Historic Preservation Commission
Regular MeetingTybee Island, GA · November 13, 2023
Minutes
Tybee Island
HISTORIC PESERVATION COMMISSON
Meeting Minutes
Date & Time: November 13, 2023, 6:00 pm
Present: Holly Grell-Lawe, Mike Goldberg, Mary Anne Butler, Cara Cole, Cassidi Kendrick
Absent: Marty Harrell, Spec Hosti
Observers: Bill Garbett (City Councilman), Tony Ploughe (City Councilman-Elect), Dawn Shay
(Forever Tybee), Pat Leiby (Tybee/MLK)
Location: Burke Day Public Safety Building, Conference Building, 78 Van Horne Ave
Call to Order
The meeting was called to order at 6:00pm. A quorum was present.
Approval of Minutes
The minutes of the October 9, 2023 meeting were unanimously approved upon motion by Mike
Goldberg and seconded by Mary Anne Butler.
Announcements
Tybee/MLK
Pat Leiby reported that there will be a Tybee/MLK program on December 26, the first day of
Kwanza, at the North Beach Bar and Grill from 3:00pm-5:00pm. Lillian Grant Baptiste will be
presenting the program. Everyone is invited.
Lazaretto Coalition
No update was available. It was confirmed that Jim Hilary is the contact for the Lazaretto
Coalition. Holly Grell-Lawe noted that HPC’s Liaison to the Lazaretto Coalition for 2024 will be
appointed at the HPC’s 2024 Annual Planning Meeting. Mary Anne Butler is HPC’s current liaison
and Mike Goldberg is the back-up.
Ongoing Business
Central Island Historic District Update
Bob Ciucevich’s November update on the Central Island National Historic District application was
emailed to HPC members. Holly Grell-Lawe stated the Initial Research, Draft Developmental
History, Draft Contributing/Non-Contributing Resources Index and the Draft Field
Map/Preliminary Boundaries Determinations are completed. Mr. Ciucevich’s November update
reported that he is currently working on the architectural section (building styles and types) of
the Physical Description and the Draft Statement of Significance. Holly Grell-Lawe asked all HPC
members to review the new text and send any questions or concerns to her and Cassidi to be
collated and sent to Mr. Ciucevich.
The proposed district boundaries are the beach to Jones Avenue and 6th Street to 12th Street.
The bulk of the remaining Tybee Raised Cottages (an architectural style unique to Tybee) are
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within this area and 79% of the buildings are historic. This is a very healthy ratio of
contributing/non-contributing houses for the application. Holly Grell-Lawe stated she hopes the
initial application package can be sent to the State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO) before
the end of the year. The application will be made publicly available when it is submitted to
SHPO and NPS. As advised by Mr. Ciucevich, this is a long, iterative process and revisions will
be made to the application based on feedback from SHPO and NPS.
Holly Grell-Lawe stated it will be important to plan outreach for the proposed district at the
HPC’s Annual Planning Meeting so that everyone understands that a National Historic District
designation is a form of recognition. It does not impose requirements on property owners.
North Campbell Conservation District
Holly Grell-Lawe addressed the status of the North Campbell Conservation District as follows:
“I commented in last month’s HPC meeting that I had technical questions that I wanted to
discuss wit HPC Advisor, Sarah Jones. Several weeks ago, I was able to have that conversation
with Sarah which discussed the technical details of the criteria used to determine ‘historical
significance.’
At the present time, here is what we know about the North Campbell neighborhood. The North
Campbell neighborhood encompasses a 6.25 acre are that is identified as ‘SOLD’ on the March
1890 Plan of Tybee Island map. A 1919 map of the ‘North Campbell Subdivision’ shows its
boundaries as Campbell Avenue on the North, Logan Street on the West, Solomon Avenue on
the East and the marsh on the South. The North Campbell neighborhood is proximate to Fort
Screven, being located right across the tracks of what was then the Savannah & Atlantic
Railway—across from the Guardhouse and the area now known as J.C. Park. There is
unsubstantiated (undocumented) anecdotal information that the North Campbell neighborhood
may have been home to tradespeople (electricians, plumbers, etc.) who serviced Fort Screven.
There are a total of 34 houses in the neighborhood. 18 of those are older than 50 years of age.
16 of those 18 may be historic in a neighborhood district context (47% of the total). Although
the 16 structures may or may not be architecturally significant, the building styles represented
by those 16 include bungalows, hall-parlors, American Small Houses, Georgian cottages and a
Four-Square cottage.
What we do not know about the North Campbell neighborhood and its structures is whether it is
historically significant in terms of: events that contributed significantly to our history; the lives
of significant persons in our past; artistic values or distinctive types, methods or periods of
construction; or, whether it has yield or may yield information important in history or pre-
history.
It has been confirmed that one of the older bungalows in the neighborhood was determined o
not be eligible for listing on the National Register of Historic Places due to modifications made
to the front of the house, nor was it eligible for a façade easement.
