City Council Work Session Joint Planning Commission
Regular MeetingTumwater, WA · December 10, 2024
Minutes
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CONVENE: 6:00 p.m.
PRESENT: Mayor Debbie Sullivan and Councilmembers Peter Agabi, Michael
Althauser, Joan Cathey, Leatta Dahlhoff, Angela Jefferson, Eileen
Swarthout, and Kelly Von Holtz.
Planning Commission: Chair Elizabeth Robbins and Commissioners
Gina Kotek, Terry Kirkpatrick, and Brandon Staff.
Excused: Commissioners Grace Edwards and Anthony Varela.
Staff: City Administrator Lisa Parks, City Attorney Karen Kirkpatrick,
Finance Director Troy Niemeyer, Police Chief Jon Weiks, Community
Development Department Director Michael Matlock, Water Resources
and Sustainability Department Director Dan Smith, Planning Manager
Brad Medrud, Police Commander Jay Mason, IT Manager Lance
Inman, and Deputy City Clerk Tracie Core.
2025 Manager Medrud provided an update on accomplishments in 2024 and
COMPREHENSIVE a review of the 2025 Work Program.
PLAN PERIODIC
UPDATE ON LAND USE Manager Medrud introduced Associate Planner Dana Bowers who
AND HOUSING recently joined the department. Planner Bowers shared information
ELEMENTS AND about her professional background and efforts on community
DEVELOPMENT CODE engagement.
UPDATE STATUS:
Manager Medrud said that Land Use and Housing Planner Erica Smith-
Erickson completed the update of the Hazard Mitigation Plan, the
required update of floodplain regulations, and is continuing work on the
Housing Element, as well as serving as staff to the Regional Housing
Council (RHC). He acknowledged the Council’s adoption of
Development Code Administration amendments and plans by staff to
review those changes in more detail during the 2025 update process.
2025 LONG RANGE Manager Medrud reviewed the draft 2025 Long Range Planning Work
PLANNING WORK Program. Continuing work items include:
PROGRAM:
• Comprehensive Plan Periodic Update scheduled for approval by
December 2025
• Bush Prairie Habitat Conservation Plan
• Regional Housing Council
• Tumwater Equity Tool Box
• Food System Plan
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The General Government Committee and the Planning Commission are
scheduled to receive updates in February 2025 on the Food System
Plan.
The City Council, Planning Commission, community members, and
City staff may propose projects for the annual work program. The draft
2025 work program consists of projects budgeted for 3.30 department
FTEs with more than half of the staff time dedicated to the completion
of the updates to the Comprehensive Plan and Development Code.
Ongoing work on the Bush Prairie Habitat Conservation Plan and with
the RHC on homelessness and affordable housing will require 20% of
staff resources in 2025.
The joint work session provides an opportunity for the Council and
Planning Commission to discuss the draft 2025 work program as well
as general topics related to their respective roles covering a range of
community development issues.
The structure of the work program lists major projects for 2025. Items
listed below the line are potential items of interest while acknowledging
that the items listed above the line are to be completed first before
dedicating time and resources to items listed below the line:
• Comprehensive Plan Amendment Docket – requires 40% of all
budgeted staff time focusing on the following activities:
− 2025 Comprehensive Plan Periodic Update (continued
from 2024)
− Thurston County Joint Plan Update and County Urban
Growth Area Swap Amendment (at 93rd Avenue and Old
Highway 99). Staff is currently working on an interlocal
agreement with Thurston County to identify
responsibilities with staff, anticipating most of the work
will require City staff time and resources. (update
continued from 2024 with County Urban Growth Area
Swap Amendment new in 2025)
− Parks, Recreation, and Open Space Plan Update – support
to Parks, Recreation, and the Facilities Department (new in
2025). The Parks, Recreation, and Open Space Plan has not
been updated since 2008 except for a minor update in 2016.
