units and 2,135 sf of ground-floor retail space. Each building will consist of a six-story building
built on top of a one-story parking structure. The following variances are requested for the project:
o Front side setback required is 0 ft min. – 10 ft max, 11.5 ft and 13.2 ft are proposed for building
2 and 3 respectively. Seeking relief of 1.5 ft and 3.2 ft for building 2 and 3 respectively.
o Side setback required is 0 ft min. – 10 ft max, 24.6 ft and 35 ft are proposed for building 2 and 3
respectively. Seeking relief of 14.6 ft and 25 ft for building 2 and 3 respectively.
o The applicant is seeking relief from ‘freestanding parking structures and surface parking lots
shall not be built adjacent to the river or any public pathway easement to provide parking
adjacent to the Hudson River. ‘
o The applicant is seeking relief from ‘buildings with four or more floors shall have a step back of
at least 10 feet on each floor above the third floor on the riverside to mitigate the visual impact
of buildings from the river.’
o The required building frontage is 80% min-100% max, 44.8% is proposed for building 3, relief of
35.2% is requested.
• Applicant presentation: The applicant requested to postpone the application until a full board
is present; however, the board members expressed a desire to engage in a discussion with the
applicant prior to deferring the proposal.
• Board members deliberation and questions to applicant.
o LZ inquires whether the applicant can avoid splitting the sidewalk or minimize the
extent of sidewalk splitting to preserve the integrity of the street frontage (River st).
o LZ- How tall will the retaining walls be compared to the sidewalks.
o Applicant response: Applicant indicated that they are trying on holding the street walls
as much as possible. Applicant will talk with CMA to get the height of the wall.
• Public comment-
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City of Troy Agenda
Zoning Board of Appeals November 6th, 2024
• SM motioned to table proposal to next month per applicant request and also to present
additional documentation to the board, TD seconded.
Absent Yes No Abstain Recused
Lindsay Zefting Yes
Yvie Dondes X
Stehen Miner Yes
Zachary Carhide Yes (on zoom)
Tamara Demartino Yes
• Motion to table passed, 3-0.
• SM motion to adjourn meeting at 7:30pm, TD seconded.
Absent Yes No Abstain Recused
Lindsay Zefting Yes
Stephen Miner Yes
Yvie Dondes X
Tamara Demartino Yes
Yes
Zachary Carhide
(zoom)
• Motion to adjourn meeting at 7:30pm passed, 3-0.
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Zoning Board of Appeals
433 River St., Ste. 5001
Troy, NY 12180
Public Mee ng - Wednesday, November 6, 2024
PLZBA 2024 0022 125 River St (100.68-1-1. /1|3.23ac| DMU| Downtown II)
Area Variance -SEQRA (Unlisted).
Taylor Phase 2 and the Congress/Ferry Street Intersec on Improvement Project
At the Zoning Board of Appeals mee ng of October 2nd Pennrose explained in detail that the
ramps from the Congress Street Bridge were not being removed and that they had to design
around them.
On October 9th at the Congress/Ferry Street Intersec on Improvement Project mee ng, the
presenters, Creighton Manning Engineers and The City of Troy showed maps and explained
that the ramps are being removed.
During Q&A, I asked how long the ramp removal had been part of the project and the City
representa ve said that it was always the plan to remove the ramps.
I men oned that at the October ZBA mee ng, Pennrose was adamant that the ramps were
staying. I then asked the City if Pennrose was aware that the ramps were going to be removed
as part of the Congress/Ferry Street Intersec on Improvement Project.
The City responded that Pennrose is aware that the ramps are going to be removed but the
City is a slow moving ship and Pennrose does not want to wait for the ramps to be removed.
I also asked if the ramps removal and construc on of new embankment/retaining walls parallel
to River, Congress and Ferry Streets were included in the $10 million dollar budget for the
Congress/Ferry Street Intersec on Improvement Project. The City responded that the ramp
removal and new retaining wall construc on are included in the budget.
I would also like to add that at the October 2nd ZBA mee ng, Noah Freiburg of Pennrose stated
that the Taylor 1 and 2 buildings were vacant and boarded up from 2005 un l they were
demolished last year and that might end up being the fate of Taylor 3 & 4.
I heard this as a threat that if their Zoning variances were not approved then they would not
pursue the project.
Brief Background of the Pennrose Taylor Apartments Reconstruc on Planning
A er the 2019 and 2020 community mee ngs and the ini al submission of their proposed plans
for all phases of the Taylor Apartments replacement, Pennrose showed up to the Planning
Commission in December of 2021 with a completely different proposal for Phase 1.
