Historic Preservation Commission
Regular MeetingTybee Island, GA · December 11, 2023
Minutes
Tybee Island
HISTORIC PESERVATION COMMISSON
Meeting Minutes
Date & Time: December 11, 2023, 6:00 pm
Present: Holly Grell-Lawe (Chair), Marty Harrell, Mary Anne Butler, Cara Cole, Cassidi Kendrick
Absent: Mike Goldberg, Spec Hosti
Observers: Tony Ploughe (City Councilman-Elect), Pat Leiby (Tybee/MLK), Jackie Boling
(Former HPC Intern), Dawn Shay (Forever Tybee)
Location: Burke Day Public Safety Building, Conference Building, 78 Van Horne Ave
Call to Order
The meeting was called to order at 6:00pm. A quorum was present.
With the intent to increase community and local government awareness of HPC and its roles
and responsibilities, Holly Grell-Lawe stated that as part of opening HPC meetings she will
provide a brief overview of HPC.
Recognizing that the historical and cultural heritage of Tybee Island is among its most valued
and important assets and that preservation of this heritage is essential, the City of Tybee Island
established the City’s Historic Preservation Commission (HPC) to provide for the designation,
protection, preservation and rehabilitation of historic properties and historic districts and to
participate in federal and state programs to do the same. Under the City’s Historic Preservation
Ordinance, the HPC is part of the planning functions of the city. The responsibilities of HPC
include, in part, to prepare and maintain an inventory of properties with the potential to be
designated as historic, make recommendations to City Council on historic designations and
guidelines, conduct educational programs, make investigations and studies, seek federal, state
and private funds for historic preservation, initiate historic markers, review and comment on
nominations to the National Register of Historic Places, and review and make recommendations
on building permit applications for structures 50 years and older.
Approval of Minutes
The minutes of the November 13, 2023 meeting were unanimously approved upon motion by
Mary Anne Butler and seconded by Cara Cole.
Announcements
Tybee/MLK
Pat Leiby reported that there will be a Tybee/MLK program honoring Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
on January 13, 2024 starting at 3:00pm at the Post Theater. Reverend Sue Jackson will be the
MC. Prior to the program, there will be a “Parade in Place” at 2:00pm in front of the Post
Theater. The event will include posthumous recognition of Walter Parker and Dr. Donna Allen
Goggins. Everyone is invited. The event is free but please register through the Post Theater
ahead of the event.
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Signs for the Black History Trail have been printed. They are waiting on DPW to install the signs
at the different sites. A dedication and celebration will take place once the signs are installed.
Everyone will be invited.
Lazaretto Coalition
No update was available.
HPC Chair
Holly Grell-Lawe reminded the members to calendar all the 2024 HPC meeting dates, including
the February 3rd HPC Annual Planning Meeting which will be held at the Guardhouse from
10am-2:15pm. Like last year, at some point after lunchtime, non-HPC members, members of
the public, observers, etc. can leave the meeting if they want. The last part of that meeting will
be administrative.
Members were also reminded to find their training certificates and make sure that Cassidi
Kendrick has copies of them. Those records need to be available for the next Certified Local
Government (CLG) evaluation.
Holly Grell-Lawe requested that HPC’s Promotion & Education Committee meet before the
February 3rd Annual Planning Meeting and make arrangements to order and purchase the
historic preservation banner (decided on last summer) and to decide on the size of the Preserve
Historic Tybee signs and how they are to be used. The committee will bring this information to
the HPC’s Annual Planning Meeting.
Holly Grell-Lawe then recognized Marty Harrell for her service to HPC over 2 (+) terms as an
HPC member. Her 2nd term is now ending. We have appreciated her participation, contributions
and viewpoints in our discussions. On behalf of the HPC members and City Staff, a Certificate of
Appreciation was given to Marty Harrell for her service. It was recognized that serving 2 terms
provided important continuity to the HPC and the perspective brought forward by Marty Harrell
was important and needed in HPC discussions. Marty Harrell thanked the group and stated that
she had benefited from her participation on HPC.
Ongoing Business
City Hall Renovation
Cassidi Kendrick stated that city staff is supposed to be moving back into City Hall in early
January. Once everyone has moved back in and is situated, it is intended that there will be a
grand reopening/ribbon-cutting event. No date set for that yet. Holly Grell-Lawe indicated that
when Cassidi Kendrick had told her this news, she emailed Sarah Jones, Spec Hosti and Cassidi
Kendrick and reminded them that when HPC had the tour of city hall renovations last spring
that the architect had agreed to provide copies of all documentation (blueprints, plans, change
orders, bills of materials, etc.), whether hardcopy or electronic, to the Tybee Island Historical
Society (TIHS). Holly Grell-Lawe believes the architect will also leave copies with the city but
being unfamiliar with record keeping at City Hall, we asked that it also be provided to TIHS.