− Economic Development Plan Update – Support for
Executive Department (continued from 2024)
• Development Regulation Amendment Docket – requires
approximately 15% of all budgeted staff time with
approximately 10% budgeted staff time spent on the 2025
Development Code Periodic Update
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− 2025 Development Code Periodic Update (continued
from 2024)
− Other Amendments:
General Commercial Mixed Use Residential
Amendments (continued from 2024)
Multifamily Tax Exemption Update (new in
2025). The timing is important as the program is
scheduled to expire in 2026 providing an
opportunity to assess how the program is
performing and state law changes that could
improve the program.
Thurston County Code Title 22 – Tumwater
Urban Growth Area Zoning (continued from
2024)
• Other Planning Projects – requires approximately 25% of all
budgeted staff time with the HCP requiring approximately 11%
of all budgeted staff time:
− Annexation (initiated by an expected private
application). The Council will review the proposal and
determine whether to proceed with the annexation.
− Brewery Redevelopment/Planed Action EIS and
Ordinance (new in 2025)
− Bush Prairie Conservation Plan (continued from 2024)
− Equity Toolbox (continued from 2024)
− Energy Performance Rating Program (new in 2025)
− Food System Plan (continued from 2024)
− Homeless Shelter/Emergency/Transitional Housing
Assessment and Feasibility Study (new in 2025)
− Rental Housing and Registration Program (ongoing)
• General Management and Coordination (ongoing)
• Below the Line Projects:
− Urban Forestry Management Plan Amendments –
Landscaping, Street Tree Standards, and Tree and
Vegetation Preservation (continued from 2022-23).
Manager Medrud explained that because of other projects and the
Comprehensive Plan Periodic Update process, staff is recommending
the postponement of work on the Landscaping, Street Tree Standards,
and Tree and Preservation amendments until 2026. Staff reviewed the
proposal with the Tree Board at its recent meeting and reviewed the
reasons for the delay and the status of current codes with some work
required on the ordinance to ensure a simpler process than currently in
place, as well as on efforts to reengage with the community. That work
item would be delayed until 2026.
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Manager Medrud reviewed recommended discussion topics for the
Council and the Commission to consider:
• How has coordination between the City Council and Planning
Commission been in 2024 and what could be improved in 2025?
• What went well with the 2024 work program and what could be
improved?
• What are the Council’s main priorities for long range planning
in 2025?
• Are there more opportunities for collaboration between the
Council and the Commission to consider?
• Are there any additional projects to consider in 2025 and what
projects could be delayed to accommodate any new additions?
• If adjustments are required to the 2025 work program, what
projects have less priority?
Mayor Sullivan invited questions and comments.
Manager Medrud was asked about the location of the proposed
annexation. He explained that the proposed annexation is located off
93rd Avenue. Staff is currently working on the proposal with applicant.
Councilmember Dahlhoff said she appreciates the information and the
toggling of priorities. She asked whether there is another list or other
method the department uses to track the applicable board or
commission that could contribute assistance.
Manager Medrud replied that most work program items are reviewed
by the Planning Commission and that they essentially serve as the
Commission’s work program. In those areas of overlap, such as the
Tree Board with urban forestry related work items, an annual summary
is provided to the Tree Board to review various action items identified
in the Urban Forestry Management Plan. At the Board’s recent
meeting, members reviewed actions in the Urban Forestry Management
Plan and staff implementations of some actions. Staff anticipates
working with the Parks and Recreation Commission as part of the
Parks, Recreation, and Open Space Plan update. Staff relies on the
Council providing direction on involvement by other boards or
commissions.
Councilmember Cathey questioned why the urban forestry reviews fell
below the line as the current delay was attributed to the state’s
requirements. She asked about the discussion with the Tree Board as
the action once again delays action on a topic that has been delayed for
years. One of the most important aspects of addressing climate change
is through trees, which requires addressing the City’s tree preservation
requirements.