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At the present time, HPC does not have the resources needed for the extensive research that is
needed to establish if the neighborhood and its structures have historical significance. This
might make a good graduate student research project. It is also noted that the number of
structures that may be historic within a neighborhood context (16) is approximately 47%, less
than a majority of the total number of existing structures (34), which is not an ideal basis for
putting forward a Conservation District Ordinance to City Council.”
Stating that for these reasons, Holly Grell-Lawe made a motion that the HPC table to North
Campbell Conservation District Pilot Project at this time, in favor of putting HPC’s limited
resources toward other projects with higher chances of success and established as a higher
priority in previous HPC meetings. The motion was seconded by Mike Goldberg and was
unanimously approved.
HPC Vacant Position
Holly Grell-Lawe stated the HPC vacant position has been posted on the City’s website and the
application deadline is November 30. In accordance with HPC’s Procedures for the Conduct of
HPC Business, a Nominating Committee was established at the meeting that includes the HPC
Chair (Holly Grell-Lawe) and HPC members Mary Anne Butler and Cara Cole, both of whom
volunteered to serve. Cassidi Kendrick reported that no new applications have been received so
far. Cassidi Kendrick confirmed that Marna Lewin’s application from last spring remains on file
and Ms. Lewin has confirmed that she is still interested in the position. Cassidi Kendrick noted
that there is only one City Council meeting in December, scheduled for December 14. HPC’s
recommended nominee to fill the vacant position will need to be submitted to the Clerk of
Council by December 7 to appear on the City Council Agenda for December 14. The HPC is
required to send to City Council all the applications received, along with the HPC’s
recommendation on who to appoint to fill the position.
New Business
HPC Annual Planning Meeting
Holly Grell-Lawe stated she would like to schedule the HPC Annual Planning Meeting for January
27 from 10:00am-2:15pm. Councilman Garbett stated that all City Council members will be at a
GMA meeting in Atlanta that weekend. Holly Grell-Lawe noted that the Mayor, City Council
members, HPC partner organizations and the public are invited to attend. To provide the
opportunity for Council members to attend, all HPC members agreed to schedule the HPC
Annual Planning Meeting for February 3, 2024. Cassidi Kendrick will book the Guardhouse for
the meeting. Holly Grell-Lawe indicated that she wants to ensure that HPC establishes its work
and budget priorities early in the year. Also, she advised that this year’s Annual Planning
Meeting will include a SWOT (strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats) analysis so there is
a more definitive context for the setting of HPC priorities.
CAMP Training Debrief (Commission Assistance & Mentoring Program of the
National Alliance of Preservation Commissions)
HPC members attended CAMP Training in Savannah on July 28, 2023. The training addressed
disaster planning as related to historic preservation, and focused on adaptation, resilience,
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hazard mitigation and recovery primarily related to disaster events such as flooding and
hurricanes. HPC members were asked to each share one take-away from the training.
Mike Goldberg’s take-away was the presentation on the use of flood gates on brick buildings
that had a false façade where flood gates could slide down, although it was unclear if this could
be applied to Tybee’s historic buildings.
Holly Grell-Lawe came away with a lot of “unknowns” from the training, especially as related to
“do we have that on Tybee?” Examples: Is resiliency incorporated into our Land Development
Code (which is under review)? Is there a context for historic preservation within the Land
Development Code? Are historic structures or historic preservation addressed in Tybee’s disaster
mitigation plans? Does the City have any type of building assessment protocol for historic
structures on Tybee listed on the National Register of Historic Places or located with our
National Historic Districts? Holly Grell-Lawe stated she was able to locate an Executive Summary
of the Flood Adaptation and Mitigation Plan for Savannah and Tybee Island that was mentioned
by the instructors several times during the training and recognized by the Union of Concerned
Scientists in 2017 and used a model in other communities. She was not able to locate online a
copy of the actual plan itself.
Mary Anne Butler stated she had not realized how much power the National Park Service (NPS)
has after a disaster and the fact that they have grant funds available after disasters to address
historic preservation issues. Mary Anne Butler also stated that she realized from this training
that you cannot save everything, although that is what she wants to do, that is her philosophy.
Cara Cole followed up on Mary Anne Butler’s comments by stating that it is because you cannot
save everything, that full photo documentation is important, especially for those buildings we
cannot save. She also met a contact—Jennifer Lewis at UGA College of Environmental Design—
who can help with cultural heritage preservation. Cara Cole also learned how important native
trees and plants are to resilience and she would like to see a Trees Atlanta-type program on
Tybee for shade and flood mitigation and resilience. Holly Grell-Lawe commented that as she
read through the Central Island Historic District nomination, she learned how the original
landscape (e.g. native plants) is important in the context of historic preservation and this is
something that NPS looks at as well.
Holly Grell-Lawe asked if there were action items for HPC based on what was learned at the
CAMP Training. These are items that can be captured in the HPC “parking lot” for review at the
HPC Annual Planning Meeting. Cara Cole suggested the tree planting project, an action item for
the “smart”/alternate building codes that would apply to historic buildings, and HPC to become
an education resource for homeowners, residents and investors on such codes. Holly Grell-Lawe
suggested the development of a reading list for HPC members and getting with George Shaw at
Planning & Zoning to understand current documented disaster plans an how they address
resiliency, recovery and building assessment for historic buildings.