For a look at all the many community and resident mee ngs that took place in the development
of the ini al proposal for the redevelopment of the Taylor Apartments please follow the link
below and scroll to the end.
h ps://troyhousing.org/taylor-apartments-redevelopment/
At the Planning Commission mee ng Steve Strichman stated that Pennrose was not able to get
the alloca on of 9% LIHTCs that they applied for and would be looking to a different program
for government assistance. This new program requires that Phase 1 have 141 apartments (equal
in number to those being demolished for the new Phase 1 building) He went on to explain that
this would sa sfy the affordable housing requirements for the project and that Phase 2 would
be market rate housing.
Phase 1 is to be rented to tenants from the current Taylor 3 & 4 buildings. Phase 2 is now
proposed as a mix of affordable and “workforce housing”.
Please consider the following as they pertain to the five Variances requested:
The project is too large for the site especially given the Applicant is trying to design
around the ramps to the Congress Street bridge. The 1st, 2nd & 5th items dealing with
frontage and setbacks are a result of trying to fit the project between the ramps.
The project needs to slow down and go back to a design based upon the one developed
through many community and planning mee ngs. This plan was presented to the
Planning Commission in October 2020. A rendering from that applica on is a ached for
reference.
I have heard three reasons that the Applicant must design with the ramps remaining. All
are ques onable:
o The ramps are structural and can’t be removed.
Only a por on of the ramps are structural. The structural por on of the
ramps ends at the pylon where the structural steel ends. This needs to be
confirmed as part of the Congress Street Bridge Project. A Google Maps
photo of the site showing this is a ached.
o It is too costly to remove the ramps.
This can be incorporated into the Congress Street Bridge Project, which
now has funding and is going to final design. I assume that this is what
was planned in the October 2020 applica on.
o NYS DOT has a permanent easement on the ramps.
While this may be true, you can request the NYS DOT to declare the ramp
land surplus to their needs. This also can be done as part of the Congress
Street Bridge Project.
The Applicant is reques ng five variances. Gran ng any of these variances sets an
extremely bad precedent given the fact that the salt pile is finally being moved and
extensive development of the riverfront south of this site is in planning.
I request that the Zoning Board of Appeals recommend to the Applicant that they slow
down, and design based on the projected Congress Street Bridge Project.
With the ramps removed, the added land may allow the Project to be redesigned to be
in compliance with the Zoning Ordinance.
I do feel that the Project will s ll have too many units and will be difficult to meet the
Zoning/Parking requirements.
Building Step Back
The 4th Variance Request is for elimina on of the step back requirement for buildings
on the river of 4 or more stories in height.
This should not be granted as it sets a bad precedent for future development on the
river.
In a prior presenta on to the Planning Commission, they were asked why the needed
this variance and their reply was that they required the 308 apartments to make the
numbers work. This is a self-imposed hardship and not a valid reason for a variance.
Surface Parking Lots
The 3rd Variance Request is for relief from the requirement that surface parking lots can
not be built adjacent to the river or any public pathway easement
This should not be granted as it sets a bad precedent for future development on the
river.
Parking
Since this larger Taylor Phase 1 building le inadequate parking for Phase 1, Pennrose promised
to construct 40 parking spaces in Phase 2 for Phase 1 residents.
Phase 2 as now proposed has 308 apartments with 123 paved parking spaces and 27 banked
parking spaces (green space that will be paved if parking is required for the commercial spaces
on the first floor)
Of these 123 parking spaces, 40 are reserved for the Taylor Phase 1 building currently under
construc on. The remaining 83 spaces will be for the Phase 2 apartments.
The Labella TDMP (Transporta on Demand Management Plan) recommends 259 parking
spaces for Taylor Phase 2.
Parking recap:
Taylor Phase 1:
o 141 apartments (244 bedrooms)
o 38 parking spaces plus 40 more when Taylor 2 is complete
.55 parking spaces per apt (.32 parking spaces per bedroom)
Taylor Phase 2 (proposed)
o 308 apartments (554 bedrooms)
o 83 parking spaces
.27 parking spaces per apartment (.15 parking spaces per bedroom)
Taylor 3 & 4 (current buildings to be demolished for Taylor Phase 2)
o 125 apartments
o 88 parking spaces
.70 parking spaces per apartment
Workforce housing tenants, 183 of the proposed apartments in Taylor Phase 2, will mostly have
cars, so how can you jus fy only .27 parking spots per apartment?
In addi on, THA vehicles have not been considered in the Labella TDMP.
o At most mes there are between 6 and 8 THA cars and trucks parked in the
exis ng Taylor 4 lot.
In Conclusion
Why must Taylor Phase 2 be so big?
o It is proposed as 308 apartments replacing 125 apartments.