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Manager Medrud said that essentially, there were too many work items
of higher priority to complete in 2025. It was a difficult process because
both above and below the line items are important projects. It came
down to staff making a choice based on staff capacity, timing of work
items, and state mandated updates to meet the requirements of state
RCWs. The decision was difficult and included discussions by staff
and with the Executive Department as to how to approach the 2025
work program. Staff engaged in conversations with the Tree Board and
the Planning Commission about the work program items.
Councilmember Cathey requested feedback from the Commission
about their respective discussion on deferring the urban forestry work
items, as she does not recall any discussion with the Council.
Director Matlock commented that part of the issue with respect to the
work program during 2025 was the enormous amount of resources
required to complete the 10-year Comprehensive Plan update. The
projection of staff capacity exceeded staff resources by 500 hours.
Based on the proposed work program, staff determined that no other
items would release sufficient staff capacity to address urban forestry.
However, the Council has the prerogative to adjust the work program.
Councilmember Cathey noted that the work program reflects 240 hours
of staff time to review the Multifamily Tax Exemption Program.
Although the Council has discussed the program and acknowledged its
importance, it could be moved below the line. She is disappointed with
the decision to delay the review of urban forestry amendments.
Manager Medrud advised that the Council is requested to provide
guidance on the proposed work program to move forward to the consent
calendar or to schedule another discussion by the Council’s second
regular meeting in January.
Councilmember Dahlhoff agreed more discussion is required and
suggested dedicating some of the hours from the Multifamily Tax
Exemption Program to the trees and urban forestry reviews. She agreed
that more time is desirable to review options.
Councilmember Agabi requested clarification as to the intent of the tree
and urban forestry review. Manager Medrud responded that previously,
the Council placed a priority to address amendments to the urban
forestry code covering landscaping, street trees, and tree and vegetation.
Staff initiated the process in 2022 and continued the review until 2023
when progress was paused because of state issues with the Wildland-
Urban Interface Code and department staffing capacity. Today, the
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question is how and when to restart the review process and how to
incorporate the work within the framework of other work priorities.
Councilmember Cathey pointed out that restarting the urban forestry
work was promised to continue in 2025. She also believes the City
contracted with a consultant to assist the City with the review.
Councilmember Althauser asked whether the hours assigned to the HCP
are dependent upon any federal response and continuing challenges
with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) in terms of its
response to the HCP.
Manager Medrud replied that recent conversations with representatives
from USFWS and congressional representatives reflect willingness by
USFWS to work with the City to reinitiate the process. Staff anticipates
producing a final public draft of the HCP for release to the public based
on those recent joint conversations.
Councilmember Althauser asked about the status of the budgeted hours
if the plan does not require the extent of hours projected in the budget.
Manager Medrud advised that staff would schedule an update on any
project that might be affected by unforeseen circumstances to receive
guidance on other projects to consider that are listed below the line.
However, he does not anticipate a stall in the HCP based on recent
discussions with USFWS.
Councilmember Swarthout asked about the circumstances that are
indicative that USFWS would not request more requirements. Manager
Medrud said staff is cautiously optimistic based on recent discussions
with congressional staff and staff from USFWS.
Director Matlock said the conversation reflected that USFWS
representatives were much more open for the City to pursue different
approaches to enable completion of the HCP.
Manager Medrud responded to questions about the time allocated for
public inquiries and general City Council and interdepartmental
support. He explained that the allocation of staff hours also includes
the probability of a large, unexpected project that creates turmoil and
requires staff capacity to focus on the issue. Those hours are included
as a contingency.
Mayor Sullivan acknowledged the request to schedule more discussion
on the work program.
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Councilmember Dahlhoff recommended scheduling a work session to
enable more time for the discussion.
Mayor Sullivan affirmed scheduling the discussion during the January
14, 2025 work session.
Manager Medrud invited feedback and suggestions from the Council to
assist staff in preparing for the work program discussion.