State Historic Preservation Conference Debrief & Sunsetting of Georgia Historic
Preservation Tax Incentives
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Cassidi Kendrick and Cara Cole attended the State Historic Preservation Conference in Augusta
in September and were asked to brief HPC members on their take-aways and what they learned
about efforts to reverse the sunsetting of Georgia historic preservation tax incentives (the
sunsetting was passed by the Georgia legislature in last year’s session). State tax incentives for
individual houses will sunset at the end of 2024 and the incentives for larger properties will
sunset at the end of 2027. Cassidi Kendrick stated that there have been a good number of
federal tax credit projects on Tybee but not as many state tax incentive projects. Holly Grell-
Lawe indicated that it is likely that there are historic restorations on Tybee that probably would
not have occurred without the tax incentives. HPC Advisor, Sarah Jones, is likely the best local
resource for information on tax incentive projects on Tybee.
Cassidi Kendrick stated that she learned at the conference that there are local Savannah historic
preservation resources that are advocating for extending the tax incentives, which have been
extended once before. Cassidi Kendrick signed up to receive email updates on these advocacy
efforts but has not received any updates yet. She agreed to reach out to her advocacy contact
for updated information.
Cara Cole attended sessions on building codes, navigating National Park Service (NPS) grant
opportunities, and visitorship in historic buildings. She stated that the building code session
provided many good resources and there was discussion of “permissive codes” that only apply if
they are adopted locally. Cara Cole will summarize her notes from the building code session
once she receives the slides from the presentation. HPC may want to meet with George Shaw,
Planning & Zoning, to discuss Tybee’s adoption of these codes, particularly as related to city-
owned historic properties.
Cassidi Kendrick obtained information sheets on the different types of NPS grants and will make
copies for HPC members. Holly Grell-Lawe commented that Sarah Jones may be interested in
the information from the conference session on visitorship.
Holly Grell-Lawe reminded the members that HPC needs to keep on eye out for upcoming
training opportunities. As a Certified Local Government (CLG), HPC members are required to
attend a certain number of continuing ed training hours/courses during a 2-3 year period.
Permit Reviews
304 2nd Avenue (built 1935)—Permit application to enclose porch to make closet. House had
been moved and renovated about 12 years ago. Received 10/9/23. Recommended approval
10/11/23.
6 TS Chu Terrace (built 1920)—Multiple permit applications for work that was already started.
Adding bedrooms in attic/loft; moving interior walls. Property owner “back-tracking” the permit
applications for work already begun. Holly Grell-Lawe stated that HPC does not rubber-stamp
back-tracked permit applications. Received 10/13/23. Acknowledged on 10/27/23.
3 Jones Avenue (built 1898)—Permit application to repair existing foundation and alterations to
1st and 2nd levels within existing footprint. Received 10/16/23. Recommended approval 11/3/23.
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10 14th Street (built 1940)—No permit required. Changing vinyl siding to hardy board. Received
10/17/23. Acknowledged 10/27/23.
21 Pulaski Street (Battery Backus)—Building six sections of retaining wall, 3 feet high. This
permit is still under review by HPC. The proposed work is very concerning as it will make
Battery Backus unrecognizable as a part of Tybee’s Endicott Period battery emplacements. The
HPC Advisor, Sarah Jones is also highly concerned. Holly Grell-Lawe stated that the proposed
work warrants a letter to the property owner that provides historical information about Battery
Backus. Holly Grell-Lawe will draft a letter to the owners and have it reviewed by the HPC
Advisor for historical accuracy and copy the HPC members. It is assumed (but not confirmed)
that the proposed retaining wall was approved by the Planning Commission. If so, it may be
useful to communicate with members of the Planning Commission about the implications for
Tybee history of some of their decisions. Holly Grell-Lawe will determine if there is a Planning
Commission meeting packet that addressed this proposed work.
Adjournment
The meeting adjourned at 7:19pm with unanimous approval upon motion by Cara Cole and
seconded by Mary Anne Butler.
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Agenda
AGENDA
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
November 13, 2023 at 6:00 PM
Call to Order
Approval of Minutes
2. October 9, 2023 Meeting Minutes
Announcements
3. Tybee/MLK
4. Lazaretto Coalition
Ongoing Business
5. Central Island National Historic District
6. North Campbell Conservation District
7. HPC Vacant Position
New Business
8. HPC January Planning Meeting
9. CAMP Training Debrief
10. State Historic Preservation Conference Debrief & Sunsetting of Georgia Historic Preservation Tax
Incentives
Permit Reviews
11. 304 2nd Avenue
12. 6 TS Chu Terrance
13. 3 Jones Avenue
14. 10 14th Street
15. 21 Pulaski Street
Adjournment
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