What is the rush to finalize a design when a major project going through the middle of
their site is about to be finalized?
Why should Troy let Pennrose propose a project and then a er receiving community and
planning buy-in, change the project dras cally to make more money?
If the reason is that there are financing deadlines to meet or that they do not want to
wait un l the Congress/Ferry Street Intersec on Improvement Project is complete,
then these are self-imposed hardships and not a valid reason for a zoning variance.
Respec ully submi ed
Russell Brooks
37 1st Street
Troy, NY 12180
(518) 421-8194
rbrooks5147@gmail.com
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Agenda
Carmella Mantello Randy Coburn
Mayor Commissioner of Planning
Phone: 518-279-7166
Seamus Donnelly Randy.Coburn@troyny.gov
Deputy Mayor
Zoning Board of Appeals
433 River St., Ste. 5001
Troy, New York 12180
NOTICE OF PUBLIC MEETING
Notice is hereby given that the Zoning Board of Appeals of the City of Troy, New York, will conduct a
public meeting at 6:00 P.M. on Wednesday November 6th, 2024, in City Council Chambers, 5th Floor,
City Hall, 433 River Street, to hear and decide on the proposals listed below.
The City of Troy Zoning Board of Appeals will be conducting in-person meetings, however members of
the public may attend and participate virtually.
Members of the public are encouraged to submit comments prior to the meeting via email or in-person
during the public comment period. All written public comment should be directed to
zoningboard@troyny.gov at least six (6) hours prior to the meeting. No other email address is monitored
for public comment.
Administrative Items
Adoption of Meeting Minutes from September 4th and October 2nd by Resolution
New Business
PLZBA 2024 0052 7-13 Park Ave (090.63-34), (090.63-35), (090.63-36), (090.63-37) [MU-1 / N-II]
Area Variance. SEQR (Unlisted).
The applicant, Fred Darguste, on behalf of the owner, Troy Community Land Bank, wishes to adjust the
lot widths of four parcels to construct four new single-family homes. The following variances are
requested for the lot line adjustment:
o Proposed lot number 7 (90.63-2-4) requires a minimum lot width of 40 ft; 27.65 ft is
proposed; a relief of 12.35 ft is sought.
o Proposed lot number 9 (90.63-2-5) requires a minimum lot width of 40 ft; 21 ft is proposed;
a relief of 19 ft is sought.
o Proposed lot number 11 (90.63-2-6) requires a minimum lot width of 40 ft; 29 ft is
proposed; a relief of 11 ft is sought.
o Proposed lot number 13 (90.63-2-7) requires a minimum lot width of 40 ft; 21.65 is
proposed; a relief of 18.35 is sought.
o The maximum building frontage allowed is 80%; 87% is proposed for building 7; relief of
7% is requested.
o The maximum building frontage allowed is 80%; 83% is proposed for building 11; relief
of 3% is sought
Written by Angie Apindem Executive Secretary. For additional information, visit: https://www.troyny.gov/government/boards-
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City of Troy Agenda, November 6th, 2024
Zoning Board of Appeals
Old Business
PLZBA 2024 0022 125 River St (100.68-1-1. /1|3.23ac| DMU| Downtown II)
Area Variance -SEQRA (Type I).
The applicant, Taylor II LLC, is proposing to construct two new mixed-use buildings consisting of 308
residential units and 2,135 sf of ground-floor retail space. Each building will consist of a six-story
building built on top of a one-story parking structure. The following variances are requested for the
project:
o Front side setback required is 0 ft min. – 10 ft max, 11.5 ft and 13.2 ft are proposed for building 2
and 3 respectively. Seeking relief of 1.5 ft and 3.2 ft for building 2 and 3 respectively.
o Side setback required is 0 ft min. – 10 ft max, 24.6 ft and 35 ft are proposed for building 2 and 3
respectively. Seeking relief of 14.6 ft and 25 ft for building 2 and 3 respectively.
o The applicant is seeking relief from ‘freestanding parking structures and surface parking lots shall
not be built adjacent to the river or any public pathway easement to provide parking adjacent to
the Hudson River. ‘
o The applicant is seeking relief from ‘buildings with four or more floors shall have a step back of
at least 10 feet on each floor above the third floor on the riverside to mitigate the visual impact of
buildings from the river.’
o The required building frontage is 80% min-100% max, 44.8% is proposed for building 3, relief of
35.2% is requested.
Zoning Terms
DMU=Downtown Mixed Use
DT = Downtown
MF = Multi-family
MU = Mixed Use
SF = Single Family
N = Neighborhood
C-I = Campus – Institutional
C/C = Civic/Campus
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