Chair Robbins advised that the Commission discussed supporting the
work that supports the Council’s decision-making within available
resources. She encouraged conversations about those instances that
stall or pause a work item, such as the Wildland-Urban Interface Code
because it disrupted both interest in, as well as the momentum of the
review process. When those interruptions occur to regularly scheduled
programs, it would be helpful to receive guidance from the Council as
to ways the Commission could assist to accommodate unforeseen
delays. Numerous legislative requirements in the last year have
impacted cities. She is hopeful the City is working with the Association
of Washington Cities to encourage the Legislature to pace new
requirements to assist jurisdictions.
Commissioner Kirkpatrick said the Parks, Recreation, and Open Space
Plan was a last minute addition as the Commission was not aware that
the update was a requirement. He assumed the update would be
spearheaded by a consultant, as the Metropolitan Park District is a
stand-alone entity.
Manager Medrud advised that the department’s role in the update is in
support to the Parks and Recreation Department and its consultant.
However, as it involves the code and policy changes, the department
must ensure it aligns with other City policies and codes.
City Administrator Parks added that the Parks, Recreation, and Open
Space Plan is outdated with many needs in the parks program that
requires an updated plan to qualify for state grants through the
Recreation Conservation Office for park projects. The Planning
Commission and planning staff have supporting roles. Because the
element is a component of the Comprehensive Plan it also adheres to
the public review process as required by the Growth Management Act.
Discussion ensued on the role of the Parks and Recreation Commission
to lead the update of the Parks, Recreation, and Open Space Plan and
the importance of the Commission considering how the various plans
shape the future of the community and help to establish the City’s
success. It is important to consider how actions implemented within
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the various plans are trending and assessing whether the City is
proceeding in the right direction in attracting new and supporting
existing residents and businesses, and the importance of sharing the
City’s history with the Commission and improving communications
between both entities.
Councilmember Swarthout said she reviews the minutes of the General
Government Committee and the Planning Commission meetings to help
her prepare to address various issues.
City Administrator Parks noted that the City is moving to produce
action formatted minutes with videos of each meeting and agenda topics
bookmarked for easier access as forecasted in the 2023-2024 City
budget.
Councilmember Von Holtz asked about accessibility of videos to those
who have no internet access or to those with a hearing disability. City
Administrator Parks said the City provides information on the website
directing individuals who have accessibility issues. Access to meeting
videos is available through YouTube or the City’s website.
Chair Robbins affirmed the lag time of receiving minutes after the
meeting but is concerned about converting to action oriented minutes
and videos because of not only accessibility issues but content as well.
Not all meeting discussions involve an action item but there are points
of discussion that might be relevant to capture. She asked about the
possibility of producing summary notes to document the conversations
and points addressed that would be useful for the record, the Council,
and for the advisory bodies.
Discussion continued on the format of the minutes, timeliness of
receiving minutes, and the status of contracting for the production of
minutes. City Administrator Parks noted that the action minutes would
be produced by staff and as conversion of the minutes proceeds, the
contract will be extended into mid-2025 to enable time for staff to
transition the process. The level of detail will be subjective, and any
additional level of detail will entail more discussion and adjustments.
Councilmember Althauser shared information on the ability for
YouTube to provide a transcript of a meeting.
The Council and the Commission shared their respective insights on the
helpfulness of meeting jointly and sharing information. Manager
Medrud noted that more opportunities will be available to schedule
more joint work sessions in 2025. A reception for Commissioner
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Varela is scheduled following the meeting. Commissioner Varela is
leaving the Commission.
Mayor Sullivan affirmed the first Council work session in January 2025
would include a discussion on the 2025 Work Program with the Council
forwarding questions and comments to staff prior to the meeting.
The meeting was recessed from 7:00 p.m. to 7:03 p.m. for a break.
