Regional Fire Authority Planning Committee
Regular MeetingTumwater, WA · May 23, 2022
Minutes
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CONVENE: 5:30 p.m.
PRESENT: Chair/City of Tumwater Councilmember Leatta Dahlhoff, Vice
Chair/Olympia Councilmember Yến Huỳnh, Olympia Councilmember
Jim Cooper, Tumwater Councilmember Eileen Swarthout, Fire Union
Representative/Firefighter Steven Busz, Tumwater Fire Union
Representative/Paramedic Lieutenant James Osberg, Tumwater Fire Chief
Brian Hurley, and Olympia Fire Chief Mark John.
Excused: Tumwater Councilmember Michael Althauser and Olympia
Councilmember Lisa Parshley.
Staff: Tumwater City Administrator John Doan, Olympia City Manager
Jay Burney, Olympia Interim Fire Chief Todd Carson, and Tumwater Fire
Department Administrative Assistant Erika Stone.
Others: Karen Reed, RFA Consultant; Karen Meyer, The Athena Group;
and Bill Cushman, Fiscal Analyst.
WELCOME & Chair Dahlhoff welcomed everyone to the meeting.
AGENDA:
Karen Meyer reviewed the agenda.
At the request of Councilmember Cooper, Ms. Reed updated members on
the status of the financial model. Some data points are pending prior to
presenting the model to the committee. The model is intended to reflect
how to maintain service levels over seven years and will include service
enhancements. The model also includes an assumption of a fire levy of
either $1 or $1.50 and a fire benefit charge and the amount needed. The
first review of the financial model is scheduled at the committee’s June
13, 2022 meeting.
Mr. Cushman reported on a pending meeting to complete the apparatus
replacement and acquisition schedule, which is the remaining piece of the
current budget. Information is pending on the CARES and BLS
Transport programs for staffing and equipment necessary to provide the
services. Following receipt of the information, the model will be
presented to the committee.
Discussion ensued on the inherent conflicts between the committee’s
timeline and each city’s financial implications for formation of the RFA
to ensure each council is capable of making an informed
recommendation. Ms. Reed noted that the next scheduled update to the
councils is at the end of June following the committee’s initial review of
the financial model to track with the October timeline.
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Ms. Reed recapped the results of the first public meeting. Many people
participated and offered questions and comments. The virtual meeting
was recorded and is available online. Feedback from members included:
Structure was appropriate with all panelists and speakers well
prepared. Both cities participated to include fire department staff
representing both cities. The panel comprised of fire chiefs and
firefighters was appropriate.
Panelists and staff were well prepared and were able to answer
questions. The talking points on the schedule deserves more
attention as it often conveyed that the committee is moving briskly
and it is important not to convey to the community that the process
is proceeding too quickly. It is important to communicate how the
committee is moving forward in an informed manner with all
information considered.
The next public open house is scheduled in August.
Ms. Meyer queried City Administrator Doan and City Manager Burney
for the date of the June presentation to the councils. City Manager
Burney advised that they would coordinate dates with each council.
GOVERNANCE: Ms. Reed explained that the goal of the discussion is to identify three to
four viable governance models to share with each city council. During the
discussion she reviewed the parameters for establishing districts and an at-
large district. All voters of an at-large district encompassing the
boundaries of Tumwater and Olympia can vote in the primary and general
elections. Districts must be equal in population and can number more
than two; however voters in each district can only vote in the primary for
that district and all voters of each district can vote in the general election.
Ms. Reed shared the updated governance template based on the discussion
from the May 9, 2022 meeting:
Option 1: 5 member board, 1 appointed by Olympia, 1 appointed
by Tumwater, 3 elected by district
Option 2: 6 member board, 3 appointed by Olympia, 3 appointed
by Tumwater
Option 3: 7 member board, 2 appointed by Olympia, 2 appointed
by Tumwater, 3 directly elected – at large
Option 4: 7 member board, 1 appointed by Olympia, 1 appointed
by Tumwater, 5 directly elected – at large
Option 5: 7 member board, 1 elected by Olympia, 1 elected by
Tumwater, 5 directly elected – by district
Members offered the following feedback:
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The board should be a seven-member board with one elected
official appointed from Olympia and Tumwater with options to
consider at-large members or district members. Another option is
two appointed elected officials from each city with either at-large
or district members.