TIHS has a new archives building and with their commitment to preserving Tybee history, that
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information will be retained over time. That is important because City Hall is a National Historic
Register-listed building and we want to be able for historical purposes to back-in to the changes
that were made during the renovation. Holly Grell-Lawe is relying on Cassidi Kendrick and Spec
Hosti (current City Council Liaison to HPC) to follow through on this.
Central Island Historic District Update
Bob Ciucevich’s December update on the Central Island National Historic District application was
emailed to HPC members. Holly Grell-Lawe summarized his update as follows. Mr. Ciucevich is
editing the application at this point, making a few tweaks to the statement of significance and
adding a few architectural sections. He is also getting the support documentation together,
mainly maps of the proposed district. He agrees that adding a reference to the Raised Tybee
Cottages being placed on the Georgia Trust for Historic Preservation’s “Places in Peril” List in
2007 might be a good idea. He plans an adding the African American context but will likely wait
until the second draft. (We discussed this before as the “architecture of segregation.”) He does
not want the reviewers to get too bogged down with that while we already have enough
information on historical significance of the proposed district. We do not have a lot of
documentation on the African American context as it relates to Tybee and the Raised Tybee
Cottage. Once SHPO (State Historic Preservation Office) confirms we are on the right track with
the proposed boundaries and significance, he’ll present that additional context, which he
believes is compelling and singular. He plans to submit the application after the first of the year
(2024). This is a bit disappointing as we were hoping that the application would be submitted
by the end of September, but Holly Grell-Lawe and Cassidi Kendrick will follow up with Bob to
make sure that soon after New Year’s, the application is moved forward.
Holly Grell-Lawe noted again that this is a lengthy process. SHPO will review the application
within 60 days of submission and send it back with feedback. The submission will put pressure
on HPC to develop its information outreach campaign and notice to City Council about this
application submission, what it is, what it involves, and the value of having a National Historic
District. This is a topic that will be tackled in our February 3rd Annual Planning Meeting.
HPC Vacant Position
Consideration of the appointment of Marna Lewin to the HPC is Item #4 on the City Council
Meeting Agenda for Thursday, December 14, 2023. Marna Lewin was the only applicant and
HPC expects that she will be approved. Ms. Lewin was unable to attend tonight’s meeting as an
observer, but it is expected she will start attending HPC meetings in January 2024.
New Business
2024 CLG Grant Application
Holly Grell-Lawe stated that the Georgia Department of Community Affairs (DC) opened up the
2024 CLG Grant Application Period on the first Friday of December (2023). HPC will be
preparing and submitting a grant application proposal that will be due on February 1, 2024.
There are two kinds of projects that can be proposed under this grant program. One is a pre-
development/development project and the other is a survey/planning project. HPC is proposing
a survey/planning project. This is a lot of work with a short turnaround. Holly Grell-Lawe and
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Cassidi Kendrick, with input and support from HPC Advisor Sarah Jones, will be preparing the
proposal which is for a study of the potential for a local historic district within the Fort Screven
National Historic District and the North Campbell neighborhood. Letters of support must
accompany the proposal.
CLG grants are reimbursement grants and require a 60/40 cost share. The cost share cannot be
federal funds. We have outreached to historic preservation consultants and contractors to
request cost estimates for the study. CLG historic preservation grant awards run from $1,000 to
$25,000. DCA will hold back 25% of the grant funds until the final product has been completed
and is reviewed and approved by DCA. The grant application is online. It does allow for
uploading documents. HPC will need a letter of support from the Mayor and City Council and
will need to communicate the financial requirements of the proposed project to City Council.
Variance: Requesting to move and keep historic building in setback – 5 7th Street –
40005 20009 – Zone R-2 Brent Watts
Prior to the meeting, HPC members were asked to view this segment of the video of the
11/20/2023 Planning Commission meeting. Holly Grell-Lawe stated that this variance is Item
#10 on the City Council Meeting Agenda for December 14, 2023. This is a request for a
variance for a set-back of 12 feet instead of the required 20 feet for a Raised Tybee Cottage
(the Espy/Eagan RTC) that will be moved within its existing lot located at 5 7th Street. The
petitioner is Brent Watts who has done a good bit of historic preservation work on Tybee using
historic preservation tax incentives, including the Barracks, the Bowling Alley and one other
historic house. Holly Grell-Lawe does not know if the tax incentives Mr. Watts was awarded for
those properties were federal or Georgia tax incentives; however, those projects were done to
meet the US Department of the Interior’s Standards for the Rehabilitation of Historic Properties.