CITY COUNCIL WORK
SESSION:
COMMON INTEREST Director Matlock advised that an important element of work on the HCP
AND is the availability of property to serve as mitigation after the City
CONFIDENTIALITY receives an incidental take permit from USFWS to allow for limited
AGREEMENT “take” of the listed species. One of the requirements for an incidental
BETWEEN THE CITY take permit to be issued is approval of the HCP by USFWS. The
OF TUMWATER, PORT proposed agreement enables the City to pursue discussions with
OF OLYMPIA, partners (Port of Olympia, Thurston County, and the Thurston
THURSTON COUNTY, Conservation District) about funding that fall within the realm of
AND THE THURSTON attorney-client privilege. The agreement authorizes those discussions.
CONSERVATION Lacking an agreement, the parties are unable to discuss property
DISTRICT FOR appraisals under the umbrella of attorney-client privilege.
CONSERVATION
PROPERTY City Administrator Parks said the City currently has the same type of
PURCHASES RELATED agreement with the Port of Olympia for the overall development of the
TO THE BUSH HCP. The proposed agreement speaks specifically to property
PRAIRIE HABITAT purchases and includes the other two partners.
CONSERVATION PLAN
(HCP):
MOTION: Councilmember Althauser moved, seconded by Councilmember
Swarthout, to authorize the Mayor to sign the Common Interest
and Confidentiality Agreement between the City of Tumwater,
Port of Olympia, Thurston County, and the Thurston Conservation
District for Conservation Property Purchases Related to the Bush
Prairie Habitat Conservation Plan (HCP). A voice vote approved
the motion unanimously.
INTERLOCAL Police Commander Mason reported the police department utilizes
AGREEMENT WITH Washington State Patrol (WSP) facilities for different training needs,
THE WASHINGTON such as emergency vehicle operations. The police department
STATE PATROL (WSP) participated in training in the fall and following WSP forwarding an
FOR FACILITIES USE: invoice for the use of the facilities, it was discovered the City lacked a
current contract with WSP. The proposed contract is to rectify the
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situation to ensure WSP is compensated and the police department is
able to access to training facilities over the contract period.
MOTION: Councilmember Agabi moved, seconded by Councilmember Von
Holtz, to approve and authorize the Mayor to sign the interlocal
agreement with WSP to use WSP facilities for training. A voice
vote approved the motion unanimously.
MAYOR/CITY City Administrator Parks thanked the Council for comments on the
ADMINISTRATOR’S 2025 Long Range Work Plan.
REPORT:
The Christmas Tree Lighting event was successful. The fire department
continues to visit City neighborhoods with Santa.
A video has been released on the Transportation Benefit District.
City Administrator Parks conveyed messages of thanks from staff to the
Council for approving the budget, as well as from non-represented
employees for the market rate increase.
City Administrator Parks wished the Council a wonderful holiday
season and is looking forward to 2025.
Mayor Sullivan wished the Council and staff members a happy holiday.
The next Council meeting is scheduled on January 7, 2025 affording a
break for both the Council and staff during the holiday season.
ADJOURNMENT: With there being no further business, Mayor Sullivan adjourned
the meeting at 7:14 p.m.
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Agenda
CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION JOINT PLANNING COMMISSION
MEETING AGENDA
Online via Zoom and In Person at
Tumwater City Hall, Council Chambers,
555 Israel Rd. SW, Tumwater, WA 98501
Tuesday, December 10, 2024
6:00 PM
1. Call to Order
2. Roll Call
3. 2025 Comprehensive Plan Periodic Update on Land Use and Housing Elements and Development
Code Update Status (Community Development Department)
4. 2025 Long Range Planning Work Program (Community Development Department)
5. Adjourn
TUMWATER CITY COUNCIL
WORKSESSION
Immediately following the joint meeting
1. Action Items
a. Common Interest and Confidentiality Agreement between the City of Tumwater, Port of
Olympia, Thurston County, and the Thurston Conservation District for Conservation Property
Purchases Related to the Bush Prairie Habitat Conservation Plan (HCP) (Community
Development Department)
b. Interlocal Agreement with the Washington State Patrol (WSP) for Facilities Use (Police
Department)
2. Mayor/City Administrator's Report
3. Adjourn
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