Prefer an option that includes two elected commissioners
representing each city and one commissioner elected at-large. Ms.
Reed noted that each district must have the same population. It is
not possible to elect just one districted commissioner from each
city. Based on that limitation, the preference is a seven-member
board with two elected officials from each city and three
commissioners elected by the districts.
Members present supported a seven-member board.
Several members preferred an at-large model rather than
districting to increase opportunities to connect with different
voices and to ensure equity.
A three-district option might be more difficult rather than one
large district.
Consider an option of two districts (Tumwater and Olympia) and
one at-large district.
More information is needed on districting.
Prefer option 3 as it is important to serve the entire RFA and not
just any particular jurisdiction. Understand the desire to include
councilmembers but prefer the at-large model as it enables a larger
pool of candidates rather than forming separate districts
Can support options 3 or 6 depending upon the most balanced
approach. Including members at-large provides a tremendous
amount of value.
Prefer option 4 as both councils are extremely busy and city
workload might be too much for governing the RFA.
Support option 4 but prefer an at-large option rather than
districting and it enables each city to be represented on the board.
Prefer option 4 with a secondary choice of option 3. Not
necessarily opposed to districting but believe the at-large is the
better option.
Councilmember Huỳnh shared Councilmember Parshley’s
preference of either option 3 or option 4.
Chair Dahlhoff shared Councilmember Althauser’s preference of
an uneven number of seats and an at-large district (options 3 or 4)
The committee should address the issue of majority of
councilmembers or majority of commissioners. Ms. Reed offered
that the pros and cons can be shared with the councils to receive
feedback.
Support option 4 as it mimics the Thurston County 911
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Administration Board.
Given the enormous workload of each council, reducing the
number of appointed positions is preferable. Given that fire
districts or RFAs must continuously seek voter approval on a
regular basis, it is important for the RFA to maintain a good
relation with its base. It is important for the RFA Board to view
beyond the boundaries of both cities and represent the entire
community otherwise it will be difficult to pass measures.
Agree with council’s workloads but difficult to know the extent of
the workload as a member of the RFA board. Considering those
issues, prefer option 4 or even option 3. Share concerns that
districting is difficult and might result in more representation from
Olympia than Tumwater.
In response to comments on commitment of time by elected
officials, Ms. Reed offered to follow-up with other RFAs on the
typical time commitment.
Ms. Reed summarized the committee’s feedback as a preference of either
option 3 or 4 understanding that the initial board would be option 2
transitioning over time to the recommended option. She will update the
governance template for review at the next meeting to determine the final
version for presentation to the councils in June.
Councilmember Cooper inquired about situations where councilmember
assignments might change or a councilmember is not reelected. Ms. Reed
explained that language could be included in the RFA addressing those
types of circumstances.
Another consideration for governance is the number of votes afforded to
each position. Staggering of terms is another topic of discussion by the
committee. Options include 2, 4, or 6-year terms. Ms. Reed described
some different iterations and the transition pattern of different terms. The
RFA Plan will need to identify the initial positions and how they
transition to the preferred longer-term governance model.
The committee discussed an option of scheduling a joint council meeting
to review governance options and the finance model. City Administrator
Doan and City Manager Burney agreed to meet to schedule a joint
worksession of 1.5 hours with 45 minutes dedicated to the financial model
and 45 minutes dedicated to governance options.
ADJOURNMENT: With there being no further business, Chair Dahlhoff adjourned the
meeting at 6:41 p.m.
Prepared by Valerie L. Gow, Recording Secretary/President
Puget Sound Meeting Services, psmsoly@earthlink.net
Agenda
OLYMPIA TUMWATER
REGIONAL FIRE AUTHORITY
PLANNING COMMITTEE
MEETING AGENDA
Online via Zoom
Monday, May 23, 2022
5:30 PM
1. Welcome
a. Agenda
2. Governance
3. Comparison Structures
4. Action and Question Log
5. Adjourn
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