The cottage is to be moved closer to the beach. The live oaks on the East side of the property
will be retained. The property is to be his family’s beach house, not an STR. The reason for the
variance is that he would like to be able to obtain historic preservation tax incentives for
restoration of the cottage. Mr. Watts and his historic preservation consultant Sara Ward have
been talking to SHPO at DCA about the project. It’s Holly Grell-Lawe’s understanding that SHPO
is okay with moving the cottage within the lot and retaining the live oaks, but they are
requesting that the cottage not be set-back 20 feet as current code requires. A 20 feet set-back
would mean loss of integrity of setting for the cottage and loss of integrity of development from
the street side. Integrity of setting is important and among the criteria for tax incentive
projects.
The City of Tybee, in many of its documents including its Comprehensive Plan and forms filled
out for the Planning Commission, commits to preserving historic properties whenever possible.
The Planning Commission voted YES on the variance and now it is going to City Council.
Holly Grell-Lawe proposed that HPC send a letter of support for the variance to the Mayor and
members of City Council. She noted that the Espy/Eagan RTC is a contributing historic building
within the proposed Central Island National Historic District.
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Cara Cole inquired what the motivation is for moving the cottage within the lot. Holly Grell-Lawe
responded that the apparent issue was flooding on the first floor in the past and moving the
cottage closer to the beach is higher ground than where the cottage now sits. For additional
information, members were referred to the City Council Meeting Packet for 12/14/2023 and the
(Item #10) letter of explanation and support for the variance from Sara Ward, the historic
preservation consultant working with Mr. Watts.
There was a further discussion initiated by Cara Cole about whether the variance, once granted,
stayed with the property—could the property be sold and a new buyer tear down the cottage
and do a new build, could they use the 12 feet set-back variance. A definitive answer was not
available. Holly Grell-Lawe speculated that in that situation of a tear down and new build, the
current 20 feet set-back requirement would likely need to be met.
HPC members present unanimously approved a motion by Marty Harrell and seconded by Mary
Anne Butler to send an email to Mayor and City Council members in support of the set-back
variance requested by Brent Watts for 5 7th Street, Item #10 on the 12/14/2023 City Council
Meeting Agenda. Holly Grell-Lawe will prepare and send the email. Marty Harrell agreed to read
the HPC email of support during the Public Hearing for the variance at the City Council meeting
on 12/14/2023.
Marty Harrell was advised that she will also be recognized for her service to HPC at the City
Council Meeting on 12/14/2023.
Permit Reviews
There were no new permits to review. Holly Grell-Lawe summarized the action that was taken
on the 21 Pulaski Street (Battery Backus) permit application that was discussed in last month’s
HPC meeting. This permit application was for building six sections of retaining wall, 3 feet high
on the street side of the property. The permit application was received from Lisa Schaaf on
11/1/2023 and HPC responded on 11/21/2023, which was within the 15 business days allowed
under the Historic Preservation Ordinance. In the response to Lisa Schaaf HPC did not
recommend approval of the permit application on the sole grounds of historic preservation. The
installation of a retaining wall in front of Battery Backus makes it unrecognizable as a part of
the Endicott Era coastal defense emplacements on Tybee Island. Holly Grell-Lawe send an email
(copied to HPC members and city staff) to the property owners, Mr. and Mrs. Moravec, asking
them to reconsider installation of the retaining wall and providing historical background on
Endicott Era US coastal defense fortifications and Battery Backus.
Adjournment
The meeting adjourned at 6:58pm with unanimous approval upon motion by Cara Cole and
seconded by Mary Anne Butler.
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Agenda
AGENDA
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
December 11, 2023 at 6:00 PM
Call to Order
Approval of Minutes
1. November 13, 2023 Meeting Minutes
Announcements
2. Tybee/MLK
3. Lazaretto Coalition
4. HPC Chair
Ongoing Business
5. City Hall Renovation
6. Central Island National Historic District Application
7. HPC Vacant Position
New Business
8. 2024 CLG Grant Application
9. Variance: Requesting to move and keep Historic building in setback- 5 7th Street- 40005
20009 – Zone R-2- Brent Watts
Permit Reviews
10. 21 Pulaski Street
Adjournment
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